From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Fri May 2 09:49:34 2008 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (Tex Allen) Date: Fri May 2 11:29:54 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] For All We Know In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The whole Antioch closedown crisis isn't about money...never was. It's about power and ideas Antioch College clung too long after other "major colleges" joined the right wing's move to turn higher ed into Officer Candidate School for big biz and big govt. (handmaiden of big biz0. Critical thinkers are NOT wanted in the junior officer ranks of monster biz/govt. The whole point of an Antioch education always was (still was til it closed) to create critical thinkers by bombarding kids with varied experiences and ideas and challenging them to run with the ideas. Higher ed in classical times was ALSO about this....in those times, higher ed was reserved for the ownership class, and critical thinking and higher culture was a vital part of their lives and purposes. When higher ed became "democratized" big time starting in the 60's with govt. invasion of higher ed schools in a variety of disasterous ways, the entire mission and structure of higher ed. changed. Antioch, however, didn't change. So....it got its throat slit by agents of the big money establishment who tunneled in via the Trustee route where big money is ALWAYS welcome and became a requirement for Trustee membership/ appointment. Assassins....big money guys who slit Antioch's throat after becoming rich due to...getting an Antioch education when they were kids, then using it as a foundation for getting rich...."Winning victories for humanity?"...not Art Zucker and Co.! Phone Tex Allen directly at (717) 235 - 1982. Pro actor resume at WWW.IMDb.Com, world's largest movie information database! Send mail to: 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361. > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:00:08 -0700> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] For All We Know> From: aadole@roadrunner.com> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> > The sturdy oak may fall to the developer's chain saw, but some of its acorns> (I hope) will scatter and take root. SAVE ANTIOCH COLLEGE.> Art Dole> > > On 4/25/08 7:47 AM, "dl bahr" wrote:> > > > > Dear Friends:> > > > I woke up this morning thinking of Yellow Springs in the spring time and> > thinking of this coming commencement.> > > > As anyone who has contact with me knows, there has been Non-stop Antioch in my> > body, heart and soul since the suspension and closing of Antioch College was> > announced last June. My efforts have been to continue to write and post. Not> > much else I can do at such distance and with such little financial means nor> > social power nor pragmatic bent in life. I have been a leaky sieve letting> > myself be open filetered and brewed up, so that something might be conjured in> > the musings. In part this preoccupation might be a way of coping with a deep> > grief and sorrow in my heart. I do not want Antioch College to be abandoned,> > a campus with only ghosts and fading memory to fill its spaces. These posts> > have helped me keep connected with what I feel. I am grateful and thank> > Alumnichat for the space to indulge.> > > > > > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Get Free (PRODUCT) RED? Emoticons, Winks and Display Pics http://joinred.spaces.live.com?ocid=TXT_HMTG_prodredemoticons_052008 From pas0705 at yahoo.com Fri May 2 09:45:39 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Fri May 2 11:32:21 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Blog entry for Graduation Message-ID: <279753.37749.qm@web63911.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Has an associated photoset http://xiebob.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/last-antioch-college-graduation/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mbrower32 at comcast.net Fri May 2 10:39:42 2008 From: mbrower32 at comcast.net (Michael Brower) Date: Fri May 2 11:35:41 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Is This List Still Alive? Message-ID: <68B3F0B7-9C9B-4EA2-8380-6988834C528A@comcast.net> This is a test message to see if the Alumni Chat list is still working. Is it? From mtc at crocker.com Fri May 2 12:00:30 2008 From: mtc at crocker.com (Marianne Connolly) Date: Fri May 2 12:04:46 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Is This List Still Alive? In-Reply-To: <68B3F0B7-9C9B-4EA2-8380-6988834C528A@comcast.net> Message-ID: I just got your message -- 12 noon on Friday. -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu]On Behalf Of Michael Brower Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:40 AM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Cc: Michael Brower Subject: [Alumni-chat] Is This List Still Alive? This is a test message to see if the Alumni Chat list is still working. Is it? _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From scoulter at antioch-college.edu Fri May 2 13:12:25 2008 From: scoulter at antioch-college.edu (Sandy Coulter) Date: Fri May 2 13:12:32 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Is This List Still Alive? In-Reply-To: <68B3F0B7-9C9B-4EA2-8380-6988834C528A@comcast.net> References: <68B3F0B7-9C9B-4EA2-8380-6988834C528A@comcast.net> Message-ID: It's working - no one really posting. Sandy coulter From matt at baya.net Fri May 2 13:29:40 2008 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Fri May 2 16:07:09 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Is This List Still Alive? In-Reply-To: References: <68B3F0B7-9C9B-4EA2-8380-6988834C528A@comcast.net> Message-ID: No the list was down from 2 PM on 4/30 until this morning. Apparently the University was updating a firewall and forgot this server did mail too. To their credit they fixed it promptly when contacted about it. -Matt On May 2, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Sandy Coulter wrote: > It's working - no one really posting. > > Sandy coulter > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! --- Matthew J. H. Baya 85 Guptill Farm Road, Ellsworth, ME 04605-4109 H: (207) 667-4892 e-mail: matt@baya.net web: http://matt.baya.net/ From matt at baya.net Fri May 2 13:24:17 2008 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Fri May 2 16:07:12 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Mailing list was down for a day References: Message-ID: <3030E244-E8A6-42E3-BD3C-4BDCC648732B@baya.net> Apparently this list's stoppage was an accident during a firewall upgrade by the university. Still demonstrates how easy it would be for us to lose this and other lists on this server. I encourage everyone here to join the saveantioch list, perhaps in digest mode if you don't want too much mail. http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org/ If nothing else please make sure the folks at CRF have your up to date contact information. (Actually just make sure you vote for the AB candidates and I'm sure the information you provide there will be added to the CRF database. http://antiochians.org/election/ -Matt From matt at baya.net Fri May 2 11:40:50 2008 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Fri May 2 16:07:13 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Mailing lists on w3.antioch.edu terminated? References: Message-ID: <79E79432-8587-4A8B-AF6C-CC4EBFD5B060@baya.net> Apparently this list's stoppage was an accident. Still demonstrates how easy it would be for us to lose this and other lists on this server. I encourage everyone here to join the saveantioch list, perhaps in digest mode if you don't want too much mail. http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org/ If nothing else please make sure the folks at CRF have your up to date contact information. (Actually just make sure you vote for the AB candidates and I'm sure the information you provide there will be added to the CRF database. http://antiochians.org/election/ -Matt Begin forwarded message: > From: "Bruce A. Friend" > Date: May 2, 2008 11:31:16 AM EDT > To: "Matthew Baya" > Cc: "Lynda Sirk" > Subject: Re: Mailing lists on w3.antioch.edu terminated? > > Matt, > > Sorry about that. We just had a major firewall upgrade here and I > missed the SMTP rule for w3.antioch.edu. I have added it in so give > it a try now. > > Bruce A. Friend > Network Manager > Antioch University > 900 Dayton St. > Yellow Springs, OH 45387 > 937.769.1834 > bfriend@antioch.edu > > > Matthew Baya writes: > Lynda / Bruce- It appears the mailing lists on the server > w3.antioch.edu have ceased working, including the fairly popular > alumni-chat list. I'm not sure if this is intentional or not so I > figured I'd ask if this is a service that is being terminated or if > it's just down by accident (perhaps that server needs a reboot?). > > The Boston area alumni list is also affected by this shutdown and if > this is permanent and if this is possible it would be great to get the > list of members off that list so I can set them up with a list on the > antiochians.org list. > > If the lists are officially being terminated that's certainly within > your right, I was just hoping for a confirmation about it. > > Thank you for your time. > > -Matt > --- > Matthew J. H. Baya > 85 Guptill Farm Road, Ellsworth, ME 04605-4109 > H: (207) 667-4892 > e-mail: matt@baya.net web: http://matt.baya.net/ > > --- Matthew J. H. Baya 85 Guptill Farm Road, Ellsworth, ME 04605-4109 H: (207) 667-4892 e-mail: matt@baya.net web: http://matt.baya.net/ From matt at baya.net Fri May 2 00:05:17 2008 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Fri May 2 16:07:14 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] This list Message-ID: is it me or is this list been really quiet for about 34 hours? Have we been Sirked? --- Matthew J. H. Baya 85 Guptill Farm Road, Ellsworth, ME 04605-4109 H: (207) 667-4892 e-mail: matt@baya.net web: http://matt.baya.net/ From matt at baya.net Fri May 2 16:10:06 2008 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Fri May 2 16:10:09 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] This list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89736DE5-FD2E-43E3-8113-02ABAB83A675@baya.net> Note - This not was sent at the time below (May 2, 2008, at 12:05 AM), I think there are still some mail quirks being worked out with the firewall -Matt On May 2, 2008, at 12:05 AM, Matthew Baya wrote: > is it me or is this list been really quiet for about 34 hours? Have > we been Sirked? > --- > Matthew J. H. Baya > 85 Guptill Farm Road, Ellsworth, ME 04605-4109 > H: (207) 667-4892 > e-mail: matt@baya.net web: http://matt.baya.net/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From christian.feuerstein at gmail.com Fri May 2 17:24:10 2008 From: christian.feuerstein at gmail.com (Christian Feuerstein) Date: Fri May 2 17:24:18 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Reminder...forums are also available Message-ID: <45e83e2c0805021424y5cdb5618x89e7af1caa376094@mail.gmail.com> You know, folks, the forums on antiochians.org are open, not subject to the University server's outtage, and can be accessed on demand, for those of you who are already drowning in 76 thousand tons of email. (approximate) forum.antiochians.org Come on in, the water's fine... From kporta at mac.com Sat May 3 10:01:41 2008 From: kporta at mac.com (Karen Porta) Date: Sat May 3 10:01:44 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re alumni Message-ID: <7BE973D2-0A3B-4392-9F2C-98E8147CB1AC@mac.com> Please send list. From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Sat May 3 14:03:56 2008 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (Tex Allen) Date: Sat May 3 14:03:58 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re alumni In-Reply-To: <7BE973D2-0A3B-4392-9F2C-98E8147CB1AC@mac.com> References: <7BE973D2-0A3B-4392-9F2C-98E8147CB1AC@mac.com> Message-ID: May 3, 08 Hi from Tex (aka Yazz aka David) Allen, Antioch alumus (Email me at TexAllen@Hotmail.Com): I'm getting email messages from Antioch alumni I've been in touch with during the past year who write now about attending their "last Antioch Non-Stop meeting" at various cities around the USA. The good ship "Antioch Non-Stop" is grinding to a halt. The networking, cyberspace and other communications between affronted Antioch alumni and others trying to stop the Antioch College closedown will be over soon, almost completely....it certainly won't continue with the numbers and passion seen during the past year before the closedown became a "done deal"....now the case, sadly. Those of us who wanted Antioch to remain open "non-stop" and have been part of the networking during the past year are now left with the history of what happened. The obvious bad guys are the Antioch University Board Of Trustees, who slit Antioch's throat. These people should be despised...few disagree with that. It's also important, I think, to despise the leaders who faced down the Trustees and lost the battle. They need to be called to account for their colossal failure of vision, strategy, tactics, and their willingness to treat the Trustees with a respect the Trustees did not and do not ever deserve. Let's not forget who closed Antioch College down....and equally, let's not forget who failed to stop them after claiming leadership in the battle of opposition, then led us all to defeat. Let's not honor the loser activists, and most especially, if and when the crusade to keep Antioch College alive (revived) begins again, let us refuse the leadership of those who lost the battle just ended. Let's not repeat the mistake of letting losers get power, and risking being led to loss once again. These people do not deserve honor, and any accurate history of the closedown of Antioch College should state that emphatically. Of course, I'm saddened by how the whole thing has played out. But I'm not surprised. The bad guys (the Trustees) had the upper hand from the start, and were never seriously challenged. The people who got leadership of "the opposition" played by the Trustees rules and assumptions ("Antioch needs more money") and could always be vanquished by the Trustees refusing raised money because "it's not enough." It was a no win game from the start (June 12, 2007...the date the Trustees dropped the bomb). The only thing that would have worked was a head on attack on the Trustees, a legal challenge to their status as people required by law to hold Antioch "in Trust" and guide it responsibly. Legal proof and adjudication was (still is) needed that the Trustees were (and are) irresponsible, and therefore not legally engaging in doing what's best for Antioch. That could have been done, but it would have meant NOT "playing nice" with the Trustees from the start...declaring them bad guys from the start, and engaging in an Unconditional war! The war could have been won, but it never happened...wimpy Pacifists got control of the Opposition, and they lost (as Pacifists engaged against stalwart militants always do!). Sincerely, Tex (aka Yazz, aka David) Allen, Antioch College Alumnus Phone Tex Allen directly at (717) 235 - 1982. Pro actor resume at WWW.IMDb.Com, world's largest movie information database! Send mail to: 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361. > From: kporta@mac.com> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:01:41 -0400> Subject: [Alumni-chat] re alumni> > Please send list.