[Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection
Gerry Bello
gerrybello at hotmail.com
Tue Feb 12 22:27:15 EST 2008
It's late... and I'm tired and I got to put down a whole bunch of block in the morning.
This is a really patronizing letter and I am angry.
I'll talk about it tomorrow after work and before teaching my wensday nite self defense class.
launder your asbestos cyber suit
"We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute."
----Durruti
> From: dlbahr at hotmail.com
> To: alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu
> Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:52:33 +0000
>
>
> I second that.
> I hope Mr. Bello is not so much of a True Believer that he does not see that part of manhood/womanhood is behaving honorably. Part of an Antioch Education is about learning respect getting and giving it. Mr. Bello has a deep loyalty to his alma mater and I hope he recognizes that all those out here are Antiochians too and feel a similar loyalty. Many are mad it is going the way that it is right now. It has been tough. Although a friend said to me recently, Antioch was tough on all of us. It toughened all of us and made us street smart--threw us out on the streets and said thrive.
>
> Mr Coldren found his form of thriving. Whether we like it or not, we have to respect his being in good standing in this community. We do not deserve to continually be party to this hostile harassment.
>
> We are in dialog with this long tradition that all of us have been very fortunate to have a piece. Not everyone gets to have a piece of the Antioch Adventure. We have much to learn from each other and sometimes you need to reel it in and tolerate someone with a different view than your own. Most are not so bad and may have more in common with you than it appears on the surface.
>
> Gerry, we are all struggling with the times too and want change. The only letter jacket in my days at Antioch, was Antioch Radicals. Many of us have been involved in direct action and protest. America is at a tough crossroads. Many have been wounded and wish there had been someone tough enough to stand up for us and we hate the assholes who hurt us and are hurting and torturing others. Fear needs to be faced and not permitted to run rampant.
>
> Democracy is not just about us and neither is it Utopia. Not every generation is blessed with good leaders. Most generations have had to deal with war, military might, torture and all the other crummy things people do. Yes there are bad "guys" that do need to be put in jail and there are bureaucrats who will enforce policies some that are bad. There are bad ones on both sides of the line. What to do with the bad ones and the bad times might be good to reflect on a little, surely there might have been some people before you who considered these issues and these problems. Most problems have been with us for a while. History has a tendency to repeat itself. Most people think they are right and know it all and that other people are the problem. It takes a strong person to reflect, tolerate, and think through their words and their actions. It is our choice how we want to be in this world.
>
> The best gift I got from Antioch is that education goes on in life and throughout life. It does not stop and that life is in the learning not in the perfecting.
>
> In other words, Gerry, you are not the only Antiochian in the world. Please tone it down and I think an apology is warranted.
> I hope you are practicing your cello for some time every day and that you are bringing home the bacon for that family you will someday be entrusted to care for. You might start saving a little, the future will need you and I hate to see you throw it all away. Part of graduating and eventually finding your way after campus is also part of the Antioch Adventure. You find out there is a home for you out there in Life as well--that the nutshell is part of the bigger picture. We want to see Antioch continue and with some hope it will. If it doesn't, it will live on in us and maybe come back to life at another point. We certainly need to leave a good trail of crumbs and get better at writing our history down.
>
> Plus we have a fighting chance to save it! What an opportunity to show the world what is best about Antioch College and Antiochians. We already know we are some of the Highest Minded and Quirkiest bunch let loose in America. We need to show are Greatness not our Puniness. It is our choice.
>
> I hope you are well and if you are not that you get some help. I work in an emergency room, believe me you are not alone.
>
> Enough said.
> I second Mr. Wasby's motion for a public apology.
>
> Lesley A Pownall Bahr.
>
>
>
> > From: wasb at albany.edu
> > To: alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection
> > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:55:57 -0500
> >
> > When I believe someone contributing to this chatline has gone too far, I
> > usually send a "chiding" note off-line.
> > While the following may get me labelled as an "old fart" (or "old faht" as
> > we say heah in New England), I'm going to say it anyhow.
> >
> > In the message to which I am responding, Gerry Bello --whom I've never met--
> > has gone too far, and deserves a firm public rebuke.
> > Why, Gerry, could you not have stopped your message
> > after "in a while"? It is "fair comment" (I'm not saying I agree) to say
> > that someone else's observation is "political tripe." But the
> > sexually-laden comment with respect to Huckabee supporters is beyond the
> > pale. Were this a "moderated" chat-line, you would be "gone, quick."
