From pas0705 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 09:33:18 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Fri Feb 1 09:33:21 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] This week's record Message-ID: <990565.24313.qm@web63909.mail.re1.yahoo.com> The next record of this term is now online at http://recordonline.org The two front page articles have the full text posted: "Against the odds," an article on the visit to campus by the ACCC by Erin-Aja Grant. http://recordonline.org/2008/01/31/against-the-odds/ The other front page article is "Yellow Springs says No to Coal" by Carl Reverts. http://recordonline.org/2008/01/31/yellow-springs-says-no-to-coal/ For the rest of the articles, please download the full PDF, found at the bottom of the left-hand column on the page, or directly at: http://recordonline.org/2008/01/31/record-vol-63-issue-17-january-31-2008-pdf/ Cheers Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From duffy at antioch-college.edu Fri Feb 1 15:23:59 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Fri Feb 1 15:24:07 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] intangible you Message-ID: Hey there, friends, romans and countrywomyn. It's Groundhog day tomorrow and some of us in Yellow Springs, Ohio are ready for Spring. We have had some snow, some drear and wilding vacillating temps. which probably matches our own emotional rollercoaster of a ride here. On a terribly brutally cold but clear day last week it was wonderful to see the white sycamores on the horseshoe look like lightning bolts across a freezing blue sky. I remember when those trees were saplings and they are now becoming huge. I wish our endownment and enrollment woulda grown as much. How many folks are so busy winning their victories for humanity whiule studying that they don't even notice those trees..especially when the leaves are gone. Bob Bieri, Ed Samuels, Jim Howell, Ken Hunt or Walt Tulecke would probably have said ...hey look....and then slide in some botany on you!!! Of course, along with thoughts of Spring comes thoughts for Commencement.. This week there has been a Commencement speaker election of sorts. There are several good potential speakers on the ballot. Some internal or familial like Jimmy Williams, Steve Lawry and Rick Daily and some external like Patricia Hill-Collins, Rob Lorei, Mbanna Kantako, Dorothy Roberts, Derrick Jensen or Sadie Benning. ( I could provide some bios..but will hope you will google them if yore curious>) But the most scintillating part of an Antioch election is that folks so want folks to vote that the polls have some fixed hours but also roaming hours. So if you were to get stuck in the Library at a computer ...the Polls at some point might come by looking for you. And of course you also get to vote for the top three by rank 1,2,3. ....1 being the person you like the most. Imagine ranking Obama, Hillary and Dennis Kucinich? or imagine the the League of Women Voters or the Diebold people coming to your house or workplace. In between our ocassional tsurris here there are wonderful and magical intangibles...like the roaming ballot box.... Yours from somewhere between where you are and utopia. Hopefully many things will commence at this commencement. Come if you can and when you can. Duffy '77 at the Big Olive (Kettering Library) where folks are enjoying great post colonial moments...i.e. folks reading Jean Rhys, Jamaica Kincaid and Frantz Fanon. and reading tons of other stuff as well. From Sistersara at aol.com Fri Feb 1 16:54:23 2008 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 1 16:54:35 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] intangible you Message-ID: In a message dated 2/1/2008 2:24:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, duffy@antioch-college.edu writes: Yours from somewhere between where you are and utopia. Hopefully many things will commence at this commencement. Come if you can and when you can. Duffy '77 at the Big Olive (Kettering Library) where folks are enjoying great post colonial moments...i.e. folks reading Jean Rhys, Jamaica Kincaid and Frantz Fanon. and reading tons of other stuff as well. Duffy, he might not be the speaker from Utopia, but isn't this the kind of occasion where one invites someone like Senator Sherrod Brown to give the address? Sometimes these honors should go to someone who needs to be invested in the College in ways that could make a huge difference. Sometimes the struggle is really about making alliances after all, and not just making statements. Don't you just think a stump speech from the mound about the importance of renewing Antioch from that sort of person might be appropriate? In 1953 the 100th Founder's day speech was delivered by Senator Ralph Flanders -- the guy who put together the coalition to take down old Joe McCarthy. A Vermont Republican. He and his biographers all agree that it was his visit to the college, his discussions with Antiochians that emotionally committed him to the effort to do in old Joe. And yep, putting Joe and his witch hunt in its place was a victory for humanity. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From jdavid at coldren.net Fri Feb 1 20:43:02 2008 From: jdavid at coldren.net (J. David Coldren) Date: Fri Feb 1 20:43:45 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] intangible you In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <039901c8653c$f4befea0$de3cfbe0$@net> I'm all for inviting an influential person, but what can Sen. Brown actually do to help the ACCC? Pass legislation? For what? Attract media attention to Antioch College for a news cycle? I'd rather find somebody who is interesting, has something to say (about technology or energy innovations, for instance) and can give a building or endow an academic chair in return for an honorary degree. Of course, I'm only dreaming. J. David Coldren '65 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Sistersara@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 3:54 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] intangible you In a message dated 2/1/2008 2:24:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, duffy@antioch-college.edu writes: Yours from somewhere between where you are and utopia. Hopefully many things will commence at this commencement. Come if you can and when you can. Duffy '77 at the Big Olive (Kettering Library) where folks are enjoying great post colonial moments...i.e. folks reading Jean Rhys, Jamaica Kincaid and Frantz Fanon. and reading tons of other stuff as well. Duffy, he might not be the speaker from Utopia, but isn't this the kind of occasion where one invites someone like Senator Sherrod Brown to give the address? Sometimes these honors should go to someone who needs to be invested in the College in ways that could make a huge difference. Sometimes the struggle is really about making alliances after all, and not just making statements. Don't you just think a stump speech from the mound about the importance of renewing Antioch from that sort of person might be appropriate? In 1953 the 100th Founder's day speech was delivered by Senator Ralph Flanders -- the guy who put together the coalition to take down old Joe McCarthy. A Vermont Republican. He and his biographers all agree that it was his visit to the college, his discussions with Antiochians that emotionally committed him to the effort to do in old Joe. And yep, putting Joe and his witch hunt in its place was a victory for humanity. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 00025 48) _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From Sistersara at aol.com Sat Feb 2 00:36:59 2008 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 2 00:37:05 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] intangible you Message-ID: In a message dated 2/1/2008 7:43:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, jdavid@coldren.net writes: I'm all for inviting an influential person, but what can Sen. Brown actually do to help the ACCC? Pass legislation? For what? Senator Brown is a passionate progressive from Northern Ohio. Things he could do.... Co-op Jobs on Capitol Hill. Some internships pay pretty well. Perhaps Co-op/internships with non-profit progressive lobby outfits in and around the Hill. One of Brown's special interests is innovation in K-12 public education. He sponsors considerable work particularly focused on the problems in rust-belt communities. SE Ohio, Akron, Canton, Youngstown and the Loraine area on Lake Erie -- old steeltown. Not really now, but eventually, maybe there is a place for Antioch in research-experimental work in this needy but vast issue complex. Brown is close to what remains of the Labor Movement in Ohio. My Cousin who recently retired as Director of Research in an institute attached to the Department of Education, felt so strongly about him last year when he was running for his first term, he rented an Apartment in Akron (where we were both born) and ran part of Brown's campaign as a full time volunteer, doing something that had not been done in Ohio in years, doing a full voter ID of the county, and training volunteers to organize precincts and get people to the polls. He had done the same thing with Kerry in 2004, understood all the problems, and was able to accomplish wonders because Ohio Democrats know they need to get their act together. And yea, they picked up about 15 points on what Bush did in 2004. So maybe, without going to DC, there are co-op possibilities with some of the movements that are emerging in Ohio to improve the lives of people who have been, in large measure, left behind. I tease my cousin -- Telling others that in Retirement he took up his old Paper Route. He laughs, but then says that whereas he had a hundred Beacon Journal subscriptions in a string of apartments along one of the major Roads in town -- today there are only a half dozen subscriptions, either people can't read or can't afford the paper. Apparently there are also a group of new foundations in Ohio that are trying to link up new technology with Community College training programs. Brown is hard at work getting this funded. There is, apparently some competition between states on this, for instance Minnesota and Ohio are competing for support for putting wind turbines in Lake Superior versus Lake Erie. Minnesota has made the short list for getting the Danish Wind Turbine factory, and it doesn't include Ohio -- the Danes make the world class Turbines. Anyhow, I gather Ohio could produce about 20% of its energy requirements this way, and one way or another I suppose they will build them. So perhaps Brown is a way into planning and new thinking about Ohio's future economy. The Journalist, Greg Palaast, served as energy advisor to the last Democratic Governor of Ohio -- early 1980's, and he tells me that the electrical infrastructure in Ohio is about the worst in the whole country. Virtually no significant Capital Investment since the early 70's when Industry began to depart. 3M (St. Paul) has just given notice it has invented, tested and perfected a new type of long transmission line that can push through 4-5 times as much power as the older aluminum or copper lines. Currently cost of replacement is fairly high comparatively, but if manufacture is ramped up, it will come way down. What this means is you can use the old transmission towers and right of way, and push through much more power, meaning you don't have to acquire new Powerline routes. Apparently Sherrod Brown is very very interested in pushing this solution in Ohio -- remember it was a sagging powerline in the area south of Akron that set off the great black-out of a few years ago. Powerlines sag when they get hot from too much juice being pushed through them, and they become profoundly inefficient. The new 3M innovation uses non sag carbon fiber at the core to support the line. No sag, less heat, and multiple higher efficiency. They are said to be working on another new style line, same extra efficiency, but waterproof, so can be easily buried without conduit. This is particularly important if generation on windfarms becomes more common, as it will. It can also be used around built up and residential areas where people rightly object to transmission towers as an eyesore. Anyhow -- this is apparently also something Sherrod Brown is hard at work on these days, and I can well imagine one or another Antiochian would find it of interest. Palaast says getting the Ohio Legislature to push line replacement is essential -- and it will be hard work. So -- these are at least some of my reasons for thinking a good relationship might be advantageous for Antioch. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From matt at baya.net Sat Feb 2 00:43:05 2008 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Sat Feb 2 00:43:10 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] intangible you In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For the record I believe from Duffy's e-mail that the 'short list' of commencement speakers has already been chosen and folks on campus are voting on the order of invitation, so this discussion about other nominees is probably too late. We could always try to have someone as a guest speaker during reunion though, especially if hundreds (or ideally thousands) of us are going to be there to celebrate (knock on wood) -Matt From davidallenusa at yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 12:25:54 2008 From: davidallenusa at yahoo.com (YAZZ ALLEN) Date: Sat Feb 2 12:25:57 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Missing ANTIOCH COLLEGE movies OTHER THAN "Antioch Adventure Pt. One and Two?" Anyone know or remember about Antioch content movies which disappeared? Message-ID: <849523.82829.