> _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Get Free (PRODUCT) RED? Emoticons, Winks and Display Pics. http://joinred.spaces.live.com?ocid=TXT_HMTG_prodredemoticons_052008 From marnoldtk at yahoo.com Sat May 3 17:22:15 2008 From: marnoldtk at yahoo.com (Matthew Arnold) Date: Sat May 3 17:22:23 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re alumni Message-ID: <973153.32264.qm@web53408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You're so right, Eeyore, AKA Tex, AKA David Yazz Allen, if we had only rallied behind you instead, uh... what are you talking about? The boards over at Antiochians.org are positively thrumming with Non-Stop Antioch. Maybe put away the violin and check it out? ----- Original Message ---- From: Tex Allen To: Alumni Chat List Sent: Saturday, May 3, 2008 2:03:56 PM Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] re alumni May 3, 08 Hi from Tex (aka Yazz aka David) Allen, Antioch alumus (Email me at TexAllen@Hotmail.Com): I'm getting email messages from Antioch alumni I've been in touch with during the past year who write now about attending their "last Antioch Non-Stop meeting" at various cities around the USA. The good ship "Antioch Non-Stop" is grinding to a halt. The networking, cyberspace and other communications between affronted Antioch alumni and others trying to stop the Antioch College closedown will be over soon, almost completely....it certainly won't continue with the numbers and passion seen during the past year before the closedown became a "done deal"....now the case, sadly. Those of us who wanted Antioch to remain open "non-stop" and have been part of the networking during the past year are now left with the history of what happened. The obvious bad guys are the Antioch University Board Of Trustees, who slit Antioch's throat. These people should be despised...few disagree with that. It's also important, I think, to despise the leaders who faced down the Trustees and lost the battle. They need to be called to account for their colossal failure of vision, strategy, tactics, and their willingness to treat the Trustees with a respect the Trustees did not and do not ever deserve. Let's not forget who closed Antioch College down....and equally, let's not forget who failed to stop them after claiming leadership in the battle of opposition, then led us all to defeat. Let's not honor the loser activists, and most especially, if and when the crusade to keep Antioch College alive (revived) begins again, let us refuse the leadership of those who lost the battle just ended. Let's not repeat the mistake of letting losers get power, and risking being led to loss once again. These people do not deserve honor, and any accurate history of the closedown of Antioch College should state that emphatically. Of course, I'm saddened by how the whole thing has played out. But I'm not surprised. The bad guys (the Trustees) had the upper hand from the start, and were never seriously challenged. The people who got leadership of "the opposition" played by the Trustees rules and assumptions ("Antioch needs more money") and could always be vanquished by the Trustees refusing raised money because "it's not enough." It was a no win game from the start (June 12, 2007...the date the Trustees dropped the bomb). The only thing that would have worked was a head on attack on the Trustees, a legal challenge to their status as people required by law to hold Antioch "in Trust" and guide it responsibly. Legal proof and adjudication was (still is) needed that the Trustees were (and are) irresponsible, and therefore not legally engaging in doing what's best for Antioch. That could have been done, but it would have meant NOT "playing nice" with the Trustees from the start...declaring them bad guys from the start, and engaging in an Unconditional war! The war could have been won, but it never happened...wimpy Pacifists got control of the Opposition, and they lost (as Pacifists engaged against stalwart militants always do!). Sincerely, Tex (aka Yazz, aka David) Allen, Antioch College Alumnus Phone Tex Allen directly at (717) 235 - 1982. Pro actor resume at WWW.IMDb.Com, world's largest movie information database! Send mail to: 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361. > From: kporta@mac.com> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:01:41 -0400> Subject: [Alumni-chat] re alumni> > Please send list.> _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Get Free (PRODUCT) RED? Emoticons, Winks and Display Pics. http://joinred.spaces.live.com?ocid=TXT_HMTG_prodredemoticons_052008_______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From barbarast at smhaohio.org Mon May 5 08:24:27 2008 From: barbarast at smhaohio.org (Barbara Stewart) Date: Mon May 5 08:24:25 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the lazt graduate's work Message-ID: <3C5B161C2C8E164CB25CD4E40ED51E61BD84FB@servera.smhaohio.local> Duffy, Paul's film is fabulous and I saw a pix of the bronze bust and it is remarkable, too. The world will be hearing from these Antioch graduates, I'm sure. Thanks for sending this. Barbara A. Stewart Executive Director Springfield Metropolitan Housing Authority 101 West High Street Springfield, Ohio 45502 (937) 325-7331 Office (937) 325-2378 Fax barbarast@smhaohio.org -----Original Message----- From: Steven Duffy [mailto:duffy@antioch-college.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:34 AM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: [Alumni-chat] the lazt graduate's work At the Big Olive...or the OK Library ..where someone has drawn a pink chalk heart outside with " we will be OK" underneath it...(is that double entendre?) we have just watched Paul Zink's Zenior project piece...it is purely Paul and purely poetic...and after watching it we are trying not to be faklempt..... Paul Zink is our "lazt?" graduate...perhaps? and zon of a truztee.... here is the link...you will have to provide your own popcorn and kleenex. Paul is wonderfully creative and resourceful and did some rolling shots on a skateboard and even climbed a giant tree on front campus at the crack of dawn to get the perfect paulish and poetic view of the towers.. try this link....... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1931941570034192232 much love to all and perhaps you will see yourself or friends during this 18 minute piece....hey Mr. Spalt!!! Sundance film festival anyone? and be sure to forward this link to peers and other peeps... xoxox please think about reunion.....the company of your peers is bound to be uplifting check antiochians.org for reunion details and alumni board ballot info (soon) or call the College Revival Office 716 Xenia Avenue 937 767-2341 Duffy '77 (and all the yearz since) People like Paul and Maclean, a bronze sculptor who did a bust of Coretta Scott King are well...wonderful..... From duffy at antioch-college.edu Mon May 5 09:56:21 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Mon May 5 09:56:28 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Photos of Graduation posted! Message-ID: Also good stats to remember: College Revival Fund, Inc. 716 Xenia Avenue, Yelllow Springs, OH 45387Telephone 937 767-2341 fax 767-2376 Have you voted for your alumni board directors? Have you thought about registering for reunion? Duffy ----- Original Message ----- Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:12:11 AM Pulse From: Dennie Eagleson Subject: Photos of Graduation posted! To: Announcements Pulse Dear Community, There are photographs from graduation posted at [ http://gallery.antiochians.org/v/byDennie/ ]http://gallery.antiochians.org/v/byDennie/ Enjoy! Dennie From jdavid at coldren.net Mon May 5 10:18:51 2008 From: jdavid at coldren.net (J. David Coldren) Date: Mon May 5 10:19:05 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Photos of Graduation posted! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1a3b01c8aeba$f2071680$d6154380$@net> So Duffy, This reunion thing. I've found accessible accommodations and made reservations, but is anybody else going to show up? And is to be an Irish wake (I'll bring whiskey) or a baby shower (I'll bring a checkbook)? And as for registering, with whom does one register? The actual J. David Coldren '65 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Steven Duffy Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:56 AM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Photos of Graduation posted! Also good stats to remember: College Revival Fund, Inc. 716 Xenia Avenue, Yelllow Springs, OH 45387Telephone 937 767-2341 fax 767-2376 Have you voted for your alumni board directors? Have you thought about registering for reunion? Duffy ioch-College.edu today! From duffy at antioch-college.edu Mon May 5 10:55:14 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Mon May 5 10:55:21 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Photos of Graduation posted! In-Reply-To: <1a3b01c8aeba$f2071680$d6154380$@net> References: <,> <1a3b01c8aeba$f2071680$d6154380$@net> Message-ID: Some folks are anticipating another fairly large turnout? But ya nevah know.... Why not call the Revival Folks and also make sure you touch base with some old theater types.. I heard that you used to hang out with Otrabanda.. Wouldja need Louise Smith and John Fleming's phone number or Tony Dallas' ? Duffy From dlbahr at hotmail.com Mon May 5 11:32:55 2008 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Mon May 5 11:32:57 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the lazt graduate's work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Duffy & all: I want to add my chime in with a big thank you for posting this link. It is the first piece I have seen where the story on the ground is being told. It helps "out here" in cyberland to see these images and to see and hear the story being framed by a 2008 senior. What a great senior project! This is GOOD--the story is being told and documented. We need more of this. We need to tell the story of Antioch College all 154+ years. Paul Zink did a great job and I will circulate this link to all I can think of and will ask them to pass it along to others. May more work come. I am a 46 year old woman--soon to turn 47 I never had a child. If I had a child when I was in my mid twenties they would be in college right now. I feel because I do not have personal offspring I am free in a different way to care for "people" (including children) in a different way. Watching this film I saw "my" kids. We need to fight for not just our memory but also for our future. The past and the present are linked. Listening to that footage of Jim Rose reading Horace Mann's words and feeling him well up--and passing that along to the next generation had such an impact. I am so glad it was so powerfully and sensitively captured by Paul on film. Antioch College was meant for the future. It was meant for a place of learning and the highest ideals of our society. Yesterday, I attended the Minnesota alumni meeting/brunch at Catherine Jordan's home. I had the honor of riding to this with Betty Waldhauer who is alumna from the forties who also lives in Wright Co. Minnesota where I am currently living. May 4th, 2008 was the first real spring day we have had in Minnesota--the trees have barely budded. It was a beautiful day for a drive. Betty is "almost" a direct descendant of Rebecca Pennell. I say almost because Rebecca did not have biological children, however, she raised her sister Eliza's son (Eliza also taught at Antioch College). This son (I think his name was Henry--but there were many names Betty was telling me and I did not have a pen & paper to write)--"Henry" was Betty's great, great grandfather. Rebecca Pennell was the first woman to stand up in a college classroom and teach in the United States of America. She did this at a classroom at Antioch College in Yellow Springs, OH where her uncle and surrogate father, Horace Mann had come to live out the final chapter of a long and illustrous career. Imagine that moving all the way from New England to teach college. I wish I could convey the whole story of what Betty shared with me on our 60 minute drive home to Wright County. Rebecca was the neice of Horace Mann who was a father figure to her. I learned much about Horace Mann, Rebecca Pennell, Betty and Jack Waldhauer (who met, graduated, and married at Antioch College) and how they all came to be in Minnesota. There are many such family stories entwined to Yellow Springs and to Antioch College. There were ample such stories being shared yesterday at our alumni gathering. It is my hope that every last one of them is told and written down and passed along to the future. There is something so inspiring to me when a bunch of Antiochians fill a room. I don't want to be too mystical about it because I am sure it happens for many creative, bright alumni of other colleges when they congregrate...but none of them had the good fortune to be an Antiochian and come to a place called Yellow Springs. Are we lucky or what? I woke up this morning wondering again, who writes contemporary opera? I would like to find someone who does this and make a pitch. Seriously, I can imagine an opera called "Saving Antioch"--Perhaps a more American genre of a Broadway musical would be appropriate. Can anyone else hear the lyrics? Imagine the staging? I can imagine it at the Met. I can imagine it on Broadway. I am not just being tongue and cheek. This story of the suspension and closing of Antioch College needs art as much as it needs documentaries and journalism. We need to tell the story. We need to sing the story. We need to write the story. We need to stage the story of Antioch College. It is a story worth telling...worth preserving...worth mirroring...worth keeping alive. Art keeps remembering. Who was it that said that art is the best revenge? Think how long those operas have lasted..think how those show tunes stick. This story of the death of a national treasure of American education with a story as long as Antioch's needs to be told. It has the American spirit in its very marrow. It is not just about being different...it is a classic place full of character, plot, and family stories which need to be remembered. Think of all the great Shakespeare staged at Antioch College. We need a new wave of art in America that tells the story. I am biased but I sincerely believe that there is an American tale, an Antioch tale to be told across the generations. Thank you to Paul Zink class of 2008 for "I Beseech You." Thank you Duffy for passing the link to alumnichat. Thank you Betty Waldhauer for taking the time to tell me a piece of her story and Rebecca's story. Let's keeping passing it on! NON-STOP ANTIOCH! Lesley A. Pownall Bahr '83 > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:34:17 -0400 > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > From: duffy@antioch-college.edu > Subject: [Alumni-chat] the lazt graduate's work > > At the Big Olive...or the OK Library ..where someone has drawn a pink > chalk heart outside with " we will be OK" underneath it...