From davidallenusa at yahoo.com Wed Jan 2 15:57:29 2008 From: davidallenusa at yahoo.com (YAZZ ALLEN) Date: Wed Jan 2 15:57:32 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antiochian (Ms.) Robin Rice Lichtig '64 Winner Of 2007 National Millennium Playwriting Contest In NYC USA! Message-ID: <916010.38923.qm@web52007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> January 2, 2008 Hello from Yazz (David) Allen, '66 (Email me at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com): Many Antiochians are part of the worldwide performing arts community, and many have won important awards over the years (Cliff Robertson '46 won the Best Actor Academy Award in 1969 for the movie titled CHARLY, Rod Serling won many Emmy Awards for THE TWILIGHT ZONE, and these two are joined by many other performers, writers, etc.) Here is information I thought Antiochians should know about....the latest "star on the Antioch College Alumni Performing Arts Crown:" Antiochian (Ms.) Robin RIce Lichtig '64 has won the 2007 National Millennium Playwriting Contest for her play titled HUMAN REMAINS. A staged reading the of the play will be held on Monday, January 14, 2008 in Manhattan, New York City, NY USA at the 45th Street Theatre off of world famous Times Square. Here are details about the staged reading from a SteppingStone Theatre Company press release announcement regarding the event: "SteppingStone Theatre Company proudly presents the winner of the 2007 National Millennium Playwrighting Contest: HUMANS REMAIN by Robin Rice Lichtig. SteppingStone received over 100 new plays throughout the continental United States and abroad. Robin Rice Lichtig, the winner of the "Millennium Playwrighting Contest of 2007, has created a thrilling and provoking new American play. "Mon, Jan 14, 6:30pm - 9:00pm 45th Street Theatre, 354 West 45th Street (btwn 8th & 9th Aves) "A staged reading of HUMANS REMAIN will be directed by acclaimed actor and director Stephen McKinley Henderson and performed by Kerisse Hutchinson, Jeffrey Kitrosser, Amina Henry, Kimberlyn Crawford, Clinton Lowe, Josh Baker Vink, Stephanie Shipp, Marinda Anderson and Gregory McCay. "Wine Reception: 6:30pm. Performance: 7:00pm. Admission: $15. Call for Reservations: 1(800) 868-4444. "Online Reservations: www.Smarttix.com Discount Code: (NMPC) - $5 off. Actor Discount: Present Headshot & Resume at the door for a $10 discount." ---- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my movie actor photos and recent credits at WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor, "WWW.CastingNetworks.Com. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From duffy at antioch-college.edu Thu Jan 3 13:28:46 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Thu Jan 3 13:28:06 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] treehuggers and all dat Message-ID: Happy New Year to All. Folks on the chat line and elsewhere. Friends, romans, countrywomyn and J. David Coldren.... Please consider one of yer New Year's resolutions to be that of staying in touch and lending a hand to making us stronger. We need so such help and in many forms.... skillsets and dollar bills y'all. Maybe with the help of the masses we can be one of the more hopeful stories of the year for 2008 in the field of higher education. Campus today is quiet and beautiful. We had a five inch snowfall yesterday so we are having a Currier And Ives moment. Global warming should hopefully kick back in by the weekend.. and then this pretty white stuff should be gone. Since I commute from Dayton I would prefer that it only snow on Saturdaze. The drive here yesterday was a little frazzling and later in the day when a visiting researcher said " What a beautiful place you have here"...I took the time to realize it..... Many of us just take it all for granted.....letting the day's irritations take over...or other irritations. The visitor was doing a piece for an Ohio Art Journal about Bob Whitmore....an art professor from back in da day and a local...... BTW if you were to visit and head to the Glen side of main building you would find a flag flying..at half mast.....and unlike many more cotidian places.....it is NOT the starz and stripes... it is an azure blue flag with a blue , green and white earth on it. Dunno why we fly it it instead of old glory.. Are we more worldly? Is it because we belong to the set of six colleges that make up the eco-league? Or is it because we are treehuggers and peaceniks? And I haven't figured out or asked why it is flying half-mast. Is it because of the College's current sub-optimal condition or is it the world's current sub-optimal condition? Either way it works for me I guess. It makes me chortle......... reminds of my first Antioch catalog...there was a picture of the Empire State bldg and text about the world being our campus...as a New Yorker It worked for me..I thought ...oh.. a few weeks in Ohio and then I can return to NY. And course..I did...my first co-op was at the New York Times. and after that I went on co-op almost anywhere there was a palm tree....and discovered NY was not the only place in the world. and then set roots right cheer. and btw that front campus flag is just like the one that many of the older peaceniks wave at traffic passing by on Route 68.....most Saturday afternoons. With large signs saying "Peace is patriotic" back to that earth flag and greening topic... I did do some of my Christmas shopping in YS..because I wanted to stay outta the mall craziness......and YS seems a tad more sane that many places. Downt0wn across from the bank there is a new store "living Green" so I stopped there and bought energy saving light bulbs and water aerators.... ah...gifts that keep giving....at least as good as ties or old spice. Next door to "Living green" is a "Fair Trade Store". You hafta know that many of the current slightly yuppy shops in YS from Living Green, to Kismet, Ohio Sillver, The Winds and such have come from the college's culture. Sprinter Term starts in about 12 days....... I hope it to be a good one. and not the only one........ Happy and Prosperopus New Year to all...and especially US. and come visit and take a stroll by that blue flag on Front Campus. Yours from a place where there are still many trees to hug. Duffy '77 Don't forget to visit Antiochians.org and the like From mbrower32 at comcast.net Thu Jan 3 14:56:53 2008 From: mbrower32 at comcast.net (Michael Brower) Date: Thu Jan 3 14:57:01 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [Alumni Board] treehuggers and all dat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, Duffy!! Thank you so much for your New Year's greeting and your picturesque and picaresque (Not sure what that means but sounds good, at least to me) evoking for us foreigners reminders of the beauty of our beloved Antioch and YSO. And for reminding us that both Antioch College and our planet earth are endangered and that their futures are surely intertwined in some magical ways. And Happy New Year to you, too, and to all of us. This year, 2008, will be the year of re-generation and rejuvenation and celebration! Let it be so decreed, and let us make it happen! We are ashamed to let Antioch die! And We Shall Overcome! -- Mike On Jan 3, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Steven Duffy wrote: > Happy New Year to All. Folks on the chat line and elsewhere. > Friends, romans, countrywomyn and J. David Coldren.... > > Please consider one of yer New Year's resolutions to be that of > staying in touch and lending a hand to making us stronger. We need > so such help and in many forms.... > skillsets and dollar bills y'all. > > Maybe with the help of the masses we can be one of the more hopeful > stories of the year for 2008 in the field of higher education. > > Campus today is quiet and beautiful. We had a five inch snowfall > yesterday so we are having a Currier And Ives moment. Global > warming should hopefully kick back in by the weekend.. > and then this pretty white stuff should be gone. Since I commute > from Dayton I would prefer that it only snow on Saturdaze. > > The drive here yesterday was a little frazzling and later in the day > when a visiting researcher said " What a beautiful place you have > here"...I took the time to realize it..... > > Many of us just take it all for granted.....letting the day's > irritations take over...or other irritations. > > The visitor was doing a piece for an Ohio Art Journal about Bob > Whitmore....an art professor from back in da day and a local...... > > BTW if you were to visit and head to the Glen side of main building > you would find a flag flying..at half mast.....and unlike many more > cotidian places.....it is NOT the starz and stripes... > > it is an azure blue flag with a blue , green and white earth on it. > > Dunno why we fly it it instead of old glory.. Are we more > worldly? Is it because we belong to the set of six colleges that > make up the eco-league? Or is it because we are > treehuggers and peaceniks? And I haven't figured out or asked > why it is flying half-mast. Is it because of the College's current > sub-optimal condition or is it the world's > current sub-optimal condition? Either way it works for me I > guess. It makes me chortle......... > > reminds of my first Antioch catalog...there was a picture of the > Empire State bldg and text about the world being our campus...as a > New Yorker It worked for me..I thought ...oh.. a few weeks > in Ohio and then I can return to NY. And course..I did...my first > co-op was at the New York Times. > > and after that I went on co-op almost anywhere there was a palm > tree....and discovered NY was not the only place in the world. and > then set roots right cheer. > > and btw that front campus flag is just like the one that many of the > older peaceniks wave at traffic passing by on Route 68.....most > Saturday afternoons. > With large signs saying "Peace is patriotic" > > back to that earth flag and greening topic... > > I did do some of my Christmas shopping in YS..because I wanted to > stay outta the mall craziness......and YS seems a tad more sane that > many places. > > Downt0wn across from the bank there is a new store "living Green" > so I stopped there and bought energy saving light bulbs and water > aerators.... ah...gifts that keep > giving....at least as good as ties or old spice. > > Next door to "Living green" is a "Fair Trade Store". You hafta > know that many of the current slightly yuppy shops in YS from Living > Green, to Kismet, Ohio Sillver, The Winds and > such have come from the college's culture. > > Sprinter Term starts in about 12 days....... > > I hope it to be a good one. and not the only one........ > > Happy and Prosperopus New Year to all...and especially US. > > and come visit and take a stroll by that blue flag on Front Campus. > > Yours from a place where there are still many trees to hug. > > > > Duffy '77 > > Don't forget to visit Antiochians.org and the like > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Acalumboard mailing list > Acalumboard@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/acalumboard From dramamama at nyc.rr.com Fri Jan 4 10:09:41 2008 From: dramamama at nyc.rr.com (Robin Rice Lichtig) Date: Fri Jan 4 10:09:37 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antiochian (Ms.) Robin Rice Lichtig '64 Winner Of 2007 National Millennium Playwriting Contest In NYC USA! Message-ID: <002801c84ee3$d5103110$7f309330$@rr.com> Thanks for the publicity, Yazz! This prize comes with $$ and a production. Yahoo!! (Have to get the name of the play right though. It's HUMANS REMAIN -- with the "S" on the first word, not the second. Get it?) Excelsior! - Robin ************************************** For a blog about my recent amazing experience teaching playwriting in Mongolia, as well as details on gigs and available scripts see Robin Rice Lichtig at www.dramamama.net ************************************** "Eat your ice cream while it's on your plate. That's my philosophy." - Thornton Wilder From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Fri Jan 4 12:14:25 2008 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (YAZZ Allen) Date: Fri Jan 4 12:14:29 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antiochian (Ms.) Robin Rice Lichtig '64 Winner Of 2007 National Millennium Playwri In-Reply-To: <002801c84ee3$d5103110$7f309330$@rr.com> References: <002801c84ee3$d5103110$7f309330$@rr.com> Message-ID: January 4, 08 Hi Robin! Thanks for your kind message and correct me regarding the actual words in the HUMANS REMAIN title you wrote for your great, prize winning play! I'm urging all 500 actors who get my MOVIE ACTORS CO-OP NEWS email newsletter to attend....some live in NYC, very rich actors! I appealed to them pitching the low price for actors! Not elegant, but realistic! Below is an advanced (not completed) copy of MACO NEWS #191 set to go out Jan. 10, 08 which includes a HUMANS REMAIN story with the PROPER name of the title correctly presented! Keep up the good work! You really are a treasure and all Antiochians everywhere (esp. performing arts community members worldwide) are very proud of your great work and award! Best, Yazz (David) Allen '66 PS..........Copy of my MOVIE ACTORS CO-OP NEWS (MACO NEWS) #191 which urges actors to attend the Jan. 14, 08 Manhattan reading of your play upcoming, FYI! -------------------- Movie Actors Co-op NEWS #191 Jan. 10, 08 ..Movie actor work in Pittsburgh PA USA! Pittsburgh isn't far away! Actor hiring news from Pittsburgh PA USA! Movie Actors' Co-Op NEWS ("MACO NEWS") #191, January 10, 2008 Edition! Contact "Yazz" Allen, SAG Actor and Editor at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com To All Actors Everywhere: REGARDLESSoftimeangerdespairdoubtfearguiltturmoildiscomfortinconveniencediscouragementLIVE YOUR DREAM.NOW. MACO NEWS provides free information about available movie actor work on SAG Signatory Projects (mostly) which hire both union and non-union movie actors in the East Coast USA area south of NYC NY USA and north of Richmond VA USA. "MACO" is an initialism for "Movie Actors' Co-op." The MACO NEWS is published FREE four times monthly: news editions sent out on the 10th, 20th, and 30th day of each month, plus a monthly Updated Actors Resource Guide each month. Baltimore, MD/ Washington DC USA ------------- Mission Statement: The MACO NEWS is about jobs and work for Mid-Atlantic USA States actors, and offers practical advice and guidance about getting actor work locally and nearby (NYC NY USA, for instance). It's also about trends and "big picture" events and situations regional movie actors should know about and keep in mind. Special attention is paid to major Hollywood studio on-location shoots in the Mid-Atlantic USA states which hire Mid-Atlantic USA States movie actors. SAG signatory movies which hire both union and non-union actors. NOTE: Basic reference information re: area casting offices and other contacts and recent area movie history actors should know about is now sent SEPARATELY from the MACO NEWS and titled