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Feb. 2, 08 Hi from Yazz (David) Allen '92, son of geezer David Allen '66 (Email me at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com): Does ANYONE reading this have information about or (better yet) actual copies of ANTIOCH content movies OTHER THAN the two famous "Antioch Adventure Part One and Part Two" of 1967 and 1988 respectively. OTHER movies about Antioch and made by Antiochians exist, and should be discussed and exchanged! I've heard an "Antioch Adventure Part THREE" movie was made, but never learned more about that. In 1963, my father, David Roger Allen '66, starred in an Antioch College student movie titled THE EASTER PARADE made by then Antioch College student film-maker of fame, Mike Mideke '66. The movie was shot in Winter Quarter in 1963 Chicago, and screened for a huge student crowd in Kelly Hall auditorium, Antioch Hall Main Building during Spring Quarter. David Allen '66 was asked to give autographs for his memorable role as "Jesus In Chicago" and he did! What an ego that man had (still does!). During my father's stay at Antioch in the 1960's, he states that OLD OLD Antioch movies from the 1920's were screened for students. "Young" Arthur E. Morgan, still in his 40's and not yet crowned with grey hair was seen in these silent movies (16 mm probably). The "Antioch Bluejays" baseball team of the 1920's (undefeated, no doubt!) was also seen. My father also reports that Antioch student movie makers filmed Antioch protesters in Columbus, Ohio during the Fall Quarter 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis....the movie about the Antioch student CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS OF 1962 protestors was screened at AMPAC one week later. Mike Mideke '66, Rick Patton '66, and Mike Houghton '66 were sort of the "three musketeers" Antioch movie makers of fame back in those times. They made a LOT of movies then, and about Antioch with Antioch students and the campus as part of it all. If ANYONE knows of ANY Antioch related movie film anywhere, please post what you know on this site. The subject of "Antioch Apocropha" movies is interesting and important...by this I mean movies OTHER than the two famous ANTIOCH ADVENTURE movies made in 1967 by Marc Stone '67 and in 1988 by Thanos Fatouros '89 respectively. Thanks. Yazz (David) Allen '92 ---- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my movie actor photos and recent credits at WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor, "WWW.CastingNetworks.Com. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From duffy at antioch-college.edu Sat Feb 2 12:38:58 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Sat Feb 2 12:39:09 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] intangible you In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have heard that there is a possibility that reunion and commencement might almost be concurrent. Maybe this will be reunion 2.50. or just an extra gathering. How interesting that might be.... an impromptu pep rally... So there may be other speakers. But also figure that some Awards are probably already set in place. I had Rita Mae Brown at my commencement put wriggled in a suit under 90 degree heat so wasn't paying her all that much attention.....I don't think I needed any pomp or circumstance... You would have to ask the current folks on the alumni board. I would imagine that the Board's plate is overflowing 24-7 and there is so much up in the air between now and their next on campus meeting.... which is at the tail end of the month and into the start of March. I am grateful for the Alumni Board for all they have done......and am glad to see folks like Ellen Borgersen, Rick Daily, Don Wallace and Catherine Jordan who have come and stayed at intervals to keep us on the right course. Antioch must mean alot to them to give up pieces of their careers and spend the extra time and money it takes to be our advocates..... I hope we can all pray, push and prod some more so a win-win comes out of this whirlwind. and network with friends so if the moment arrives for that new start folks will have some energy and direction. There is a tremendous core of possibilities here no matter how few light bulbs will stay on for some period of time. Even in some of those dark roller coaster moments here as a forty year community member every now and then there is something to give hope. I have read about Deep Springs College.....a place that has managed to be around for a very long time....have an enrollment of 26 students and still manage to produce MacArthur scholars and raise 1 million for their annual fund. I think we have 14x the number of living alums that they have. and more MacArthur geniuses as well. Down the road with a little nurturing from many of you and your friends we can gradually add more and more lightbulbs here...hopefully the greener kind. Happy Groundhog Day. Sister Sara.....if the winter in Minne-sota drags out too long come on back to visit your Ohio roots and maybe come here for day trip. We will even have a coupla days in the fifties even next week. >From a person who loves turning on the lights..at the Big Olive (Kettering Library) Duffy '77 From jdavid at coldren.net Sat Feb 2 14:01:39 2008 From: jdavid at coldren.net (J. David Coldren) Date: Sat Feb 2 14:01:55 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] intangible you In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01a701c865ce$0edde2b0$2c99a810$@net> As usual, Sistersara knows whereof she speaks. And she presents great reasons why Sen. Brown should be doing all the things she mentions now. Nothing's stopping him. But right now, compassionate liberalism aside, we need MONEY. And lots of it. J. David Coldren '65 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Sistersara@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:37 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] intangible you In a message dated 2/1/2008 7:43:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, jdavid@coldren.net writes: I'm all for inviting an influential person, but what can Sen. Brown actually do to help the ACCC? Pass legislation? For what? Senator Brown is a passionate progressive from Northern Ohio. Things he could do.... Co-op Jobs on Capitol Hill. Some internships pay pretty well. Perhaps Co-op/internships with non-profit progressive lobby outfits in and around the Hill. One of Brown's special interests is innovation in K-12 public education. He sponsors considerable work particularly focused on the problems in rust-belt communities. SE Ohio, Akron, Canton, Youngstown and the Loraine area on Lake Erie -- old steeltown. Not really now, but eventually, maybe there is a place for Antioch in research-experimental work in this needy but vast issue complex. Brown is close to what remains of the Labor Movement in Ohio. My Cousin who recently retired as Director of Research in an institute attached to the Department of Education, felt so strongly about him last year when he was running for his first term, he rented an Apartment in Akron (where we were both born) and ran part of Brown's campaign as a full time volunteer, doing something that had not been done in Ohio in years, doing a full voter ID of the county, and training volunteers to organize precincts and get people to the polls. He had done the same thing with Kerry in 2004, understood all the problems, and was able to accomplish wonders because Ohio Democrats know they need to get their act together. And yea, they picked up about 15 points on what Bush did in 2004. So maybe, without going to DC, there are co-op possibilities with some of the movements that are emerging in Ohio to improve the lives of people who have been, in large measure, left behind. I tease my cousin -- Telling others that in Retirement he took up his old Paper Route. He laughs, but then says that whereas he had a hundred Beacon Journal subscriptions in a string of apartments along one of the major Roads in town -- today there are only a half dozen subscriptions, either people can't read or can't afford the paper. Apparently there are also a group of new foundations in Ohio that are trying to link up new technology with Community College training programs. Brown is hard at work getting this funded. There is, apparently some competition between states on this, for instance Minnesota and Ohio are competing for support for putting wind turbines in Lake Superior versus Lake Erie. Minnesota has made the short list for getting the Danish Wind Turbine factory, and it doesn't include Ohio -- the Danes make the world class Turbines. Anyhow, I gather Ohio could produce about 20% of its energy requirements this way, and one way or another I suppose they will build them. So perhaps Brown is a way into planning and new thinking about Ohio's future economy. The Journalist, Greg Palaast, served as energy advisor to the last Democratic Governor of Ohio -- early 1980's, and he tells me that the electrical infrastructure in Ohio is about the worst in the whole country. Virtually no significant Capital Investment since the early 70's when Industry began to depart. 3M (St. Paul) has just given notice it has invented, tested and perfected a new type of long transmission line that can push through 4-5 times as much power as the older aluminum or copper lines. Currently cost of replacement is fairly high comparatively, but if manufacture is ramped up, it will come way down. What this means is you can use the old transmission towers and right of way, and push through much more power, meaning you don't have to acquire new Powerline routes. Apparently Sherrod Brown is very very interested in pushing this solution in Ohio -- remember it was a sagging powerline in the area south of Akron that set off the great black-out of a few years ago. Powerlines sag when they get hot from too much juice being pushed through them, and they become profoundly inefficient. The new 3M innovation uses non sag carbon fiber at the core to support the line. No sag, less heat, and multiple higher efficiency. They are said to be working on another new style line, same extra efficiency, but waterproof, so can be easily buried without conduit. This is particularly important if generation on windfarms becomes more common, as it will. It can also be used around built up and residential areas where people rightly object to transmission towers as an eyesore. Anyhow -- this is apparently also something Sherrod Brown is hard at work on these days, and I can well imagine one or another Antiochian would find it of interest. Palaast says getting the Ohio Legislature to push line replacement is essential -- and it will be hard work. So -- these are at least some of my reasons for thinking a good relationship might be advantageous for Antioch. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 00025 48) _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From jimjaf at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 14:44:34 2008 From: jimjaf at gmail.com (Jim Jaffe) Date: Sat Feb 2 14:44:37 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] speakers Message-ID: <25b98cf20802021144yea892ccx10a3a1b7bcf70888@mail.gmail.com> Coldren's again right (and, of course, he's always been Right). There's a need to affiliate with someone who's both a visionary and experienced in actually implementing change. In a calmer environment, I'd be inclined to recommend Newt, but that obviously isn't a possibility here. The real problem is in letting the perfect become the enemy of the good. Forging a relationship with a Senator (DeWine was actually a neighbor) can't hurt and could do some good. But a lengthy debate about who the absolutely best Senator would be (putting calendars aside) seems like an empty exercise. Jim Jaffe, '65 From jdavid at coldren.net Sat Feb 2 15:06:32 2008 From: jdavid at coldren.net (J. David Coldren) Date: Sat Feb 2 15:06:50 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] speakers In-Reply-To: <25b98cf20802021144yea892ccx10a3a1b7bcf70888@mail.gmail.com> References: <25b98cf20802021144yea892ccx10a3a1b7bcf70888@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01ba01c865d7$216b8e10$6442aa30$@net> Once again, H.R., your perspicacity is outshined only by your reputation! J. David Coldren '65 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Jaffe Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 1:45 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: [Alumni-chat] speakers Coldren's again right (and, of course, he's always been Right). There's a need to affiliate with someone who's both a visionary and experienced in actually implementing change. In a calmer environment, I'd be inclined to recommend Newt, but that obviously isn't a possibility here. The real problem is in letting the perfect become the enemy of the good. Forging a relationship with a Senator (DeWine was actually a neighbor) can't hurt and could do some good. But a lengthy debate about who the absolutely best Senator would be (putting calendars aside) seems like an empty exercise. Jim Jaffe, '65 _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From Sistersara at aol.com Sat Feb 2 15:36:54 2008 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 2 15:37:01 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] intangible you Message-ID: In a message dated 2/2/2008 1:02:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, jdavid@coldren.net writes: As usual, Sistersara knows whereof she speaks. And she presents great reasons why Sen. Brown should be doing all the things she mentions now. Nothing's stopping him. But right now, compassionate liberalism aside, we need MONEY. And lots of it. J. David Coldren '65 I agree -- Finance will be essential to success. No argument. Now, just last weekend I read a book about an Antiochian. Funny thing, I've known quite a bit about this guy over the past five or six years, but didn't connect him with Antioch. Book has lovely things to say about his Antioch Education, which partially overlaps with mine. The Book: "The Argument: Billionaires, Bloggers and the Battle to Remake Democratic Politics" Penguin, 2007 -- by Matt Bai, writes on National Politics for the NYTimes Magazine. Anyhow, the Antiochian featured in the book -- the guy who is actually organizing Democratic Billionaires, is Rob Stern, lives in DC. Class of 1966. Rob became famous in Democratic circles right after the 2004 election, because he had built up over about ten years an analysis of what Bloggers call "The Republican Noise Machine" (The Presentation is actually called "The Conservative Message Machine Money Matrix") -- and had put it together as a power point presentation designed to focus Democratic Strategists and very large donors on our institutional needs. Will be interesting to see how much of a very large project he ultimately accomplishes. The brother and sister bloggers with whom I regularly interact were not particularly thrilled by Bai's treatment of them in the book -- but I bought the book anyhow, and there it sat in a stack for several months. But for those interested -- particularly Antiochians of the 60's era, I'd recommend it. I certainly think our AC3 folk might want to see what Rob Stein is up to, though I assume he is quite busy. And Duffy -- if the Library is buying any books these days, this one should be in the collection. And yes, I would also add Rob Stein to the list of very interesting people who should sometime be invited to speak at Antioch. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From jdavid at coldren.net Sat Feb 2 16:32:42 2008 From: jdavid at coldren.net (J. David Coldren) Date: Sat Feb 2 16:33:07 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] intangible you In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01e301c865e3$2ec9d560$8c5d8020$@net> "The Republican Noise Machine" is a book by David Brock, former conservative journalist now serving as a token Republican at the New York Times and his own sort of noise machine--albeit quite inconsequential. I'm not sure Rob Stein has done all that much to actually organize and squeeze cash from leftist billionaires (and there are many of them!) to support Democratic causes. If he has, he's terribly discreet. Like my friend Philip Schaefer, who is a long-time fund-raiser from rich and sometimes on-the-lam donors (a little in-joke there, folks) for Clinton, Inc., I suspect he thinks that the less reported in public, the better. J. David Coldren '65 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Sistersara@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 2:37 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] intangible you In a message dated 2/2/2008 1:02:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, jdavid@coldren.net writes: As usual, Sistersara knows whereof she speaks. And she presents great reasons why Sen. Brown should be doing all the things she mentions now. Nothing's stopping him. But right now, compassionate liberalism aside, we need MONEY. And lots of it. J. David Coldren '65 I agree -- Finance will be essential to success. No argument. Now, just last weekend I read a book about an Antiochian. Funny thing, I've known quite a bit about this guy over the past five or six years, but didn't connect him with Antioch. Book has lovely things to say about his Antioch Education, which partially overlaps with mine. The Book: "The Argument: Billionaires, Bloggers and the Battle to Remake Democratic Politics" Penguin, 2007 -- by Matt Bai, writes on National Politics for the NYTimes Magazine. Anyhow, the Antiochian featured in the book -- the guy who is actually organizing Democratic Billionaires, is Rob Stern, lives in DC. Class of 1966. Rob became famous in Democratic circles right after the 2004 election, because he had built up over about ten years an analysis of what Bloggers call "The Republican Noise Machine" (The Presentation is actually called "The Conservative Message Machine Money Matrix") -- and had put it together as a power point presentation designed to focus Democratic Strategists and very large donors on our institutional needs. Will be interesting to see how much of a very large project he ultimately accomplishes. The brother and sister bloggers with whom I regularly interact were not particularly thrilled by Bai's treatment of them in the book -- but I bought the book anyhow, and there it sat in a stack for several months. But for those interested -- particularly Antiochians of the 60's era, I'd recommend it. I certainly think our AC3 folk might want to see what Rob Stein is up to, though I assume he is quite busy. And Duffy -- if the Library is buying any books these days, this one should be in the collection. And yes, I would also add Rob Stein to the list of very interesting people who should sometime be invited to speak at Antioch. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 00025 48) _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From Sistersara at aol.com Sat Feb 2 17:39:34 2008 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 2 17:39:38 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] intangible you Message-ID: In a message dated 2/2/2008 3:33:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, jdavid@coldren.net writes: I'm not sure Rob Stein has done all that much to actually organize and squeeze cash from leftist billionaires (and there are many of them!) to support Democratic causes. If he has, he's terribly discreet. Not all that discreet if Matt Bai writes a book about you, and publishes it. Rob Stein does not seem to actually have a title, but Bai describes him as "Chief Visionary and Recruiter" for the Democratic Alliance. There is a small inner circle, of which Soros's management team is part, it includes Andy Stern of Service Workers International, and an activist group of Alliance Members. The book is in no small part about how Stein began with an analysis, and created what now seems to be a fairly smoothly functioning organization. All I am saying is read the book -- and yep, perhaps there are other Antiochians interested in this sort of progressive high end fund raising. And yes, the Alliance has raised quite a bit of money -- the Bai reporting ended early in 2007, but apparently at that point it was about 60 million. This is not for candidates or the party, it is for infrastructure. The other part of the book is about the rise of progressive bloggers. Bai has many critical things to say, points to a number of real mistakes that have been made by individual bloggers, yet in the end considers the whole movement significant yeast in the party. Bloggers have provided the key support for winning two Senate Seats, and perhaps a dozen House Seats in 2006 -- and I suspect will do well this year too. Bloggers probably provided the necessary support to elect Howard Dean Chair of the Party, and then defended him against the old line in DC. In 2006 Bloggers did their own targeting of races, and identified and won more than Rahm Emanual did with the DCCC targeting. This week is interesting -- there are two races, one in Chicago, one in Maryland where Bloggers have identified less than progressive democratic incumbents for defeat in primaries, and have significantly financed and organized volunteers for the more progressive replacement candidates. It is not enough to show Progressive Candidates that Bloggers can generate needed support -- it is also necessary to deliver the message that such support can go away, go to someone else, should one be faithless to Progressive priorities. What Bai's book is then about is these two parallel developments. It is very much a work in progress. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From thebangaloreblue at yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 19:45:00 2008 From: thebangaloreblue at yahoo.com (TheBangaloreBlue) Date: Sat Feb 2 19:45:03 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Admissions Recruiting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <173291.83274.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I'm sorry in advance if this has been discussed, but I am seriously concerned about admissions. Currently, the college's website says that the college is only accepting applications from transfer students. What about incoming first-years? It is February! How many students have we lost (or are losing) - especially given the bad (and good) press about the College? Why isn't the admissions web page updated? Is there a plan to recruit potential students? If no new students come in, the FTE at Antioch will drop again - and that will mean continued reductions in staffing, resources, etc... which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. What's going on??? --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From dlbahr at hotmail.com Sat Feb 2 21:27:41 2008 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Sat Feb 2 21:27:44 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Admissions Recruiting In-Reply-To: <173291.83274.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <173291.83274.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It is hard to recruit when there is no Letter of Intent formalized between AU BoT and A3C's. Dude, where is our college? It's future has not been determined which kinda makes it difficult to recruit. We are all in the dark until there is some formal communication and information shared. Much behind the scenes activity is taking place no doubt. Not much is being shared in public forums or sites. Does A3C have a web site? It is hoped that more will be shared and we will see a clear game plan SOON so that we can get on with Saving Antioch. We will need money, leaders, governance plan, recruiters, academic minds, and students to secure a more stable future. Time will tell. Wishing all involved strength and clear vision. Lesley A Pownall Bahr '83 SEIC, local 113's newest member. As of 01/31/2008, I am a Union Maid along with a groundswell of service workers at my hospital workplace. "You can't scare me I AM sticking with the Union!" (and with Antiochians!) "STRONGER, TOGETHER!" > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:45:00 -0800 > From: thebangaloreblue@yahoo.com > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Admissions Recruiting > > I'm sorry in advance if this has been discussed, but I am seriously concerned about admissions. > > Currently, the college's website says that the college is only accepting applications from transfer students. What about incoming first-years? It is February! How many students have we lost (or are losing) - especially given the bad (and good) press about the College? > > Why isn't the admissions web page updated? > > Is there a plan to recruit potential students? > > If no new students come in, the FTE at Antioch will drop again - and that will mean continued reductions in staffing, resources, etc... which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. > > What's going on??? > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging.?You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join From duffy at antioch-college.edu Mon Feb 4 14:38:31 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Mon Feb 4 14:38:39 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Commencement speaker outcome Message-ID: on todaze internal announcements ----- Original Message ----- Monday, February 04, 2008 1:58:00 PM Announcements From: Dennie Eagleson Subject: Commencement speaker outcome To: Announcements Pulse To the Community: The Commencent Committee met this morning to tally the votes from the community vote for Commencement 2008 speaker. The top three candidates are #1 Jimmy Wiliams, #2 Patricia Hill Collins #3 Derrick Jensen. The final outcome is pending appropriate approval, and final acceptance by the candidate. Andrjez Bloch, attended the meeting and indicated his support for the Community selection process. A total of 125 community members voted, including five off campus graduating seniors. Thanks to everyone who partipated in this process! For the committee, Dennie Eagleson From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Feb 4 21:42:30 2008 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Feb 4 21:42:33 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Commencement speaker outcome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Now I'll definately be there. Anything to see Jimmy again "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:38:31 -0500 > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > From: duffy@antioch-college.edu > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Commencement speaker outcome > > on todaze internal announcements > ----- Original Message ----- > > Monday, February 04, 2008 1:58:00 PM > Announcements > From: Dennie Eagleson > Subject: Commencement speaker outcome > To: Announcements > Pulse > > To the Community: > > The Commencent Committee met this morning to tally the votes from the > community vote for Commencement 2008 speaker. The top three candidates > are > #1 Jimmy Wiliams, > #2 Patricia Hill Collins > #3 Derrick Jensen. > > The final outcome is pending appropriate approval, and final acceptance > by the candidate. > > Andrjez Bloch, attended the meeting and indicated his support for the > Community selection process. > > A total of 125 community members voted, including five off campus > graduating seniors. Thanks to everyone who partipated in this process! > For the committee, > > Dennie Eagleson > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From davidallenusa at yahoo.com Tue Feb 5 20:48:27 2008 From: davidallenusa at yahoo.com (YAZZ ALLEN) Date: Tue Feb 5 20:48:30 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] More about ANTIOCH COLLEGE, Ohio, Student and College Promo Movies From Past Years! Where are they? Message-ID: <265717.3497.qm@web52011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Feb. 5, 08 Hi from Yazz (David) Allen '92 (son of David Allen '66)....Email me at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com): More about the subject of "Antioch Apocropha" movies is interesting and important...by this I mean movies OTHER than the two famous ANTIOCH ADVENTURE movies made in 1967 by Marc Stone '67 and in 1988 by Thanos Fatouros '89 respectively. Hopefully, ANTIOCHIANA has a film collection/ video collection. What we need is a guy like Robert Straker, Antioch '25 who was one of the GREAT Antioch memorabilia collectors (he wrote HORACE MANN AND OTHERS published by the Antioch Press when you and I were Antioch undergrads in the 60's.....Louie Filler wrote the Forward to that....I have a copy!). I also remember seeing a Kelly Hall screened student movie during maybe Fall '62 (my very first quarter at Antioch) by a student film-maker named, I think, "Nick Dorsky." Something like that. I should check m Antioch Alumni Directory. The movie was about the digging of the Curl Gym Swimming Pool, and was a nutty, just for fun black and white movie, probably shot in 16 MM. The CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS OF 1962 movie was likely done by the trio of Mike Mideke (my Chicago Il co-op roommate in Winter Quarter of 1963), Mike Houghton, and Rick Patton. I think Steve Gould (aka "Stephen J. Gould, Antioch '63," who marched objecting to the crisis, etc.) is seen in the movie those three shot! All the high profile Liberal Activists of that time on campus went to Columbus OH for that, and were seen "standing vigil" with grim looks on their faces in that movie. Mike Houghton '66 may have copies of that. ---- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my movie actor photos and recent credits at WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor, "WWW.CastingNetworks.Com. --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Feb 6 13:55:08 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Feb 6 13:55:15 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] a lil Q & A Message-ID: Take a gander at antiochians.org today......for those who are curious. Duffy From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Feb 6 15:40:14 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Feb 6 15:40:22 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] spring cleaning? Message-ID: If you have put off spring cleaning and want something to entertain you while you clean some folks have found that the weather channel works nicely... but also think about the following.... If you go to theantiochpapers.org website there is a listen antiochians function. you can clean house while listening to AC3 meetings and other events. Duffy '77 From matt at baya.net Wed Feb 6 15:49:20 2008 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Wed Feb 6 15:49:23 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] spring cleaning? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For the record "Listen Up Antioch" ( http://listen.antiochians.org/ ) isn't associated with the wonderful folks at TheAntiochPapers.Org, it's an independent effort associated as one of the pieces of the antiochians.org family of websites that I currently maintain. The Antioch Papers folks just liked it enough to link to it. The upcoming recorded Q&A sessions by Eric Bates will be hosted here and we have hopes that other independent podcasts or videos in the future will be linked here too. This is also the site we coordinate all live streamed events at (I believe there are plans to stream & record some upcoming chapter meetings if possible but I'll save those announcements for the people responsible). You can even subscribe to this via your favorite podcast tool via links on the website, or you can also go to iTunes store under podcasts and search for Antioch College and subscribe via that too. Stay Tuned. -Matt '92 On Feb 6, 2008, at 3:40 PM, Steven Duffy wrote: > If you have put off spring cleaning and want something to entertain > you > while you clean some folks have found that > the weather channel works nicely... > > but also think about the following.... > > If you go to theantiochpapers.org website there is a listen > antiochians > function. > > you can clean house while listening to AC3 meetings and other > events. > > Duffy '77 > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! --- Matthew J. H. Baya 85 Guptill Farm Road, Ellsworth, ME 04605-4109 H: (207) 667-4892 e-mail: matt@baya.net web: http://matt.baya.net/ From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Feb 6 15:53:27 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Feb 6 15:53:31 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] spring cleaning? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Matt for the correction. and thanks for all your expertise. Duffy '77 From christian.feuerstein at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 17:11:18 2008 From: christian.feuerstein at gmail.com (Christian Feuerstein) Date: Wed Feb 6 17:11:23 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Eric Bates to answer questions from Antioch College Community Message-ID: <45e83e2c0802061411w749d43e0vb9ab5da9b1e4a8f3@mail.gmail.com> This weekend, Eric Bates, co-chair of the ACCC, will be answering questions from the Antioch College community at large. He'll be recording a podcast for community members to download and listen. If you have a question for Eric about the ACCC, the future of Antioch College, the state of the campus, and how we are moving forward, please send your queries to: questions@antiochians.org. Please send your question by 12 noon EST on Friday, February 8th. We are hoping this will be an ongoing series, as there are lots of questions and things are moving fast! From bgutelius at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 15:58:51 2008 From: bgutelius at gmail.com (beth) Date: Fri Feb 8 15:58:54 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Streaming Chicago meeting Sunday 2/10 Message-ID: <96a99a8d0802081258o4a406000l64fbf16cc319c7c1@mail.gmail.com> Hey friends, This Sunday the Chicago alums chapter is hosting a event to learn how to support the co-op office. Barring major technical problems, we'll be streaming live from 2-4pm CST. Please join us. I can also be available in the Antiochians chat room (AIM: thesafetysquad) to funnel questions through to our esteemed presenters. in cahoots, beth '00 Chicago Antioch College Alumni Chapter invites you to meet with TOM HAUGSBY, DIRECTOR CO-OP DEPARTMENT, ANTIOCH COLLEGE As 75 Antioch students go on co-op this summer, the understaffed Coop Department needs help finding jobs for these students. Please join us when Tom will tell us how Chicago alumni can help find coop jobs starting this May for continuing students and for those students who will be graduating by December 1, 2008. The Chicago Alumni Chapter is forming a new Coop Committee to help with this very time-critical effort. For background information visit: http://www.antioch-college.edu/Alumni/Co-oplettertoAlumni.html From christian.feuerstein at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 12:56:03 2008 From: christian.feuerstein at gmail.com (Christian Feuerstein) Date: Sat Feb 9 12:56:06 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Podcast from Eric Bates '83, Co-Chair of the ACCC Message-ID: <45e83e2c0802090956r4fdfddc0i151da63c7b7a618d@mail.gmail.com> Listen to Eric Bates '83, Co-chair of the ACCC, as he answers the questions posed by you, the Antioch community: http://antiochians.org/2008/02/09/eric-bates-co-chair-of-the-accc-answers-your-questions/ From bgutelius at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 10:18:56 2008 From: bgutelius at gmail.com (beth) Date: Sun Feb 10 10:19:00 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Chicago streaming 2-4pm 2/10 In-Reply-To: <96a99a8d0802100718q2fcfa1d0hf3de112bce438a75@mail.gmail.com> References: <96a99a8d0802100718q2fcfa1d0hf3de112bce438a75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <96a99a8d0802100718o7f65241bx87a84bf6ea0553f5@mail.gmail.com> SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY! Listen in as the co-op department talks about supporting students on co-op this summer. 2-4pm CST http://listen.antiochians.org:8000/listen.m3u beth From wasb at albany.edu Sun Feb 10 16:30:56 2008 From: wasb at albany.edu (Stephen L. Wasby) Date: Sun Feb 10 16:31:45 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] article about Antioch connection Message-ID: <001001c86c2c$5194b480$c8234bd0@wasbdzt3eud7ix> There is an article in the New York Times "Style" section today, about building blocks with which children play, and the focus of the article is Tucker Viemeister, son of Read Viemeister . . . There is no mention of Antioch, but it talks of Tucker Viemeister's "childhood outside Dayton,Ohio, where his father "was an industrial designer." Steve Wasby '59 From dlbahr at hotmail.com Sun Feb 10 18:43:08 2008 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Sun Feb 10 18:43:09 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] article about Antioch connection In-Reply-To: <001001c86c2c$5194b480$c8234bd0@wasbdzt3eud7ix> References: <001001c86c2c$5194b480$c8234bd0@wasbdzt3eud7ix> Message-ID: Great family. Glad Tucker is designing. Wasn't "he" called Tuckie. Wasn't Tuckie a girl who played saxaphone? Or am I confusing the kids. Thanks for letting us know what Tucker is doing these days, Mr. Wasby. How is it on Martha's Vineyard? It is very cold today here in MN. The car engines are sluggish. The door of Buffalo Books and Coffee was completely covered with frost. Are you going to be teaching at Antioch in fall 2008? Have any of the 'academic' alumni been involved in ACCC planning. Or is everything on hold until there is a Letter of Intent? Any word? Yours in Style, Lesley A Pownall Bahr '83 > From: wasb@albany.edu > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:30:56 -0500 > Subject: [Alumni-chat] article about Antioch connection > > There is an article in the New York Times "Style" section today, about building blocks with which children play, and the focus of the article is Tucker Viemeister, son of Read Viemeister . . . There is no mention of Antioch, but it talks of Tucker Viemeister's "childhood outside Dayton,Ohio, where his father "was an industrial designer." > Steve Wasby '59 > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging.?You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join From bgutelius at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 21:12:42 2008 From: bgutelius at gmail.com (beth) Date: Sun Feb 10 21:12:49 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Haugsby-cast Message-ID: <96a99a8d0802101812i18f62adch11f38b297a1b0ac9@mail.gmail.com> Get the scoop on coop! The recorded session with Tom Haugsby and those pesky Chicago alums is up: http://listen.antiochians.org/2008/02/10/chicago-area-chapter-meeting-with-tom-haugsby-february-10-2008-mp3/ Thanks to Tom for braving the cold and as always to Matt B for the tech support! beth '00 From david.apter at yale.edu Sun Feb 10 21:38:16 2008 From: david.apter at yale.edu (David Apter) Date: Sun Feb 10 21:38:29 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] article about Antioch connection In-Reply-To: <001001c86c2c$5194b480$c8234bd0@wasbdzt3eud7ix> References: <001001c86c2c$5194b480$c8234bd0@wasbdzt3eud7ix> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080210213142.053d9df0@yale.edu> Steve, Reid Viemeister was the husband of Bev Viemester, a delightful Antioch student who I went out with briefly before they were married. He was the central designer of the ill-fated but brilliant Tucker car. He died many years ago. Bev stayed on in Yellow Springs and was very much an Antioch supporter. I saw her several years ago when I gave a talk at Antioch. Anyway indirect Antioch's contributions run in many directions not all of them sufficiently recognized. In any case it is great that the college seems now to have a fighting chance. David Apter '50. At 04:30 PM 2/10/2008, you wrote: >There is an article in the New York Times "Style" section today, >about building blocks with which children play, and the focus of the >article is Tucker Viemeister, son of Read Viemeister . . . There is >no mention of Antioch, but it talks of Tucker Viemeister's >"childhood outside Dayton,Ohio, where his father "was an industrial designer." > Steve Wasby '59 >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From wasb at albany.edu Sun Feb 10 21:43:20 2008 From: wasb at albany.edu (Stephen L. Wasby) Date: Sun Feb 10 21:43:30 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] article about Antioch connection References: <001001c86c2c$5194b480$c8234bd0@wasbdzt3eud7ix> <7.0.1.0.1.20080210213142.053d9df0@yale.edu> Message-ID: <01ae01c86c57$ddfcb5a0$c9234bd0@wasbdzt3eud7ix> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Apter" To: "Alumni Chat List" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] article about Antioch connection > Steve, > > Reid Viemeister was the husband of Bev Viemester, a delightful Antioch > student who I went out with briefly before they were married. He was the > central designer of the ill-fated but brilliant Tucker car. For whom, as the NYT notes, Tucker is named because Read was working on it at the time. He died many years ago. Bev stayed on in Yellow Springs > and was very much an Antioch supporter. I saw her several years ago when > I gave a talk at Antioch. > > Anyway indirect Antioch's contributions run in many directions not all of > them sufficiently recognized. In any case it is great that the college > seems now to have a fighting chance. I won't disagree with "fighting chance," but I remain a skeptic. While I realize that those in Y.S. have a lot on their minds (most notably their livelihood -- and I can tell you they are going to lose key people), and may just be plain "wore out," my sense is that ideas that will help are not going anywhere because no one there has the "institutional capacity" to deal with them. I was only a few minutes ago responding to another alum, who knows I've taught (mini-courses, guest lectures, etc.) at the College, whether I was going to teach there next fall -- something I heard "bandied about" (not about me, but about the idea of bringing back alums) but about which, so far as I know, nothing has happened . . .. Thanks for writing. Steve > > David Apter '50. > > > At 04:30 PM 2/10/2008, you wrote: >>There is an article in the New York Times "Style" section today, about >>building blocks with which children play, and the focus of the article is >>Tucker Viemeister, son of Read Viemeister . . . There is no mention of >>Antioch, but it talks of Tucker Viemeister's "childhood outside >>Dayton,Ohio, where his father "was an industrial designer." >> Steve Wasby '59 >>_______________________________________________ >>Alumni-chat mailing list >>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >>Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: > 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM > > From thanos at post.com Mon Feb 11 03:58:04 2008 From: thanos at post.com (thanos) Date: Mon Feb 11 03:58:07 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection Message-ID: <20080211085804.BEB221F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Hi Steve - >because no one there has the "institutional capacity" to deal with them. > What does this mean? Surely the faculty & staff of the college have an idea of what needs to happen? Thanos -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From marty at maine.rr.com Mon Feb 11 07:20:51 2008 From: marty at maine.rr.com (marty schindler) Date: Mon Feb 11 07:21:03 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] article about Antioch connection References: <001001c86c2c$5194b480$c8234bd0@wasbdzt3eud7ix> Message-ID: <009101c86ca8$8b6cd490$320ca8c0@kathleen85h18k> Tucker and his brother had a jewelry store on Xenia Av., next to the bakery . They rented the second floor as apartments to students(including this writer). Tucker and his GF had pet hermit crabs. I hope he's doing well. Marty Schindler '75 ----- Original Message ----- From: "dl bahr" To: "Alumni Chat List" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] article about Antioch connection Great family. Glad Tucker is designing. Wasn't "he" called Tuckie. Wasn't Tuckie a girl who played saxaphone? Or am I confusing the kids. Thanks for letting us know what Tucker is doing these days, Mr. Wasby. How is it on Martha's Vineyard? It is very cold today here in MN. The car engines are sluggish. The door of Buffalo Books and Coffee was completely covered with frost. Are you going to be teaching at Antioch in fall 2008? Have any of the 'academic' alumni been involved in ACCC planning. Or is everything on hold until there is a Letter of Intent? Any word? Yours in Style, Lesley A Pownall Bahr '83 > From: wasb@albany.edu > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:30:56 -0500 > Subject: [Alumni-chat] article about Antioch connection > > There is an article in the New York Times "Style" section today, about > building blocks with which children play, and the focus of the article is > Tucker Viemeister, son of Read Viemeister . . . There is no mention of > Antioch, but it talks of Tucker Viemeister's "childhood outside > Dayton,Ohio, where his father "was an industrial designer." > Steve Wasby '59 > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join_______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Mon Feb 11 08:10:37 2008 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (YAZZ Allen) Date: Mon Feb 11 08:10:40 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection In-Reply-To: <20080211085804.BEB221F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080211085804.BEB221F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: "No institutional capacity" means Antioch has no leadershipi level "can do" guys or gals who are "movers and shakers." Leaders who take good ideas and suggestions and make 'em happen. Leadership! That's what "institutional capacity" means. Arthur Morgan, Jim Dixon.....Horace Mann! THOSE were "institutional capacity guys! We need MORE! Best, Yazz Allen '92 --------------------- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or WWW.NYCasting.Com. > From: thanos@post.com> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 03:58:04 -0500> Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection> > Hi Steve -> > >because no one there has the "institutional capacity" to deal with > them.> >> > What does this mean? Surely the faculty & staff of the college have an idea of what needs to happen?> > Thanos> > -- > Want an e-mail address like mine?> Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com!> > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From dlbahr at hotmail.com Mon Feb 11 08:26:47 2008 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Mon Feb 11 08:26:49 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] article about Antioch connection In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080210213142.053d9df0@yale.edu> References: <001001c86c2c$5194b480$c8234bd0@wasbdzt3eud7ix> <7.0.1.0.1.20080210213142.053d9df0@yale.edu> Message-ID: Gentleman: Well I am just a young non-academic but I remember a jazz band associated with the Viemeisters who played around town and the lead saxaphonist was a woman named Tuckie--perhaps she was married to Tucker or was the sister of the block designer. This was in the 1980's--some of the kids has a roadshow. I may be confused but I am pretty sure those were Bev's kids Jazzing things up. Bev was a wonderful human being who recently passed away. I am sure her beloved children, grandchildren, friends, and YS community gave her a great send off. I remember her political activism, her beautiful fabrics, and her warm smile always welcoming. She was Antioch and YS in its most radiant form. Reid's memory lived on in YS in many forms and it will obviously continue into the hands of little children building blocks. Does anyone know how the fight is going? The BoT is meeting 02/25 correct? In Yellow Springs, correct? I recently heard it said that liberal ideas without the brains amount to nothing. Let us hope there are enough brains about to Save Anticoh College. Personal connections and investment might be part of what saves it, but it is also going to need the brains to create the institutional strength. Thanos, what was the vision those on the ground have? How's the weather over there in Greece? Lesley A. Pownall Bahr '83 > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:38:16 -0500 > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > From: david.apter@yale.edu > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] article about Antioch connection > > Steve, > > Reid Viemeister was the husband of Bev Viemester, a delightful > Antioch student who I went out with briefly before they were > married. He was the central designer of the ill-fated but brilliant > Tucker car. He died many years ago. Bev stayed on in Yellow Springs > and was very much an Antioch supporter. I saw her several years ago > when I gave a talk at Antioch. > > Anyway indirect Antioch's contributions run in many directions not > all of them sufficiently recognized. In any case it is great that > the college seems now to have a fighting chance. > > David Apter '50. > > > At 04:30 PM 2/10/2008, you wrote: > >There is an article in the New York Times "Style" section today, > >about building blocks with which children play, and the focus of the > >article is Tucker Viemeister, son of Read Viemeister . . . There is > >no mention of Antioch, but it talks of Tucker Viemeister's > >"childhood outside Dayton,Ohio, where his father "was an industrial designer." > > Steve Wasby '59 > >_______________________________________________ > >Alumni-chat mailing list > >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From pas0705 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 09:16:20 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Mon Feb 11 09:16:23 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection In-Reply-To: <20080211085804.BEB221F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <927912.7812.qm@web63914.mail.re1.yahoo.com> If you look through the 'turnaround' literature, it talks of the phases of a turnaround. The first phase is dealing with the most pressing issue, the finances. That is what is still going on at the College. From the 'terminally ill' pronouncement of the trustees, to the life support of the Agreements in Principle, we're now somewhere between the two- at least until Feb 22nd-ish. However, I do agree that due to the governance problems there isn't a position filled of a traditionally recognized 'leader' that can engage and 'lead' that visioning, once we get out of this immediate stage. Many have spoken clearly, that the only way we will attract such a leader at an private liberal arts college is to have a governance structure where that leader is directly supervised by an independent board. -l --- thanos wrote: > Hi Steve - > > >because no one there has the "institutional capacity" to deal > with > them. > > > > What does this mean? Surely the faculty & staff of the > college have an idea of what needs to happen? > > Thanos > > -- > Want an e-mail address like mine? > Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wasb at albany.edu Mon Feb 11 09:44:37 2008 From: wasb at albany.edu (Stephen L. Wasby) Date: Mon Feb 11 09:44:46 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection References: <20080211085804.BEB221F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <004d01c86cbc$a0ca8ee0$c7234bd0@wasbdzt3eud7ix> While Yazz Allen has suggested that the term "institutional capacity" means "leadership," and I don't doubt that leadership is necessary, I meant something else -- people with skill and competence and the willingness to implement ideas. Having an "idea of what needs to happen" won't get you very far if you can't put it in place, either because there aren't enough staff, or what staff there are, are overloaded and stressed out, or if, for whatever other reasons, things don't get done. For example, it is all well and good for both alumni and on-campus folk to talk about harnessing alumni skills, but if no one on campus has that responsibility or knows how to tap into those of us who might be available, what good is the idea? (That's what I mean by "institutional capacity," although I'm sure it is capable of other meanings.) Steve Wasby ----- Original Message ----- From: "thanos" To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:58 AM Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection Hi Steve - >because no one there has the "institutional capacity" to deal with them. > What does this mean? Surely the faculty & staff of the college have an idea of what needs to happen? Thanos -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM From Sistersara at aol.com Mon Feb 11 10:23:53 2008 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 11 10:24:04 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection Message-ID: In a message dated 2/11/2008 8:45:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, wasb@albany.edu writes: Having an "idea of what needs to happen" won't get you very far if you can't put it in place, either because there aren't enough staff, or what staff there are, are overloaded and stressed out, or if, for whatever other reasons, things don't get done. For example, it is all well and good for both alumni and on-campus folk to talk about harnessing alumni skills, but if no one on campus has that responsibility or knows how to tap into those of us who might be available, what good is the idea? (That's what I mean by "institutional capacity," although I'm sure it is capable of other meanings.) Steve Wasby Steve, I think the problem is the ACCC is all tied up in negotiations with the AU Board that is still committed to closing the college in June, and until that gets firmly settled, they seem to think it unwise to put a framework and concepts on the table for discussion. Eventually if Alumni are to pitch in with skills, there must be some sort of plan as to how things will mesh, who or what will be in charge, all the rest. For all we know, the Alumni Board may get the agreement, and then surprise us will a fully fleshed out plan -- on the other hand the negotiations may be a tactic to kill off the energy to change AU's existing plans. Lack of communication allows one to pretty much guess either way. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From wasb at albany.edu Mon Feb 11 10:33:20 2008 From: wasb at albany.edu (Stephen L. Wasby) Date: Mon Feb 11 10:33:31 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection References: Message-ID: <001201c86cc3$6f0b6760$c7234bd0@wasbdzt3eud7ix> Sistersara - I have no doubt that the negotiations, which must come first, are probably tieing up matters now. But I was trying to answer the broader question of what "institutional capacity" meant and whether it exists in Yellow Springs. Certainly the AU BoT footdragging, even once the extremely strong sentiment against the "suspension" action was clear, has not helped -- although it has caused the risk (suggested by others a while back) that by the time an agreement is reached, it will be too late to save the College for the next academic year. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection > > In a message dated 2/11/2008 8:45:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, > wasb@albany.edu writes: > > Having an "idea of what needs to happen" won't get you very > far if you can't put it in place, either because there aren't enough > staff, > or what staff there are, are overloaded and stressed out, or if, for > whatever other reasons, things don't get done. For example, it is all > well > and good for both alumni and on-campus folk to talk about harnessing > alumni > skills, but > if no one on campus has that responsibility or knows how > to tap into those of us who might be available, what good is the idea? > (That's what I mean by "institutional capacity," > although I'm sure it is capable of other meanings.) > Steve Wasby > > > > Steve, I think the problem is the ACCC is all tied up in negotiations with > the AU Board that is still committed to closing the college in June, and > until > that gets firmly settled, they seem to think it unwise to put a framework > and > concepts on the table for discussion. Eventually if Alumni are to pitch > in > with skills, there must be some sort of plan as to how things will mesh, > who > or what will be in charge, all the rest. For all we know, the Alumni > Board > may get the agreement, and then surprise us will a fully fleshed out > plan -- > on the other hand the negotiations may be a tactic to kill off the energy > to > change AU's existing plans. Lack of communication allows one to pretty > much > guess either way. > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 > 8:16 AM > > From dlbahr at hotmail.com Mon Feb 11 11:01:19 2008 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Mon Feb 11 11:01:21 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection In-Reply-To: <001201c86cc3$6f0b6760$c7234bd0@wasbdzt3eud7ix> References: <001201c86cc3$6f0b6760$c7234bd0@wasbdzt3eud7ix> Message-ID: Feet are dragging. Deals take time. The capacity to do this has been floundering for years. How does the College separate from this conglomerate? It has been procrastinated for years, partly IMHO because it was easier for people on the ground to be part of AU than to separate. Now that the well has run completely dry and the alumni have heard the suspended death sentence, an attempt is being made to separate. I would like to hear more of the vision people on the ground are creating. From my distance it still feels like everyone is waiting to be rescued. Let us hope ACCC has the brain power and the heroic energy