(is that double > entendre?) > we have just watched Paul Zink's Zenior project piece...it is purely Paul > and purely poetic...and after watching it we are trying not to be > faklempt..... > > Paul Zink is our "lazt?" graduate...perhaps? and zon of a truztee.... > > here is the link...you will have to provide your own popcorn and kleenex. > > Paul is wonderfully creative and resourceful and did some rolling shots on > a skateboard and even climbed a giant tree on front campus at the crack of > dawn to get the > perfect paulish and poetic view of the towers.. > > try this link....... > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1931941570034192232 > > much love to all and perhaps you will see yourself or friends during this > 18 minute piece....hey Mr. Spalt!!! > > Sundance film festival anyone? > > and be sure to forward this link to peers and other peeps... > > xoxox please think about reunion.....the company of your peers is bound > to be uplifting check antiochians.org for reunion details and alumni > board ballot info (soon) > > or call the College Revival Office 716 Xenia Avenue 937 767-2341 > > Duffy '77 (and all the yearz since) > > People like Paul and Maclean, a bronze sculptor who did a bust of Coretta > Scott King are well...wonderful..... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 From duffy at antioch-college.edu Mon May 5 12:20:58 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Mon May 5 12:21:09 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the lazt graduate's work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Lesley.. maybe you and Mister Bahr might pass through during reunion? Take care. Duffy From duffy at antioch-college.edu Mon May 5 14:16:31 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Mon May 5 14:16:39 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] May walking 101 and Glen wildlife.... Message-ID: Athena..please share with AB friends. Not that folks want to know what the last eleven months has been like for those of us who are the ground but... and of course, many Antiochians are cerebral and depending on your vintage ..not into pop culture.... the metaphor or example that works for me is the original pilot for the TV series STAR TREK.....this was pre-Shatner even... (Jeffrey Hunter) As the pilot episode starts out there is what is left of Captain Pike......and he is being court martialed. All that is left of Capt Pike is from the chest up and he can no longer even talk. There are just blinking lights at the base of that bust...to respond to questions.... He had crashed on some far away planet..and the intelligent life there tried putting him back in one piece...but didn't really understand human anatomy in its totality....they also experimented with him....having the ability to provide him with their versions of alternate reality...so they played virtuality games. In joking with peers here...one co-op professor laughed and said..." I know what the blinking lights are...just what we have been going through all year. The answers are for YES, NO, and MAYBE." So one day last week all college employees received two letters at home. The first saying this is the sixty day countdown to closing and your are being terminated. The other was please try to be patient and hold on to some hope .....from a liason group of the AC3 and the AUB. About 3:40 my phone at the Big Olive rang and it was my other half...who said...I am coming up for a hike. I had actually tried taking a hike the day before but felt anxious and unfocused. So my other half came up and we read the two letters in the library parking lot ....(Yes, No and Maybe?) and since it was an outrageously beautiful day we headed to the Glen (after a brief pit stop at the Non-Stop office at 716 Xenia Ave. ) On the way to the Glen..the campus never looked prettier...crabapple, lilac, dogwoods, redbud, violets and spring beauties and as we were heading by Pennell House (formerly the Infirmary or AASI..depending of your vintage) there was a marvelous cascading Wisteria in full bloom... I would bet that that wisteria has been there for decades. Of course I stuck my nose in there too. Once we went down the Glen steps.....there were may-apples. trilliums, lavender and yellow flowers everywhere. After having had a snowy March and a cool April everything seems to have popped out at once. The canopy above was starting to leave out but was still spring yellow green. I thought...about... well years of Antioch....we headed to the Springs and then the cascades and then to the stagecoach road. Someone must have gotten warm... an abandoned sweatshirt was hanging on a fence post. Lots of watercress below the cacscades, As we got near the eco-camps we saw bunches of elementary school kids sitting in a circle..some were undergoing face painting.....inner city kids...one of whom looked like a member of the blue man group. ......and saw garlic mustards and honeysuckle, ugh those invasive species...and plenty of mushrooms, like Chicken o the woods...and something a friend of mine calls pheastback...because its speckled look is reminiscent of the bird.......... We almost got to the pine forest but headed down the Traveller's spring path back to where the swinging bridge used to be and then crossed the creek on stepping stones and finished up by traversing the Talus slope.... What a commuter I have become!!!!....at the end of the day I have been hitting the freeway when I should have stopped to enjoy the Glen... so wrapped up in everything I forgot to enjoy our giant backyard...... So I guess I took a slightly less than traditional Maywalk....too bad we don't have a leader to take us on one. When I lived in town and was a runner I always ran the Glen, John Bryan and the the Gorge. I used to run around the country roads as well and discovered where Joe Cali lived and once caught him in madras seer-sucker shorts and a white tee-shirt while mowing his lawn. a sight for sore eyes. Joe always chuckled too...he always made references about my running to sweet-water Clifton's..but in reality I think Joe was making some mention to some baseball or basketball player ]who was named sweetwater Clifton .......his sports references always sailed right over my head.. Ocassionally.. since I moved to Dayton (now 22 years) I have still hiked sometimes to get away from the city of Dayton...and once even found a dead body at the base of the Horace Mann statue by the pine forest..on a pretty February Saturday . A person had bicycled all the way from Dayton and shot themselves in the head right under "Be ashamed to die"... I called 911 and wound up being there half the day and the sheriff even swabbed my hands in case they had gunpowder on them. we read his suicide note and teher was 250 in his wallet. A few years later when I was on another hike some vandals had dipped Horace's feet in red paint...sure did give me flashbacks. Another Glen memory is that of a misty moonlight night during the last full moon of summer. many of my friends were YS folks and Wilberforce and CSU students.... Once we all decided to have a full moon picnic in the pine forest.... a boombox, a bottle of wine and thou, eh? I guess that we were the wrong combination of men and women.....white and black. There were six of us...and two of including me had taken a moonlight hike in the Glen.... while we we gone I guess some good ol boys had passed by the group and asked Melvin, a townee, could they hang with us. Melvin..sais something like "Your momma" to them. We had no idea that that conversation had taken place. and just as we were about to crawl into ther sleeping bags and call it a night....we hear a voice from the darkness iun the pineforest say one of the most aweful things I have heard. "We oughta take those niggas ----- and stuff them in those white whores' mouths" Needless to say that was about the last thing I would have expected to hear on a pretty moonlight night. It sort of made my heart pound. But I got up and said "It 's almost Sunday morning, shouldn;'t you be thinking about getting ready to go to church/" By that time the other group realized there were at least six of us instead of four... so, they thought we had guns of something..so after a short calm we packed up and headed back to John Bryan Park road. Melvin, whose mouth had gotten us into that mess... was so frazzled he put his shoes on the wrong feet. The next day we took what was left of that jug of wine and sat on a platform on ther Golf Course ( the platform had been erected during some summer rock concert)...and we sorted out our feelings. At the time the campus had extra security guards hired through CETA? Jimmy Carter grants. All our nerves were extra sensitive..so when those security guards bothered us...we went and complained to Steve Schwerner, who was dean back then. We complained to him of two perceived racist encounters..one in the in pine forest and the other on the Golf course.... I remember Steve saying..."your concerns are not falling on deaf ears" (I didn't know at the time much about Steve at all, oh well)...... Anyhow so much for Glen wildlife ..of all sorts........ Yours from a beautiful and dormant place......... Hey Irwin P.....as I travelled the Talus slope looking at the blue bells hanging from the cliffs I thought about you and yer walkin stick. Don't forget to register for reunion ... Don't forget to vote for your alumni board directors... Don't forget to take time to smell the flowers. After that two hour hike and right before heading to the car there was a large white crab apple near the library in full bloom and smelly. BTW it ws planted for George Crowelll but the dedication sign had rotted and no one has had the energy to replace it. Unfortunately my other half has raging hay fever so was uanable to smell it...and then said after I said get in there are smell this...... :"thanks a lot...now there's bees buzzing around my head:" Take care and take a walk on the wild side. Duffy '77 From aadole at roadrunner.com Mon May 5 18:34:14 2008 From: aadole at roadrunner.com (Art Dole) Date: Mon May 5 15:35:35 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] May walking 101 and Glen wildlife.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/5/08 11:16 AM, "Steven Duffy" wrote: > > Joe always chuckled too...he always made references about my running to > sweet-water Clifton's..but in reality I think Joe was making some mention > to some baseball or basketball player > ]who was named sweetwater Clifton .......his sports references always > sailed right over my head.. > Hey Duffy--I wish I could walk in the Glen again. Sweetwater Clifton brings back another kind of memory. He was tall snowy African American who could swish the basketball in from midcourt. I saw him in Dayton about 1946 when he was a barnstormer, unable to play for the big $$$ because of his skin color. But later the Knicks (I think) opened the door for him. In those years, incidentally, basketball intramurals were big. We formed an all star team and played Wittenberg. Lost by about 100! SAVE ANTIOCH COLLEGE. CALL IT HORACE MANN BUT KEEP THE SPIRIT. Art Dole, '46 From matt at baya.net Wed May 7 17:29:32 2008 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Wed May 7 17:29:38 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Commencement 2008 Videos now available Message-ID: <3E90FD47-6454-42F4-BD5C-FD421A522D4A@baya.net> Video recordings of the 2008 commencement are now available thanks to the generosity of filmmaker (and former faculty member) Steve Bognar. Send him big thanks at bognar@donet.com :) The following videos are available on http://listen.antiochians.org/ Jean Gregorek - http://listen.antiochians.org/2008/05/07/jean_gregorek-antioch-college-commencement-2008-faculty-speaker/ Jimmy Williams - http://listen.antiochians.org/2008/05/07/jimmy-williams-antioch-college-commencement-2008/ Student Speakers/Performers: Micah Canal - http://listen.antiochians.org/2008/05/06/micah-canal-commencement-performance/ Ruthie Scarpino - http://listen.antiochians.org/2008/05/06/ruthie-scarpino-commencement-speech/ Niko Kowell - http://listen.antiochians.org/2008/05/06/niko-kowell-commencement-speech/ Julian Sharp - http://listen.antiochians.org/2008/05/06/julian-sharp-commencement-speech/ Kim-Jenna Jurriaans - http://listen.antiochians.org/2008/05/06/kim-jenna-jurriaans-commencement-speech/ Fela Pierre-Louis - http://listen.antiochians.org/2008/05/06/fela-pierre-louis-commencement-speech/ Chelsea Martens & Levi Cowperthwaite - http://listen.antiochians.org/2008/05/06/chelsea-martens-levi-cowperthwaite-commencement-2008/ Josh Hershfield - http://listen.antiochians.org/2008/05/06/josh-hershfield-commencement-performance/ Closing Speech by Nancy Crow, president of the Antioch College Alumni Association: Nancy Crow - http://listen.antiochians.org/2008/05/07/nancy-crow-antioch-college-commencement-2008/ Spread the word. Link 'em to your blogs, myspace and facebook pages. Share and enjoy -Matt '92 --- Matthew J. H. Baya 85 Guptill Farm Road, Ellsworth, ME 04605-4109 H: (207) 667-4892 e-mail: matt@baya.net web: http://matt.baya.net/ From matt at baya.net Fri May 9 07:48:36 2008 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Fri May 9 07:48:44 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch University Rejects $14.5 million and the Future of Antioch College References: <317179.94929.qm@web53907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0716D736-4CFC-4EA3-A79C-5443A02CE40B@baya.net> Begin forwarded message: From: Brian Springer Date: May 9, 2008 3:27:15 AM EDT To: Antioch College Action Network Chat List Subject: [ACAN] Antioch University Rejects $14.5 million and the Future of Antioch College PRESS RELEASE The Antioch Papers - May 9, 2008 - - http://www.theantiochpapers.org Antioch University Rejects $14.5 million and the Future of Antioch College http://theantiochpapers.org/document/101/antioch-university-rejects-145-million-and-the-future-of-antioch-college On April 28th, the Antioch University Board of Trustees made a historic decision. A majority of the Board voted to approve an offer by the ACCC to replace a number of Board members with people distinguished in higher education, journalism, and business. All were Antioch College grads, and most had served previously on the Antioch University Board of Trustees. They would bring with them their personal financial resources, exemplified by a $14.5 million gift to the University/College, and their commitment to correct the existing Board's fundraising failures. This renewed Board was ready to keep Antioch College open. After 9 months with the historic alma mater's head on the block, the College would be saved. After every other vote since June, Board Chair Art Zucker had asked for everyone to endorse the decision so the Board could speak with one voice. Not this time. After the April 28th vote both parties negotiated a few minor changes to the agreement. The negotiating teams agreed to change 2 (out of a total of 20) trustee memberships on the newly constituted Board. Longtime University/College supporter Lillian Pierson Lovelace was added to the new Board. Another Board position was to be temporarily filled for a 6 week period until the permanent Trustee was available. These changes could have been approved by a simple email; instead Zucker demanded a formal meeting and another vote. Chancellor Toni Murdock used the 10-day window between April 28 and May 8 to produce a series of documents to undermine the original agreement. A new set of attacks on the proposal to reconstitute the Board and save the College was emailed to trustees on May 8. A few hours after receiving these documents the Antioch University Board of Trustees met by phone to vote again on what they had already approved. Some of the College's strongest supporters could not make the call; it was known that at least one supporter was out of the country. Despite its formal decision on April 28 to keep the College open, the Board of Trustees voted again and reversed itself; on May 8 the Board rejected the ACCC plan to save Antioch College. Related Documents for Download at The Antioch Papers 1) Final Proposal - The ACCC proposal that was accepted and then rejected by Antioch University. 