MACO NEWS ACTOR REFERENCE PACKAGE. This is done to keep the size of each MACO NEWS edition smaller. (If you need a copy of this, email me at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com). ------------------------- Four MACO NEWS editions monthly, just for YOU! News Editions published on the 10th, 20th, and 30th of each month along with an updated actors' resource guide in addition sometime in the month! From: "YAZZ" ALLEN. SAG Actor /Editor (The usual resume I always include...ego trip stuff from an actor...sorry, but I can't resist sending it with EVERY issue!) Phone: (717) 235 - 1982, Email: YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com Full resume on WWW.IMDb.Com ... input YAZZ ALLEN into search box on home page. Full resume also on I-Actor/ SAG.Org. Detailed illustrated resume available upon request. Resume also on NYCasting/ WWW.CastingNetworks.Com site. Recent YAZZ HOLLYWOOD STUDIO MOVIE/ NAT. TV CREDITS, FYI: --------------------------------------- Film WHAT HAPPENS IN VEGAS (2008 - Fox) w/ Cameron Diaz Michael Mulcaster, Wall St. Millionaire 20th Cent. Fox/ Tom Vaughn, Director BODY OF LIES (2008 WarnerBros)w/ Leonardo Dicaprio Jan Van Der Becyk, Amsterdam Holland Businessman Warner Bros./Sir Ridley Scott, Director JOHN ADAMS (2008 HBO -7 Pt Series)w/ Paul Giamatti US Sen. John Howard of MD at G. Washington Inaug. HBO Nat. TV/ Tom Hooper, Director THE WIRE (2008 HBO - 5TH Season) Episodes 501-506 John Karyus, Balto. SUN (MD) Newspaper Copy Editor HBO Nat. TV/ 6 Different Directors SHOOTER (2007 Paramount) w/ Mark Wahlberg Bill James, Sec. Svs. Agent Protecting USA Pres. Paramount/ Antoine Fuqua, Director KNIGHTS OF PROSPERITY (2007 Disney-ABC Nat. TV) William Martin, Comedy Club Patron Disney-ABC National TV/ Rob Burnett, Director ENCHANTED (2007 Disney) starring Amy Adams Peter Rogers, Upscale Manhatten Businessman Disney/ Kevin Lima, Director THE INVASION (2007 Warner Bros.) w/ Nicole Kidman Richard Watson, Washington DC Business Man Warner Brothers, Oliver Hirschbiegel, Director FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS (2006 Warner Bros.) Capt. Jeffrey Black, US Marines (Iwo Jima) Warner Bros./ Clint Eastwood, Director STEP UP (2006 Disney) starring Rachel Griffiths Winston Adams, Julliard Sch. Admissions Scout Disney/ Anne Fletcher, Director SYRIANA (2006 Warner Bros.)starring George Clooney Robert Ayres, Cent. Int. Agy (CIA) Division Chief Warner Bros./ Stephen Gaghan, Director THE SENTINEL (2006 Fox) starring Michael Douglas Paul Harris, Washington DC Mall Tourist Twentieth Century Fox/ Clark Johnson, Director TRIPLE X: STATE OF THE UNION (2006 Columbia) Michael Bond, Brit. Diplomat @ USA Pres. Speech Columbia Pictures/ Lee Tamahori, Director WEDDING CRASHERS (2005 Warner Bros.)w/Owen Wilson James Thackery, Socialite Wedding Guest Warner Bros./ David Dobkin, Director SOMETHING THE LORD MADE (2005 HBO) w/ Alan Rickman Dr. Michael Hill, MD, J. Hopkins U. Med. Sch. inst HBO Movie, Joseph Sargent, Director THE SERVICE (2005 ABC TV Pilot) Philip Morrison, US Secret Service Supervisor/ ABC Network TV Pilot/ Clark Johnson, Director THE WIRE (2005 HBO -3rd Season) w/ Adam West Pete Parker, Baltimore (MD) Orioles Baseball Fan HBO Cable TV Series WEST WING (2005 NBC) w/ Martin Sheen Allain d'Breton, Gourmet Chef To USA President NBC Network TV Series HEADLINES: 1. Recent Movie Actor Hiring Activity in PITTSBURGH PA USA reported by Philly PA based SAG Newsletter, FYI! (Details) Nancy Mosser Casting of Pittsburgh PA USA handled principal casting for Miramax?s Adventureland which shot in December 2007, last month. Nancy Mosser reports that eight local SAG actors landed principal roles in this film that shot in the Pittsburgh area. She also cast Pittsburgh voice-over talent for one of Pennsylvania?s new lottery ads.The supermarket chain Giant Eagle shot their new ad campaign under SAG contract, employing nine principal performers. The spots are expected to air this winter throughout the tri-state area of Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Ohio.And turning the tables on runaway production: Mosser supplied four principals for a Gatorade commercial shot in Canada and featuring Pittsburgh Penguins? star Sidney Crosby. Donna Belajac Casting also cast for Gatorade ? 10 principals and 40 SAG background actors. The Gatorade campaign features sports celebrities from hockey, baseball, basketball, football and NASCAR.Donna Belajac Casting is doing the honors on Homecoming, a SAG low-budget feature being produced by Paper Street Films. The office expects to fill nine principal roles, and the film is slated to star Misha Barton (The O.C.). --------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Contents Chapters from Yazz Allen's NEW (Terrific) Book titled MOVIE ACTORS HISTORY! (Details) Actor friends have asked me for details about an "in-progress" book I'm writing for the edification of all actors everywhere! Here is a list of Chapter Titles of completed chapters for that book, FYI! Thanks, Yazz. -------------------- MOVIE ACTORS HISTORY: Highlights Every Movie Actor Should Know (2008 From: Yazz Allen's NO INK/ NO PAPER PUBLISHING COMPANY! "We provide content and design/ YOU provide ink, paper, and binding and money to us for contents WE provide!") ---- CONTENTS FOR MOVIE ACTORS' HISTORY (Sent In Three Parts): --------------------- In Part One: ---------------------- 1. One Hundred Greatest Movie Character Roles Of All Time ------------------------------------------ 2. One Hundred Best FEMALE CHARACTER ROLES (note.... NOT "Performances"...."Roles" is about writing, not acting) In Movie History ------------------------------------------- 3. One Hundred Greatest Lines Spoken By Actors In Movie History! ----------- 4. "Legends of Hollywood" (Actors) Honored On US Postage Stamps as of 2007! ------------------ 5. Greatest LAST Lines (at the End Of the Film) In Movie History! ---- 6. Best Film Speeches And Monologues In History UP TO 1969! In Part Two: 7. 100 Best Movie Actor Performances 8. Best Movie Actor Speeches and Monologues, Part Two: 1968 to Present 9. Greatest Movie Mis-Quotes List 10. Best Foreign Films List In Part Three 11. Best USA Movies List from Library Of Congress 12. Great Taglines (Used To Sell Movies!) 13. Great Brief Film Quotes ------------------------------------------------------ 3. Jan. 13, 08 Monday NYC Stage Reading Near Times Square Actors (who bring headshots/resumes to drop off) Invited To For ONLY $5! (Details) New York/ Philly area movie actors should stay in touch with the stay/ theatre scene in Manhattan! Here's a chance to do it Mon. Jan. 13 near Times Square for ONLY $5!................ (Ms.) Robin RIce Lichtig '64 has won the 2007 National Millennium Playwriting Contest for her play titled HUMANS REMAIN. A staged reading the of the play will be held on Monday, January 14, 2008 in Manhattan, New York City, NY USA at the 45th Street Theatre off of world famous Times Square. Here are details about the staged reading from a SteppingStone Theatre Company press release announcement regarding the event: "SteppingStone Theatre Company proudly presents the winner of the 2007National Millennium Playwrighting Contest: HUMANS REMAIN by Robin RiceLichtig. SteppingStone received over 100 new plays throughout thecontinental United States and abroad. Robin Rice Lichtig, the winner ofthe "Millennium Playwrighting Contest of 2007, has created a thrilling andprovoking new American play. "Mon, Jan 14, 6:30pm - 9:00pm45th Street Theatre, 354 West 45th Street (btwn 8th & 9th Aves)"A staged reading of HUMANS REMAIN will be directed by acclaimed actoranddirector Stephen McKinley Henderson and performed by KerisseHutchinson,Jeffrey Kitrosser, Amina Henry, Kimberlyn Crawford, Clinton Lowe, JoshBakerVink, Stephanie Shipp, Marinda Anderson and Gregory McCay. "Wine Reception: 6:30pm. Performance: 7:00pm. Admission: $15. Call for Reservations: 1(800) 868-4444. "Online Reservations:www.Smarttix.com Discount Code: (NMPC) - $5 off. Actor Discount: Present Headshot & Resume at the door for a $10discount." ----------------------------------------- 4. NEW YORK CITY FILM/ TV SAG SIGNATORY PROJECTS NOW HIRING ACTORS! (Reported by NYCasting.Com between Jan. 1-10, 2008) Project Name: Lipstick Jungle Project Type: Film & TV Format: Rate/Compensation: Message: Role Role Type Gender/Age/Ethnicities Description/Note perps Background Actors Male / 18 to 40 / All Ethnicities, AfricanAm, Am-Indian, Asian, Caucasian, East-Ind, Hispanic, MidEastern, Mixed, PacificIsland Portaying people that have just been arrested --------------------- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or WWW.NYCasting.Com. > From: dramamama@nyc.rr.com> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antiochian (Ms.) Robin Rice Lichtig '64 Winner Of 2007 National Millennium Playwriting Contest In NYC USA!> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:09:41 -0500> > Thanks for the publicity, Yazz! This prize comes with $$ and a production.> Yahoo!! (Have to get the name of the play right though. It's HUMANS REMAIN> -- with the "S" on the first word, not the second. Get it?) Excelsior! -> Robin > > **************************************> For a blog about my recent amazing experience teaching playwriting in> Mongolia, as well as details on gigs and available scripts see Robin Rice> Lichtig at www.dramamama.net> **************************************> "Eat your ice cream while it's on your plate. That's my philosophy." -> Thornton Wilder> > > > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista? + Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008 From davidallenusa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 7 13:20:09 2008 From: davidallenusa at yahoo.com (YAZZ ALLEN) Date: Mon Jan 7 13:20:12 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch's 1960's GOOD REPUTATION Told in Burton Clark's THE DISTINCTIVE COLLEGE (1969) Message-ID: <907020.52933.qm@web52006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jan. 7, 08 Hi from Yazz (David) Allen '66 (Email: YazzAllen@Yahoo.com) Here's a review I wrote about a book which praised Antioch, and is STILL for sale from Amazon.Com 30 years after it was published. I wrote 34 book reviews for Amazon.Com and if you go to GOOGLE.COM and use DAVID ROGER ALLEN as a search term, you get to read this and the other 33 reviews! The Distinctive College : Antioch, Reed and Swarthmore (Foundations of Higher Education) by Burton R. Clark Edition: Paperback Price: $29.95 Availability: Usually ships in 4 to 6 weeks 17 of 21 people found the following review helpful: ANTIOCH COLLEGE: STILL AMERICA'S MOST INTERESTING SCHOOL, June 7, 2001 In the 1960's, Burton R. Clark wrote THE DISTINCTIVE COLLEGE: ANTIOCH, REED, AND SWARTHMORE. His highly influential book was a best seller of the times which argued, intelligently, that consumers seeking higher liberal arts education do well to avoid "me-too" and "wanna-be" accredited higher ed diploma mills in favor of "distinctive" colleges. Such places, he stated, are known not only for distinguished, high accomplishment, high energy alumni, but also for being genuinely "interesting and distinctive," populated by obviously dynamic and intellectually articulate and outspoken undergraduates. Clark also suggested other guideposts and evidences of "distinctive," meant in a positive, desireable sense. His book was regarded as very important in a time of high intellectual ferment and soul searching in America, and in the world, generally. It deserved to be. Of the three "ideal" colleges examined, Clark's obvious favorite was Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio, 60 miles north of Cincinnati. The famous school was founded in 1852 by Massachusetts intellectual rebels in the decade prior to the American Civil War of 1861-65, and intended as an alternative to establishment schools of the times, especially Harvard. Horace Mann, then a U.S. congressman, was chosen to serve as Antioch's first president (1852-1859). Prior to his congressional service, Mann had set up the first widespread public education system in the USA (in Massachusetts), and became known as the "father of American public education." Interestingly, his successor, a Dr. Hill, served only briefly as Antioch president before being selected to become president at Harvard in Massachusetts, the school Antioch had been set up to improve upon. The establishment of Antioch College in Ohio was a national pre-Civil War event, reported in the New York Times and all across the USA, then less than 100 years old. Over the following 149 years (I write this in June, 2001), the New York Times was to devote a great deal of coverage to Antioch College (several pages of the current print version of the NYT Index are devoted to Antioch) as the school repeatedly called attention to itself, its students, and the proposition that higher education in America is not a dull subject. Love it or hate it, no-one could deny that Antioch College in Ohio has always been an "interesting" school, and being "interesting," argued Dr. Clark in the 1960's, is the first and most important quality of "the distinctive college." Now, the advice of sage Chinese (which is not all of them) on the subjecting of "being interesting" is reflected in a famous Chinese curse which, roughly translated, is "May you be born in interesting times." What does this tell us about "interesting" colleges? One thing it tells us, by implication, is that any truly "interesting" college is going to experience rough, controversial, and highly risky times, and is likely to be subjected not only to praise and high regard (of the type delivered to Antioch College by Dr. Burton Clark in the 1960's), but also to criticism, unfair and untrue defamation, and even physical attacks. Antioch College in Ohio has experienced all of these, certainly in much higher quantities than the other two "distinctive" colleges mentioned in the title of Clark's book, Reed and Swarthmore (both far quieter, and, one might conclude, less "interesting" places than Antioch). But like another uniquely American institution, the Mississppi River, Antioch College in Ohio still "keeps rolling along." It's been up (was one of America's most prestigious colleges in the 1950's and 1960's), and it's been down (following problems in the mid-1970's, its prestige dropped quite a bit for a temporary period, then returned in the late 1980's), but it's never been out. A book devoted only to reprints of New York Times coverage of Antioch College in Ohio over 149 years would make interesting reading, and would as well be an important comment on American higher education at its best. ---- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my movie actor photos and recent credits at WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor, "WWW.CastingNetworks.Com. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From davidallenusa at yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 10:33:29 2008 From: davidallenusa at yahoo.com (YAZZ ALLEN) Date: Tue Jan 8 10:33:33 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Peg Bracken, Antioch '40, author of best seller I HATE TO COOK BOOK writes about old age as a comedy experience! Message-ID: <102348.26554.