[Alumni-chat] Re: honorable and sincere?

[Gerry Bello]

Thats great.

actually tl;dr

where is your son?

"We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." 
----Durruti

> From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com
> To: alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu
> Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Re: honorable and sincere?
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:04:27 -0500
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> Feb. 16, 08
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> Hi from Yazz Allen (get to me directly with gripes, etc. at YazzAllen at Yahoo.Com):
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> Art Dole's great post about privacy and the Internet is important food for thought.
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> What appears on the Chatline here is secure, relatively, and doesn't go to WWW.Google.Com or other "search engines."
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> That is not true of other Antioch College enthusiast Internet/ Website locations including the wonderful and terrific WWW.AntiRecord.Org Antioch College enthusiast/ watchdog site (oldest one, est. in 1997) which I write for VERY often....everything on THAT site gets on Google and other search engines and that is what the site founder and manager, Daniel D. Atlas intended.
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> Publicity about Antioch and all points of view anyone has about it is OK, and the search engines get what's on that site.  But NOT from this Chatline.
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> The Internet "news" and "information" provides only a part of the truth, never the complete picture, and that is also true of other mass media which came long before the Internet.
> "What does the elephant REALLY look like?" the eight blind men were asked, and when the blind guys each touched the elephant at a different location (his tail, his trunk, his leg, etc.) each man came up with a different answer.  Every answer "truthful," but every answer also incomplete!
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> Bright people know that.
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> Stuff from the Internet, people's opinions and hostilities expressed on the Internet, are taken by smart people "Cum granus salis" (Latin...probably mis-spelled) for "With a grain of salt."
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> Jeff Rosen of Washington DC wrote a great book 8 years ago about all this titled THE UNWANTED GAZE (2000).
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> I wrote an Amazon.Com review I supply here, and just hit the "delete" key if  you dont' desire to take the time to read it.  I am not part of that group in our society who believes sound bites are good....I like detail, and I supply it here.  Detail reading (and writing) takes time, but it supplies more information, a fuller picture.
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> OK....I now turn the chatlist post I've made here over to my review about Jeff Rosen's book about privacy and the Internet.  Big topic.
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> 34 OTHER Amazon.Com book reviews I wrote are on the Internet and all the big search engines.  Just use DAVID ROGER ALLEN AMAZON for a search term on Google and you'll get all 34 reviews, including this one!
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> Here's my UNWANTED GAZE (2000) by Jeff Rosen review, FYI:
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> THE DESTRUCTION OF PRIVACY IN AMERICA VIA THE INTERNET!, December 6, 2000 
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> THE UNWANTED GAZE (about privacy invasion by computers...and evil people invading YOUR PRIVACY using computers), is worth buying from Amazon.Com and reading again and again. 
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> This is easier said than done. Simply possessing the book and finding a quiet place to read it doesn't deliver the information Rosen offers (worth having once gotten) easily. 
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> His book is about an immensely complicated subject, and even though Rosen is a genious (really!) law professor, etc., etc., tackling his book ain't easy. 
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> The result is that, through no fault of his own (he's breaking very thick and important ice), his book is extremely difficult to read and digest. 
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> Read it anyway. 
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> You'll learn a lot about an important subject. 
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> Here's what his book is about: 
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> As thinking, writing, and gossip increasingly take place in cyberspace, the part of our life that can be monitored and searched has vastly expanded. E-Mail, for instance (the most used and most famous form of cyberspace use), even after it is deleted, becomes a PERMANENT record that can be resurrected by employers or prosecutors (district attorneys, cops, the FBI, the CIA....you know....those guys, and for the past 30 years, those girls) at ANY point in the future. Cyberspace doesn't give a damn about paper deterioration, etc. Cyberspace is a WHOLE NEW media ball game with brand new rules! 
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> On the Internet, EVERY website we visit, every store we browse in, every magazine we skim...AND the AMOUNT OF TIME we skim it...create electronic FOOTPRINTS that can be traced back to us, revealing detailed patterns about our tastes, preferences, and intimate thoughts (example...I visit public libraries very often and use library computers and Internet services....cops checking up on me who trace writings like the one you are now reading...composed in a Maryland public library...and see a pattern of public library use). 
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> The brilliant Mr. Rosen (a smart lawyer you ought to hire if you get in trouble) explores the legal, technological, and cultural changes that have undermined our ability to control how much personal information about ourselves is communicated to others. He proposes ways of reconstructing some of the zones of privacy that law and technology have been allowed to invade (computers, the Internet, etc. ALONE don't do evil things and victimize people without help....it takes bad guys and gals USING computers, the Internet, etc. to do us dirty and invade out privacy). 