2) Accreditation Conversations - Antioch University Chancellor Toni Murdock's recollection of discussions with the North Central Association and the Ohio Board of Regents. 3) Fiduciary Duties - Antioch University's legal reasoning for rejecting the ACCC's $14.5 million gift. 4) Grant Resolution - A donor's decision to withhold funds from Antioch University based on leadership changes and/or institutional performance. 5) ACCC Biographies - Background information on the ACCC. The Antioch Papers theantiochpapers@gmail.com From christian.feuerstein at gmail.com Fri May 9 08:01:35 2008 From: christian.feuerstein at gmail.com (Christian Feuerstein) Date: Fri May 9 08:01:40 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Antioch University Rejects Final Offer to Save Historic College In-Reply-To: <45e83e2c0805090501i36fe3512g4f5858d7122a9b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <45e83e2c0805090458x3af13503r963b21b823e6a4d@mail.gmail.com> <45e83e2c0805090459p278bcd83mdd64b052ca3e9a7d@mail.gmail.com> <45e83e2c0805090500h1a3952e7o42f23bec61af9577@mail.gmail.com> <45e83e2c0805090500r684b053bpb1d27fcdefedff4c@mail.gmail.com> <45e83e2c0805090501i36fe3512g4f5858d7122a9b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45e83e2c0805090501p5c565b78nf6a22f782dc8e334@mail.gmail.com> *ANTIOCH COLLEGE CONTINUATION CORPORATION* ** * * * * *For Immediate Release * Contact: Lyn Chamberlin 978.443.0400 lyn@skyepr.com * * * * *ANTIOCH** UNIVERSITY** REJECTS FINAL OFFER TO SAVE HISTORIC COLLEGE* * * *-- Final Alumni Bid Met All Expressed Demands; Additional $6 Million Offered --* *Yellow Springs**, Ohio?May 9, 2008 -- *The Antioch University Board of Trustees today rejected an offer by a group of major donors and educational leaders to contribute nearly $16 million to keep the doors of Antioch College open. The Antioch College Continuation Corporation, which was formed by prominent alumni to save the 150-year-old campus, had offered the contributions in return for ten seats on the University board. The current trustees have collectively given less than $25,000 in the current fiscal year. The ACCC has been engaged in talks with Antioch University over the past five months to reach an agreement over the fate of the college, which is scheduled to close on June 30. The offer by the group would have enabled the College to continue operating until the details of a separation from the University could be finalized. "It almost defies belief that the trustees could reject this extraordinarily generous offer by a group of major donors," said Eric Bates, co-chair of the ACCC. "We were not only prepared to make an immediate contribution of $9.5 million for Antioch College, we offered to make an additional contribution of $6 million for the direct benefit of the University's five other campuses. This was a win-win opportunity for the entire University, and the trustees squandered it." In addition to its $6 million contribution to the University, the ACCC offered a host of guarantees to protect the other campuses. The key commitments of the proposal included: - Ensuring that the eventual separation of Antioch College would be done in a manner that protects the University's accreditation and financial security; - Ending the annual subsidies each campus currently pays to the College; - Guaranteeing that funds from other campuses would not be used to offset any operating expense or deficits incurred by the College; - Implementing an existing plan to create separate governing boards for each of the campuses; - Creating a new board committee to directly address the needs of each campus; - Initiating an ambitious fundraising campaign to raise an additional $100 million for the College and assist the other Antioch campuses in their fundraising efforts. "We are deeply disappointed that the trustees did not take advantage of this historic opportunity," said Lee Morgan, a director of the ACCC whose grandfather, Arthur Morgan, presided over Antioch's acclaimed rebirth in the 1920s. "Under this agreement, the University would have gained a number of experienced trustees who bring tremendous resources ? not just finances, but expertise and energy ? on behalf of the entire University." To encourage the trustees to accept the ACCC's offer, Morgan had volunteered to work half-time ? for no charge ? to raise money for the College beginning in June. In addition, Frances Degen Horowitz, co-chair of the ACCC and president emerita of the Graduate Center of the City University of New York, had offered to volunteer full-time during the summer to serve as chief transition officer while the College got back on its feet. "This is a sad day not only for Antioch, but for everyone who cares about progressive education in this country," said Horowitz. "This was a remarkably generous and well-intentioned offer by an experienced and supportive group of alumni, seven of whom are former University trustees. Our proposal was not only a brilliant solution to save Antioch College ? it would also have provided Antioch University with critical resources and expertise. We are all at a loss to understand why the University board rejected a plan that would have served both the College and the University so well." At one point toward the end of negotiations, the University suddenly offered to accept the ACCC's earlier offer to pay $12.2 million to immediately separate the College from the University. "This was virtually the same plan the University had rejected only a month earlier, and almost identical to the offer they refused to even consider back in February," Bates noted. "Now, all of their earlier objections had magically vanished. Out of the blue, they were prepared to accept all of our terms, without any of the conditions on securing payments or retaining ownership of WYSO that they had previously insisted were deal breakers. They were also willing to delegate full authority to a completely autonomous College board of trustees that would operate under the University's accreditation ? a position that they themselves had previously said flat-out was legally impossible when we first sat down with them back in November." Bates said the sudden reversal revealed that the University had not been negotiating in good faith. "It is telling that they offered to accept this plan only after it was clear to everyone that it was too late for such an arrangement to succeed," he said. "And it would still have required us to negotiate the myriad details of final separation with no guarantee that we would reach an agreement." "It was truly shocking and sad to realize that our earlier offer, which could have saved the College months ago, was rejected because of the University lacked the leadership it needed to see it through this crisis," said Horowitz, who has more than four decades of successful experience as an administrator in higher education. "Throughout months of negotiations, the leaders of the University and the Board to Trustees repeatedly stood in the way of opportunities that would have prevented the demise of the College while also safeguarding the fortunes of the rest of the University campuses." For additional information on the Antioch College Alumni Association and the Antioch College Continuation Corporation: www.antiochians.org. -###- From duffy at antioch-college.edu Fri May 9 09:55:20 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Fri May 9 09:55:27 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] coffee, coalition-building and doughnuts Message-ID: I have been asked to post the following: Coffee and doughnuts (from the best bake shop in the area) are available at the College Revival Inc, Office today.... camaderie, coalition building, company and brainstorming....... 716 Xenia Avenue Yellow Springs, OHIO 45387 Phone: landline 937 767-2341 From travissanford at msn.com Fri May 9 10:10:04 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Fri May 9 10:10:07 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The End? Message-ID: In reading the recent documents leaked to the Antioch Papers, particularly those by University counsel, I am struck by how their reliance on statutory definitions of duty to the whole corporation, not just a component could just legitimately be applied in an action to prove that the decision to reject the offer is a failure on all counts of duty. I need not expand the commentary there, most of you can cite better than I, the many specific manifestations where it could reasonably be argued that Trustees had failed in appropriate considerations, diligence and good faith. This is and was as I think most of believe the end game of the Chancellor; simply run out the clock and tire out the activists. I was surprised but what I read in the leaked documents in that it seems that Art was more inclined to save the college than to keep it shut. Which leads me to wonder who ar the Trustees who advocate closure. As we go down the list of specific Trustees, aside from Bruce and Sherwood I have failed to find one that specifically has made public comments hostile to the college's continuation. I will not engage in this mass message to answer the specific questions of University counsel, the various arms of A3C and the AB committees will, or should do that, except to say many of these appear to be unwarranted concerns, or the kind of concerns which can not be specifically addressed until such time as the agreements were executed and operations would show the best course of action. This is common practice on both NFPs and FP businesses boards. Directors routinely allow "buy-outs" by shareholder or management groups that alter the specifics of operations but not the general mission of the entity. It is also true that both types of organizations make decisions to shed operations that are core to the identity of the organization; is that not in fact what the happened when the College became the University? As a limited but famous example Berkshire-Hathaway is hardly known today, for making shirts. That entity has morphed to become a giant holding company, which also routinely sheds parts of itself that would generate greater value from independence. This is my long way of saying that prudence can not be attributed to either side of the vote, both contain possibilities not planned for and probabilities one hopes to avoid. So does it come down to A3C's interest in a legal suit over the lack of good faith on the part of the Board and the Officers of the corporation? Or can a separate plan be developed to but the land and buildings and operate outside the protection of the U and even of our beloved name? Are those big donors up to the task that is in the the potential premise of Non-Stop Antioch? If the A3C truly believe the end of the line has been reached with Antioch, are they willing to donate the same time, money and expertise to the creation of The College of Yellow Springs? The Horace Mann College? The Morgan College of Experiential Learning? While I personally want vengeance (kill the university for killing the college, public humiliation of the Officers of the Corporation, etc) I am beginning to doubt the value of such a fight. As Mr Brower is fond of reminding us: It is easy to tear apart, much harder to build anew with out rancor. I put this in the context of mixed feelings about the 50th Anniversary of the Foundation of the State of Israel. I have always been a devoted Zionist, but I always defined that movement as hopeful and progressive. The hate and resentment on the side of Palestinians and Israelis do not make a foundation for peace, how much better for the idea of a home for everyone if both sides could stop ripping apart and build a new nation(s) of separate and viable stature. I will breathe some fire later-on. Peace to you all (I can't believe I am writing this stuff! But I am in earnest when I say it.) Travis _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_052008 From pas0705 at yahoo.com Fri May 9 11:14:42 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Fri May 9 11:14:45 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily News blog Message-ID: <794773.445.qm@web63914.mail.re1.yahoo.com> http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/oncampus/entries/2008/05/09/lastminute_deal_for_antioch_co.html > > YELLOW SPRINGS ? The Antioch College Continuation Corporation, the > alumni group that has tried to negotiate deals with Antioch University > trustees to keep the college open next year, said today that trustees > rejected its 11th-hour offer known as the "10-10 plan." > > The group offered a large donation ? $9.5 million immediately and then > another $6 million for other university campuses ? in exchange for 10 > seats on the 19-member board of trustees, which would give it a > majority vote. The college could continue operating, the group said, > while allowing the board more time to legally separate the college > from the university. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From warren at antioch-college.edu Fri May 9 17:35:52 2008 From: warren at antioch-college.edu (Scott Warren) Date: Fri May 9 17:36:07 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] coffee, coalition-building and doughnuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, Duffy. Just wanted to let you know that I attended the meeting, and we are indeed moving forward! Here's to the future! in solidarity, Scott Alumni Chat List writes: >I have been asked to post the following: > >Coffee and doughnuts (from the best bake shop in the area) are available >at the College Revival Inc, Office today.... > >camaderie, coalition building, company and brainstorming....... > > > >716 Xenia Avenue >Yellow Springs, OHIO 45387 > >Phone: landline 937 767-2341 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > From travissanford at msn.com Sat May 10 11:42:27 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Sat May 10 11:42:30 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] RE: [Communications] [antioch-nyc] Fwd: Antioch University Rejects $14.5 million and the Futur... In-Reply-To: <5b4ce25a0805091116w7f383f67leb931f4f30175a79@mail.gmail.com> References: <00EFD23F-3CF7-4E3A-B4CE-81CB56765F10@verizon.net> <5b4ce25a0805091116w7f383f67leb931f4f30175a79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It is rumored that some trustees have already resigned or are about to, but not the ones we would hope for. I take this as a sign that those who stayed on the board to fight for the college see that this is the end of the road and they should leave because they no longer agree with the functional mission of the University and it isn't possible to fight anymore from within. Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:16:24 -0400 From: nanrubin@gmail.com To: nyc@lists.antiochians.org CC: communications@antiochians.org; Organizers@antiochians.org Subject: Re: [Communications] [antioch-nyc] Fwd: Antioch University Rejects $14.5 million and the Futur... with my wonky organizational process hat on, it seems that there should be a way for such a divided board to re-open the question and call for another vote. there are parliamentary ways to do this, and if I were a member of the pro-college faction, I would insist on it. (tho the behavior of this board seems completely irrational.) on the other hand, it also seems that the board is so divided and weakened that it is now even more ineffectual than before with even less credibility than ever. I cannot imagine who would contribute or support them. so mebbe we can pressure some of the bad board members to quit, and take over by default. Nan Rubin On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Donald Davidson wrote: Folks, Somehow all the documents don't add up. No answering word from the AU admin or the BOT in response to ACCC press release? Did the U suddenly find the millions it absolutely needs? Has needed for a year? And if it has the money, why do these men and women endure the pain? It must be for us. No? What we've got, what we can give. Tough love. Nothing I've read says that negotiations have been broken off for forever and a day. Has the ACCC folded its hand and walked? Has the BOT said it's over, ended, so go away? I see the answer is no. I could be wrong. This looks to me like negotiation by press release. Is that it? A continuation of Weh by other means? (When is our pain going to end?) Seems to me there are a few days between now and June 30. Time for a wee bit more finagling. (More pain.) If it is the end..., well, then, goodbye, farewell, so-long... On the other hand, could be like that sinkhole in Texas, first a little opening, then a crevasse, then a lot of slip-sliding. I don't believe we're done yet. Not toast. Hold the fork. Go Team!, ACCC, way to go! So let's keep the faith: In the New Antioch, we will have....yes, we will. Don Davidson PS: The new documents in the Antioch Papers--illuminating--are obviously incomplete. The Murdock memo, for example, addresses just one of the issues raised in the legal memorandum of Porter Wright et al. And the legal considerations are just that--considerations. (And seem a little belated.) Every one of them can be resolved. PSS: What is the Myers University case? On May 9, 2008, at 8:16 AM, Bwpurplewins@cs.com wrote: I hope we can have an nyc meeting so that we can discuss how unbelievably stupid the AUBoT is. You have no idea how frustrating was dealing with these people. I can only tell you all that the AC3 acted so well, and our leader Frances Degan Horowitz and two negotiators David Goodman and Eric Bates were more than stellar. You know the expression the lunatics running the asylum. Well in the case of this board lunatics and lawyers won out. Just think - there are only about 30 people on this planet who hate our beloved college - and they are all on this BoT and campus presidents - no where else. Barbara Winslow Women's Studies Program and School of Education Director: Shirley Chisholm Project Brooklyn College of the City University of New York 2900 Bedford Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11215 work: 718-951-4807 FAX: 718-951-4816 _______________________________________________ NYC mailing list NYC@lists.antiochians.org http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/nyc_lists.antiochians.org _______________________________________________ NYC mailing list NYC@lists.antiochians.org http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/nyc_lists.antiochians.org -- Nan Rubin Community Media Services 4700 Broadway # 2J New York, NY 10040 USA 212-569-3391 www.nanrubin.com _________________________________________________________________ Get Free (PRODUCT) RED? Emoticons, Winks and Display Pics. http://joinred.spaces.live.com?ocid=TXT_HMTG_prodredemoticons_052008 From jdwood5000 at yahoo.com Sat May 10 13:50:12 2008 From: jdwood5000 at yahoo.com (j.d.wood) Date: Sat May 10 13:50:15 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] AC3 response? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <721933.44944.qm@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From the University press release: The Immediate Transfer of the College proposal (ITC) fulfilled all of the expressed criteria of the ACCC, yet they rejected it. "Alumni as led by ACCC have insisted that the only option they would accept is an independent Antioch College immediately divorced from the university system, but every time we have offered a solution to make that happen, it has been turned down," Zucker says. "Now the board will continue to bear responsibility for the future of Antioch College. We recognize that the long-term future of Antioch College will require a separation from Antioch University to achieve the college's long-term academic and financial sustainability," Zucker says. "We continue to bear the torch for the ideals of Antioch College throughout Antioch University and will never extinguish the flame." >> According to this press release, this ITC was offered on April 16th and the AC3 rejected it. I expect the AC3 to push back IMMEDIATELY and HARD against this narrative. Allowing the BOT to say this without reply would be unfortunate. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Bwpurplewins at cs.com Sat May 10 14:09:17 2008 From: Bwpurplewins at cs.com (Bwpurplewins@cs.com) Date: Sat May 10 14:09:22 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] AC3 response? Message-ID: I believe this section of the ACCC press release answers Linda Sirk's statement: At one point toward the end of negotiations, the University suddenly offered to accept the ACCC's earlier offer to pay $12.2 million to immediately separate the College from the University. "This was virtually the same plan the University had rejected only a month earlier, and almost identical to the offer they refused to even consider back in February," Bates noted. "Now, all of their earlier objections had magically vanished. Out of the blue, they were prepared to accept all of our terms, without any of the conditions on securing payments or retaining ownership of WYSO that they had previously insisted were deal breakers. They were also willing to delegate full authority to a completely autonomous College board of trustees that would operate under the University's accreditation - a position that they themselves had previously said flat-out was legally impossible when we first sat down with them back in November." Bates said the sudden reversal revealed that the University had not been negotiating in good faith. "It is telling that they offered to accept this plan only after it was clear to everyone that it was too late for such an arrangement to succeed," he said. "And it would still have required us to negotiate the myriad details of final separation with no guarantee that we would reach an agreement. Barbara Winslow Women's Studies Program and School of Education Director: Shirley Chisholm Project Brooklyn College of the City University of New York 2900 Bedford Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11215 work: 718-951-4807 FAX: 718-951-4816 From pas0705 at yahoo.com Sat May 10 23:13:28 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Sat May 10 23:13:31 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] YELLOW SPRINGS NEWS University trustees reject AC3 offer Message-ID: <621732.29813.qm@web63913.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > http://www.ysnews.com/stories/2008/05/050808_closing.html > > YELLOW SPRINGS NEWS > May 10, 2008 > > Web update? > University trustees reject AC3 offer > > By Diane Chiddister > > In what appears to be the final act of the long, complex and heartwrenching > saga around efforts to save Antioch College, the Antioch University Board of > Trustees on Thursday, May 8, rejected the offer of the Antioch College > Continuation Corporation, or AC3, of almost $16 million to keep the college > open. In a press statement the board reaffirmed its decision to suspend > operations at the college. > > ?This is a sad day not only for Antioch, but for everyone who cares about > progressive education in this country,? said AC3 co-chair Frances Degen > Horowitz in a press release from the AC3. ?This was a remarkably generous > and well-intentioned offer by an experienced and supportive group of alumni, > seven of whom are former University trustees. Our proposal was not only a > brilliant solution to save Antioch College ? it would also have provided > Antioch University with critical resources and expertise. We are all at a > loss to understand why the University board rejected a plan that would have > served both the College and the University so well.? > > In the university?s press release, Board Chair Art Zucker stated, ?The > spirit of Antioch lives on in Antioch University. While we remain committed > to renewing the operation of Antioch College in a workable model for the > 21st century, we continue to serve Antioch?s education mission through the > remaining five campuses unaffected by Antioch College?s temporary closing.? > > The AC3 was shocked by the trustees?rejection of their proposal, because a > week before, on April 28, the trustees had voted to accept the AC3 proposal > in a vote not made public at that time. What remained to be worked out > seemed minor details, not deal-breaking issues, according to AC3 co-chair > Eric Bates in an interview Friday. > > ?It?s hard not to be shocked about something that appeared to have been > settled a week earlier and hadn?t been changed substantively,? he said. > ?What?s tragic is that it appears the will of the majority of the board has > been successfully thwarted by the board?s own leadership.? > > According to Trustee Dan Fallon on Friday, the trustees on May 8 rejected an > AC3 counterproposal to a board proposal because the trustees were ?worried > about whether they had exercised fiduciary responsibility? for the > university, and ?at a point when trust and confidence were relatively low, > the AC3 counterproposal seemed aimed at having power and control, and the > risks no longer seemed worth it.? > > The AC3?s efforts to save the college are now done, according to Bates. > > ?We have been close to an agreement for some time. We have offered a number > of creative suggestions that have been repeatedly rejected,? he said.?You > can?t reach an agreement with someone who doesn?t want to reach an > agreement, It?s apparent that the university isn?t interested.? > > Points of contention > According to Bates and Zucker in interviews on Friday, the trustees rejected > the AC3?s counter offer on May 8 because of a suggested change in personnel > on the board that the AC3 considered minor and that the trustees considered > to be threatening to the university structure. > > The university press release also identifes other issues of contention that > were never raised with the AC3, Bates said on Friday. > > The AC3 proposal to the board included $9.5 million immediately for Antioch > College, and $6 million in pledges for the university?s other five campuses. > The current university board has collectively given less than $25,000 to the > college this fiscal year, according to the AC3 press release. > > These donations would be contingent upon a reconstitution of the university? > s board of directors. While the AC3 had originally offered the money in > exchange for 10 seats on the trustees? 18-member board, that plan had > through mediation been revised to eight seats chosen by the AC3, eight > chosen by the current trustees, and four chosen by both groups. On April 28 > the trustees approved this change, with a ?slight modification based on the > identity of one person on the proposed reconstituted board,? according to > the university press release. > > According to Bates, while the trustees and the AC3 had after much > deliberation agreed on Frances Horowitz, Lee Morgan, Dan Fallon and Al > Denman as the four trustees jointly selected by the AC3 and the current > trustees, after April 28 the trustees requested that Denman?s seat be > occupied instead by trustee emerita Lillian Lovelace. > > According to Bates, the AC3 was surprised by that proposal because Denman > had originally been suggested by Fallon and was assumed to have been > approved by the trustees. It was very difficult to go back to the AC3 with a > new change after the group felt it had already accomodated a variety of > unexpected changes, he said. > > ?Every time we addressed their concerns, there were more concerns,? he said. > > On Friday, Fallon and Zucker said they did not know how Denman?s name came > up for the seat, but that the current trustees preferred that Lovelace be > chosen. > > The AC3, after interviewing Lovelace, agreed to her taking a seat on the > board but offered what they considered a minor counter proposal. They > suggested that Lovelace take Fallon?s place as one of the four jointly > selected board members, and that Denman stay on the board. The AC3 suggested > that Fallon could stay on the board as one of the current trustees? eight > choices. > > This counterproposal by the AC3 was described in the May 9 press release as > having sparked the vote against the AC3 proposal because ?it would have > placed the Antioch University system in jeopardy.? The trustees? suggestion > for replacing Denman with Lovelace was described as ?one minor change.? > > In response, Bates stated on Friday, ?to describe their suggestion as > minimal and ours as university-destroying is specious at best.? > > The current trustees had never identified who their choices for the eight > seats would be, Bates said. The AC3 had identified their choices as Karen > Mulhauser, David Goodman, Bob Krinsky (until July 1, when Barbara Winslow > would be able to take a seat), Bates, Laura Markham, Steve Schwerner, > Catherine Jordan and Zelda Gamson. > > The university press release also identified as deal-breakers that the AC3 > ?did not provide enough detail to indicate how the college could remain open > beyond the first year, including academic and business plans.? > > In response, Bates said that he and Horowitz had met 14 times in the > previous three weeks as a ?liason group? with Fallon and Zucker in an > attempt to iron our any remaining obstacles to the proposal, and that these > issues had never come up. The AC3 had presented the trustees with a business > plan with a five-year forecast, he said, and had not been asked for an > academic plan. > > ?How could they have such profound unresolved issues and give us no > indication? What were Francis and I doing there?? he said. > > In response to why these issues had not been raised when they met with Bates > and Horowitz, Fallon said he had no response. According to