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jan. 8, 08 Hi from Yazz (David) Allen '66 (Email me at: YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com): Peg Bracken, Antioch College, Ohio '40 is about 90 years old these days if she's still with us (I hope she is....I was in email contact with her about 5 years ago, and she described a relatively recent stop-by visit to Antioch in Ohio trip she made and her reactions to how things had changed since her pre-WWII times as a teen at Antoch). When she and I were in contact, she lived in Oregon with her husband. As many Antiochians know, Peg Bracken '40 was (and is) the author of one of the best selling humor books of the 20th century titled THE I HATE TO COOK BOOK, written and widely discussed in the 1960's. Peg didn't choose to "go gentle into that good night" (see Dylan Thomas' poem about that he wrote to his father urging his Dad NOT to "go gentle into that good night"). She wrote a terrific humor book about old age as a comedy experience, and I reviewed it for Amazon.Com. I mentioned Peg's status as an Antiochian of fame. Those who engage in public writing like me about people part of Antioch can use the occasion as an excuse to boost and publicize and enthuse about Antioch College........it's a good way to get the old school back on it's feet and "going" again........a job which always needs doing and has since 1852, it seems! Here's my Peg Brack old age book review from Amazon.Com, FYI (see all 34 Amazon.Com book reviews I wrote by inputting DAVID ROGER ALLEN as a "reviewer" search term on the Amazon.Com website or the Google.Com site): ---------------- On Getting Old for the First Time by Peg Bracken Edition: Hardcover Availability: Currently unavailable 51 of 52 people found the following review helpful: LIKE FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT, PEG BRACKEN STILL ACHIEVES AT 80+!, February 16, 2001 Peg Bracken (Mrs. John Ohman of Portland, Oregon), renowned author of THE I HATE TO COOK BOOK and ten other equally worthwhile published works, is now past age 80, and like Frank Lloyd Wright, still working full time at what she does best, satiric essay writing with a homespun yet bitingly witty edge. Ms. Bracken is a 1940 graduate of Ohio's famous Antioch College, one of the world's most important and individualistic higher education centers. Peg Bracken is certainly a daughter of Antioch, individualistic, outspoken, charming, and intelligent in ways disarming, yet very easy to relate to and admire. The subject of her latest book is Old Age, and she writes about her subject in her well known humorous way in almost a journalistic style. Her writing about her personal experiences as an "Older Person" is what the American Association For Retired Persons magazine should offer, but, sadly, never does. It is relevant, poignant, and filled with important observations skillfully cradled in diplomatic and humane style, always self-deprecating and fraught with wit and humor created by a person obviously born with a gift in those areas. Peg Bracken really covers her subject in almost all areas one could wish and does so in only 125 pages, happily presented in readable, larger than average typeface, ideal for comfortable reading and reflecting. I read the first chapter of ON GETTING OLD FOR THE FIRST TIME in a Cockeysville, Maryland (suburban Baltimore) public library, and found myself laughing out loud so noisily that the usually tolerant librarians on duty were forced to make several visits to my reading location, and ask me to quiet down. I really did try to accommodate them, but Peg Bracken's wit is so astonishing and infectious, I finally realized that, for me, her book would only be readable in a non-public location. It's too funny for public library located consumption. This said, it should be noted her subject matter is very serious, and the implied conclusions raised by her intelligent writing constitute the best food for thought I've ever read by any author, ancient or modern, on the subject of Old Age. Get this book and read it. Buy it. Keep it at home, and re-read it again and again over the years. Encourage your local public library system, nursing homes, retirement communities, and booksellers to stock multiple copies at all times, and to publicize it continuously. This modest little book is a classic, and though the self-effacing Ms. Bracken would likely be the first to deny it, a true work of genious. In today's world, we need all the genious and wisdom we can get, especially on the subject of Old Age. ---- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my movie actor photos and recent credits at WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor, "WWW.CastingNetworks.Com. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From fbb6 at columbia.edu Tue Jan 8 10:45:30 2008 From: fbb6 at columbia.edu (Freda B Birnbaum) Date: Tue Jan 8 10:45:33 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Peg Bracken, Antioch '40, author of best seller I HATE TO COOK BOOK writes about old age as a comedy experience! In-Reply-To: <102348.26554.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <102348.26554.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, YAZZ ALLEN wrote: > Peg Bracken, Antioch College, Ohio '40 is about 90 years old these days > if she's still with us (I hope she is....I was in email contact with her > about 5 years ago, and she described a relatively recent stop-by visit > to Antioch in Ohio trip she made and her reactions to how things had > changed since her pre-WWII times as a teen at Antoch). When she and I > were in contact, she lived in Oregon with her husband. [etc.] Sad to say, she died within the last few months; I saw an obituary in the New York Times. I love her stuff. She has a fabulously funny one called _The I Hate to Cook Almanack: Peg Bracken's Book of Days_, circa 1976. I know the feeling of being kicked out of the library for laughing too hard! The book on old age seems to be out of print -- we need to bring it back! Freda Bluestone Birnbaum, '65 From Bwpurplewins at cs.com Tue Jan 8 10:52:54 2008 From: Bwpurplewins at cs.com (Bwpurplewins@cs.com) Date: Tue Jan 8 10:53:27 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Peg Bracken, Antioch '40, author of best seller I HATE TO COOK BOOK writesabout old age as a comedy experience! Message-ID: <48411BBD.28A80763.15C6709E@cs.com> Peg Bracken died in 07. Her obits mentioned she was a graduate of Antioch College. Barbara Winslow AC3 AB '68 YAZZ ALLEN wrote: >Jan. 8, 08 > > ?Hi from Yazz (David) Allen '66 (Email me at: YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com): > > ?Peg Bracken, Antioch College, Ohio '40 is about 90 years old these days if she's still with us (I hope she is....I was in email contact with her about 5 years ago, and she described a relatively recent stop-by visit to Antioch in Ohio trip she made and her reactions to how things had changed since her pre-WWII times as a teen at Antoch). ? When she and I were in contact, she lived in Oregon with her husband. > > ?As many Antiochians know, Peg Bracken '40 was (and is) the author of one of the best selling humor books of the 20th century titled THE I HATE TO COOK BOOK, ? written and widely discussed in the 1960's. > > ?Peg didn't choose to "go gentle into that good night" (see Dylan Thomas' poem about that he wrote to his father urging his Dad NOT to "go gentle into that good night"). > > ?She wrote a terrific humor book about old age as a comedy experience, and I reviewed it for Amazon.Com. > > ?I mentioned Peg's status as an Antiochian of fame. ?Those who engage in public writing like me about people part of Antioch can use the occasion as an excuse to boost and publicize and enthuse about Antioch College........it's a good way to get the old school back on it's feet and "going" again........a job which always needs doing and has since 1852, it seems! > > ?Here's my Peg Brack old age book review from Amazon.Com, FYI (see all 34 Amazon.Com book reviews I wrote by inputting DAVID ROGER ALLEN as a "reviewer" search term on the Amazon.Com website or the Google.Com site): > > ?---------------- > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?On Getting Old for the First Time ? ? by Peg Bracken >Edition: Hardcover ? ?Availability: Currently unavailable > ? ? ? ? ? ? 51 of 52 people found the following review helpful: > > > ?LIKE FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT, PEG BRACKEN STILL ACHIEVES AT 80+!, February 16, 2001 > > > ?Peg Bracken (Mrs. John Ohman of Portland, Oregon), renowned author of THE I HATE TO COOK BOOK and ten other equally worthwhile published works, is now past age 80, and like Frank Lloyd Wright, still working full time at what she does best, satiric essay writing with a homespun yet bitingly witty edge. > > > ?Ms. Bracken is a 1940 graduate of Ohio's famous Antioch College, one of the world's most important and individualistic higher education centers. Peg Bracken is certainly a daughter of Antioch, individualistic, outspoken, charming, and intelligent in ways disarming, yet very easy to relate to and admire. > > > ?The subject of her latest book is Old Age, and she writes about her subject in her well known humorous way in almost a journalistic style. Her writing about her personal experiences as an "Older Person" is what the American Association For Retired Persons magazine should offer, but, sadly, never does. It is relevant, poignant, and filled with important observations skillfully cradled in diplomatic and humane style, always self-deprecating and fraught with wit and humor created by a person obviously born with a gift in those areas. > > > ?Peg Bracken really covers her subject in almost all areas one could wish and does so in only 125 pages, happily presented in readable, larger than average typeface, ideal for comfortable reading and reflecting. I read the first chapter of ON GETTING OLD FOR THE FIRST TIME in a Cockeysville, Maryland (suburban Baltimore) public library, and found myself laughing out loud so noisily that the usually tolerant librarians on duty were forced to make several visits to my reading location, and ask me to quiet down. > > > ?I really did try to accommodate them, but Peg Bracken's wit is so astonishing and infectious, I finally realized that, for me, her book would only be readable in a non-public location. It's too funny for public library located consumption. > > > ?This said, it should be noted her subject matter is very serious, and the implied conclusions raised by her intelligent writing constitute the best food for thought I've ever read by any author, ancient or modern, on the subject of Old Age. > > > ?Get this book and read it. Buy it. Keep it at home, and re-read it again and again over the years. Encourage your local public library system, nursing homes, retirement communities, and booksellers to stock multiple copies at all times, and to publicize it continuously. > > > > ?This modest little book is a classic, and though the self-effacing Ms. Bracken would likely be the first to deny it, a true work of genious. In today's world, we need all the genious and wisdom we can get, especially on the subject of Old Age. > > > > > > > ?---- > ? ?Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...phone (717) 235 - 1982! > > ?See my movie actor photos and recent credits at WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) ?IMDb RESUME. ?Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor, "WWW.CastingNetworks.Com. > > > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. ?Try it now. >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Tue Jan 8 11:40:56 2008 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (YAZZ Allen) Date: Tue Jan 8 11:40:59 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Use Amazon.Com used book sales service or Inter-Library Loan services at public and/or academic libr In-Reply-To: References: <102348.26554.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jan. 8, 08 Hi from Yazz (David) Allen '66 (Email me at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com): Thanks to Freda Bluestone '65 (I knew Freda in the early 60's and remember her by her maiden name) for the update and news about Peg Brackern's passing. RIP, Peg! Her books live on, including out of print ones. WWW.Amazon.Com sells used books with amazing efficiency at astonishingly low prices. When they say a used book is available for 99 cents plus (not much) postage, they mean it. You have to use a credit card (I avoid doing that unless I'm forced to...always send a money order for Internet purchases of anything). But the goods get delivered in days, including PEG BRACKEN's great books, esp. the Old Age book. ALSO, remember that public and academic libraries, while definitely dying, are NOT dead (yet), and "Inter Library Loan" services are still available, though increasingly, one has to explain to reference desk librarians what that is, and maybe insist on talking to a library supervisor on duty when the Reference Librarians states she or he "never heard of something called "Inter-Library Loan.'" It's free and it works, though slowly. Again, sad to hear of Peg's passing. She was a great lady, and her legacy of published humor and wisdom will go on for centures, no doubt. A gread Antiochian, for sure. Best, Yazz Allen '6 --------------------- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or WWW.NYCasting.Com. > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:45:30 -0500> From: fbb6@columbia.edu> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Peg Bracken, Antioch '40, author of best seller I HATE TO COOK BOOK writes about old age as a comedy experience!> CC: fbb6@columbia.edu> > On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, YAZZ ALLEN wrote:> > > Peg Bracken, Antioch College, Ohio '40 is about 90 years old these days > > if she's still with us (I hope she is....I was in email contact with her > > about 5 years ago, and she described a relatively recent stop-by visit > > to Antioch in Ohio trip she made and her reactions to how things had > > changed since her pre-WWII times as a teen at Antoch). When she and I > > were in contact, she lived in Oregon with her husband.> > [etc.]> > Sad to say, she died within the last few months; I saw an obituary in the > New York Times.> > I love her stuff. She has a fabulously funny one called _The I Hate to > Cook Almanack: Peg Bracken's Book of Days_, circa 1976. I know the > feeling of being kicked out of the library for laughing too hard!> > The book on old age seems to be out of print -- we need to bring it back!