to do the job. It is a game of poker with the till being a Letter of Intent. There is much work to do and it is difficult to imagine this dragging is going to bode well for 2008 academic year. There are still many ifs and I imagine that AU might drag this out, appearing to negotiate with ACCC while all along preparing to suspend. It is Antioch, and time will tell if it can bounce back. Institutional strength does not happen overnight anymore than institutional weakness. It will need to be built one block at a time. Let's hope our blockheads can do it. To my eye, if it does it will take time and patience and a Charlie Brown to lead the pack. Thats my .02 summation and now I am going back to be cold, wrapped in blankets by the fire with visions of watermelons dancing in my head and enjoying the beautiful patterns frost makes on windows. Lesley A Pownall Bahr '83 PS Did anyone hear the radio piece about Poker being a great game for teaching children compassion and empathy? > From: wasb@albany.edu > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:33:20 -0500 > > Sistersara - I have no doubt that the negotiations, which must come first, > are probably tieing up matters now. But I was trying to answer the broader > question of what "institutional capacity" meant and whether it exists in > Yellow Springs. Certainly the AU BoT footdragging, even once the extremely > strong sentiment against the "suspension" action was clear, has not > helped -- although it has caused the risk (suggested by others a while back) > that by the time an agreement is reached, it will be too late to save the > College for the next academic year. > Steve > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection > > > > > > In a message dated 2/11/2008 8:45:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, > > wasb@albany.edu writes: > > > > Having an "idea of what needs to happen" won't get you very > > far if you can't put it in place, either because there aren't enough > > staff, > > or what staff there are, are overloaded and stressed out, or if, for > > whatever other reasons, things don't get done. For example, it is all > > well > > and good for both alumni and on-campus folk to talk about harnessing > > alumni > > skills, but > > if no one on campus has that responsibility or knows how > > to tap into those of us who might be available, what good is the idea? > > (That's what I mean by "institutional capacity," > > although I'm sure it is capable of other meanings.) > > Steve Wasby > > > > > > > > Steve, I think the problem is the ACCC is all tied up in negotiations with > > the AU Board that is still committed to closing the college in June, and > > until > > that gets firmly settled, they seem to think it unwise to put a framework > > and > > concepts on the table for discussion. Eventually if Alumni are to pitch > > in > > with skills, there must be some sort of plan as to how things will mesh, > > who > > or what will be in charge, all the rest. For all we know, the Alumni > > Board > > may get the agreement, and then surprise us will a fully fleshed out > > plan -- > > on the other hand the negotiations may be a tactic to kill off the energy > > to > > change AU's existing plans. Lack of communication allows one to pretty > > much > > guess either way. > > > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > > 48) > > _______________________________________________ > > Alumni-chat mailing list > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 > > 8:16 AM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From pas0705 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 11:22:16 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Mon Feb 11 11:22:20 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <788161.30345.qm@web63906.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- dl bahr wrote: > I would like to hear more of the vision people on the ground > are creating. From my distance it still feels like everyone > is waiting to be rescued. Let us hope ACCC has the brain > power and the heroic energy to do the job. I don't think anyone in YS "waited to be rescued." From over two years now, the AU and its governing bodies wrote off almost anyone associated with the college as a stakeholding group. That the Alumni Board and now the ACCC were really the only stakeholders recognized by AU, and the only groups AU and its Trustees are willing to talk to, points more to the flawed governance structure then it does the motivations and the abilities of the people involved. For the College's part, the committees that were created by Adcil following the Agreements in Principle continue to work to the best of their ability, trying to operate in spite of having almost no institutional information and support from AU. Also, a clarification- it is not the Alumni Board who is working on the negotiations- it is the ACCC. The ACCC has also been very clear that if a transfer of the College happens, the College community will be wholy involved in the planning that happens afterwards. I've been pushing since last summer for outreach and engagement to the larger alumni body, and I've been told that people do understand the necessity of this and will work to have that happen ones if/when the planning can begin at the College. -l ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dlbahr at hotmail.com Mon Feb 11 11:29:18 2008 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Mon Feb 11 11:29:19 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection In-Reply-To: <788161.30345.qm@web63906.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <788161.30345.qm@web63906.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Has the Revival Fund been transferred to ACCC? What happened to the faculty law suit? > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:22:16 -0800 > From: pas0705@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > > --- dl bahr wrote: > > > > I would like to hear more of the vision people on the ground > > are creating. From my distance it still feels like everyone > > is waiting to be rescued. Let us hope ACCC has the brain > > power and the heroic energy to do the job. > > I don't think anyone in YS "waited to be rescued." From over two > years now, the AU and its governing bodies wrote off almost > anyone associated with the college as a stakeholding group. That > the Alumni Board and now the ACCC were really the only > stakeholders recognized by AU, and the only groups AU and its > Trustees are willing to talk to, points more to the flawed > governance structure then it does the motivations and the > abilities of the people involved. > > For the College's part, the committees that were created by > Adcil following the Agreements in Principle continue to work to > the best of their ability, trying to operate in spite of having > almost no institutional information and support from AU. > > Also, a clarification- it is not the Alumni Board who is working > on the negotiations- it is the ACCC. The ACCC has also been very > clear that if a transfer of the College happens, the College > community will be wholy involved in the planning that happens > afterwards. > > I've been pushing since last summer for outreach and engagement > to the larger alumni body, and I've been told that people do > understand the necessity of this and will work to have that > happen ones if/when the planning can begin at the College. > > -l > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From pas0705 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 11:41:21 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Mon Feb 11 11:41:23 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <432952.37551.qm@web63903.mail.re1.yahoo.com> The Faculty lawsuit was dismissed by the faculty "without prejudice" after the announcement of the Agreements in Principle. One of the things they asked for, an injunction on closure, no longer applied under the Agreements in Principle. However, since it was dismissed "without prejudice", it can be re-submitted. To the best of my understanding, the Revival Fund is still under the CRF organization. Beyond that, I don't know the intracacies. If I recall correctly, many of the major pledges and contributions to the CRF came from individuals now sitting on the ACCC. -l --- dl bahr wrote: > > Has the Revival Fund been transferred to ACCC? > What happened to the faculty law suit? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jimjaf at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 11:56:17 2008 From: jimjaf at gmail.com (Jim Jaffe) Date: Mon Feb 11 11:56:18 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] maybe leadership isn't the problem Message-ID: <25b98cf20802110856q51933aa2x25897ba140ff2f17@mail.gmail.com> in my memory there's never been a shortage of leaders, often self-proclaimed, at Antioch. Rather the problem has been a chronic follower shortage. Its hard to lead a tribe comprised entirely of folks who see themselves as chiefs. and its hard to follow if you're uncompromising. A lot of Antiochians appear to think of compromise as a dirty word. Instead you have a rather specialized definition of democracy which sometimes, to those of us far away, seems pretty close to anarchy. as we communicate, there's a national political campaign ongoing. After conventions folks in both parties will basically rally behind their respective nominees and follow them whevever they go. Try to imagine a situation where someone is designated an Antioch Leader and is immediately hailed by hundreds of community members who say they'll follow his or leadership. I can't. Jim Jaffe, 65. From sercle at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 11 11:49:38 2008 From: sercle at sbcglobal.net (Barrie Grenell) Date: Mon Feb 11 11:57:41 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 12, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <20080211164126.2A049632D94B@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <318972.55353.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tucker Viemeister is the oldest son of Reed and Bev. Bev was a Trustee as well as alum, I'm pretty certain. Tucker is not related to Tuckie Bailey, the girl/lady musician. Barrie Dallas Grenell '65 ___________ Barrie Grenell (415) 826-5391 home (415) 652-1038 cell sercle@sbcglobal.net From afrye at bitwisesystems.com Mon Feb 11 12:22:01 2008 From: afrye at bitwisesystems.com (Ann Frye) Date: Mon Feb 11 12:22:19 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection In-Reply-To: References: <20080211085804.BEB221F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <47B08439.5040004@bitwisesystems.com> >"No institutional capacity" means Antioch has no leadershipi level "can do" guys or gals who are "movers and shakers." Leaders who take good ideas and suggestions and make 'em happen. > >Leadership! That's what "institutional capacity" means. > >Arthur Morgan, Jim Dixon.....Horace Mann! THOSE were "institutional capacity guys! We need MORE! > > > Why do you include Jim Dixon with the others? I was a student while he was president, and followed the college closely for years thereafter. He was no leader. Ann Frye From travissanford at msn.com Mon Feb 11 12:42:56 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Mon Feb 11 12:42:59 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Regarding Eric Bates commentary. Message-ID: I disagree with Eric Bates in regard to how the community should be operating right now. We simply can not wait until the final status of the college is determined. If we do we will hardly be able to get OBR approval in time to allow current students to continue. The faculty must, ad hoc, create amongst themselves a plan for continuation should final status negotiations conclude in a timely manner. The Governance work should continue we essentially need to have a "day after plan". I think ACCC is cutting it too close to the line and they need to encourage some planning now. _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!?Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From jdavid at coldren.net Mon Feb 11 13:19:47 2008 From: jdavid at coldren.net (J. David Coldren) Date: Mon Feb 11 13:20:19 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection In-Reply-To: <47B08439.5040004@bitwisesystems.com> References: <20080211085804.BEB221F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <47B08439.5040004@bitwisesystems.com> Message-ID: <02cd01c86cda$b57911e0$206b35a0$@net> Ann, I think Yazz (David) Allen had it exactly right. Jim Dixon was an acknowledged leader in higher education during his tenure and he both motivated led the Antioch community and its extramural supporters (the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, and the Carnegie Corporation--to name a few--for instance) with great skill. It is still too early to assess whether or not the directions he led the community were always healthy and correct choices; we'll know more when we learn how the ACCC process turns out (if successful) in a decade. The fact that there was a faculty mutiny led by the very venerable John Sparks and disgraceful behavior by the Chair of the Board of Trustees in firing the President does not, in my judgment, detract from his leadership skills or his choices of new directions for the College. Dixon himself, favoring metaphors, might today use one his regulars and say "Trying to assess Antioch's educational enterprises of the Dixon era now is like trying to nail chiffon pie to the wall and hoping it will stick. It is not a particularly useful exercise. Hmmph." J. David Coldren '65 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Ann Frye Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:22 AM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection >"No institutional capacity" means Antioch has no leadershipi level "can do" guys or gals who are "movers and shakers." Leaders who take good ideas and suggestions and make 'em happen. > >Leadership! That's what "institutional capacity" means. > >Arthur Morgan, Jim Dixon.....Horace Mann! THOSE were "institutional capacity guys! We need MORE! > > > Why do you include Jim Dixon with the others? I was a student while he was president, and followed the college closely for years thereafter. He was no leader. Ann Frye _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From matt at baya.net Mon Feb 11 14:06:35 2008 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Mon Feb 11 14:06:38 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Regarding Eric Bates commentary. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62B9217D-2D01-40AC-9CE3-067EC32DE2BC@baya.net> I agree with Travis that we shouldn't be putting everything on hold. If the letter of intent doesn't happen then one could argue some of the work was wasted but on the other hand some work and organization done in advance may even be of use to the ACCC in negotiations, let alone helping get the alumni community involved in planning, brainstorming, prioritizing. Are all committees just sleeping right now? Things seem really quiet on the lists I'm on. I also think we (the antioch community as a whole (students, staff, faculty, alumni) should be talking about what's going to be 'on the table' with ACCC negotiations including all the AU assets that may or may not end up as part of what spins off with Antioch College. For example, do the folks in the ACCC sitting at the table with negotiations really understand what an asset WYSO would be to the college if it were (finally) available as a place where students could participate and learn how a community media organization works? Wouldn't it be useful if students, alumni, faculty provided a brainstorm on this so they might not as easily give this up in the discussions? What about the glen and it's associated organizations AEA? Sontag Fels building? The Golf Course? The ACCC hasn't been asking the antioch community for input on this, we're just supposed to trust that they 'are us' and thus think like us. I think it couldn't hurt to talk about this.. if the ACCC doesn't read what we come up with, oh well. Just my 2 cents. I've got a pocket full of them :) -Matt From pas0705 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 14:27:51 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Mon Feb 11 14:27:54 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Regarding Eric Bates commentary. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <326283.85652.qm@web63913.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- t Sanford wrote: > I disagree with Eric Bates in regard to how the community > should be > operating right now. We simply can not wait until the final > status of the college > is determined. If we do we will hardly be able to get OBR > approval in time to > allow current students to continue. One of the three things the ACCC is focused on right now is accreditation/OBR. I don't know how that is proceeding (or who is involved), but its my understanding that the agencies' concerns are less about the program itself and more about the financial support for the program over the next four years. > The faculty must, ad hoc, create amongst themselves a plan for > continuation should > final status negotiations conclude in a timely manner. The > Governance work should continue > we essentially need to have a "day after plan". I think ACCC > is cutting it too close to the > line and they need to encourage some planning now. As the ACCC mentioned in the last meeting on campus, it is NOT a governing body of any institution right now. I mentioned about the Adcil sub-committees, their initial charge was a short-term plan for next year or so; the committees were budget, facilities, and curriculum I think. They continue to press on with their work despite the potholes in the road. The legitimacy of Adcil as a campus governing body is one of the basic operating tenets of the current College community (AU bylaw-determined staffing aside- aka the campus "CEO"), so I feel it is appropriate for the work to continue in that context. However, I do expect there to be surprises if the ACCC does reach an agreement with the Trustees. Some will be good, some will be awful. Hopefully, it will be the last time the College's future is presented to the College as a fait accompli. An agreement of transfer MUST be the end of the practice of excluding the College stakeholders from participating in the direction and shape of the College. -l ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From imabused at aol.com Mon Feb 11 14:45:33 2008 From: imabused at aol.com (imabused@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 11 14:45:41 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] ACCC Message-ID: <8CA3AFDCCE57AD0-BB4-141F@webmail-ne16.sysops.aol.com> Did people listen to the ACCC "chat" on Saturday? I am curious as to what other alumni feel about this group and their work. At this point, all I really hope is that these?wealthy people?are also connected with university financial supporters, hold influence with them, and that the Board is well aware of that connection. That is where the power ultimately is.?Their talents are obviously not highest?in areas of community outreach, inclusiveness, transparency, communication, nor in the sharing of power. In great disappointment, Jane Slater Ashland, OR Class of '80 ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From imabused at aol.com Mon Feb 11 14:51:15 2008 From: imabused at aol.com (imabused@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 11 14:51:54 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] ACCC Message-ID: <8CA3AFE98C08AD0-BB4-14D0@webmail-ne16.sysops.aol.com> Laura, I have to be skeptical about the accreditation alarm bell at this point, after the last false alarm. We were not long ago reassured this was a phony concern. If the college is under a new governing structure, am I truly to believe that this would jeopardize the accreditation designation? The components of the school would remain the same. In skepticism and general surliness, Jane ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From dlbahr at hotmail.com Mon Feb 11 15:06:32 2008 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Mon Feb 11 15:06:33 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 12, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <318972.55353.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20080211164126.2A049632D94B@w3.antioch.edu> <318972.55353.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for clearing that up for me Barrie! Tuckered out, Lesley A. Pownall Bahr '83 > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:49:38 -0800 > From: sercle@sbcglobal.net > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 12, Issue 4 > > Tucker Viemeister is the oldest son of Reed and Bev. Bev was a Trustee as well as alum, I'm pretty certain. Tucker is not related to Tuckie Bailey, the girl/lady musician. > > Barrie Dallas Grenell '65 > > > ___________ > Barrie Grenell > (415) 826-5391 home > (415) 652-1038 cell > sercle@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From pas0705 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 15:33:13 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Mon Feb 11 15:33:15 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] ACCC In-Reply-To: <8CA3AFE98C08AD0-BB4-14D0@webmail-ne16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <192650.42407.qm@web63911.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Jane- To some extent I agree with you; the people who I would trust on this issue I've not ever had a conversation with regarding this topic. However, I believe there are some "knowns" that one can use to personally decide weather or not stated concerns are realistic or not. -antioch college delivers primarily a 4-year (liberal arts) undergraduate degree program -OBR's degree-granting authority is an organizational authority. (IIRC, "antioch college" within AU received the authority to confer degrees in the State of Ohio, as did McGregor; if AU Seattle wished to set up a program in Ohio, I think they'd have to go through an OBR approval process themselves). -NCA's accreditation is an institutional accreditation, however it does investigate specifically the quality of program delivery (AU holds the NCA Accreditation for the entire university). -In regards to the corporation, the college is changing hands. So, there are unresolved questions and new concerns. One of the arguments put forward is that Antioch College remains a 150+ year old institution. And while the OBR might not have had the 4-year financial concern under AU (despite AU reporting that the OBR did), looking at new ownership of AC means a mis-reported concern under AU might actually be a correctly-reported concern under ACCC. If the OBR can be convinced that the organization Antioch College is substantially the same as it was under AU, it is reasonable to believe that the OBR might now be concerned about the finances to deliver a 4-year degree under a new owner. The NCA accreditation as well does look at resources. So while the programs may be substantially similar, asking the question about the resources under a new owner isn't too far-fetched. But I agree- I remain skeptical of claims and statements about particularly the OBR, given that there is very little direct information available regarding this issue. -l --- imabused@aol.com wrote: > > Laura, > > I have to be skeptical about the accreditation alarm bell at > this point, after the last false alarm. We were not long ago > reassured this was a phony concern. If the college is under a > new governing structure, am I truly to believe that this would > jeopardize the accreditation designation? The components of > the school would remain the same. > > In skepticism and general surliness, > > Jane > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From duffy at antioch-college.edu Mon Feb 11 15:53:10 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Mon Feb 11 15:53:22 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] ACCC In-Reply-To: <8CA3AFDCCE57AD0-BB4-141F@webmail-ne16.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA3AFDCCE57AD0-BB4-141F@webmail-ne16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: to you wonderful and skeptical Antiochians.... every Antioch vintage has its's fine whine...so it is good read criticisms and apprehensions..at least you're participating......and processing.. If we get the go-ahead in the next few days the college willl need to begin a massive fundraising drive and a general rallying of the "troops". We will be a community living like that old Ivanla Van Zant TV show called "Starting over"... I would imagine that everyone might contribute whatever skillsets and or/ monies they can...and there will be a structure for you to contact.... whether it's IA or just a visit or a phone call.....it is a small community yall. If we stay open we will be making some good history and I would hope folks would be delirious to help make that history happen. We will be a free standing entity..... it may be chaotic...folks may have to take extended co-ops and do other creatively unusual things..kinda like what folks did after the payless pay days in 1979... (I was oung and resilient then..ah well) I would hope to have a job as well. but it all depends on fundraising and recruiting. Those pesky three Rs are always revenue, recruitment and retention....more interesting than the three Rs in other places. and I know that there will be pain and joy and exhilaration. (Unless some really big benefactors come forth rather quickly) hopefully and gradually more and more lightbulbs will go on under the dim acenario...both the physical kind and the mertaphysical kind. and speaking of lightbulbs today is Thomas Edison's birthday ...Joe Cali always revelled in Feb. 11...as Thomas Edison's birthday....he would chuckle and say "That's the man who created the energy crisis". This week makes one year since Joe passed.....away...what a year this has been.. At the library on the evening on a snowstorm Duffy '77 From jdavid at coldren.net Mon Feb 11 17:34:54 2008 From: jdavid at coldren.net (J. David Coldren) Date: Mon Feb 11 17:35:12 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Regarding Eric Bates commentary. In-Reply-To: <62B9217D-2D01-40AC-9CE3-067EC32DE2BC@baya.net> References: <62B9217D-2D01-40AC-9CE3-067EC32DE2BC@baya.net> Message-ID: <039701c86cfe$533515a0$f99f40e0$@net> Matt, Let me add my two cents of devalued currency. I know some of the members of the ACCC and I think they have a lot more institutional memory and experience than some people give them credit for. They know WYSO's value. But it eventually comes down to cash; saving Antioch from the wrecker's ball next July isn't dependent on getting consensus from Antioch stakeholders--all 14,000+ of us--because most of us don't have the information needed to understand the legal and financial intricacies that they're confronting and we certainly don't have the wherewithal to turn consensus--if that were even possible or desirable--into reality. That takes cash and the ACCC seems to be the only outfit in town with the access to their own and Other People's Money. If there are others with the resources and skills these people have, they'd better come forward el quicko. You're a smart guy and you know the ACCC can't be conducting life-or-death negotiations with the Board of Trustees in a protracted time period while simultaneously undertaking a process of unlimited, infinite "debate" or "venting" or "wishful thinking" amongst fourteen thousand people. Some people seem to want a collective of a few self-selected recent graduates, current faculty, and students to substitute their visions and opinions for the disparate views and opinions of the rest of us and then have the ACCC conduct negotiations (about the Golf Course, for instance) with that collective while simultaneously maintaining a semblance of negotiating strength and credibility with the Board of Trustees. Laughable. Not in this world. Darwinian self-selection still seems to be working. Do we have any realistic choice but to follow the ACCC's leadership and trust in their judgment? Reality isn't always what we want and it isn't always pretty. Trusting the ACCC to do their best, J. 