Zucker, ?whether > it came up or not is certainly not germane.? > > Bates also questioned why a summary of concerns and questions regarding the > AC3 proposal from the university lawyers, which were submitted to the > trustees the day before the May 8 vote, were not shared with the AC3 so that > they could respond. > > According to Zucker, the lawyers? concerns were ?internal documents? and > would not be appropriate to share with the AC3. (See > www.TheAntiochPapers.org for the complete documents.) > > According to Zucker, the board also required financial benchmarks that the > AC3 did not provide, and the AC3?s promise of $8.5 million in cash was not > enough to assure the trustees that the college would be financially viable. > The $6 million promised to other university campuses was only in pledges, he > said, so that the trustees did not feel they could count on it. > > ?There was no secure source of cash,? he said. > > Treichler leaves board > On Friday, Fallon and Zucker said they could not say what the trustees? May > 8 vote had been, nor would they reveal how many trustees had voted. > > ?Some people were not able to attend, and that?s fairly common. It was a > good representation,? Zucker said. ?These are board matters and not public.? > > One person who had not voted May 8 was trustee Paula Treichler, who had > stepped down earlier in the day from the board. > > ?She felt she didn?t have any other option,? according to Treichler?s > husband, Cary Nelson, in an interview Friday. The previous few days had been > so emotionally draining that she did not feel ready to speak, Nelson said. > > Treichler?s action followed a week of turmoil regarding university concerns > about confidentiality on the board of directors. After the trustees? vote > April 28, information surfaced in a faculty e-mail that university leaders > believed could only have come from someone present at the board conference > call. The leak was traced to a recent Antioch College graduate who had > called Treichler after the vote. > > According to Nelson, Treichler intended to reassure the graduate that there > was hope for the college, and she did not know that the young woman was in a > group of faculty members, who were also told of the board?s action. > > University leaders became very upset about the leak, according to Nelson, > and stated that they would not take a vote on the AC3 proposal until the > person responsible stepped down from the board. After conferring with AC3 > leaders, who emphasized the need for such a vote, Treichler stepped down > from the board on May 8. She had requested that she be allowed to vote on > the AC3 proposal and then step down, but her request was denied, Nelson > said. > > Treichler grew up in Yellow Springs, and her parents were both employed by > the college. > > On Friday, Zucker and Fallon said they did not know if confidentiality is > identified in the board of trustees by-laws as a requirement but that > trustees coming on to the board are aware that they are expected to maintain > confidentiality. > > ?It is not unlike other board meetings,? Fallon said. > > More on proposal > In addition to the almost $16 million promised to the college and the > university, the AC3 proposal included several components aimed at protecting > the other five university campuses, according to the AC3 press release. > These components include ensuring that the eventual separation of Antioch > College would be done in a manner that protects the university?s > accreditation and financial security, the ending of university campuses? > subsidies to the college, the implementation of separate governing boards > for each campus and the initiation of a fundraising campaign to raise an > additional $100 million for the college and a commitment to assist the other > campuses in fundraising, according to the AC3 statement. > > AC3 member Lee Morgan, the grandson of former college president Arthur > Morgan, had committed to volunteering half time for the next year to work on > fundraising for the college. AC3 co-chair Horowitz, president emerita of the > Graduate Center of the City University of New York, had offered to volunteer > full time during the summer to serve as chief transition officer for the > college unsuccessful. > > Contact: dchiddister@ysnews.com > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From travissanford at msn.com Sun May 11 02:07:04 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Sun May 11 02:07:09 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Art Zucker and Danny Fallon: Pond Scum or Just Assholes? Message-ID: I have to say these things out-loud. I have to vent. What the fuck? Al Denman scared these morons so much they believed the University would fall apart? Al Denman? How on earth could all be considered even a remotely difficult choice? Oh yeah, because then supporters of the college might, MIGHT have had one more vote and could have sent the Chancellor packing and Toni is Art's legacy to humanity. Just because Danny the Snake would have to serve as one of their 8? These are the most absurd, unethical, immoral, self righteous bastards ever to have been graduates of the college. Someday I hope someone writes the history of the events that led to Art being voted into the Chair. Was his arrogant, privacy obsessed, out of touch with reality personality so well hidden. I mean I have dealt with slime. I have worked closely with absolute criminals masquerading as public officials. I have seen the righteous leaders stabbed hard and fall by the knives of their lessors. But this is epic. This makes me reach for the digitalis. This is... this is... this is just puke. It smells bad, it is ugly and it has all the bad bits that your body rejects out of hand. And, can't say I am not just a little bit amazed at how far A3C was willing to go. Actually pledge money for the U a damn sight more than the useless fund-raisers on the board have done. Allow 8 of the least ethical backstabbing SOBs to stay on the Board? You know Art, Bruce and Sherwood and Danny would have remained. Then for Art to claim it was normal to not a call a full board meeting, to wait till everyone entitled to vote could be present to do so? To say it was not germane that his negotiating group never raised their supposed concerns with A3C. When I worked in the restaurant business we had an ugly but black-funny chant we hexed nasty customers with: carcrash, carcrash, carcrash. I know I will bring reproach on myself for saying this: but for the presence of one or two people this situation might never have come about. I am glad this embarrassing episode is over. I do not believe the University can last more than a year or two, especially if people as angry as I am do their best to heap scorn and ridicule on the University's leadership and therefore the U itself. The UBoT does not have the money, or the fund raising skill to survive. The economy is turning south, student loans are getting harder to come by, private sharks are in the water, where is the U's money going to come from? Their own graduates? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Look at the balance sheets their people give squat. What I wish A3C would do now is simply offer to buy the campus, not even all of it, not the Glenn, not WYSO, not the golf course, not the buildings on the other side of Livermore, well except the CSK center and the land were presidents once stood and West. Is West still there?. Just buy the smaller core, the historic heart. Just so we have a home a place. Give them all the books in the Big O (except of course Antiochiana), we can build a new collection, a new building. Perhaps that was ever the best we could hope for. I dunno. I am sorry I can't be more eloquent. It took a lot not to write the f-word over and over and over again. Okay Non-Stopers, my eldest will be ready to enter in 2022 will we be ready? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_052008 From howardh0336 at comcast.net Sun May 11 10:10:20 2008 From: howardh0336 at comcast.net (Howard Hammerman) Date: Sun May 11 10:10:50 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The End? References: Message-ID: <01fb01c8b370$c112e850$6401a8c0@hhhome> Travis, Good points. Some corrections and questions: 1) Israel was founded 60, not 50 years ago. Shalom. 2) In my opinion the Antioch mission was diluted when the University was founded. 3) Why not use the money that has been collected to "buy" the physical plant with a small down payment and a long-term mortgage. Then we could found a new college called "Horrace Mann College" or "Arthur Mogan University", or "New Antioch", or "The Free College of Yellow Springs"? Howard Hammerman, Class of 1966 ----- Original Message ----- From: "t Sanford" To: "Organizers@antiochians.org" ; "Antiochian Communications" ; ; Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: [Alumni-chat] The End? In reading the recent documents leaked to the Antioch Papers, particularly those by University counsel, I am struck by how their reliance on statutory definitions of duty to the whole corporation, not just a component could just legitimately be applied in an action to prove that the decision to reject the offer is a failure on all counts of duty. I need not expand the commentary there, most of you can cite better than I, the many specific manifestations where it could reasonably be argued that Trustees had failed in appropriate considerations, diligence and good faith. This is and was as I think most of believe the end game of the Chancellor; simply run out the clock and tire out the activists. I was surprised but what I read in the leaked documents in that it seems that Art was more inclined to save the college than to keep it shut. Which leads me to wonder who ar the Trustees who advocate closure. As we go down the list of specific Trustees, aside from Bruce and Sherwood I have failed to find one that specifically has made public comments hostile to the college's continuation. I will not engage in this mass message to answer the specific questions of University counsel, the various arms of A3C and the AB committees will, or should do that, except to say many of these appear to be unwarranted concerns, or the kind of concerns which can not be specifically addressed until such time as the agreements were executed and operations would show the best course of action. This is common practice on both NFPs and FP businesses boards. Directors routinely allow "buy-outs" by shareholder or management groups that alter the specifics of operations but not the general mission of the entity. It is also true that both types of organizations make decisions to shed operations that are core to the identity of the organization; is that not in fact what the happened when the College became the University? As a limited but famous example Berkshire-Hathaway is hardly known today, for making shirts. That entity has morphed to become a giant holding company, which also routinely sheds parts of itself that would generate greater value from independence. This is my long way of saying that prudence can not be attributed to either side of the vote, both contain possibilities not planned for and probabilities one hopes to avoid. So does it come down to A3C's interest in a legal suit over the lack of good faith on the part of the Board and the Officers of the corporation? Or can a separate plan be developed to but the land and buildings and operate outside the protection of the U and even of our beloved name? Are those big donors up to the task that is in the the potential premise of Non-Stop Antioch? If the A3C truly believe the end of the line has been reached with Antioch, are they willing to donate the same time, money and expertise to the creation of The College of Yellow Springs? The Horace Mann College? The Morgan College of Experiential Learning? While I personally want vengeance (kill the university for killing the college, public humiliation of the Officers of the Corporation, etc) I am beginning to doubt the value of such a fight. As Mr Brower is fond of reminding us: It is easy to tear apart, much harder to build anew with out rancor. I put this in the context of mixed feelings about the 50th Anniversary of the Foundation of the State of Israel. I have always been a devoted Zionist, but I always defined that movement as hopeful and progressive. The hate and resentment on the side of Palestinians and Israelis do not make a foundation for peace, how much better for the idea of a home for everyone if both sides could stop ripping apart and build a new nation(s) of separate and viable stature. I will breathe some fire later-on. Peace to you all (I can't believe I am writing this stuff! But I am in earnest when I say it.) Travis _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_052008 From travissanford at msn.com Sun May 11 19:46:38 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Sun May 11 19:46:43 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The End? In-Reply-To: <01fb01c8b370$c112e850$6401a8c0@hhhome> References: <01fb01c8b370$c112e850$6401a8c0@hhhome> Message-ID: !??? ?????, ????? ??? ??????. ??? ????? ??? ?????! Nu, not such a smart one after all! > From: howardh0336@comcast.net > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu; organizers@antiochians.org; communications@antiochians.org; alumni-board@antiochians.org > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] The End? > Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:10:20 -0400 > CC: > > Travis, > > Good points. Some corrections and questions: > > 1) Israel was founded 60, not 50 years ago. Shalom. > 2) In my opinion the Antioch mission was diluted when the University was > founded. > 3) Why not use the money that has been collected to "buy" the physical plant > with a small down payment and a long-term mortgage. Then we could found a > new college called "Horrace Mann College" or "Arthur Mogan University", or > "New Antioch", or "The Free College of Yellow Springs"? > > Howard Hammerman, Class of 1966 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "t Sanford" > To: "Organizers@antiochians.org" ; "Antiochian > Communications" ; > ; > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:10 AM > Subject: [Alumni-chat] The End? > > > In reading the recent documents leaked to the Antioch Papers, particularly > those by University counsel, I am struck by how their reliance on statutory > definitions of duty to the whole corporation, not just a component could > just legitimately be applied in an action to prove that the decision to > reject the offer is a failure on all counts of duty. I need not expand the > commentary there, most of you can cite better than I, the many specific > manifestations where it could reasonably be argued that Trustees had failed > in appropriate considerations, diligence and good faith. > > This is and was as I think most of believe the end game of the Chancellor; > simply run out the clock and tire out the activists. I was surprised but > what I read in the leaked documents in that it seems that Art was more > inclined to save the college than to keep it shut. Which leads me to wonder > who ar the Trustees who advocate closure. As we go down the list of specific > Trustees, aside from Bruce and Sherwood I