> > Freda Bluestone Birnbaum, '65> _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 From robinsimons at yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 12:11:39 2008 From: robinsimons at yahoo.com (Robin Simons) Date: Tue Jan 8 12:11:42 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Use Amazon.Com used book sales service or Inter-Library Loan services at public and/or academic libr In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <815570.47051.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > ALSO, remember that public and academic libraries, > while definitely dying, are NOT dead (yet), and > "Inter Library Loan" services are still available, > though increasingly, one has to explain to reference > desk librarians what that is, and maybe insist on > talking to a library supervisor on duty when the > Reference Librarians states she or he "never heard > of something called "Inter-Library Loan.'" > > It's free and it works, though slowly. I don't think you can blanketly say that libraries are dying, Yazz. They are pretty healthy here in the Midwest, in spite of their need for more funding. (I volunteer at one and am thinking about going back to school for library science.) and we do interlibrary loans every day in the Illinois library systems. In fact we offer them, if the book is not in the library currently. I'm sorry you had a poor experience at a library but not all librarians are stupid, like you are making them out to be. Robin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Tue Jan 8 14:44:22 2008 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (YAZZ Allen) Date: Tue Jan 8 14:44:25 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Do Non-Ohio Antioch University locations own and operate "Antioch" libraries at all? In-Reply-To: <815570.47051.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <815570.47051.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jan. 8, 08 Hi from Yazz (David) Allen '66 (Email me at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com): Thanks to Robin Simons for comments about libraries. With respect, I strongly disagree that things are OK with libraries these days. I earned a Master's Degree in Library Sci. at the U. of MD (College Park) 20 years ago and was elected to the Beta Phi Mu International Library Science Honor Society (the Phi Beta Kappa for the Library Science field). I worked as an Intern at the Library of Congress (Manuscript Division), met personally with the then Library of Congress, James Billington (he's still there, I think). Things are BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD in the library world, trust me. I could provide a laundry list of symptoms and clear evidence about all this, but it would be depressing and likely not change much. Contact me at the above personal email site, and I'll do it if you like. Do the Antioch University non-Ohio locations have libaries at all? Where do people who get "Antioch degrees" from these places go for library research, etc.? One of the BIG holes in the current mania for University Of Phoenix type schools is precisely that these places seldom or never had OK libraries and don't apologize a big about that. Damn! I send this message from the computer station at the Shrewsbury PA USA 17361 public library! I use and love libraries, but...................things are black re: libraries, and it's important to learn why. Thanks to Robin for his/her kind message about libraries. And DO get Peg Bracken's great book about old age. It's wonderful. RIP, Peg '40! Best, Yazz (David) Allen '66 -------------------- --------------------- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or WWW.NYCasting.Com. > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:11:39 -0800> From: robinsimons@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Use Amazon.Com used book sales service or Inter-Library Loan services at public and/or academic libr> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> > > > > > ALSO, remember that public and academic libraries,> > while definitely dying, are NOT dead (yet), and> > "Inter Library Loan" services are still available,> > though increasingly, one has to explain to reference> > desk librarians what that is, and maybe insist on> > talking to a library supervisor on duty when the> > Reference Librarians states she or he "never heard> > of something called "Inter-Library Loan.'"> > > > It's free and it works, though slowly.> > I don't think you can blanketly say that libraries are> dying, Yazz. They are pretty healthy here in the> Midwest, in spite of their need for more funding. (I> volunteer at one and am thinking about going back to> school for library science.) and we do interlibrary> loans every day in the Illinois library systems. In> fact we offer them, if the book is not in the library> currently.> > I'm sorry you had a poor experience at a library but> not all librarians are stupid, like you are making> them out to be.> > > > > Robin> > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Watch ?Cause Effect,? a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause From pas0705 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 10:37:49 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Wed Jan 9 10:37:51 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Student Trustees wanted" (see how other places do it?!?!) Message-ID: <270029.18629.qm@web63913.mail.re1.yahoo.com> At Ohio State; via the OSU Lantern: http://media.www.thelantern.com/media/storage/paper333/news/2008/01/09/Campus/Student.Trustees.Wanted-3148155.shtml The Student Trustee Selection Committee is accepting applications for the graduate and professional student position on the Ohio State Board of Trustees. "The student trustees at Ohio State, while they are the only nonvoting member of the board, are fully involved in all board meetings including executive session," said David Frantz, secretary of the board. There are two student trustees at OSU, one undergraduate student and one graduate or professional student. They are responsible for representing the citizens of Ohio and providing a student perspective to the discussions and decisions at the board level, said Christopher Alvarez-Breckenridge, the current graduate student trustee. His term ends in May. Alvarez-Breckenridge, a medical and doctoral student, said the student trustees serve two-year terms and are chosen through a process that begins with a written application and ends with an appointment by the governor. The 2008 applications are being accepted from graduate or professional students who have at least two years left at OSU. The student trustee positions require a huge time commitment and applicants must have a strong work ethic, good articulation and the ability to absorb information quickly, Frantz said. They also must be willing and able to work on behalf of the institution to make OSU the best university it can be. The written application is about five pages long and is reviewed by the Student Trustee Selection Committee, which is made up of student government presidents and other appointed students, said Debra Van Camp, a junior in food science and nutrition and agribusiness and applied economics and is the current undergraduate student trustee. The selection committee interviews 10 to 12 students and then chooses five applications to be forwarded to the governor's office, she said. Then, there are more interviews and the governor's office eventually makes the appointment. Alvarez-Breckenridge said that although the application process is long it should not discourage students from applying because it is a great learning experience in how OSU operates and fits into the context of the state of Ohio. Alvarez-Breckenridge said serving as a student trustee has taught him many valuable lessons he will take with him long after his term ends. "It was a tremendously worthwhile experience," he said. "I found that being on the Board of Trustees (and) the things that you learn in that setting percolate through not just your position as a student trustee, but essentially all aspects of your life." Anyone interested in applying for the student trustee position should download the application at www.trustees.osu.edu. Applications are due Jan. 25. Lindsay Betz can be reached at betz.49@osu.edu. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 12:54:03 2008 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (YAZZ Allen) Date: Wed Jan 9 12:54:06 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Student Trustees" at Antioch? Don't we ALREADY have enough trouble with ADULT, College Grad Trust In-Reply-To: <270029.18629.qm@web63913.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <270029.18629.qm@web63913.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jan. 9, 08 Hi from Yazz (David) Allen '66 (Email me directly at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com): I don't think having any student trustees at all, even non-voting ones, is a good idea. Antioch College has had terrible trouble with bad trustee decisions since 1975 when Trustee Chairman Larry Pearl '55 publically fired Dr. Jim Dixon '38, Antioch College's last high-quality president (people who rightly identify the 60's and early 70's as "The Golden Age Of Antioch College in the 20th Century" can't logically buy into the unwarranted scapegoating of Dr. Dixon as the guy who caused Antioch's decline after he left.....the last time Antioch was truly a national school with a positive worldwide reputation was under his watch...he was very good, defamation of him after he left was self-interested and ignores the fact that Antioch was in very good shape under his long and reliable leadership where he faced eye-crossing decisions and, all said and done, didn't come out badly doing what he did). The big problem Antioch College faces now (2008) is somehow getting good people to join the Trustees so good on-the-payroll leadership can be recruited and retained. The grossly idiotic and outrageous (hyperbolic way of putting it, I admit, but soooooooooooo true!) decision of the Antioch U. Board Of Trustees to shut Antioch College down completely in June 2008 reflects....well....LOW quality in the thinking and decision making of the then current Trustees (most still there, still in charge). The hiring of Dr. Steve Lawry, now mercifully (for Antioch's sake) departed, is yet another recent example of "lack of quality at the VERY top." Lawry wasn't a good Antioch College President, a good choice for President, and he shouldn't have been hired in the first place, just as Antioch College should have been threatened by it's own Trustees with closedown in July 2008. But back to students being part of the Trustees!............... We don't need kids (which people not yet finished with college all are, bless 'em) to be part of what already is a mess. Let the Antioch College Community Manager be a periodic visitor to some (not all, and maybe not any) Board Of Trustees meetings, and have communications with Board members who need input re: what's going with students, etc., etc. That's enough. It is so very important NOT to let ideals of democracy and "including everybody and all voices" further screw up the already doubtful system of selection of Trustees for Antioch College. We need (and haven't had in a LONG time) smart, worthy people as Trustees. Some people shouldn't be invited to the table as concerns Trustee selection, and children not yet finished college with not much experience with "Life after college" are not likely good candidates for trustee memberships. It's time to get sober about Antioch College leadership, especially as it concerns the Trustees, who should solve Antioch College's problems, and NOT cause big problems, as has been the case often since 1975. Best wishes always, Yazz (David) Allen '66 --------------------- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or WWW.NYCasting.Com. > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 07:37:49 -0800> From: pas0705@yahoo.com> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Student Trustees wanted" (see how other places do it?!?!)> > At Ohio State; via the OSU Lantern:> http://media.www.thelantern.com/media/storage/paper333/news/2008/01/09/Campus/Student.Trustees.Wanted-3148155.shtml> > The Student Trustee Selection Committee is accepting> applications for the graduate and professional student position> on the Ohio State Board of Trustees.> > "The student trustees at Ohio State, while they are the only> nonvoting member of the board, are fully involved in all board> meetings including executive session," said David Frantz,> secretary of the board.> > There are two student trustees at OSU, one undergraduate student> and one graduate or professional student. They are responsible> for representing the citizens of Ohio and providing a student> perspective to the discussions and decisions at the board level,> said Christopher Alvarez-Breckenridge, the current graduate> student trustee. His term ends in May.> > Alvarez-Breckenridge, a medical and doctoral student, said the> student trustees serve two-year terms and are chosen through a> process that begins with a written application and ends with an> appointment by the governor.> > The 2008 applications are being accepted from graduate or> professional students who have at least two years left at OSU.> > The student trustee positions require a huge time commitment and> applicants must have a strong work ethic, good articulation and> the ability to absorb information quickly, Frantz said. They> also must be willing and able to work on behalf of the> institution to make OSU the best university it can be.> > The written application is about five pages long and is reviewed> by the Student Trustee Selection Committee, which is made up of> student government presidents and other appointed students, said> Debra Van Camp, a junior in food science and nutrition and> agribusiness and applied economics and is the current> undergraduate student trustee.> > The selection committee interviews 10 to 12 students and then> chooses five applications to be forwarded to the governor's> office, she said. Then, there are more interviews and the> governor's office eventually makes the appointment.> > Alvarez-Breckenridge said that although the application process> is long it should not discourage students from applying because> it is a great learning experience in how OSU operates and fits> into the context of the state of Ohio.> > Alvarez-Breckenridge said serving as a student trustee has> taught him many valuable lessons he will take with him long> after his term ends.> > "It was a tremendously worthwhile experience," he said. "I found> that being on the Board of Trustees (and) the things that you> learn in that setting percolate through not just your position> as a student trustee, but essentially all aspects of your life."> > Anyone interested in applying for the student trustee position> should download the application at www.trustees.osu.edu.> Applications are due Jan. 25.> > Lindsay Betz can be reached at betz.49@osu.edu.> > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping> _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista? + Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008 From killoran at uiuc.edu Wed Jan 9 13:04:46 2008 From: killoran at uiuc.edu (Amy Killoran) Date: Wed Jan 9 13:04:49 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2 Message-ID: <20080109120446.BAS28964@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> >> ALSO, remember that public and academic libraries, >> while definitely dying, FYI Generation Y biggest user of libraries http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2849864420071230?sp=true Amy Killoran '97 Reference Coordinator Education and Social Science Library University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign From pas0705 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 13:16:20 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Wed Jan 9 13:16:23 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Student Trustees" at Antioch? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <785107.77595.qm@web63902.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Instead of arguing the 'immaturity' of our current students (at least one of whom has actively sat on the board of another major US organization), perhaps you could instead ask yourself this basic question: if we HAD student trustees on the board, would the situation have gotten to be so bad? Would the board have been so disconnected that some would reportedly gather and laugh over drinks in the bar the evening they voted to close the college? And of course you also have your implicit statement that somehow OSU students are in some way more suited in participating in their governing bodies then Antioch College students?!?!? -laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From edk at homesickblues.com Wed Jan 9 13:18:57 2008 From: edk at homesickblues.com (Ed M Koziarski) Date: Wed Jan 9 13:19:23 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Respect the students In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Antioch College?s core philosophy of experiential learning and community governance is based on the belief that Antioch students are not children, but young adults responsible for engaging in their community and the larger world. The mess of the renewal plan, the suspension of operations, and even the revival fund, have been marred by top-down decision making disconnected from those affected by the decisions. Getting student representation on the College Board of Trustees would be a step in the right direction of restoring community governance and accountability and living up to Antioch?s ideals. Antioch students have faced enough disrespect from administrators and trustees, they don?t need it from alumni too. --Ed M. Koziarski ?97 on 1/9/08 11:54 AM, YAZZ Allen at davidrogerallen@hotmail.com wrote: > > Jan. 9, 08 > > Hi from Yazz (David) Allen '66 (Email me directly at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com): > > I don't think having any student trustees at all, even non-voting ones, is a > good idea. > > Antioch College has had terrible trouble with bad trustee decisions since 1975 > when Trustee Chairman Larry Pearl '55 publically fired Dr. Jim Dixon '38, > Antioch College's last high-quality president (people who rightly identify the > 60's and early 70's as "The Golden Age Of Antioch College in the 20th Century" > can't logically buy into the unwarranted scapegoating of Dr. Dixon as the guy > who caused Antioch's decline after he left.....the last time Antioch was truly > a national school with a positive worldwide reputation was under his > watch...he was very good, defamation of him after he left was self-interested > and ignores the fact that Antioch was in very good shape under his long and > reliable leadership where he faced eye-crossing decisions and, all said and > done, didn't come out badly doing what he did). > > The big problem Antioch College faces now (2008) is somehow getting good > people to join the Trustees so good on-the-payroll leadership can be recruited > and retained. > > The grossly idiotic and outrageous (hyperbolic way of putting it, I admit, but > soooooooooooo true!) decision of the Antioch U. Board Of Trustees to shut > Antioch College down completely in June 2008 reflects....well....LOW quality > in the thinking and decision making of the then current Trustees (most still > there, still in charge). > > The hiring of Dr. Steve Lawry, now mercifully (for Antioch's sake) departed, > is yet another recent example of "lack of quality at the VERY top." Lawry > wasn't a good Antioch College President, a good choice for President, and he > shouldn't have been hired in the first place, just as Antioch College should > have been threatened by it's own Trustees with closedown in July 2008. > > > But back to students being part of the Trustees!............... > > We don't need kids (which people not yet finished with college all are, bless > 'em) to be part of what already is a mess. > > Let the Antioch College Community Manager be a periodic visitor to some (not > all, and maybe not any) Board Of Trustees meetings, and have communications > with Board members who need input re: what's going with students, etc., etc. > That's enough. > > It is so very important NOT to let ideals of democracy and "including > everybody and all voices" further screw up the already doubtful system of > selection of Trustees for Antioch College. > > We need (and haven't had in a LONG time) smart, worthy people as Trustees. > > Some people shouldn't be invited to the table as concerns Trustee selection, > and children not yet finished college with not much experience with "Life > after college" are not likely good candidates for trustee memberships. > > It's time to get sober about Antioch College leadership, especially as it > concerns the Trustees, who should solve Antioch College's problems, and NOT > cause big problems, as has been the case often since 1975. > > Best wishes always, > Yazz (David) Allen '66 > > > > --------------------- > Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail > to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone (717) > 235 - 1982! > > See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting > WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb > RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or > WWW.NYCasting.Com. > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 07:37:49 -0800> From: > pas0705@yahoo.com> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: [Alumni-chat] > "Student Trustees wanted" (see how other places do it?!?!)> > At Ohio State; > via the OSU Lantern:> > ">http://media.www.thelantern.com/media/storage/paper333/news/2008/01/09/Campu > s/Student.Trustees.Wanted-3148155.shtml> > /Student.Trustees.Wanted-3148155.shtml> > The Student Trustee Selection > Committee is accepting> applications for the graduate and professional student > position> on the Ohio State Board of Trustees.> > "The student trustees at > Ohio State, while they are the only> nonvoting member of the board, are fully > involved in all board> meetings including executive session," said David > Frantz,> secretary of the board.> > There are two student trustees at OSU, one > undergraduate student> and one graduate or professional student. They are > responsible> for representing the citizens of Ohio and providing a student> > perspective to the discussions and decisions at the board level,> said > Christopher Alvarez-Breckenridge, the current graduate> student trustee. His > term ends in May.> > Alvarez-Breckenridge, a medical and doctoral student, > said the> student trustees serve two-year terms and are chosen through a> > process that begins with a written application and ends with an> appointment > by the governor.> > The 2008 applications are being accepted from graduate or> > professional students who have at least two years left at OSU.> > The student > trustee positions require a huge time commitment and> applicants must have a > strong work ethic, good articulation and> the ability to absorb information > quickly, Frantz said. They> also must be willing and able to work on behalf of > the> institution to make OSU the best university it can be.> > The written > application is about five pages long and is reviewed> by the Student Trustee > Selection Committee, which is made up of> student government presidents and > other appointed students, said> Debra Van Camp, a junior in food science and > nutrition and> agribusiness and applied economics and is the current> > undergraduate student trustee.> > The selection committee interviews 10 to 12 > students and then> chooses five applications to be forwarded to the > governor's> office, she said. Then, there are more interviews and the> > governor's office eventually makes the appointment.> > Alvarez-Breckenridge > said that although the application process> is long it should not discourage > students from applying because> it is a great learning experience in how OSU > operates and fits> into the context of the state of Ohio.> > > Alvarez-Breckenridge said serving as a student trustee has> taught him many > valuable lessons he will take with him long> after his term ends.> > "It was a > tremendously worthwhile experience," he said. "I found> that being on the > Board of Trustees (and) the things that you> learn in that setting percolate > through not just your position> as a student trustee, but essentially all > aspects of your life."> > Anyone interested in applying for the student > trustee position> should download the application at www.trustees.osu.edu.> > Applications are due Jan. 25.> > Lindsay Betz can be reached at > betz.49@osu.edu.> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > ______> Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > ">http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping> > > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> > ">http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> > Visit > http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > _________________________________________________________________ > Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista? + Windows Live?. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_C > PC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008_____________________________________________ > __ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! -- From aadole at roadrunner.com Wed Jan 9 17:36:17 2008 From: aadole at roadrunner.com (Art Dole) Date: Wed Jan 9 14:39:20 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Peg Bracken, Antioch '40, author of best seller I HATE TO COOK BOOK writes about old age as a comedy experience! In-Reply-To: <102348.26554.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yazz--thiis is wonderful tribute to Peg Bracken. I got to know her when we toted trays in the Tea Room. Sad to say, she died in 2007. Art Dole '46 On 1/8/08 7:33 AM, "YAZZ ALLEN" wrote: > Jan. 8, 08 > > Hi from Yazz (David) Allen '66 (Email me at: YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com): > > Peg Bracken, Antioch College, Ohio '40 is about 90 years old these days if > she's still with us (I hope she is....I was in email contact with her about 5 > years ago, and she described a relatively recent stop-by visit to Antioch in > Ohio trip she made and her reactions to how things had changed since her > pre-WWII times as a teen at Antoch). When she and I were in contact, she > lived in Oregon with her husband. > > As many Antiochians know, Peg Bracken '40 was (and is) the author of one of > the best selling humor books of the 20th century titled THE I HATE TO COOK > BOOK, written and widely discussed in the 1960's. > > Peg didn't choose to "go gentle into that good night" (see Dylan Thomas' poem > about that he wrote to his father urging his Dad NOT to "go gentle into that > good night"). > > She wrote a terrific humor book about old age as a comedy experience, and I > reviewed it for Amazon.Com. > > I mentioned Peg's status as an Antiochian of fame. Those who engage in public > writing like me about people part of Antioch can use the occasion as an excuse > to boost and publicize and enthuse about Antioch College........it's a good > way to get the old school back on it's feet and "going" again........a job > which always needs doing and has since 1852, it seems! > > Here's my Peg Brack old age book review from Amazon.Com, FYI (see all 34 > Amazon.Com book reviews I wrote by inputting DAVID ROGER ALLEN as a "reviewer" > search term on the Amazon.Com website or the Google.Com site): > > ---------------- > > On Getting Old for the First Time by Peg Bracken > Edition: Hardcover Availability: Currently unavailable > 51 of 52 people found the following review helpful: > > > LIKE FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT, PEG BRACKEN STILL ACHIEVES AT 80+!, February 16, 2001 > > > Peg Bracken (Mrs. John Ohman of Portland, Oregon), renowned author of THE I > HATE TO COOK BOOK and ten other equally worthwhile published works, is now > past age 80, and like Frank Lloyd Wright, still working full time at what she > does best, satiric essay writing with a homespun yet bitingly witty edge. > > > Ms. Bracken is a 1940 graduate of Ohio's famous Antioch College, one of the > world's most important and individualistic higher education centers. Peg > Bracken is certainly a daughter of Antioch, individualistic, outspoken, > charming, and intelligent in ways disarming, yet very easy to relate to and > admire. > > > The subject of her latest book is Old Age, and she writes about her subject in > her well known humorous way in almost a journalistic style. Her writing about > her personal experiences as an "Older Person" is what the American Association > For Retired Persons magazine should offer, but, sadly, never does. It is > relevant, poignant, and filled with important observations skillfully cradled > in diplomatic and humane style, always self-deprecating and fraught with wit > and humor created by a person obviously born with a gift in those areas. > > > Peg Bracken really covers her subject in almost all areas one could wish and > does so in only 125 pages, happily presented in readable, larger than average > typeface, ideal for comfortable reading and reflecting. I read the first > chapter of ON GETTING OLD FOR THE FIRST TIME in a Cockeysville, Maryland > (suburban Baltimore) public library, and found myself laughing out loud so > noisily that the usually tolerant librarians on duty were forced to make > several visits to my reading location, and ask me to quiet down. > > > I really did try to accommodate them, but Peg Bracken's wit is so astonishing > and infectious, I finally realized that, for me, her book would only be > readable in a non-public location. It's too funny for public library located > consumption. > > > This said, it should be noted her subject matter is very serious, and the > implied conclusions raised by her intelligent writing constitute the best food > for thought I've ever read by any author, ancient or modern, on the subject of > Old Age. > > > Get this book and read it. Buy it. Keep it at home, and re-read it again and > again over the years. Encourage your local public library system, nursing > homes, retirement communities, and booksellers to stock multiple copies at all > times, and to publicize it continuously. > > > > This modest little book is a classic, and though the self-effacing Ms. Bracken > would likely be the first to deny it, a true work of genious. In today's > world, we need all the genious and wisdom we can get, especially on the > subject of Old Age. > > > > > > > ---- > Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail > to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...phone (717) > 235 - 1982! > > See my movie actor photos and recent credits at WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest > movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org > "IActor, "WWW.CastingNetworks.Com. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > From imabused at aol.com Wed Jan 9 15:31:19 2008 From: imabused at aol.com (imabused@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 9 15:33:12 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Student Trustees" at Antioch? Message-ID: <8CA2115B9914A34-B74-92F@WEBMAIL-DG16> Laura and Ed, Thanks for your comments. Students actively engaged in actual governing processes, I do in fact trust in this. Checks and balances are so vital in these days of administrators who are all about promoting themselves and their future advances. Antioch College is still - incredibly enough - not actively engaged in recruiting new students, and this is because of a false portrayal of the Ohio Board of Regents' policies on accreditation. They needed someone to blame and got caught in the act. But nothing has changed in the recruitment policy! I would suggest that recruiting passionate students to all governing bodies of Antioch would be a huge improvement. Personally I am not one who?feels the "image" of the college to the outside world is or has ever really been a big issue. Being politically correct is more the danger. Jane Slater Class of '80 ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From gerrybello at hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 16:09:53 2008 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Wed Jan 9 16:09:55 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Student Trustees" at Antioch? In-Reply-To: <8CA2115B9914A34-B74-92F@WEBMAIL-DG16> References: <8CA2115B9914A34-B74-92F@WEBMAIL-DG16> Message-ID: you know.... I have to chime in here.... I support student trustees. I have since I was 20. Here is why: On my first co-op I was in the Bay Area. I learned alot. I learned that the University of California is the sixth largest nuclear weapons producing entity in the world. They make more Bombs than Pakistan and India combined. They have a student on their board of Regents. The majority of UC regents at the time were appointed by govener Regean. So Yazz (cud or allen or whatever the fuck your name is) are you saying we trust our younger adults less than Regean his with nuclear fucking weapons? The second thing I learned that is germaine to this discussion: On my first co-op, I was called on a couple of times to bodyguard for "important" people in the movement who had be targeted for serious shit, including being killed. I was a month or two past my 20th birthday and people who barely knew me were willing to trust me with their own and their friends lives? Why? Not because I'm tough (although I was and am), and not certainly not because I'm big (because I wasnt and am not) but because I was completely capable of self-sacrifice. And making a descision that might be good for the community but might not be in my own narrow self-interest. Are you now saying that an Antioch student who can be trusted with people's lives couldnt be trusted to oversee the future of their own community and education? If thats the case than a hearty fuck you is warranted. After all we trust students to design their own classes and their own majors and their own co-ops... Students are young its true. They are going to be alive for a while (ideally)... they have more future to plan for than us. Why not trust them with the future of their community and education. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I remember back a few months ago some jackass was in here saying we couldnt trust cafe workers with being trustees... When I was back on campus the same people were working in the cafe as when I was there. It would seem they have an interest in the school being healthy. ---------------------------------------------------------- Trustees come and go. Administrators come and go. Faculty, staff, students, Alumni... We're in for life. At least 1/3rd of trustees should be faculty staff and students. ---G '97 "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti > _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista? + Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008 From wasb at albany.edu Wed Jan 9 17:01:51 2008 From: wasb at albany.edu (wasb@albany.edu) Date: Wed Jan 9 17:05:26 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Student Trustees" at Antioch? Don't we ALREADY have enough trouble with ADULT, College Grad Trust Message-ID: <31490.208.27.203.131.1199916111.squirrel@webmail.albany.edu> A corrective to the hyperbole about Jim Dixon. The egos of many Antioch presidents have been excessively large (one has to have a large ego to be a college president, but there are degrees), and Jim Dixon's was one of the largest. Yes, he did good things. But the "war" between the college president and the dean or provost --friction that existed through a number of presidents-- certainly was present then, and why? Because the president often was challenged/threatened by another strong academic figure. So let's be careful about damning Larry Pearl or praising Dixon. Steve Wasby '59 > > Jan. 9, 08 > > Hi from Yazz (David) Allen '66 (Email me directly at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com): > > I don't think having any student trustees at all, even non-voting ones, is > a good idea. > > Antioch College has had terrible trouble with bad trustee decisions since > 1975 when Trustee Chairman Larry Pearl '55 publically fired Dr. Jim Dixon > '38, Antioch College's last high-quality president (people who rightly > identify the 60's and early 70's as "The Golden Age Of Antioch College in > the 20th Century" can't logically buy into the unwarranted scapegoating of > Dr. Dixon as the guy who caused Antioch's decline after he left.....the > last time Antioch was truly a national school with a positive worldwide > reputation was under his watch...he was very good, defamation of him after > he left was self-interested and ignores the fact that Antioch was in very > good shape under his long and reliable leadership where he faced > eye-crossing decisions and, all said and done, didn't come out badly doing > what he did). > > The big problem Antioch College faces now (2008) is somehow getting good > people to join the Trustees so good on-the-payroll leadership can be > recruited and retained. > > The grossly idiotic and outrageous (hyperbolic way of putting it, I admit, > but soooooooooooo true!) decision of the Antioch U. Board Of Trustees to > shut Antioch College down completely in June 2008 reflects....well....LOW > quality in the thinking and decision making of the then current Trustees > (most still there, still in charge). > > The hiring of Dr. Steve Lawry, now mercifully (for Antioch's sake) > departed, is yet another recent example of "lack of quality at the VERY > top." Lawry wasn't a good Antioch College President, a good choice for > President, and he shouldn't have been hired in the first place, just as > Antioch College should have been threatened by it's own Trustees with > closedown in July 2008. > > > But back to students being part of the Trustees!............... > > We don't need kids (which people not yet finished with college all are, > bless 'em) to be part of what already is a mess. > > Let the Antioch College Community Manager be a periodic visitor to some > (not all, and maybe not any) Board Of Trustees meetings, and have > communications with Board members who need input re: what's going with > students, etc., etc. That's enough. > > It is so very important NOT to let ideals of democracy and "including > everybody and all voices" further screw up the already doubtful system of > selection of Trustees for Antioch College. > > We need (and haven't had in a LONG time) smart, worthy people as Trustees. > > Some people shouldn't be invited to the table as concerns Trustee > selection, and children not yet finished college with not much experience > with "Life after college" are not likely good candidates for trustee > memberships. > > It's time to get sober about Antioch College leadership, especially as it > concerns the Trustees, who should solve Antioch College's problems, and > NOT cause big problems, as has been the case often since 1975. > > Best wishes always, > Yazz (David) Allen '66 > > > > --------------------- > Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, > mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone > (717) 235 - 1982! > > See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting > WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) > IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also > WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or WWW.NYCasting.Com. > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 > 07:37:49 -0800> From: pas0705@yahoo.com> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> > Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Student Trustees wanted" (see how other places do > it?!?!)> > At Ohio State; via the OSU Lantern:> > http://media.www.thelantern.com/media/storage/paper333/news/2008/01/09/Campus/Student.Trustees.Wanted-3148155.shtml> > > The Student Trustee Selection Committee is accepting> applications for > the graduate and professional student position> on the Ohio State Board of > Trustees.> > "The student trustees at Ohio State, while they are the only> > nonvoting member of the board, are fully involved in all board> meetings > including executive session," said David Frantz,> secretary of the board.> > > There are two student trustees at OSU, one undergraduate student> and > one graduate or professional student. They are responsible> for > representing the citizens of Ohio and providing a student> perspective to > the discussions and decisions at the board level,> said Christopher > Alvarez-Breckenridge, the current graduate> student trustee. His term ends > in May.> > Alvarez-Breckenridge, a medical and doctoral student, said the> > student trustees serve two-year terms and are chosen through a> process > that begins with a written application and ends with an> appointment by > the governor.> > The 2008 applications are being accepted from graduate > or> professional students who have at least two years left at OSU.> > The > student trustee positions require a huge time commitment and> applicants > must have a strong work ethic, good articulation and> the ability to > absorb information quickly, Frantz said. They> also must be willing and > able to work on behalf of the> institution to make OSU the best university > it can be.> > The written application is about five pages long and is > reviewed> by the Student Trustee Selection Committee, which is made up of> > student government presidents and other appointed students, said> Debra > Van Camp, a junior in food science and nutrition and> agribusiness and > applied economics and is the current> undergraduate student trustee.> > > The selection committee interviews 10 to 12 students and then> chooses > five applications to be forwarded to the governor's> office, she said. > Then, there are more interviews and the> governor's office eventually > makes the appointment.> > Alvarez-Breckenridge said that although the > application process> is long it should not discourage students from > applying because> it is a great learning experience in how OSU operates > and fits> into the context of the state of Ohio.> > Alvarez-Breckenridge > said serving as a student trustee has> taught him many valuable lessons he > will take with him long> after his term ends.> > "It was a tremendously > worthwhile experience," he said. "I found> that being on the Board of > Trustees (and) the things that you> learn in that setting percolate > through not just your position> as a student trustee, but essentially all > aspects of your life."> > Anyone interested in applying for the student > trustee position> should download the application at > www.trustees.osu.edu.> Applications are due Jan. 25.> > Lindsay Betz can > be reached at betz.49@osu.edu.> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping> > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit > http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > _________________________________________________________________ > Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista? + Windows Live?. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008_______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > From alexandrakesman at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 17:22:30 2008 From: alexandrakesman at gmail.com (Alexandra Kesman) Date: Wed Jan 9 17:22:33 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 11, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <20080109220528.9E20463104E7@w3.antioch.edu> References: <20080109220528.9E20463104E7@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: Hello all, As a current student, I believe that many of us would be capable of handling a seat on the board of trustees. There are many capable, driven, responsible people who attend Antioch. Unfortunately, you don't hear about them because all you hear about are the ones that throw bricks and other such behaviors. I would personally like to stand up for those students that are under the radar and who will make differences in this world and will sit on significantly more important BoT's of the future. It was mentioned earlier, but I would like to elaborate. A current 4th year student currently sits (an is the youngest member in their history) on the Board of Trustees of the Unitarian Universalists. Now, tell me you don't think that is amazing!?!? I rest my case. Alex -- Alexandra Kesman Marketing and Public Relations American Repertory Theater 73 School Street Arlington, MA 02476 513.680.3345 alexandrakesman@gmail.com From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 19:08:34 2008 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (YAZZ Allen) Date: Wed Jan 9 19:08:38 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Peg Bracken, Antioch '40, author of best seller I HATE TO COOK BOOK writes about o In-Reply-To: References: <102348.26554.