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> Poor gorgeous, big busted Monica Lewinsky, the Linda Lovelace of the Whitehouse, is the main example Mr. Rosen uses to illustrate his worthwhile point. If Mr. Rosen is a comic book example of an overachiever (see above stated educational credentials if you doubt he is an overachiever), Ms. Lewinsky is the comic book provider of oral sex to highly place politicians, certainly eclipsing Linda Lovelace and others you may have heard about. She got famous for this, and thus is easy to relate to. 
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> For this reason, perhaps, Mr. Rosen, uses her. He does so brilliantly to show how legal types and nosy types got away with invading her privacy using computers and the Internet. Ms. Lewinsky was not regarded sympathetically by the media, and perhaps for this reason, the VIOLATION of HER RIGHTS to privacy was ignored as a journalistic topic. She was, in the male chauvinist mentality of the times, simply regarded as an appendage of the OTHER villain in the Clinton/Lewinsky story, Mr. Clinton, destined to become the most famous sex act President in U.S. history (it will be hard for future sex abuse Presidents to top his act). 
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> Mr. Rosen plays the gentleman, and defends Ms. Lewinsky, especially her violated rights to privacy. These rights were invaded when her computer use (to buy books, to write her diary, to send E-Mail communications, etc.) was used AGAINST her (in order to make Mr. Clinton look bad) in flagrant VIOLATION of her rights to free speech and privacy. 
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> Mr. Rosen makes the dubious legal analysis that women seeking redress from sexual harrassment abuses, such as those suffered by Paula Jones and Anita Hill, should trash sexual harrassment charges and instead charge invasion of privacy. This is one of the very few few weak parts of Rosen's book or thinking, but it is such spectacular balderdash that it is worth mentioning. 
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> The author of THE UNWANTED GAZE (title taken from the "Encyclopedia Talmudit," not to be confused with the Talmud) discusses Kenneth Starr's tapes and DoubleClick's (DoubleClick is the world's largest Internet advertising company at present....buy its stock if you want to get rich quick) on-line profiles (they probably have mine gotten from Amazon.Com and also from HotMail, both of whom successfully solicited "profiles" ,i.e. autobiographies, from me). 
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> This smart Yale lawyer prepared by Oxford and Harvard REALLY covers the waterfront. 
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> The result is that readers like me get very scared of the Internet, and start returning to use of OTHER information sources nutty FBI loose cogs (like G. Gordon Liddy and J. Edgar Hoover) can't trace so easily. For instance, NOW, when I want to communicate with one of my celebrity friends, I use the public library's copy of WHO'S WHO IN AMERICA.....their PRINT copy, NOT their on-line copy. THAT WAY bad guys don't know who I'm sending nasty notes to, or nice notes, as the case may be. 
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> Staying away from the Internet might be a healthy thing. Personally, I don't plan to, but you might consider the idea. You'll probably last longer than I will. 
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> Phone Yazz Allen directly at (717) 235 - 1982. Pro actor resume at WWW.IMDb.Com, world's largest movie information database!
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> I wish you warm and gentle sleep!  "Dear night...this world's defeat, the stop to busy fools, care's check and cure!  The day of spirits, my soul's calm retreat which none disturb!".....Henry Vaughn (1622 England - 1695 England)> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:54:23 -0800> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Re: honorable and sincere?> From: aadole at roadrunner.com> To: alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu> > On 2/16/08 7:10 AM, "dl bahr" <dlbahr at hotmail.com> wrote:> > > > > I suppose it is a question of content or identity. In a chatline we do not> > have face to face to identify anyone so I prefer to go by content. It is not> > who you know but what you say that counts. Plenty of people are nitpickers> > and some of us go off the deep end but we learn through the exchange NOT> > through the attack. I dare us to care about us and to come together to Save> > Antioch--this will require tolerance. This is my FINAL comment on this> > thread.> > > >>(Note. I have deliberately erased most of this thread not out of disrespect> for those who commented but to reduce redundancy.)> > This morning after I had ploughed through several chats in which good people> sniped at one another, I turned on one of my favorite programs, Book TV. On> Book TV if you have not seen it, cable channel presents reviews of current> non-fiction each week end. Daniel Solove, a law professor, talked for half> an hour about his new book, "The Future of Reputation: Gossip, Rumor &> Privacy on the Internet."> > Solove's main point is relevant to all of us on this chat and anyone else> who uses the internet. Any statement, true or false, fact or fancy, voiced> by an idiot or a genius, possibly may be shared with millions. Personal> remarks about others can now travel around the planet in seconds. Solove> argued against government control of this threat to privacy and speculated> that perhaps tort (civil) law could be developed to mitigate damage.> > The program may be repeated next week and the book may soon be at OK> (Duffy?).> > Both we geezers and youngsters must cope with the implications of new> technology.> > That's my comment for the day. Feel free to criticize this comment but not> the messenger.> > Art Dole > > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today!
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