have failed to find one that > specifically has made public comments hostile to the college's continuation. > > I will not engage in this mass message to answer the specific questions of > University counsel, the various arms of A3C and the AB committees will, or > should do that, except to say many of these appear to be unwarranted > concerns, or the kind of concerns which can not be specifically addressed > until such time as the agreements were executed and operations would show > the best course of action. > > This is common practice on both NFPs and FP businesses boards. Directors > routinely allow "buy-outs" by shareholder or management groups that alter > the specifics of operations but not the general mission of the entity. It is > also true that both types of organizations make decisions to shed operations > that are core to the identity of the organization; is that not in fact what > the happened when the College became the University? As a limited but famous > example Berkshire-Hathaway is hardly known today, for making shirts. That > entity has morphed to become a giant holding company, which also routinely > sheds parts of itself that would generate greater value from independence. > > This is my long way of saying that prudence can not be attributed to either > side of the vote, both contain possibilities not planned for and > probabilities one hopes to avoid. So does it come down to A3C's interest in > a legal suit over the lack of good faith on the part of the Board and the > Officers of the corporation? > > Or can a separate plan be developed to but the land and buildings and > operate outside the protection of the U and even of our beloved name? Are > those big donors up to the task that is in the the potential premise of > Non-Stop Antioch? If the A3C truly believe the end of the line has been > reached with Antioch, are they willing to donate the same time, money and > expertise to the creation of The College of Yellow Springs? The Horace > Mann College? The Morgan College of Experiential Learning? > > While I personally want vengeance (kill the university for killing the > college, public humiliation of the Officers of the Corporation, etc) I am > beginning to doubt the value of such a fight. As Mr Brower is fond of > reminding us: It is easy to tear apart, much harder to build anew with out > rancor. I put this in the context of mixed feelings about the 50th > Anniversary of the Foundation of the State of Israel. I have always been a > devoted Zionist, but I always defined that movement as hopeful and > progressive. The hate and resentment on the side of Palestinians and > Israelis do not make a foundation for peace, how much better for the idea of > a home for everyone if both sides could stop ripping apart and build a new > nation(s) of separate and viable stature. > > I will breathe some fire later-on. > > Peace to you all (I can't believe I am writing this stuff! But I am in > earnest when I say it.) > > Travis > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_052008 > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. http://www.windowsvista.com/SP1?WT.mc_id=hotmailvistasp1banner From judemers at gmail.com Sun May 11 21:12:06 2008 From: judemers at gmail.com (Jude Logan Demers) Date: Sun May 11 21:12:14 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Ideas To Rename Non-Stop Antioch To Better Suit Our Times Message-ID: <20c4b6960805111812i149a6afhb7621d9085860464@mail.gmail.com> Dear All, Of course your always invited for dinner. This, however, is food for thought. I have lots to learn about the history of TWA. When I entered in '93 I attempted to join the Third World Alliance. After a long drawn out process of negotiations, that included me presenting speaches about the African American Culture I was raised in, it was decided that I could not join based on the superficial construct of my face or race as it were. It was suggested that I start a UIG on my own that was all inclusive. Therefore with the help of a Dominican American from NYC and two Puertorican American's, one from Jersey and the otha from the City, and me the technically Irish American French Canadian American Kid from the African American West Dayton Jefferson area of Ohio. After getting our one hundred, how many was it in '93?, signatures needed for a Union of Independent Groups we formed SWIRL. The idea behind the name is kind of like this Melting Pot concept we have in America. We are one big celebration of a Swirl of different diverse cultures and identities. Society With International Rights Legislation I do not recall using SWIRL as an acronymn I just thought of that one. Antioch College History If We Are Creating A Pool of Possible Names for our "New School" from the intellectual battle field I officially submit. SWIRL As I brainstorm stream of consciousness jargon I will also add. Polite Politically Right Riteous Humanist College The Free Tuition College The Left The Left of Liberal Arts College Human Rights College International Intellectual Progress Expand The Field Of Knowledge College Diversity University Celebrate Diversity University Lil' NY NJ CHI In Ohi College School of Thought Freedom of Expression WIth Love, Jude "Oli Oli In Come Free" Demers -- Jude Logan Demers www.youtube.com/judemers www.myspace.com/judelogandemers 937-301-9064 judemers@gmail.com From duffy at antioch-college.edu Mon May 12 11:57:22 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Mon May 12 11:57:29 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: insidehighered today Message-ID: College Revival Fund, Inc. 716 Xenia Avenue 937-767-2341........good stats to remember todaze news duffy '77 ----- Original Message ----- Monday, May 12, 2008 9:15:49 AM Announcements From: Linda Sattem Subject: insidehighered today To: Announcements Pulse Article: Salt in the Wound at Antioch http://insidehighered.com/news/2008/05/12/antioch Linda Lee Sattem, Ph.D., PCC/S Director, Counseling and Wellness Center Antioch College 795 Livermore St. Yellow Springs, OH 45387-1697 (937) 769-1129 direct (937) 769-1130 center (937) 769-1125 fax E-mail is not a secure form of communication, and precautions need to be taken to protect all confidential information. From jdwood5000 at yahoo.com Mon May 12 18:29:56 2008 From: jdwood5000 at yahoo.com (j.d.wood) Date: Mon May 12 18:30:00 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] motivations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <624793.537.qm@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ah Laura - such pesky questions you ask. Please keep it up. Jeff Wood '88 ------ From:"Laura Fathauer" To:"Antioch College Action Network Chat List" Cc:"Save Antioch" I find myself constantly wondering that if the ACCC's motivations were open to such questioning because they are alumni of the college, then has anyone on the board ever questioned the motivations of those who sit on McGregor's Board of Visitors? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From matt at baya.net Tue May 13 12:54:50 2008 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Tue May 13 12:55:02 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] From Laura Markham References: Message-ID: <75231FCB-4057-4F57-87D9-F6C2115E608E@baya.net> Forwarding (with permission) from the NYC list Begin forwarded message: > From: "Dr. Laura Markham" > Date: May 13, 2008 12:34:31 PM EDT > To: "aaron@gmcandd.com, NYC Antiochians" > Subject: Re: [antioch-nyc] Fwd: Antioch University Rejects $14.5 > million and the Future of Antioch College > Reply-To: NYC Antiochians > > The simple truth is that the chancellor was against this plan, and > fought it in every way she could. Before every vote, the chancellor > rustled up some sort of threat: foundation money that would be > forfeit (turned out to be untrue), lawsuits from faculty at other > campuses (I have enough faith in Antioch faculty that they would > quickly have seen that their concerns were unfounded), and legal > concerns (half-baked at best). The Presidents of the other campuses > were led to believe that the AC3 was unsympathetic to them, which is > simply untrue. Most of us are former University trustees; many of us > had served on the Boards of Visitors of other Antioch campuses. > > I think all the trustees know that the truth is that Antioch College > will never reopen. But many of the trustees believed the fear- > mongering of the chancellor rather than looking at the facts, and > decided to sacrifice the College rather than risk the University. > Of course, this was a false dichotomy, but the result was a very > divided board. One trustee left the board last week, another was out > of the country and did not participate on the call where this vote > was taken. > > I know a lot of people fault the Chancellor, but ultimately the > Board of Trustees must shoulder the responsibility for their > failures, beginning with their inability to raise the money for the > Renewal Plan, and botching its implementation. The University needs > a new board. The trustees may be nice folks but most of them don?t > contribute financially, and they don?t raise money from other > sources. This is the only board I have ever seen where the basic > precept of ?Give, Get, or Get Off? is not followed. But where are > the alumni who want to serve on this board, who are willing to give > generously? Oh, right ? they were just sent packing by the current > trustees. > > Laura > From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed May 14 15:50:02 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed May 14 15:50:08 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Something for you to send to Alumni Chat? Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:42:21 PM Message From: Richard Kerns Subject: Something for you to send to Alumni Chat? To: Steven Duffy Another great find of Ozzie's! http://www.lunaparkreview.com/MyYearsatAntiochReview.htm From robinsimons at yahoo.com Thu May 15 13:16:20 2008 From: robinsimons at yahoo.com (Robin Simons) Date: Thu May 15 13:16:23 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] forums Message-ID: <999966.45027.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> what's going on with the antiochians.org site, can someone please explain? robin From alicson at gmail.com Thu May 15 14:29:05 2008 From: alicson at gmail.com (Alicson) Date: Thu May 15 14:29:09 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] forums In-Reply-To: <999966.45027.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <999966.45027.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1c08629e0805151129n548498a3t6305f0ec808de6cb@mail.gmail.com> Fair question, Robin. I assume there's a good reason (and maybe an announcement somewhere?) as to why many of the key links were removed? ~Alicson On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Robin Simons wrote: > what's going on with the antiochians.org site, can someone please explain? > > robin > > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > From christian.feuerstein at gmail.com Thu May 15 15:10:58 2008 From: christian.feuerstein at gmail.com (Christian Feuerstein) Date: Thu May 15 15:11:02 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Forums NOT down In-Reply-To: <45e83e2c0805151045p7253e52cs468acd4e700155e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <45e83e2c0805151045p7253e52cs468acd4e700155e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45e83e2c0805151210l2f280a0ese0498022e94355de@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks--the forums are STILL UP on antiochians.org--go to http://forum.antiochians.org/ . No one's taken it down, especially without notice to the community. Links at the top of the page were messed up a bit, but they are being worked on and being fixed as we speak. Or, type. Thanks! --Christian From thanos at post.com Fri May 16 12:15:35 2008 From: thanos at post.com (thanos) Date: Fri May 16 12:15:47 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] forums Message-ID: <20080516161535.C569FBE4079@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> And the Antiochians.org forums are so quiet because....? -- See Exclusive Video: 10th Annual Young Hollywood Awards http://www.hollywoodlife.net/younghollywoodawards2008/ From Hopita at aol.com Fri May 23 14:42:47 2008 From: Hopita at aol.com (Hopita@aol.com) Date: Fri May 23 14:43:26 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] What's in a name? Message-ID: O Antioch, Antioch! wherefore art thou Antioch? Deny thy Trustees and refuse thy name; Or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my College, And I'll no longer be an Antiochian. 'Tis but thy name that is my enemy; Thou art thyself, though not a University. What's University? it is nor hand, nor foot, Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part Belonging to a man. O, be some other name! What's in a name? that which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet; So Antioch would, were she not Antioch call'd, Retain that dear perfection which she owes Without that title. Antioch, doff thy name, And for that name which is no part of thee Take all her alumni. **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From thebangaloreblue at yahoo.com Sun May 25 20:15:01 2008 From: thebangaloreblue at yahoo.com (TheBangaloreBlue) Date: Sun May 25 20:15:09 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] What's in a name? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <966783.47976.