> > While Mr. Coldren (whom I also have not met) may
> > be in a distinct minority ideologically among Antioch graduates, the reality
> > is that there are political conservatives --and undoubtedly some Huckabee
> > supporters-- among those who have attended Antioch.
> > And they deserve respect, just as the "liberalism" of the vast majority of
> > Antiochians also deserves respect; however, I would note the comments of one
> > prof I know who said that "liberalism is not just a matter of reading THE
> > NEW REPUBLIC."
> >
> > I believe Mr. Bello should make a public apology to all those who read the
> > entries on this chatline.
> >
> > Steve Wasby '59
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gerry Bello" <gerrybello at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Alumni Chat List" <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:07 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wow David... thats one of the best pieces of ideologically laden tripe I've
> > read in a while. You just get home from a handjobs for Huckabee rally or
> > something?
> >
> > > From: jdavid at coldren.net
> > > To: alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu
> > > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection
> > > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:53:33 -0600
> > >
> > > Sistersara,
> > >
> > > I agree with much of your analysis. Jim Dixon was a doctrinaire Kennedy
> > > liberal
> >
> > Kennedy wasnt around long enough to create doctrine.
> >
> > >who got all too enamored of the Johnson Great Society programs,
> > > pushed in no small part by a bunch of Harvard liberal intellectuals who
> > > got
> > > control of the major foundations, think tanks, and other positions of
> > > public
> > > policy leadership.
> >
> > Why dont you just jump out and say clique of commie symps instead of
> > "Harvard liberal intellectuals"
> >
> > Come to think of thats the 2nd use of liberal as a negative in your first
> > sentence of you rant. You must really hate and fear those people.
> >
> > >He and I had a good-natured banter back and forth about
> > > the prospects of the War on Poverty and other Johnson initiatives that
> > > have
> > > proven to have cost trillions in treasure with hardly any structural
> > > impact
> > > on poverty.
> >
> > As opposed to the trillions of treasure spent of prisons and pigs (like you)
> > that have had little impact on crime.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > On the other hand, I was an enthusiastic supporter--as a Development
> > > Office
> > > staffer--of Dixon's bold "network" strategy
> >
> > The one that wound up fucking us you mean? Thanks... the Network... I mean
> > university... I mean...
> >
> > The one LONG TERM planning move that Dixon made... that turned out to be the
> > poison pill that may have killed us.
> >
> > >and I worked hard developing
> > > support and writing all kinds of stuff for Antioch-Columbia, the Antioch
> > > School of Law, and a couple of other now forgotten pioneering disposable
> > > campuses. Dixon was an expansionist much in keeping with the political
> > > winds
> > > still blowing from the Great Society.
> >
> > When you attempt to grow and succeed you are an expansionist.
> >
> > Fail and they call it hubris. Thats what they are going to say about GW in
> > history books. You know the current Repulican nightmare motherfucker that
> > you slavishly worship.
> >
> >
> > >When Nixon came into office and
> > > tried--but failed--to reverse the growth of the Leviathan State, much of
> > > the
> > > wind behind Antioch's sails disappeared.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah... awesome. Tell me why you like Nixon.
> >
> >
> > > Now we'll see if the contraction from a mediocre University to a
> > > free-standing College can be accomplished by the ACCC. Which is why I
> > > maintain that we need much more long-range perspective before we can come
> > > to
> > > any assessment of the Dixon era; Edla Dixon's wonderful book to the
> > > contrary
> > > notwithstanding.
> >
> > It's pretty clear that Dixion created a
> >
> > >
> > > I remain optimistic about Antioch's future but somewhat guarded about the
> > > prospect that the higher education siren songs being sung by the promoters
> > > of a Clinton II or Obama administration might lure Antioch once again into
> > > the vortex of federal funding dependency.
> >
> > Dont worry honey. McCain the war criminal will win. To bad the vietnamese
> > let him go instead of sending him to the gallows. But oh well now he'll be
> > president instead. In any contest between 3 liberal republican the one with
> > the best record on gun-control will win every time.
> >
> > Since not a one of them will end the war at least we'll get the one that
> > wont touch my stash. Which is good. Dont want anybody getting in the way of
> > me wasting conservatives in Texas.
> >
> >
> > > I think that some members of the
> > > ACCC are alert to that danger and are building a foundation of private
> > > support instead.
> > >
> >
> > No, they'll be smart and take all the money they can get from whatever
> > source available.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > J. David Coldren '65
> >
> > ---G-love
> >
> > Still fulla hate in 2008
> >
> > "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt
> > about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it
> > leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who
> > ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better
> > next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is
> > growing this minute."
> > ----Durruti
> >
> >
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