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jan. 9, 08 Thanks, Art Dole, for your kind words about Peg Bracken writing I did for WWW.Amazon.Com. I never had the pleasure or honor of meeting up with Peg personally, but I did once see her as a commercial actress part of a network television ad selling tasty food! Her opening line (she had become famous as the author of THE I HATE TO COOK BOOK), was "Hi, I'm Peg Bracken! I may hate to cook but I LOVE to eat!" Then she extolled the food product (don't remember qutie what it was). During the middle 1990's, I engaged in a personal research project to collect information of Antioch College alumni who became authors reported in the CONTEMPORARY AUTHORS reference book (most authors connected with books put out by national publishing companies are profiled in CONTEMPORARY AUTHORS, and most large public and academic libraries always used to have print versions of the on-going reference work, which stretched on for dozens of shelf feet in libraries, and was hundreds of bound volumes long, like a giant encyclopedia.......a computerized version was available in the 1990's, but then it wasn't free or available to the public free or on-line....don't know if that changed}. I assembled bio and critical profiles of several hundred Antioch College alumni authors, and determined that of about 4,000 plus accredited (in the 1990's) higher education schools, Antioch College had generated so many authors published in CONTEMPORARY AUTHORS reference work, that it ranked #40 in the entire USA as a school producing published authors with major publishing co. connections. Columbia University was #1, and Harvard University was #2 on the list. All the schools leading up to Antioch (ranked at #40) were very famous name schools, mostly very physically large ones. Antioch was in the top 1 percent of all schools in the USA producing authors, I determined. Anyway, Peg Bracken had been interviewed by CONTEMPORARY AUTHORS and the interview itself, reprinted in one of the dry reference volumes of CA, was one of the funniest pieces of writing I ever read. Peg Bracken's wit as astonishing.....her mind worked, it seemed to me, like a comedy computer! She was very fast to reply with VERY funny observations and answers. Life in the Antioch College Tea Room in the 1930's with Peg Bracken as a co-worker must have been very entertaining for you and Peg's other Tea Room co-workers. I'm surprised dishes and glasses weren't dropped by Tea Room workers doubling over at Peg's jokes! Thanks again for your kind words about my writing. RIP, Peg! Get her Old Age book! It's great! Best, Yazz (David) Allen '66 (email me directly anytime at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com) --------------------- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or WWW.NYCasting.Com. > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:36:17 -0800> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Peg Bracken, Antioch '40, author of best seller I HATE TO COOK BOOK writes about old age as a comedy experience!> From: aadole@roadrunner.com> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> > Yazz--thiis is wonderful tribute to Peg Bracken. I got to know her when we> toted trays in the Tea Room. Sad to say, she died in 2007.> > Art Dole '46> > > > On 1/8/08 7:33 AM, "YAZZ ALLEN" wrote:> > > Jan. 8, 08> > > > Hi from Yazz (David) Allen '66 (Email me at: YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com):> > > > Peg Bracken, Antioch College, Ohio '40 is about 90 years old these days if> > she's still with us (I hope she is....I was in email contact with her about 5> > years ago, and she described a relatively recent stop-by visit to Antioch in> > Ohio trip she made and her reactions to how things had changed since her> > pre-WWII times as a teen at Antoch). When she and I were in contact, she> > lived in Oregon with her husband.> > > > As many Antiochians know, Peg Bracken '40 was (and is) the author of one of> > the best selling humor books of the 20th century titled THE I HATE TO COOK> > BOOK, written and widely discussed in the 1960's.> > > > Peg didn't choose to "go gentle into that good night" (see Dylan Thomas' poem> > about that he wrote to his father urging his Dad NOT to "go gentle into that> > good night").> > > > She wrote a terrific humor book about old age as a comedy experience, and I> > reviewed it for Amazon.Com.> > > > I mentioned Peg's status as an Antiochian of fame. Those who engage in public> > writing like me about people part of Antioch can use the occasion as an excuse> > to boost and publicize and enthuse about Antioch College........it's a good> > way to get the old school back on it's feet and "going" again........a job> > which always needs doing and has since 1852, it seems!> > > > Here's my Peg Brack old age book review from Amazon.Com, FYI (see all 34> > Amazon.Com book reviews I wrote by inputting DAVID ROGER ALLEN as a "reviewer"> > search term on the Amazon.Com website or the Google.Com site):> > > > ----------------> > > > On Getting Old for the First Time by Peg Bracken> > Edition: Hardcover Availability: Currently unavailable> > 51 of 52 people found the following review helpful:> > > > > > LIKE FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT, PEG BRACKEN STILL ACHIEVES AT 80+!, February 16, 2001> > > > > > Peg Bracken (Mrs. John Ohman of Portland, Oregon), renowned author of THE I> > HATE TO COOK BOOK and ten other equally worthwhile published works, is now> > past age 80, and like Frank Lloyd Wright, still working full time at what she> > does best, satiric essay writing with a homespun yet bitingly witty edge.> > > > > > Ms. Bracken is a 1940 graduate of Ohio's famous Antioch College, one of the> > world's most important and individualistic higher education centers. Peg> > Bracken is certainly a daughter of Antioch, individualistic, outspoken,> > charming, and intelligent in ways disarming, yet very easy to relate to and> > admire. > > > > > > The subject of her latest book is Old Age, and she writes about her subject in> > her well known humorous way in almost a journalistic style. Her writing about> > her personal experiences as an "Older Person" is what the American Association> > For Retired Persons magazine should offer, but, sadly, never does. It is> > relevant, poignant, and filled with important observations skillfully cradled> > in diplomatic and humane style, always self-deprecating and fraught with wit> > and humor created by a person obviously born with a gift in those areas.> > > > > > Peg Bracken really covers her subject in almost all areas one could wish and> > does so in only 125 pages, happily presented in readable, larger than average> > typeface, ideal for comfortable reading and reflecting. I read the first> > chapter of ON GETTING OLD FOR THE FIRST TIME in a Cockeysville, Maryland> > (suburban Baltimore) public library, and found myself laughing out loud so> > noisily that the usually tolerant librarians on duty were forced to make> > several visits to my reading location, and ask me to quiet down.> > > > > > I really did try to accommodate them, but Peg Bracken's wit is so astonishing> > and infectious, I finally realized that, for me, her book would only be> > readable in a non-public location. It's too funny for public library located> > consumption. > > > > > > This said, it should be noted her subject matter is very serious, and the> > implied conclusions raised by her intelligent writing constitute the best food> > for thought I've ever read by any author, ancient or modern, on the subject of> > Old Age. > > > > > > Get this book and read it. Buy it. Keep it at home, and re-read it again and> > again over the years. Encourage your local public library system, nursing> > homes, retirement communities, and booksellers to stock multiple copies at all> > times, and to publicize it continuously.> > > > > > > > This modest little book is a classic, and though the self-effacing Ms. Bracken> > would likely be the first to deny it, a true work of genious. In today's> > world, we need all the genious and wisdom we can get, especially on the> > subject of Old Age.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----> > Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail> > to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...phone (717)> > 235 - 1982!> > > > See my movie actor photos and recent credits at WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest> > movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org> > "IActor, "WWW.CastingNetworks.Com.> > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it> > now.> > > > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Watch ?Cause Effect,? a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause From Sistersara at aol.com Thu Jan 10 03:53:55 2008 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 10 03:54:08 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 11, Issue 3 Message-ID: In a message dated 1/9/2008 4:22:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, alexandrakesman@gmail.com writes: I would personally like to stand up for those students that are under the radar and who will make differences in this world and will sit on significantly more important BoT's of the future. It was mentioned earlier, but I would like to elaborate. A current 4th year student currently sits (an is the youngest member in their history) on the Board of Trustees of the Unitarian Universalists. Now, tell me you don't think that is amazing!?!? I rest my case. Alex Alex, I think you need to look at Boards of many organizations, in many fields, and ask whether they are normally populated by people who run under the radar? As part of the effort to create a student seat on the Board of Regents of the University of Minnesota -- which we accomplished in the early 1970's. I really can't think of a more meaningless cause that I ever got engaged with. It is still a seat, and I suppose will remain so for years, but it is unfortunately without much value. Why? -- First, the role of students is to be students. The time demands for Trustees and/or Regents is huge, and students should be spending that time enjoying and profiting from that opportunity for freedom from responsibility for all but their own intellectual development. Trustees/Regents spend their time developing support and raising money for institutions (at least they should), and looking at institutional planning in large picture frameworks. They are expected to be able to think and plan in terms of decades of effort toward goals, largely because they have done that themselves in whatever niche of various systems they emerged from as leaders. In Minnesota, University Regents have to represent the Congressional Districts. (we have eight). The Charter provides for Regents who represent Agriculture, Natural Science, Labor, Medicine, Humanities, Commerce and Trade. The University is older than the state, is, like Ohio State, a Land Grant institution, and thus is subject to many relevant laws. But in the end, the Trustees/Regents are not really "management" -- rather they are the advocates for growth and development that requires resources, and they are sufficiently influential so as to acquire those resources, and oversee how they are used. I simply do not believe Students have much of a role here. Where Antioch has gone wrong over the years is not in having no Trustees seat for Students, rather is is about communications. You know, when the President can't talk to the Trustees, and I suspect the Faculty cannot either, I rather doubt if the students even know who they are, or have ever met them. So Second, rather than putting a student on the board of Trustees, why not reverse the idea, and look at the whole reorganization that is likely to happen as needing a Trustee to be a non-voting but attending member of Comcil, and another on Adcil. If that were set up, I suspect you would get good communication between Students and Trustees, without having to take someone who should be progressing toward a BS or AB Degree away from what is their primary objective. Students, after all may be depending on grants and loans for that BS or AB, but in Theory a Trustee should be able to pay their own way. Third -- most Trustees are expected to serve at least one term, and perhaps several. It is just as important that older Trustees be honorably rolled off as it is to carefully bring in new blood that can carry on, yet improve things. The Student/Regent/Trustee thing imagines that things are done short term -- that is in one or, at most, two years. That is not how a BoT or a Regents Board works. Many things take a decade or a generation to accomplish, and that is not where you put short term students. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From Sistersara at aol.com Thu Jan 10 04:13:04 2008 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 10 04:14:27 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Student Trustees" at Antioch? Message-ID: In a message dated 1/9/2008 3:10:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, gerrybello@hotmail.com writes: I learned that the University of California is the sixth largest nuclear weapons producing entity in the world. They make more Bombs than Pakistan and India combined. They have a student on their board of Regents. Yes, good that you learned this, but did you also learn the history of UC in the Nuclear Field -- which actually dates back to the late 1920's. Why should one be surprised that Lawrence-Livermore produces weapons as well as much theory and other applications? Good Lord, that is not what Regents or Trustees really decide, that is an upscale pay grade. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Thu Jan 10 08:20:28 2008 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Thu Jan 10 08:20:30 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Student Trustees" at Antioch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > > > Yes, good that you learned this, but did you also learn the history of UC in > the Nuclear Field -- which actually dates back to the late 1920's. Why > should one be surprised that Lawrence-Livermore produces weapons as well as much > theory and other applications? Good Lord, that is not what Regents or > Trustees really decide, that is an upscale pay grade. > > > They do decide their level of participation in that field. They decide to have a DELTA trained SWAT unit as part of the campus police force They decide if they would like to go out and get more contracts. They decide if theoretical particle physics is their bag or maybe they should make some more bombs. They decide if they wish to include students in their body which they do. But you dont care... you just want to be a poison lipped pile of bile spewing contrariness at 4 am. "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti> _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista? + Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008 From pas0705 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 08:46:38 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Thu Jan 10 08:46:41 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 11, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <253933.50753.