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Sorry to ask somewhat painful questions... But when will the remaining faculty & staff be told what their last day is? What directives are they being given - (i.e. close every thing up, archive everything, throw everything away, etc...) As we face the unfortunate reality that Antioch College will not be open next year (I mean no disrespect to efforts of Antioch In Exile by saying that). I am extremely concerned at what is being done now to archive the history of Antioch. What is the mood on campus? Anyone have an update? From matt at baya.net Mon May 26 00:08:42 2008 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Mon May 26 00:08:47 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: alumni - excil representation References: Message-ID: Chelsea asked me to forward these on to the 'big' lists Begin forwarded message: > From: "Chelsea Martens" > Date: May 25, 2008 9:48:29 PM EDT > To: acan@saveantioch.org, organizers@antiochians.org, alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > , saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org > Subject: [ACAN] alumni -excil representation > Reply-To: Antioch College Action Network Chat List > > > Dearest Alumni, > > As of Thursday, May 22nd I was appointed by Excil as the Alumni > Representative on Excil (formally Adcil-in-Excil) until the up- > coming reunion, where folks can elect their own representative. > > In order to best serve in this role I wanted to share with you the > "official" Excil charge (please see below). Also, as soon as minutes > and agendas are made available, I will post those. I do realize that > I will not be able to represent the needs/interests of all alumni, > but I hope that my position on this council will be of some use to > you all. > > Please feel free to contact me via email or phone to share with me > your insights on the agenda topics that are going to be discussed > during Excil. Also, please feel free to direct your comments/ > questions after meetings to me as well. Excil meetings are held > every Tuesday and Thursday mornings @ 10am-12noon EST on the 2nd > floor of co-op. You can also stream these meetings at > listen.antiochians.org > > yours, > Chelsea > > Excil charge: > > "Whereas, > > The BOT's decision of the last June to suspend Antioch College, > which was taken without any consultation with AdCil, has rendered > the current AdCil ineffective in the current operation of the > College as well as future planning, > > Realizing that, > > The Interim President of the College, who has been appointed with no > consultation with College community or AdCil, has failed to heed the > judgment and advice of AdCil and has, in effect, made AdCil a > dysfunctional body, > > Acknowledging that, > > Antioch College is in a critical stage of is existence and needs > effective leadership to ensure its continuity and sustainability, > > Further recognizing that, > > AdCil, which was created by the faculty, has historically played an > important role in the leadership, governance, and administration of > the College, > > The faculty of Antioch College once again votes to create a new > AdCil, "Non-Stop AdCil," representing community constituents as the > current AdCil does plus an additional voting seat for non union > staff, but without participation of the current interim president/ > COA, to provide leadership to the community in its efforts to keep > the College open and to plan for the future governance, > administration, finances, community and public relations, enrollment > management, and personnel needs of Antioch College." > > > > > > > -- > Chelsea Martens '08 > College Revival Fund > Alumni Relations Associate > PO Box 444 > 716 Xenia Ave. > Yellow Springs, OH 45387 > Office (937)767-2341 > Fax (937)767-2376 > Cell (440)840-8376 From travissanford at msn.com Tue May 27 09:26:23 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Tue May 27 09:26:27 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] RE: [Organizers] alumni -excil representation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: With all do respect to Chelsea who has served the community with true dedication and loyalty as community manager, why is ExCil appointing anyone to their ranks with out consultation, let a lone a vote, of the constituency said person is going to represent? I can not stress enough, and have perhaps too much for some folks, the importance getting some perspective outside YSO, it comes to a basic question of legitimacy, democratic participation and all that stuff. To have a person continue from student to CM to employee of CRF to Alumni Representative on AdCil [sic] wraps the council into a insular (if varied from within) point of view. Now obviously I would not like to see someone who fails to even educate themselves with even a preliminary reading of the available data, but an outside voice would be an asset. Even if such an appointment is done in consultation with CRF and the AB it once again highlights ExCil's apparent lack of interest in engaging the community outside YSO. As has been pointed out many times (not least of which every Sunday evening during the opening of the Six Million Dollar Man); We have the technology, we can elect people faster, stronger, better than before. We can run an election on-line over a weekend. The winner can speaker conference, or even teleconference with a web cam, to the meetings. Or was the purpose of this position to cover the opinion of alumni who are still in YSO? Again, I have listened to Chelsea many times on conference calls and audio streams and would probably vote for her given her credentials, sensitivity to the issues and nuanced approach to engagement, but being able to vote for ones representative is... the American way. travis PS please, I know about interim appointments, executive appointments etc. not the point, the point is a direct reflection of the will of the constituency. trs Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 21:48:29 -0400 From: chelseamartens@gmail.com To: acan@saveantioch.org; organizers@antiochians.org; alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu; saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org Subject: [Organizers] alumni -excil representation Dearest Alumni, As of Thursday, May 22nd I was appointed by Excil as the Alumni Representative on Excil (formally Adcil-in-Excil) until the up-coming reunion, where folks can elect their own representative. In order to best serve in this role I wanted to share with you the "official" Excil charge (please see below). Also, as soon as minutes and agendas are made available, I will post those. I do realize that I will not be able to represent the needs/interests of all alumni, but I hope that my position on this council will be of some use to you all. Please feel free to contact me via email or phone to share with me your insights on the agenda topics that are going to be discussed during Excil. Also, please feel free to direct your comments/questions after meetings to me as well. Excil meetings are held every Tuesday and Thursday mornings @ 10am-12noon EST on the 2nd floor of co-op. You can also stream these meetings at listen.antiochians.org yours, Chelsea Excil charge: "Whereas, The BOT's decision of the last June to suspend Antioch College, which was taken without any consultation with AdCil, has rendered the current AdCil ineffective in the current operation of the College as well as future planning, Realizing that, The Interim President of the College, who has been appointed with no consultation with College community or AdCil, has failed to heed the judgment and advice of AdCil and has, in effect, made AdCil a dysfunctional body, Acknowledging that, Antioch College is in a critical stage of is existence and needs effective leadership to ensure its continuity and sustainability, Further recognizing that, AdCil, which was created by the faculty, has historically played an important role in the leadership, governance, and administration of the College, The faculty of Antioch College once again votes to create a new AdCil, "Non-Stop AdCil," representing community constituents as the current AdCil does plus an additional voting seat for non union staff, but without participation of the current interim president/COA, to provide leadership to the community in its efforts to keep the College open and to plan for the future governance, administration, finances, community and public relations, enrollment management, and personnel needs of Antioch College." -- Chelsea Martens '08 College Revival Fund Alumni Relations Associate PO Box 444 716 Xenia Ave. Yellow Springs, OH 45387 Office (937)767-2341 Fax (937)767-2376 Cell (440)840-8376 _________________________________________________________________ Change the world with e-mail. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld From travissanford at msn.com Tue May 27 09:59:37 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Tue May 27 09:59:39 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] RE: [SaveAntioch] Antioch of the future In-Reply-To: References: <9B8FD86B-1634-4578-A737-7F0A7A66F218@imbris.com> Message-ID: The position which you seem to believe has no representation in these lists or in the college has been well represented in both by the University BoT which seems to share the flimsy idea that the culture of leftist intellectual oppression killed the college, and these many lists where apparently anyone can write a note send it and expect a little prairie fire to erupt from their missive. It is unclear to me where some folks have gotten the idea that allowing for a diversity of opinion is the same thing as giving all opinions equal weight and respect. More insultingly you folks seem to believe that an opinion launched in the public sphere should not be criticized, torn apart etc. etc. Opinions are not sacrosanct, useful opinions engage the mind and foster debate. But at some point this debate, in a movement, must congeal to become a reasoned (and documented) basis for action and then action. Now some people may not have the technological savvy to run a google search, search posted archives, wade through several layers of a website to mine data, but this certainly does not give you carte blanch to keep repeating the same faulty and disproved arguments over and over again without raising the ire of people who come to the table prepared and have grown tired of having to expend valuable time and energy to point out the fallacy of your opinions, the factual basis for ours and then get back to arguing the points of moving forward. Just reading the exchanges on these lists indicates a diversity of opinion that maybe too nuanced for some of you to catch, stuck as you are on the gross arguments and positions of June 2007. For instance: I believe that ExCil is insular, lacks sophistication as to fund raising and marketing, and lacks sufficient consultation with the larger community they are charged to represent. Thus the naming fiasco (or so labeled by me) the undemocratic appointment of an alumni representative to ExCil, etc. etc. etc. Other people have written, arguing quite cogently that each of the things I have just said are minor points, justifiable under the circumstances, or that I am failing to understand the division of authority and responsibility that have emerged over the last year. Going back there was the difference of opinion over the consideration of legal action, over how much A3C was willing to give to the U etc. etc etc. In short lots of opinions, arguments and counterpoint. Ya don't like being called a creep? Don't act like one. Ya don't like having your opinion shown to be based on nothing more than a set of personal grievances and psychological trauma perhaps going back to your childhood, form a more reasoned opinion. While it is true that the attribution of evil does nothing to build a new college while the fight continues for our name and heritage, it is important because it provides the wisdom (based on fact) to know that Art Zucker, a small majority of the Trustees and Toni Murdoch can not be trusted to negotiation in good faith and will act to suppress and stifle any attempt to question, let alone overturn, their stated goal to lay rest the ghosts of the past and reopen the college in name only, sometime in the future. Knowing that we can prepare ourselves if a future negotiation should come up, position ourselves legally, and counteract the negative image of the college constructed by the other side. If you continue to believe there is no other side and that Art, Toni and that small majority of the board have acted in good faith and want to save the college you are, as I called Ted, an idiot, a fool or both. I would now have to add; agent provocateur or asshole or both, as no one reading the history of the closure of Antioch College as captured in many places by different people, could believe that unless they justed wanted a fight or wanted to disrupt the fight to revive the college. travis > From: mspkzink@comcast.net > To: saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org; theodora@imbris.com > Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 22:36:31 -0600 > Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch of the future > > Get real, Pamela. There is no room on this list for diverse opinions. This > is no longer the Antioch we knew. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pamela Olsen" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 5:15 PM > Subject: [SaveAntioch] Antioch of the future > > > >I agree, Ted. THere has been a lot of support on the chat list about > > making more room at Antioch for diverse opinions, and Dave just > > raised it again. At Antioch, diverse seems to mean diverse from the > > mainstream--but within the college itself, it can be pretty hard, if > > not downright impossible, to be anything but far to the left. IMHO > > it doesn't serve the college or the students well. I was there at > > the same time Dave was, and even then, I found the pressure to be > > "open minded" to virtually everything, and not to set boundaries on > > anything, to be oppressive. Although I had difficulty voicing it then. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SaveAntioch mailing list > > SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > > > _______________________________________________ > SaveAntioch mailing list > SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_family_safety_052008 From travissanford at msn.com Tue May 27 17:22:03 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Tue May 27 17:22:05 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Please, at least read the data before pouting about how those nasty toxic leftists destroyed your go Message-ID: "Remember that this issue came up at this time because the role of political correctness was reintroduced. The idea that it, and the famous toxic culture, had nothing to do with the decline of Antioch is not one that seems self evident to me. I would think they would have resonances with any of a number of issues of motivation, and indeed would be necessary for the contextualizaton of any data you've got. I don't think the purpose of explanation is served when such matters are summarily and scornfully dismissed." Does it seem self evident that it did have something to do with it? Because without evidence one can stand by either supposition with equal confidence. The issue only becomes self-evident when one looks at the data and sees incremental enrollment increases in campus during the period that "pc" entered the lexicon and practice of academia. Looking at the data (again we talked about this last year over and over again) students who did not persist rarely if ever mentioned campus climate or campus conditions as the reason they did not stay. As I recall the number one reason, the number two reason and the number three reason were some variant of the need for money. Look at the question of accepted students who did not matriculate, was it because of a perceived toxic culture or lack of respect for diversity, or was it because of money/proximity to their home?Again, that some people seem to be new to this discussion and want to believe that there was something wrong with the college itself, rather than the college was run into the ground by ruinous financial decisions and poor governance from the University, and that those people do not even begin to offer anything other than their personal opinion as evidence, strikes me as ironic and insulting when they dismiss a conclusion, based on analysis that is counter to their opinion. _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_family_safety_052008 From travissanford at msn.com Tue May 27 17:55:01 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Tue May 27 17:55:52 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Partial apology to priscilla but probably not a satisfying one In-Reply-To: <8DBA2DC606B44F24B15A652AA20A4791@PriscillaPC> References: <9B8FD86B-1634-4578-A737-7F0A7A66F218@imbris.co