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Your erroneous receipt of this e-mail and any attachments shall not constitute a waiver of any privilege or confidentiality, Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail and any attachments in error and delete them from your system. -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Baya Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:07 PM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Regarding Eric Bates commentary. I agree with Travis that we shouldn't be putting everything on hold. If the letter of intent doesn't happen then one could argue some of the work was wasted but on the other hand some work and organization done in advance may even be of use to the ACCC in negotiations, let alone helping get the alumni community involved in planning, brainstorming, prioritizing. Are all committees just sleeping right now? Things seem really quiet on the lists I'm on. I also think we (the antioch community as a whole (students, staff, faculty, alumni) should be talking about what's going to be 'on the table' with ACCC negotiations including all the AU assets that may or may not end up as part of what spins off with Antioch College. For example, do the folks in the ACCC sitting at the table with negotiations really understand what an asset WYSO would be to the college if it were (finally) available as a place where students could participate and learn how a community media organization works? Wouldn't it be useful if students, alumni, faculty provided a brainstorm on this so they might not as easily give this up in the discussions? What about the glen and it's associated organizations AEA? Sontag Fels building? The Golf Course? The ACCC hasn't been asking the antioch community for input on this, we're just supposed to trust that they 'are us' and thus think like us. I think it couldn't hurt to talk about this.. if the ACCC doesn't read what we come up with, oh well. Just my 2 cents. I've got a pocket full of them :) -Matt _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From warren at antioch-college.edu Mon Feb 11 17:48:22 2008 From: warren at antioch-college.edu (Scott Warren) Date: Mon Feb 11 17:48:30 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] ACCC In-Reply-To: References: <8CA3AFDCCE57AD0-BB4-141F@webmail-ne16.sysops.aol.com> <,> Message-ID: Thank you Duffy, for your usual wisdom! best, Scott Alumni Chat List writes: >to you wonderful and skeptical Antiochians.... >every Antioch vintage has its's fine whine...so it is good read criticisms >and apprehensions..at least you're participating......and processing.. > >If we get the go-ahead in the next few days the college willl need to >begin a massive fundraising drive and >a general rallying of the "troops". > >We will be a community living like that old Ivanla Van Zant TV show called > "Starting over"... > >I would imagine that everyone might contribute whatever skillsets and or/ >monies they can...and there will be a structure for you to contact.... >whether it's IA or just a visit or a phone call.....it is a small >community yall. > >If we stay open we will be making some good history and I would hope folks >would be delirious to help make that history happen. > >We will be a free standing entity..... >it may be chaotic...folks may have to take extended co-ops and do other >creatively unusual things..kinda like what folks did after the payless pay >days in 1979... >(I was oung and resilient then..ah well) > >I would hope to have a job as well. but it all depends on fundraising and >recruiting. > >Those pesky three Rs are always revenue, recruitment and >retention....more interesting than the three Rs in other places. > >and I know that there will be pain and joy and exhilaration. (Unless some >really big benefactors come forth rather quickly) > >hopefully and gradually more and more lightbulbs will go on under the dim >acenario...both the physical kind and the mertaphysical kind. > >and speaking of lightbulbs today is Thomas Edison's birthday ...Joe Cali >always revelled in Feb. 11...as Thomas Edison's birthday....he would >chuckle and say > >"That's the man who created the energy crisis". This week >makes one year >since Joe passed.....away...what a year this has been.. > > >At the library on the evening on a snowstorm > > >Duffy '77 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > From theodora at imbris.com Mon Feb 11 17:53:29 2008 From: theodora at imbris.com (Pam Olsen) Date: Mon Feb 11 17:53:28 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] getting the go-ahead Message-ID: Steve Duffy Said: "If we get the go-ahead in the next few days the college willl need to begin a massive fundraising drive and a general rallying of the "troops". We will be a community living like that old Ivanla Van Zant TV show called "Starting over"..." Steve, you're no doubt a lot closer to the process than most of us, and I, for one, appreciate your continuing optimism. It's kinda discouraging out here. Pam ('68) From warren at antioch-college.edu Mon Feb 11 17:59:49 2008 From: warren at antioch-college.edu (Scott Warren) Date: Mon Feb 11 17:59:56 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] getting the go-ahead In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Most of us here on the ground have great optimism and hope. The ACCC is an incredibly talented and able group of individuals. As alumni, they are a living testimony to why Antioch College must be allowed to continue! Best, Scott Alumni Chat List writes: >Steve Duffy Said: > >"If we get the go-ahead in the next few days the college willl need >to >begin a massive fundraising drive and >a general rallying of the "troops". > >We will be a community living like that old Ivanla Van Zant TV show >called > "Starting over"..." > > >Steve, you're no doubt a lot closer to the process than most of us, >and I, for one, appreciate your >continuing optimism. It's kinda discouraging out here. > >Pam ('68) > > >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > From Sistersara at aol.com Mon Feb 11 18:34:28 2008 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 11 18:34:33 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Regarding Eric Bates commentary. Message-ID: In a message dated 2/11/2008 1:06:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, matt@baya.net writes: For example, do the folks in the ACCC sitting at the table with negotiations really understand what an asset WYSO would be to the college if it were (finally) available as a place where students could participate and learn how a community media organization works? I can actually put a price tag on WYSO -- About two years ago St. Olaf's College in Northfield MN put their FM License on the market, and it was purchased by Minnesota Public Radio (Bill Kling) for a little over thirty million dollars. MPR, and some of its subsidiaries, see it currently as a third channel in their network that covers N. Michigan, MN, parts of Idaho, and a major station in S. California. In addition they now have the only classical music station in Florida. All are being converted to Digital, meaning that each FM License will have 4-6 programs running on each frequency. When Digital is finally fully rolled out (probably in about two years,) local programing will be doubled -- but in addition the stations will also carry much more Public Radio Content and international content. The part of the frequency doing local programing will have the advantage of access to the system for investment in equiptment, professional training, funding of radio documentary and the like. WYSO is probably more valuable than St. Olaf's license was, largely because MN already had two statewide Public Radio Networks -- Classical Music 24/7 and News and Information 24/7. As the system switches to digital, we will have 8-12 channels. Western Ohio has very limited coverage by non commercial stations that subscribe to NPR and in addition have the funds to invest in local interest programing. Thus if WYSO were to negotiate with someone like Kling -- it might get a healthy chunk of change for the endowment and as the technology kicks over, have two local station channels available, along with four additional Digital programs from the whole family of Public Radio Offerings, And since there is little competition from other non-commercial stations in SW or W Ohio, such a license held by a group that knows how to both raise money and invest it in the system could be win-win all the way around. The only competition MPR really has in this field are the Evangelical Christian Stations which have bid up the price of FM licenses. Driving around SW and W Ohio, it seemed to me that the only audiences being served well were the Rush Limbaugh fans, and those in need of a preacher 24/7. In fact the whole area between YSO and Chicago is a wasteland for decent radio when traveling. Once you get a little N and West of Chicago, you have Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota Pubic Radio, all competing to program interesting yet diverse choices, with transmitters and repeaters sufficent that you can drive 100 miles and not run out of coverage. So yes, the WYSO license is very valuable, but only if the owner of the license can do the investment in the new technology, and has the capacity to finance programs that will generate listener support come pledge week. **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Mon Feb 11 19:53:52 2008 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (YAZZ Allen) Date: Mon Feb 11 19:53:55 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection In-Reply-To: <47B08439.5040004@bitwisesystems.com> References: <20080211085804.BEB221F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <47B08439.5040004@bitwisesystems.com> Message-ID: Of course Jim Dixon was a leader. He led Antioch college for 18 years, more than ANY other Antioch College president in the entire history of Antioch College since Horace Mann. Arthur Morgan's last three years were "in absentia" during his TVA Chairman days, which means Morgan left Antioch, de-facto, in 1933 and never really returned. The "Golden Age Of Antioch College" in the 20th Century is ALWAYS identified as those 1960's/ early 1970's Pre-"Strike Of 1973 Years," and James Dixon was the leader then. The scapegoating of James Dixon after he left was a wrong effort to blame him for failures of vision, leadership, and policy he had nothing to do with, and which came AFTER he left. The failed Presidency of alcoholic William Birenhaum, who "ran" Antioch in-absentia from New York City. A truly corrupt and contemptible person. The failed President of Alan Guskin, who manipulated the Antioch BOT into creating the "Chancellor" office and giving the job to Alan Guskin AFTER Guskin left Antioch for retirement in Seattle, perfidious stuff. The ridiculous and pathetic failure of the Jim Crowfoote (an ordained Lutheran minister educated at the Gettysburg Lutheran seminary....that fact hushed up and ignored by those who chose him). The doubtful choice of long time faculty member Bob Devine, who left the office "due to bad health," but stayed on as a full professor, and still is one....whose wife was appointed to lead the Alumni Office, and got the job due to her status as "Mrs. Ex-President," and NOT because she had any qualifications. The short tenure of Joan Straumanis, who was hired with the understanding she was a "temp!" And she was. She was forced to leave...never resigned. She was the best of all, and should STILL be the Antioch president. Finally, the pathetic and sad presidency of the mericifully (for Antioch and all Antiochians everywhere) Dr. James Lawry, hired by the "Hall of (Antioch) Shame" AU BOT in order to be the hatchetman presiding over the execution of Antioch.....an execution which appears to be heading to an "on schedule" actualization. Dr. James Payson Dixon, Antioch College '38, Harvard University Medicat School '43, was and is truly one of Antioch college history's super-stars. He led the public health offices of both Denver Colorado and Philadelphia PA (was a faculty member at the U. of Penn., also), and left a promising and prosperous medical career after ALSO serving on the Antioch College Board Of Trustees to become Antioch College President for 16 years. He guided Antioch College through the turbulent 1960's, and made decisions successfully which were eye-crossing. He was an is a great person, a great Antiochian. The ingratitude and perfidious defamation of Dr. Dixon is stomach turning, and those outspoken in repeating that defamation deserve to be consigned forever to the ANTIOCH COLLEGE HALL OF SHAME along with the dorks who were members of the AU BOT in June 2007 and agreed to assassinate Antioch College for wrong reasons. Again....Dr. James Dixon was one of the great presidents of Antioch College...right there with Arthur Morgan and Horace Mann. THOSE were Antioch's "top 3 presidents" in its 155 year history. Best. Yazz (David) Allen '92 --------------------- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or WWW.NYCasting.Com. > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:22:01 -0600> From: afrye@bitwisesystems.com> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection> > > >"No institutional capacity" means Antioch has no leadershipi level "can do" guys or gals who are "movers and shakers." Leaders who take good ideas and suggestions and make 'em happen.> > > >Leadership! That's what "institutional capacity" means.> > > >Arthur Morgan, Jim Dixon.....Horace Mann! THOSE were "institutional capacity guys! We need MORE!> > > > > >> Why do you include Jim Dixon with the others? I was a student while he > was president, and followed the college closely for years thereafter. He > was no leader.> > Ann Frye> > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From Sistersara at aol.com Mon Feb 11 20:30:37 2008 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 11 20:30:45 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: article about Antioch connection Message-ID: In a message dated 2/11/2008 12:21:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, jdavid@coldren.net writes: It is still too early to assess whether or not the directions he led the community were always healthy and correct choices; we'll know more when we learn how the ACCC process turns out (if successful) in a decade. The fact that there was a faculty mutiny led by the very venerable John Sparks and disgraceful behavior by the Chair of the Board of Trustees in firing the President does not, in my judgment, detract from his leadership skills or his choices of new directions for the College. Dixon himself, favoring metaphors, m