[Alumni-chat] Off line, personal communications today sent to both Matt Baya and Art Dole from Y

Fri Feb 15 21:32:52 EST 2008

Well Les,

You have shown how much you hate the "low class" people of the world many times.  I remember the first time I mentioned my proffession (carpenter) you immediately intoned that I must starve my children and beat my wife, since many carpenters that you seem to know of do... since you meet carpenters wives at the batter women's shelter.  

Because all the "low class" people of the world lack the "money and vision" to do anything but spend the grociery money for our kids on cheap beer and beat the unholy snot out of our spouses.

But of course nobody wanted to call you on you disgusting class bigotry.

I could of course have mentioned that you are a farmer's wife, and wondered if your income was based off of underpaid immigrant labor or if you husband neglected your marital bed for the livestock, but that would be a stereotype... wouldn't it?

Of course turning around and saying Yazz Allen is honorable, when SOMEBODY posted here under the the name of his son, claiming class of 92, and giving a description, which nobody who was there in 92 seems to remember.

When asked about this claim, he immediately became defensive and posted vague stuff about contacting people off line and in private.  

But hey, in the parrell universe you live in this is called honorable.  it's like a mirror universe, where left is right, right is left, yazz allen is honorable and I beat my wife and starve my kids (of course if I wanted to do that I would need to marry and breed, but hey... its your fantasy world not mine).  

I've got some choice words for some other folks here too... but that will wait as I'm getting up at 6 am to go work on a saturday for too little money.

kiss my working class ass,
-----G

"We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." 
----Durruti

> From: dlbahr at hotmail.com
> To: alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu
> Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Off line,	personal communications today sent to	both Matt Baya	and Art Dole from Y
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:16:54 +0000
> 
> 
> Dear Yazz Allen:  I agree that some low class behavior was being asserted on the chat over some lighthearted banter.  I do support free speech and light hearted exchange.  We all have the right to speak up or apply brevity as we choose.  I am not for letting puniness trump largess and will speak up if I am able or willing to do so.  This is a chatline and there is a delete button.  I agree that it is not Much Ado About Nothing.
> Sorry you are feeling bullied.  I will miss your posts and your lightheartedness and historical perspective on this forum.  You are a honorable and sincere Antiochian.  Others are very pompous to think their input is much more practical.  This is a chatline not the committee to see who has the most valuable input for Saving Antioch.  Saving Antioch will mostly fall to those with the money, the vision, and the leadership to channel a committed alumni to Save Antioch College.  Not in pc browbeating and rude behavior.
> Enough said,
> Les 
> aka Lesley A. Pownall Bahr
> 
> > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:55:11 -0800
> > From: davidallenusa at yahoo.com
> > To: alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu
> > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Off line,	personal communications today sent to both Matt Baya	and Art Dole from Yazz Allen
> > 
> > Feb. 15, 08
> >    
> >   Hi from Yazz Allen (email me directly at YazzAllen at Yahoo.Com):
> >    
> >   Here's an account of communications with two Antiochians I had today which relate to this chatline.
> >    
> >   Earlier today (Friday, February 15, 2008), I sent both Matt Baya '92 and Art Dole '46 email messages re: issues they raised part of CHATLINE posts which contained my name in the headline of the post!
> >    
> >   Bay contacted me off line at my YazzAllen at Yahoo.Com email address and I replied.  He then replied with a second message.
> >    
> >   I read Art Doles' comment defending Baya and supporting Baya's public chatline demand about me, and pro-actively contacted Dole, whose email address I had since Dole and I were in contact recently via email over other issues.
> >    
> >   The message I sent Dole was returned ....problems with the email address I had for him...which stated it never heard of "Art Dole!"  So......Art didn't get my off line message which was a copy of what I sent to Matt Baya earlier in reply to an off line inquiry he (Matt Baya) emailed me today.
> >    
> >   Baya got back to me with a second email.  A reply to my reply about questions he asked, issues he raised about me about me on the chatline.
> >    
> >   The results of all the interchange which went on were not positive or happy, and Matt and I didn't bury any hatchets or agree in a friendly way about things.
> >    
> >   I post this on the chatline to let people know I have indeed replied to Matt's questions, but not in public....just to him off line.  What he desires to do with the messages I sent him is up to him, but I don't choose to make them public.  Don't know if he desires to do that or will.
> >   
> > Dole never got what I sent, so doesn't know the content....tech problems stopped off line contact with him.  I always respected Art Dole, and thought I should contact him directly since we'd been in contact during the past, directly, and I do have an Art Dole email address...but it didn't work today.
> >   
> > Art, I DID indeed try to contact you directly and let you know my thoughts, but cyberspace didn't cooperate.
> >    
> >   I don't think all this is much ado about nothing.
> >    
> >   I was "testing the waters" about an issue important to me, and the test turned up intolerance, lack of etiquette I require in communication I have and receive, and the the problem of "no class Antiochians" "calling me out" in a no class way.
> >    
> >   Well...........my reaction to all that is...screw it.
> >    
> >   I ain't taking no whippings from no low class guys, or accepting opinions of high class guys I used to respect (Dole) who defend the low class guys.
> >    
> >   Maybe I'll continue to submit posts to this chatline, and maybe not.  I feel like a got a black eye today due to all the communicating which went on.  Not pleasant!
> >    
> >   Warmest wishes,
> >   Yazz Allen
> > 
> > 
> >       Phone Yazz Allen directly at (717) 235 - 1982. Pro actor resume at WWW.IMDb.Com, world's largest movie information database!
> >    
> >   I wish you warm and gentle sleep!  "Dear night...this world's defeat, the stop to busy fools, care's check and cure!  The day of spirits, my soul's calm retreat which none disturb!".....Henry Vaughn (1622 England - 1695 England)
> > 
> > 
> > 
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