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- Sistersara@aol.com wrote: >But in the end, the Trustees/Regents are > not really > "management" -- rather they are the advocates for growth and > development that > requires resources, and they are sufficiently influential so > as to acquire those > resources, and oversee how they are used. I simply do not > believe Students > have much of a role here. Really? -l ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From pas0705 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 10:11:25 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Thu Jan 10 10:11:28 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Student trustees In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <629087.14279.qm@web63903.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- Sistersara@aol.com wrote: > a lot of stuff that has been removed in the reply I continued thinking about your response on the way in to work this morning, since I was mildly shocked that an Antioch Grad would have such a position in regards to the Antioch Governance structure. Isn't the Antioch College education all about the tri-partite model? Isn't one of the pillars of that model active participation in community? Are the trustees not stakeholders in the community? I realize that Antioch College has recently emphasized the other two 'pillars' of co-op and classroom education. Antioch College was a leader in co-op, but as recent NYTimes articles indicate, other institutions have adopted such programs. What still sets Antioch College out from those other programs? Its no longer simply the fact that we have co-op; these days its our unique blend of Co-op with a liberal arts eduction, AND with active community participation. I think Antioch College could again be ground-breaking in an educational field- this time in integrating more fully the community participation component into the education. While its been said that the Antioch University governance structure has paralleled whats happening in the country, there are other things in this country that have happened that haven't been so dismal. If you look at construction, we seem to be moving more towards community-based development. Shopping malls used to be built with very few benches and clocks, designed to get people into the stores and keep them from congregating in the hallways. Now 'town center' type commercial areas are being developed, with central squares, seating, and reasons to bring people to the area for more then just shopping. Some developers also look to integrate business with residential and commercial, instead of 'districts' that only serve a single need. Local communities as well seem to be standing up to city hall and developers. I'm very specific when I mention the pillars of an Antioch COLLEGE education. From what I know of the satellite campuses, their primary model is classroom education for people currently in the workforce. I don't know how much active community participation goes on at the satellite campuses. I think a case could be made that anyone wishing to use the name "Antioch" for their educational program would have to petition to show how their program satisfies the ideals of the tri-partite Antioch College education. Call it our own mini-internal-accreditation. :) Cheers -laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From sjr5 at nyu.edu Thu Jan 10 11:18:12 2008 From: sjr5 at nyu.edu (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) Date: Thu Jan 10 11:18:14 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Student Trustees" at Antioch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gerry, "a poison lipped pile of bile"? It sure takes one to know one, as we little kids used to say? Please shut the fuck up with your insults. Sonia Jaffe Robbins Antioch College '60-'62, '64 sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting http://www.neww.org http://www.nwu.org ******************* "Writing is thinking, not thinking written down." ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerry Bello Date: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:20 am Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] "Student Trustees" at Antioch? To: Alumni Chat List > > > > > > > > > > Yes, good that you learned this, but did you also learn the history > of UC in > > the Nuclear Field -- which actually dates back to the late 1920's. > Why > > should one be surprised that Lawrence-Livermore produces weapons > as well as much > > theory and other applications? Good Lord, that is not what > Regents or > > Trustees really decide, that is an upscale pay grade. > > > > > > > > They do decide their level of participation in that field. > > They decide to have a DELTA trained SWAT unit as part of the campus > police force > > They decide if they would like to go out and get more contracts. > > They decide if theoretical particle physics is their bag or maybe > they should make some more bombs. > > They decide if they wish to include students in their body which they > do. > > But you dont care... you just want to be a poison lipped pile of bile > spewing contrariness at 4 am. > > > > > "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt > about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it > leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who > ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better > next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is > growing this minute." > ----Durruti> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista? + Windows Live?. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008_______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > From duffy at antioch-college.edu Thu Jan 10 11:50:30 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Thu Jan 10 11:49:34 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Student trustees In-Reply-To: <629087.14279.qm@web63903.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <629087.14279.qm@web63903.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Duffy here.. look to be honest...in YS we are all living the advanced blame the victim game. We all need to learn from this hot mess. we have gotten here because our previous governance structure..although run by intelligent and mostly well-meaning people was too removed from everyday life. I know and like many of them. How could anyone expect to know what's going on (to make good decisions in times of chaos) when they are dealing with multiple campuses and only meeting three times a year and rotating from pillar to post? The decisions that get made are based on information received. and that information stream was impoifect. Those imperfections multiply....like a sourdough culture... no wonder our culture seemed sour......but it actually has some good taste, eh? To discover that truth you would actually hafta sit and interact with the younger folks. Getting the information our previous structure got was like playing the telephone game......information about what works and doesn't gets garbled and skewed...and the result is sub optimal and hardly understandable decisions and client dissatifaction...whether it be current students or folks back to Arthur Dole.... that means not too good for R and R..i.e., revenue and retention... Good stewardship means finding out what is the real deal. So having input from diifferent sectors.....is a plus. adding a student, fac or a staff person can only help. We need folks to be on the ground. You would really have to have a tough selection process.........and even an oath on a stack on bibles and Antioch notes. You really have to wonder, for example....when we had a giant community dinner in October....with probably 400 people including YS folk......the folks who didn't come were the ones who were our "Stewards". I would like a Board that will come here and eat in the caf with the Community. (either during assigned times or on the DL) The evening we had that large YS and Community dinner our Stewards were at the Green Country club....about three miles but actually light years away. There was seventy years worth of YS and alums and faculty at that dinner...they missed some good company.. and the lasagne was good comfort food....and the deserts. (which were fronted by the Alum Board) Let's rebuild carefully and completely. It will be worth it. Yours from somewhere between utopia and where you are.... Duffy '77 P.S> Yazz.....the library world in Ohio is much better than in Maryland. OHIOLINK is really a crown jewel of academic library resources. There is another Marylander out there who can explain things to you to raise your consciouness. You should converse with him. and if you are an advocate for libraries (and the college) contact him about joining the fledging advocacy group for supporting the library i.love.olive.org..... His email address is timothynoble@gmail.com... Tim Noble who is now getting his masters in yer old state. and says OHIOLINK seems far superior.... you know what they say about Maryland the best of two worlds...northern hospitality and southern efficiency... Our problem is being able to keep up with the monies for the membership dues and having enough library faculty to teach what is called Bibliographic instruction. We have it all at our fingertips in this state but need some angels to help pay those pricey three year contracts......and those faculty salaries. end homily and chat..excuse syntax..chat is chat and that is that From totally at svaha.com Thu Jan 10 12:37:44 2008 From: totally at svaha.com (J. Greg Williams) Date: Thu Jan 10 12:37:52 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: freedom from responsibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92351D7E-1685-4AE0-AC78-DD225CE8A95F@svaha.com> There is no greater learning experience (the point of being a student) than participating in that which you wish to learn. Indeed the entire co-op program is built on that premise. To glibly state that students should be free of responsibility eschews that which most differentiates Antioch students from the rest. Antioch has historically tried to engage students at every level of the decision making process, often to the incredulity of other institutions. It is the role of the student to participate and it is the role of the College to provide as much opportunity as possible for them to do so. Not all students should be Antioch students. And not all Antioch students should be trustees. But there are a few who would benefit and contribute greatly to such a thing and those students will gravitate to such an opportunity, regardless of the work involved. For most Antiochians, it's not about getting the degree and moving on, it's about making a difference (and learning how to). So I must respectfully disagree with you Sistersara. - J. Greg Williams On Jan 10, 2008, at 3:53 AM, Sistersara@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/9/2008 4:22:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, > alexandrakesman@gmail.com writes: > > I would personally like to stand up for those students that are > under the > radar and who will make differences in this world and will sit on > significantly more important BoT's of the future. > > It was mentioned earlier, but I would like to elaborate. A current > 4th year > student currently sits (an is the youngest member in their history) > on the > Board of Trustees of the Unitarian Universalists. > > Now, tell me you don't think that is amazing!?!? > > I rest my case. > > Alex > > > > Alex, I think you need to look at Boards of many organizations, in > many > fields, and ask whether they are normally populated by people who > run under the > radar? > > As part of the effort to create a student seat on the Board of > Regents of > the University of Minnesota -- which we accomplished in the early > 1970's. I > really can't think of a more meaningless cause that I ever got > engaged with. It > is still a seat, and I suppose will remain so for years, but it is > unfortunately without much value. > > Why? -- First, the role of students is to be students. The time > demands for > Trustees and/or Regents is huge, and students should be spending > that time > enjoying and profiting from that opportunity for freedom from > responsibility > for all but their own intellectual development. Trustees/Regents > spend their > time developing support and raising money for institutions (at > least they > should), and looking at institutional planning in large picture > frameworks. > They are expected to be able to think and plan in terms of decades > of effort > toward goals, largely because they have done that themselves in > whatever niche > of various systems they emerged from as leaders. In Minnesota, > University > Regents have to represent the Congressional Districts. (we have > eight). The > Charter provides for Regents who represent Agriculture, Natural > Science, Labor, > Medicine, Humanities, Commerce and Trade. The University is older > than the > state, is, like Ohio State, a Land Grant institution, and thus is > subject to > many relevant laws. But in the end, the Trustees/Regents are not > really > "management" -- rather they are the advocates for growth and > development that > requires resources, and they are sufficiently influential so as to > acquire those > resources, and oversee how they are used. I simply do not believe > Students > have much of a role here. Where Antioch has gone wrong over the > years is > not in having no Trustees seat for Students, rather is is about > communications. > You know, when the President can't talk to the Trustees, and I > suspect the > Faculty cannot either, I rather doubt if the students even know who > they are, > or have ever met them. > > So Second, rather than putting a student on the board of Trustees, > why not > reverse the idea, and look at the whole reorganization that is > likely to happen > as needing a Trustee to be a non-voting but attending member of > Comcil, and > another on Adcil. If that were set up, I suspect you would get good > communication between Students and Trustees, without having to take > someone who > should be progressing toward a BS or AB Degree away from what is > their primary > objective. Students, after all may be depending on grants and loans > for that > BS or AB, but in Theory a Trustee should be able to pay their own > way. > > Third -- most Trustees are expected to serve at least one term, and > perhaps > several. It is just as important that older Trustees be honorably > rolled off > as it is to carefully bring in new blood that can carry on, yet > improve > things. The Student/Regent/Trustee thing imagines that things are > done short > term -- that is in one or, at most, two years. That is not how a > BoT or a > Regents Board works. Many things take a decade or a generation to > accomplish, > and that is not where you put short term students. > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcm