From mtc at crocker.com Tue Apr 1 00:09:38 2008 From: mtc at crocker.com (Marianne Connolly) Date: Mon Mar 31 23:12:19 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] immediate media response required - NY Times/AP In-Reply-To: <954734.98271.qm@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The NYT article is an AP article. Unfortunately, the last time I checked google there were almost 100 clones. So.... more papers need more letter writers. Here's the AP original: ASSOCIATED PRESS No Deal: Antioch College Closing in June 1 day ago YELLOW SPRINGS, Ohio (AP) ? Cash-strapped Antioch College has rejected an alumni group's fundraising offer, moving ahead with plans to shutter its doors this summer unless a buyer offers more than $12 million up front, a school spokeswoman said Sunday. A group of wealthy alumni and former trustees scrambled to raise money after the school announced last year that because of declining enrollment, heavy dependence on tuition and a small endowment the college would close to reorganize and reopen in 2012. The group, called the Antioch College Continuation Corp., offered to pay half of the $12.2 million price over five years to take over operations and keep the school running. Despite months of negotiations, Antioch University trustees declined the offer on Friday and announced it would move ahead with its plan to close its flagship college on June 30 for at least a year. "They were requesting the university to be their banker," Toni Murdock, chancellor of the university, said on Friday. "It would have put the university on the cliff as far as jeopardizing its financial future." Antioch is open to negotiations with any potential buyer that can provide all of the money at closing, said Antioch University spokeswoman Lynda Sirk. If the trustees feel "they can work out the financing on $12.2 million, the rest is definitely workable," Sirk said. The alumni group said it had raised $18 million, primarily in pledges, to operate the college in the short term. It said it was preparing to begin a fundraising drive to raise a total of $100 million and was working on a five-year plan to increase enrollment and staffing. "We are deeply disappointed that the university did not take this incredible opportunity to preserve Antioch College, which has long been one of the nation's most unique and important institutions of higher education," said Frances Degen Horowitz, co-chair of the alumni group. About 200 students are enrolled at the southwestern Ohio college known for its pioneering academic programs that produce students with a passion for free thinking and social activism. Famous alumni included "Twilight Zone" creator Rod Serling, Coretta Scott King and evolutionary scientist Stephen Jay Gould. The university has campuses in Yellow Springs and Seattle, Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, Calif., and Keene, N.H. Antioch College, which costs $36,000 a year to attend, was founded in 1852 and located about 15 miles east of Dayton. It doesn't grade classes, encourages students to develop their own study plans and combines academic learning with experience through a co-op program in which students leave campus to work in various fields. On the Net: http://www.antioch-college.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu]On Behalf Of j.d.wood Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:01 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu; antioch nyc; ACAN Subject: [Alumni-chat] immediate media response required - NY Times/AP http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Saving-Antioch.html "The group, called the Antioch College Continuation Corp., offered to pay half of the $12.2 million price over five years to take over operations and keep the school running." WTF??!?!???!?!??? What the hell kind of not-even-half-assed journalism is THIS??!?!?!?? This infers that the AC3 was only offering $6M for the College, completely ignoring that $6M was to be paid up front and the remaining balance to be paid in installments over 5 years. This is jaw-droppingly bad journalism. Time for everyone to put their writing caps on a let the NY Times and AP know exactly what they can do with their ridiculous drivel that is passed off as journalism. NYTIMES Letter to the Editor: letters@nytimes.com. NEWS DEPARTMENT To send comments and suggestions (about news coverage only) or to report errors that call for correction: nytnews@nytimes.com or leave a message at 1-888-NYT-NEWS THE EDITORS executive-editor@nytimes.com managing-editor@nytimes.com PUBLIC EDITOR To reach Clark Hoyt, who represents the readers: public@nytimes.com ASSOCIATED PRESS: info@ap.org Headquarters 450 W. 33rd St. New York, NY 10001 212-621-1500 ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.com _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From Willkops at aol.com Tue Apr 1 00:07:24 2008 From: Willkops at aol.com (Willkops@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 1 00:06:19 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Whats happening with the faculty court case? Message-ID: **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From robinsimons at yahoo.com Tue Apr 1 00:39:19 2008 From: robinsimons at yahoo.com (Robin Simons) Date: Tue Apr 1 00:39:22 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch College and AntiochUniversity In-Reply-To: <004c01c893a4$04a215b0$4301a8c0@GRENELL> Message-ID: <875004.42860.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> is that 10 dedicated seats? as in, if one of ours dies do we replace it with another one of ours? --- Barrie Grenell wrote: > $10 million in cash and 10 seats on the 19-member > board of trustees. > > _________________ > Barrie Grenell > (415) 826-5391 home > (415) 652-1038 cell > sercle@sbcglobal.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin Simons [mailto:robinsimons@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:09 AM > To: Alumni Chat List > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for > Antioch College and > AntiochUniversity > > > what is the 10/10 plan, please? > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month > of Blockbuster Total > Access, No Cost. W00t > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > ____________________________________________________________________________________ OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com From sercle at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 1 09:13:36 2008 From: sercle at sbcglobal.net (Barrie Grenell) Date: Tue Apr 1 09:13:39 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Some Questions Answered In-Reply-To: <003e01c893a1$a192f680$4301a8c0@GRENELL> Message-ID: <001a01c893fa$33dc6cd0$4301a8c0@GRENELL> P asked: "Do we know exactly what our $12.2 million would buy? Not the endowment. Not WYSO. And apparently not the name. " I learned that the $12.2 million would buy all the physical assets normally associated with college except the Golf Course, Kettering, and Fels. It included the endowment and Glen Helen and the name "Antioch College". It did not include AEA or WYSO. _________________ Barrie Grenell (415) 826-5391 home (415) 652-1038 cell sercle@sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org [mailto:saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org] On Behalf Of Barrie Grenell Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 7:40 PM To: 'Priscilla'; Cdelairre@aol.com; ellen.borgersen@sbcglobal.net; tganges@umflint.edu; alumni-board@antiochians.org; communications@antiochians.org; organizers@antiochians.org; SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org; alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu; chapters@antiochians.org Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Pension Funds Can somebody answer these questions? _________________ Barrie Grenell (415) 826-5391 home (415) 652-1038 cell sercle@sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org [mailto:saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 6:15 PM To: Cdelairre@aol.com; ellen.borgersen@sbcglobal.net; tganges@umflint.edu; alumni-board@antiochians.org; communications@antiochians.org; organizers@antiochians.org; SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org; alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu; chapters@antiochians.org Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Pension Funds Good questions...but only a few of a great many. As inspired as I have been by Barrie's suggested $50/month alumni participation, I have wondered, Of all that we stand to lose at the bargaining table, I surprise myselt with the intensity of my outrage over that last sticking point. WE are Antioch; THEY are McPhoenix. (Whoever coined that label, thank you!) Should negotiations ever resume, we need a seat at the table. We also need legal advice. My $50/mo is now committed to our needs, but I would prefer that it go first to retaining an accountant and/or lawyer then, after we have prevailed (!), to rebuilding or paying down a debt. P ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: [SaveAntioch] Pension Funds > Distribution: > > Does anyone know what the "pension reserve" amount is on the Colleges > balance sheet? I am refering specifically to the amount of money that has > been set > aside to meet retirement obligations for tenured faculty. If the tenure > agreements include a pension, then there must be a pension fund. What > happens to > this money (if it exists) under the plan proposed by the AUBOT after 4 > years? > Is this money worked into their revitalization plan for capital > improvements > instead of pensions to tenured faculty? Has it already been spent? or, > Has > it ever been funded? How deep does this rabbit hole actually go? Lastly, > How > is this fund worked into the sale of assets? Is AC3 purchasing assets of > the > University? or Is AC3 purchasing a going concern, which includes all > balance > sheet assets/liabilities? > > Cross De Lairre > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom0 0030000000001) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.antiochians.org/pipermail/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org/att achments/20080331/2792fca6/attachment.html > _______________________________________________ > SaveAntioch mailing list > SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians. org _______________________________________________ SaveAntioch mailing list SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians. org _______________________________________________ SaveAntioch mailing list SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians. org From mwillits at antioch-college.edu Tue Apr 1 09:25:03 2008 From: mwillits at antioch-college.edu (MaryAnn Willits) Date: Tue Apr 1 09:25:11 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Any Pension Funds for Staff? In-Reply-To: References: < > Message-ID: The staff, which includes IA, and the union, are covered by TIAA-CREF. TIAA-CREF was just here telling many of us that we need to redo our investments and take more chances. mw science tech Alumni Chat List writes: >Bob, > >Thanks for the info you sent (below) on faculty Retirement through >TIAA-CREF. >Do you know whether staff members, such as the IA office staff, are >also covered by TIAA-CREF? >Or, if not, are they covered by any other plan or contract which gives >them any retirement >contributions that they will take away with them? > >-- Mike Brower > > >On Mar 31, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Bob Devine wrote: > >> The university puts a contractually specified percentage of faculty >> salary >> into TIAA-CREF (Teacher's Insurance Annuity Association/College >> Retirement >> Equity Fund) on a quarterly basis for as long as they're employed by >> the >> College. Each faculty's TIAA-CREF retirement fund belongs to them. >> >> Bob >> >> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:50 PM, wrote: >> >>> Distribution: >>> >>> Does anyone know what the "pension reserve" amount is on the Colleges >>> balance sheet? I am refering specifically to the amount of money >>> that has >>> been set aside to meet retirement obligations for tenured faculty. >>> If the >>> tenure agreements include a pension, then there must be a pension >>> fund. What >>> happens to this money (if it exists) under the plan proposed by the >>> AUBOT >>> after 4 years? Is this money worked into their revitalization plan >>> for >>> capital improvements instead of pensions to tenured faculty? Has it >>> already >>> been spent? or, Has it ever been funded? How deep does this rabbit >>> hole >>> actually go? Lastly, How is this fund worked into the sale of >>> assets? Is AC3 >>> purchasing assets of the University? or Is AC3 purchasing a going >>> concern, >>> which includes all balance sheet assets/liabilities? >>> >>> Cross De Lairre >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL >Home >>> > >>> . >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Communications mailing list >>> Communications@antiochians.org >>> http://antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/ >>> communications_antiochians.org >>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >http://lists.antiochians.org/pipermail/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org/attachments/20080331/e8f60bf8/attachment.html >> _______________________________________________ >> SaveAntioch mailing list >> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >> >http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From sercle at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 1 10:13:13 2008 From: sercle at sbcglobal.net (Barrie Grenell) Date: Tue Apr 1 10:13:14 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch College andAntiochUniversity In-Reply-To: <875004.42860.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007801c89402$8680e9e0$4301a8c0@GRENELL> It comprises a majority on the board and (caution, I haven't read the bylaws recently) so then they could change how the board selects new members but now it's a board that decides on its own membership, with the exception of the Alumni Board President being an automatic trustee. It means the college and the university would still be one, until the newly constituted board voted to do otherwise. That's how I read all this, but I am ready to stand corrected. Barrie _________________ Barrie Grenell (415) 826-5391 home (415) 652-1038 cell sercle@sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: Robin Simons [mailto:robinsimons@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:39 PM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch College andAntiochUniversity is that 10 dedicated seats? as in, if one of ours dies do we replace it with another one of ours? --- Barrie Grenell wrote: > $10 million in cash and 10 seats on the 19-member > board of trustees. > > _________________ > Barrie Grenell > (415) 826-5391 home > (415) 652-1038 cell > sercle@sbcglobal.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin Simons [mailto:robinsimons@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:09 AM > To: Alumni Chat List > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for > Antioch College and > AntiochUniversity > > > what is the 10/10 plan, please? > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month > of Blockbuster Total > Access, No Cost. W00t > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com From travissanford at msn.com Tue Apr 1 10:16:37 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Tue Apr 1 10:16:39 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] RE: [Organizers] [SaveAntioch] [Communications] Pension Funds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I suggest that list the alumni chat for march by author and read Laura's and Pete's commentary on the McGregor bond issue, the terms of default and the use of an inflated value of college assets. These posts clearly outline why the cash up front is so important. As ellen and others have pointed out, in the end it has little to do with money (though the U did say it was all about money and so have committed themselves to resolution over that single point) it is about power and funding for Antioch University expansion. Toni Murdock believes that colleges like ours are a thing of the past, irrelevant or certainly unfundable in the education market today. They have stated in Board meetings and presentations on the state of the U that they plan for a $25MM expansion in Seattle, in the next five years! From: Cdelairre@aol.comDate: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:23:31 -0400To: cashdevine@gmail.com; communications@antiochians.orgCC: organizers@antiochians.org; alumni-board@antiochians.org; chapters@antiochians.org; alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu; tganges@umflint.edu; SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.orgSubject: Re: [Organizers] [SaveAntioch] [Communications] Pension Funds Thanks Bob, I believe that takes this concern off the table. I'm trying to reconcile why the UBOT would not accept a legitimate offer that in effect returns the Yellow Springs Campus to the University if AC3 fails to make the second installment in the required time. Depending upon how a lease structure is set up, the assets might remain on the University's balance sheet eliminating creditor concerns. At the point of transfer the assets would be valued at the purchase price and the University should be indifferent with regard to asset vs cash, from a balance sheet perspective. There is either an immediate need for the cash, or there is a carrot at the end that we are not taking into account. I am trying to determine what that might be. It may well be as has been stated here many times that the University needs the cash to meet covenants of the McGregor financing. If this is the case, is there a financial instrument that can be taken out that relieves the immediate need for cash experienced by the UBOT that can be backed by AC3 as part of the transaction? ( I know this seems like adding insult to injury, as the original funds should have been used for the campus, but emotions aside.) We really need to find a way to meet concerns on both sides over the long term for any transaction to materialize. It doesn't help that we have to guess about what might be critical UBOT issues. If this were done in an open forum we might be able to find a solution that meets the needs of all parties. I think it's the secret nature of the procedings that is at impasse not our objectives or goals. Cross De Lairre Class of 80 Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653A From travissanford at msn.com Tue Apr 1 10:20:37 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Tue Apr 1 10:20:39 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] RE: [Organizers] Some Questions Answered In-Reply-To: <001a01c893fa$33dc6cd0$4301a8c0@GRENELL> References: <003e01c893a1$a192f680$4301a8c0@GRENELL> <001a01c893fa$33dc6cd0$4301a8c0@GRENELL> Message-ID: And why those exclusions? AEA is the one guaranteed money maker in the basket. Development of the golf course is an essential element of the U's financial future. Or I should say the potential to develop the land it is not clear that the village would support development. WYSO you would be amazed at how much a public radio station is worth. The expanding network of alternative news organizations (that appear to be local but are centralized and run like any other corporation like Pacifica radio) are hungry to grabas much bandwidth as they can. > From: sercle@sbcglobal.net> To: sercle@sbcglobal.net; mspkzink@comcast.net; Cdelairre@aol.com; ellen.borgersen@sbcglobal.net; tganges@umflint.edu; alumni-board@antiochians.org; communications@antiochians.org; organizers@antiochians.org; SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org; alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu; chapters@antiochians.org> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:13:36 -0700> Subject: [Organizers] Some Questions Answered> > P asked:> "Do we know exactly what our $12.2 million would buy?> Not the endowment. Not WYSO. And apparently not the name. "> > I learned that the $12.2 million would buy all the physical assets normally> associated with college except the Golf Course, Kettering, and Fels. It> included the endowment and Glen Helen and the name "Antioch College". It> did not include AEA or WYSO.> > _________________> Barrie Grenell> (415) 826-5391 home> (415) 652-1038 cell> sercle@sbcglobal.net> > -----Original Message-----> From: saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org> [mailto:saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org] On Behalf Of Barrie> Grenell> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 7:40 PM> To: 'Priscilla'; Cdelairre@aol.com; ellen.borgersen@sbcglobal.net;> tganges@umflint.edu; alumni-board@antiochians.org;> communications@antiochians.org; organizers@antiochians.org;> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org; alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu;> chapters@antiochians.org> Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Pension Funds> > Can somebody answer these questions?> > _________________> Barrie Grenell> (415) 826-5391 home> (415) 652-1038 cell> sercle@sbcglobal.net> > -----Original Message-----> From: saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org> [mailto:saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 6:15 PM> To: Cdelairre@aol.com; ellen.borgersen@sbcglobal.net; tganges@umflint.edu;> alumni-board@antiochians.org; communications@antiochians.org;> organizers@antiochians.org; SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org;> alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu; chapters@antiochians.org> Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Pension Funds> > Good questions...but only a few of a great many. As inspired as I have been> > by Barrie's suggested $50/month alumni participation, I have wondered, Of> all that we > stand to lose at the bargaining table, I surprise myselt with the intensity > of my outrage over that last sticking point. WE are> Antioch; THEY are McPhoenix. (Whoever coined that label, thank you!) > Should negotiations ever resume, we need a seat at the table. We also need > legal advice. My $50/mo is now committed to our needs, but I would prefer > that it go first to retaining an accountant and/or lawyer then, after we > have prevailed (!), to rebuilding or paying down a debt.> > P> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; > ; ; > ; ; > ; > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 5:50 PM> Subject: [SaveAntioch] Pension Funds> > > > Distribution:> >> > Does anyone know what the "pension reserve" amount is on the Colleges> > balance sheet? I am refering specifically to the amount of money that has > > been set> > aside to meet retirement obligations for tenured faculty. If the tenure> > agreements include a pension, then there must be a pension fund. What > > happens to> > this money (if it exists) under the plan proposed by the AUBOT after 4 > > years?> > Is this money worked into their revitalization plan for capital > > improvements> > instead of pensions to tenured faculty? Has it already been spent? or, > > Has> > it ever been funded? How deep does this rabbit hole actually go? Lastly, > > How> > is this fund worked into the sale of assets? Is AC3 purchasing assets of > > the> > University? or Is AC3 purchasing a going concern, which includes all > > balance> > sheet assets/liabilities?> >> > Cross De Lairre> >> >> >> > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL> > Home.> >> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom0> 0030000000001)> > -------------- next part --------------> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> > URL: > >> http://lists.antiochians.org/pipermail/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org/att> achments/20080331/2792fca6/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________> > SaveAntioch mailing list> > SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org> >> http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.> org > > > _______________________________________________> SaveAntioch mailing list> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org> http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.> org> > > _______________________________________________> SaveAntioch mailing list> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org> http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.> org> > > _______________________________________________> Organizers mailing list> Organizers@antiochians.org> http://antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/organizers_antiochians.org _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up?use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_packup_042008 From marnoldtk at yahoo.com Tue Apr 1 11:06:17 2008 From: marnoldtk at yahoo.com (Matthew Arnold) Date: Tue Apr 1 11:06:19 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch College andAntiochUniversity Message-ID: <895418.984.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> As I understand it, it also means that if one of the ACCC's board members could no longer participate for any reason, we'd still have nine of 18 members deciding on a replacement. So we could count on at least half the votes. That's a dominant block on a self-perpetuating board. In the corporate world, this would be similar to a consortium buying a 51% share in a company. ----- Original Message ---- From: Barrie Grenell To: Alumni Chat List Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 10:13:13 AM Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch College andAntiochUniversity It comprises a majority on the board and (caution, I haven't read the bylaws recently) so then they could change how the board selects new members but now it's a board that decides on its own membership, with the exception of the Alumni Board President being an automatic trustee. It means the college and the university would still be one, until the newly constituted board voted to do otherwise. That's how I read all this, but I am ready to stand corrected. Barrie _________________ Barrie Grenell (415) 826-5391 home (415) 652-1038 cell sercle@sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: Robin Simons [mailto:robinsimons@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:39 PM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch College andAntiochUniversity is that 10 dedicated seats? as in, if one of ours dies do we replace it with another one of ours? --- Barrie Grenell wrote: > $10 million in cash and 10 seats on the 19-member > board of trustees. > > _________________ > Barrie Grenell > (415) 826-5391 home > (415) 652-1038 cell > sercle@sbcglobal.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin Simons [mailto:robinsimons@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:09 AM > To: Alumni Chat List > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for > Antioch College and > AntiochUniversity > > > what is the 10/10 plan, please? > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month > of Blockbuster Total > Access, No Cost. W00t > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From marnoldtk at yahoo.com Tue Apr 1 11:58:52 2008 From: marnoldtk at yahoo.com (Matthew Arnold) Date: Tue Apr 1 11:58:58 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] RE: [Organizers] Some Questions Answered Message-ID: <154352.24021.qm@web53406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just free associating here, but lately this whole thing reminds me a lot of the WBAI "Christmas coup" of 2000. Part of the motivation there was, as I recall, a desire by the malefactors to sell off some prime radio real estate. In the end, the jerks lost -- or at least, they didn't win. Gives me some hope for us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WBAI ----- Original Message ---- From: t Sanford >>>snip<<< WYSO you would be amazed at how much a public radio station is worth. The expanding network of alternative news organizations (that appear to be local but are centralized and run like any other corporation like Pacifica radio) are hungry to grabas much bandwidth as they can. ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From duffy at antioch-college.edu Tue Apr 1 15:34:05 2008 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Tue Apr 1 15:34:10 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting Time Message-ID: It is a very quiet moment here at the Big Olive (Kettering Library) most folks have gone to Community Meeting...and my first work study student in four hours has come in... so I I would rather she shelve todaze books...hopefully...I will get the normal second, third and fourth hand reports on events. and I am kinda blue for a moment and tired. A faculty member just passed through (who will be going to another job) and returned books that he has had checked out ....for 28 and 29 years. When his hair was jet black...now snowy white....ah..some folks do get better with age........ Better later than never I guess. Still hoping for that win win victory miracle that helps all parties. Don't forget to check all the antioch related websites if you are a surfer.. and call and get an old friend involved or up to speed. and please think about coming to graduation......Jimmy Williams will probably hit all the right targets..... in YS there is the Arthur Morgan House Bed and Breakfast and the Springs Motel (which used to be tha Anthony Wayne ) other options might be mainstream hotels nearby or if any YS folks are any of you have bonded. tick-tick-tick...time is passing Duffy '77 From theodora at imbris.com Tue Apr 1 16:14:56 2008 From: theodora at imbris.com (Pamela Olsen) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:15:06 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] posturing Message-ID: <4FD67F80-A9C0-491D-8EC9-6AFA4A8C1D20@imbris.com> I, for one, am becoming increasingly cynical here. I am trying very hard to believe that the ACCC is operating in good faith. BUt if they have 10 million to offer to buy 10 seats on the board, then why aren't they offering the 10 million to buy the college, instead of only 6...pay the rest later? I think we should just find a way to come up with the 12.2 and get rid of the board. Jeesh. Joe Blow can come along now and buy the college and make it whatever they want to make it. That makes a whole lot of sense. From pas0705 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 1 16:28:35 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:28:37 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] posturing In-Reply-To: <4FD67F80-A9C0-491D-8EC9-6AFA4A8C1D20@imbris.com> Message-ID: <181183.53345.qm@web63909.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I think the biggest issue is of accreditation of a free standing institution.. the ACCC stated that through consultation with experts they came up with timeframes of when stuff had to be done by...you would be talking about getting accreditation for an institution in less then three months... at this point the accreditation would require the assistance of the University to lobby for the college to successfully have it happen, instead of the roadblocking they've been doing for nine months. -l --- Pamela Olsen wrote: > I, for one, am becoming increasingly cynical here. I am trying very > hard to believe that the ACCC is operating in good faith. BUt if > they have 10 million to offer to buy 10 seats on the board, then why > aren't they offering the 10 million to buy the college, instead of > only 6...pay the rest later? > > I think we should just find a way to come up with the 12.2 and get > rid of the board. Jeesh. Joe Blow can come along now and buy the > college and make it whatever they want to make it. That makes a > whole lot of sense. > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From edhush at yahoo.com Tue Apr 1 16:41:02 2008 From: edhush at yahoo.com (Ed Hush) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:41:05 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Action Strategy immediate media response required - NY Times/AP: Petition proposal In-Reply-To: <217865.81173.qm@web63909.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <698385.4112.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> All, I agree with Laura- we need to get materials out that refute and counter the damage that AU is doing with some basic straightforward facts. Marianne Connolly has a point on Jeff's post about the NY Times article(which I might have a connection to rebut with a regular underculture reporter of theirs, but that's when I have what I NEED in hand, and not before, like the radio show- never again). I feel that we need to build a PR army, and have taken a few steps to build our ability to go out on foot and do the work. This is another one. We will need this even and especially if we win- so it is timely. So, to get what I need to take this action, I'm combining the two threads. We have yet another opportunity in NYC. We will have many. We must get used to it and take advantage of them. We'll have to develop the ability to critique ourselves on what we do and don't have that we need to win this fight as we go and create if not obtain the ones that we don't. I build process as an aspect of action to keep this action ongoing and sustainable. I don't waste my time otherwise because we will not Save Antioch if we don't. Just acting without a realization of the process that we take, and not consciously adjusting our collective reflection of the change, has only proven as dips in our cooperative responsiveness during moments of uncertainty and doubt when we need it the most. We are now not on our feet for the big changes in final and dire battle. Any process of action should be inclusive, leave records of itself for review and improvement, be democratic, non-coercive and thus, ongoing, as, even if we win, we cannot forget- we then have to manage the target that we are acquiring! What do we not have? - It might do us well to think about each section of all of the things that we press release, and back it up with more info elsewhere, like the get informed page- you know, expand and expound to give reporters and interested outside parties more to work with- that's what we created it for. - Things to hand out that summarize the history of the school, helping people understand why it is important to save it and the current crisis that we are trying to save it from. - Self-organized self-representative cooperating independent and autonomous locals that are understandable as a whole system to all individuals within them that can communicate between each other, start efforts on our own, and develop them while maintaining integrity to the needs of everyone in the community, including welcoming and working with students who are travelling/on coop, Co-Op advisors and fundraisers, such as IA and the President. What do we have? - ACAN has a good and getting better Public info page for everyone, check it out: http://saveantioch.org/get-informed/ - We have Laura's 'short and sweet' Pro-1010 petition writeboard: http://123.writeboard.com/871fa7831c2178929 password: 1010 I gave it some headings, and set it up as a petition that we can all sign when we post it. Go at it. - The ACAN wiki, which has all sorts of research and ideas in development, and can have more. Check it out: http://saveantioch.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Now we can all have something in hand to forward with our name on it to our local press to make connections in personalizing the dialog- something that we've badly needed to continue doing long ago(Chicago with those videos made it on point!!!), and it's the ACAN that is the group oriented around this self-representation, so it's about time that we started churning this stuff out. Represent in your town, neighborhood, city and it's media- I wear my ANTIOCH longsleeve T once a week and many of my current friends and co-workers know what is going on because of it. I am preparing a 'why I have been away from you all so long letter with links to the Antioch Papers Antioch Confidential. We are a small self-representative army, not a ruling elite with money and paid labor on it's hands; let's realize our advantages: We are many. We are amazing in our breadth and depth of skill. We are thoughtful. We are sensitive. We are thorough. We are intelligent. We are articulate. We are driven. We know how to listen. We have an inclusive self-representative democratic process that we are always developing. We are Antiochians, and we are aware of it. Let's make them very aware; WE ARE EVERYWHERE!!! Don't sleep, UBoT- we are EVERYWHERE!!! In NYC, Ed Trippel '92 CG '93 Marianne said: The NYT article is an AP article. Unfortunately, the last time I checkedgoogle there were almost 100 clones. So.... more papers need more letter writers. Laura Fathauer wrote: ACAN's benefit is that we have the outreach to many consituencies. We have the ability to quickly put up a petition and call for support, which I propose we do in this instance. A lot of the points that I made are already out there. ACAN can work on an extended press release that integrates some of those points- however I think getting up a petition with a show of support quickly is warranted and necessary. For that reason, I would propose we keep it short and simple. The initial text (copied below) is at: http://123.writeboard.com/871fa7831c2178929 password: 1010 In the interest of keeping the amount of email down, please add your editing comments on there, not on this list. ------------------------------------------------------------ Reviewing the Antioch University administration?s actions over the course of the last nine months, one conclusion is inescapable. The University Administration never intended to negotiate any type of deal that would provide for a viable future for Antioch College and its current tenured faculty and unionized staff. It is time for a new direction for Antioch University and Antioch College, one that cannot be provided under the current University Administration. The proposal still on the table from the Antioch College Continuation Corporation represents the best opportunity the Antioch trustees will ever again have to work with Antioch College alumni. We urge the Trustees to adopt the ACCC?s 10/10 proposal for a brighter future for the entire extended Antioch community. ____________________________________________________________________________________ No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text1.com _______________________________________________ ACAN mailing list ACAN@saveantioch.org http://saveantioch.org/mailman/listinfo/acan_saveantioch.org ONE DREAM ONE MIND ONE HEART ONE PEOPLE POWER IS THE PEOPLE POWER IS THE IMAGINATION --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. From jimjaf at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 16:44:55 2008 From: jimjaf at gmail.com (Jim Jaffe) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:44:57 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] does toni speak truth? Message-ID: <25b98cf20804011344r4bf0371ai8502ddf909c0b447@mail.gmail.com> are colleges like ours fundable in today's environment? anyone started a comparable place successfully of late? are there more or fewer than there were a few decades ago? From marnoldtk at yahoo.com Tue Apr 1 17:04:42 2008 From: marnoldtk at yahoo.com (Matthew Arnold) Date: Tue Apr 1 17:04:46 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] posturing Message-ID: <156637.85420.qm@web53402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Right. And it seems unlikely that the board would (or easily could) just sell the College to Young's or Cedarville or whomever shows up with $12.2 mil in cash. Given the environment for financing, I'm not all that sure anybody else would want it. They're just trying to turn up the pressure and scare the ACCC into plunking down most of its available funds for a College that would, by this point, be inoperable for the 2008-2009 school year while they got the accreditation stuff straightened out. So the school would be suspended. Instead of putting money towards necessary repairs to the physical plant, building a strong development office, etc., they'd be scrambling to raise funds to cover cost of operations. The College would lose its student body (and the small but precious tuition income thereof) and some faculty and staff -- even assuming, as I would, that they'd still be paid. In terms of a media narrative -- cultivation of which is vital to recruitment, particularly for a school that's gotten as much bad ink as Antioch -- instead of a miracle survival story, you'd have a campus in suspended animation. B-roll of tumbleweeds rolling across Main Lawn. Could the corporation raise the needed funds to keep it going into the next year, absent students? Would students show up in the fall? Would a critical mass of faculty and staff stick around to ensure continuity of the Antioch community? Tune in next year! Or, y'know, don't. And these things build on each other. Uncertainty hurts fundraising. Weak fundraising hurts recruitment and retention. All of that gets you more bad press which hits you on both fronts. Just ask my state's junior senator. So as far as I can tell, the ACCC is saying: Hey, you blew our deadlines. The deal is no good anymore. So how about we buy the University instead? ----- Original Message ---- From: Laura Fathauer To: Alumni Chat List Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 4:28:35 PM Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] posturing I think the biggest issue is of accreditation of a free standing institution.. the ACCC stated that through consultation with experts they came up with timeframes of when stuff had to be done by...you would be talking about getting accreditation for an institution in less then three months... at this point the accreditation would require the assistance of the University to lobby for the college to successfully have it happen, instead of the roadblocking they've been doing for nine months. -l --- Pamela Olsen wrote: > I, for one, am becoming increasingly cynical here. I am trying very > hard to believe that the ACCC is operating in good faith. BUt if > they have 10 million to offer to buy 10 seats on the board, then why > aren't they offering the 10 million to buy the college, instead of > only 6...pay the rest later? > > I think we should just find a way to come up with the 12.2 and get > rid of the board. Jeesh. Joe Blow can come along now and buy the > college and make it whatever they want to make it. That makes a > whole lot of sense. > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From jdavid at coldren.net Tue Apr 1 17:14:47 2008 From: jdavid at coldren.net (J. David Coldren) Date: Tue Apr 1 17:15:16 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] does Toni speak truth? In-Reply-To: <25b98cf20804011344r4bf0371ai8502ddf909c0b447@mail.gmail.com> References: <25b98cf20804011344r4bf0371ai8502ddf909c0b447@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <068501c8943d$6bed2a40$43c77ec0$@net> Jaffe, you ask too many sensible questions. Off with your head! (figuratively, of course). J. David Coldren '65 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Jaffe Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:45 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: [Alumni-chat] does toni speak truth? are colleges like ours fundable in today's environment? anyone started a comparable place successfully of late? are there more or fewer than there were a few decades ago? _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From marklp2 at comcast.net Tue Apr 1 17:43:33 2008 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Tue Apr 1 17:43:35 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] does toni speak truth? In-Reply-To: <25b98cf20804011344r4bf0371ai8502ddf909c0b447@mail.gmail.com> References: <25b98cf20804011344r4bf0371ai8502ddf909c0b447@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003101c89441$6f983410$0301a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> More small liberal arts colleges disappear than appear nowadays. 200+ left out of 700+ in the 60's. Many have learning communities that look something like Antioch. Some big research U's have small residential learning communities too. -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Jaffe Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:45 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: [Alumni-chat] does toni speak truth? are colleges like ours fundable in today's environment? anyone started a comparable place successfully of late? are there more or fewer than there were a few decades ago? _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1346 - Release Date: 3/27/2008 10:03 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1346 - Release Date: 3/27/2008 10:03 AM From pas0705 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 1 17:47:18 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Tue Apr 1 17:47:20 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] does Toni speak truth? In-Reply-To: <068501c8943d$6bed2a40$43c77ec0$@net> Message-ID: <388545.26960.qm@web63902.mail.re1.yahoo.com> During my research in the fall, I came across the article on budgeting at liberal arts institutions. It compared 50 liberal arts institutions. Key points were- -all but two of the institutions 'subsidized' the cost per student. That is, for the average revenue per student, the average cost per student anywhere from 10% to 100% greater then that revenue. -Places with larger endowments spent more per student, and subsidized more per student, then those with smaller endowments. This is still going on. Liberal arts colleges are still making it today as viable educational institutions. The base factors in budgeting in those other institutions are the same base factors in budgeting at antioch- there is no magic involved in "antioch college budgeting". The way Antioch is unique today is not that "liberal arts colleges are not viable" as the chancellor believes. The way Antioch College is unique is that we have a small endowment, AND the traditional other source of revenue (adult programming) no longer wants to contribute to the home institution. It is not liberal arts education that is not viable- it is the funding and the governance structure at Antioch that is not viable. Antioch College struggles because of the lack of "renewable resource" type funding to make up the difference between the revenue per student and the cost per student. The interest on endowment or revenue-generating programs you see at other institutions are continually taken away from the College- from spending the endowment on expansion, to canceling summer programs, to adult campuses that don't want to fulfill their historical obligations to the College (McGregor). Think about McGregor- a weekend and evening program, that utilized campus buildings when the College program wasn't. The same buildings are producing revenue during times they'd normally be unused. That's why those types of programs succeed in generating revenue. This stupid bloody university built a completely separate building- so now at every single hour of every day of the week, the University has unused facility resources in Yellow Springs. Toni's vision of 'viability' is budgeting based on the principles at revenue-driving, adult campus programs. The revenue of tuition covers the cost of education. Its not bloody rocket science. I have an article written by Shay in 1976 that lays it out better.. I'll post some when I get home tonight. -l ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From dlbahr at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 17:54:30 2008 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Tue Apr 1 17:54:32 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch College andAntiochUniversity In-Reply-To: <007801c89402$8680e9e0$4301a8c0@GRENELL> References: <875004.42860.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <007801c89402$8680e9e0$4301a8c0@GRENELL> Message-ID: Does anyone on this chatline know how the Antioch Board of Trustees selects its new members? Are there bylaws regarding selection? If I remember correctly, the Alumni Board President may attend BoT meetings but is not a voting member, correct? Lesley> From: sercle@sbcglobal.net> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch College andAntiochUniversity> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:13:13 -0700> > It comprises a majority on the board and (caution, I haven't read the bylaws> recently) so then they could change how the board selects new members but> now it's a board that decides on its own membership, with the exception of> the Alumni Board President being an automatic trustee.> > It means the college and the university would still be one, until the newly> constituted board voted to do otherwise. > > That's how I read all this, but I am ready to stand corrected.> > Barrie> _________________> Barrie Grenell> (415) 826-5391 home> (415) 652-1038 cell> sercle@sbcglobal.net> > -----Original Message-----> From: Robin Simons [mailto:robinsimons@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:39 PM> To: Alumni Chat List> Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch College> andAntiochUniversity> > is that 10 dedicated seats? as in, if one of ours dies> do we replace it with another one of ours?> > --- Barrie Grenell wrote:> > > $10 million in cash and 10 seats on the 19-member> > board of trustees.> > > > _________________> > Barrie Grenell> > (415) 826-5391 home> > (415) 652-1038 cell> > sercle@sbcglobal.net> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: Robin Simons [mailto:robinsimons@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:09 AM> > To: Alumni Chat List> > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for> > Antioch College and> > AntiochUniversity> > > > > > what is the 10/10 plan, please?> > > > > > > >> ____________________________________________________________________________> > ________> > OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month> > of Blockbuster Total> > Access, No Cost. W00t > > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com> > > > > > _______________________________________________> > Alumni-chat mailing list> > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today!> > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________> ________> OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total> Access, No Cost. W00t > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com> > > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up?use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_packup_042008 From travissanford at msn.com Tue Apr 1 18:30:31 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Tue Apr 1 18:30:33 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] does toni speak truth? In-Reply-To: <25b98cf20804011344r4bf0371ai8502ddf909c0b447@mail.gmail.com> References: <25b98cf20804011344r4bf0371ai8502ddf909c0b447@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry Jim, but why would we have spent the last 9 months doing our day jobs and working on this if we did not believe that the college was viable. The key, as reading any of the last few months of posts will indicate, is that residential liberal arts colleges can not survive on tuition alone and in fact almost none do. The overhead is simply too great and thus the need for an endowment, which is phase II of save the college. The other campuses have much lower overhead (no tenure no unions few buildings etc) so they can either suspiciously break even or less suspiciously be in the black or the red. Toni's points are based on a total lack of understanding of undergraduate residential revenue models. She is a non-residential education "expert". Nothing that they have proposed contains more than a kernal of truth. Is it expensive yes, does it need a big endowment to be less tuition dependent yes, does every other college like it need the same kind of support? Yes. > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:44:55 -0400> From: jimjaf@gmail.com> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: [Alumni-chat] does toni speak truth?> > are colleges like ours fundable in today's environment? anyone> started a comparable place successfully of late? are there more or> fewer than there were a few decades ago?> _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 From travissanford at msn.com Tue Apr 1 18:49:34 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Tue Apr 1 18:49:36 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] does Toni speak truth? In-Reply-To: <068501c8943d$6bed2a40$43c77ec0$@net> References: <25b98cf20804011344r4bf0371ai8502ddf909c0b447@mail.gmail.com> <068501c8943d$6bed2a40$43c77ec0$@net> Message-ID: Sesnsible ? or simplistic considering the time, money and brains that have gone into the effort to save the college. While alternative points of view are important (and the source of my livlihood) questioning basic principles at the moment of decision is unlikely to yield a positive result. > From: jdavid@coldren.net> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] does Toni speak truth?> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:14:47 -0500> > Jaffe, you ask too many sensible questions. Off with your head!> (figuratively, of course).> > > J. David Coldren '65> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu> [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Jaffe> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:45 PM> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: [Alumni-chat] does toni speak truth?> > are colleges like ours fundable in today's environment? anyone> started a comparable place successfully of late? are there more or> fewer than there were a few decades ago?> _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today!> > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 From christian.feuerstein at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 19:09:11 2008 From: christian.feuerstein at gmail.com (Christian Feuerstein) Date: Tue Apr 1 19:09:15 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Board Urges University Board of Trustees to Meet Face-to-Face with ACCC Message-ID: <45e83e2c0804011609k6a145d70m8f17bd06b1c3f652@mail.gmail.com> For Immediate Release March 31, 2008- In a meeting on March 30, 2008, the Antioch College Alumni Association Board of Directors unanimously passed a resolution calling for the University Board of Trustees to meet face-to-face with the Antioch College Continuation Corporation (ACCC) as soon as possible. Nancy Crow, President of the Antioch College Alumni Board, said today in a statement: "We strongly urge the University Board of Trustees to sit down with the ACCC and have a meeting with all possible speed." She continued, "The continued operations of Antioch College are vital to the nation and to the world. We ask that the two Boards come together to consider all possible options." Recently, the ACCC and the University Board of Trustees broke off negotiations concerning the transfer of the College to the ACCC, an independent non-profit corporation controlled by nine distinguished College alumni. Since the University Board of Trustees announced the suspension of operations in June 2007, Antioch College alumni across the country have rallied to their alma mater's defense. Alumni chapters have grown worldwide. The Alumni Board is continuing with its fundraising and planning efforts. For additional information on the Antioch College Alumni Association and the College Revival Fund, visit the Antioch College Alumni Association web site, antiochians.org. -###- From jdavid at coldren.net Tue Apr 1 20:14:08 2008 From: jdavid at coldren.net (J. David Coldren) Date: Tue Apr 1 20:14:32 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] does Toni speak truth? In-Reply-To: <388545.26960.qm@web63902.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <068501c8943d$6bed2a40$43c77ec0$@net> <388545.26960.qm@web63902.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <06b901c89456$798affb0$6ca0ff10$@net> Laura, You said, earlier today: ========================= -all but two of the institutions 'subsidized' the cost per student. That is, for the average revenue per student, the average cost per student anywhere from 10% to 100% greater then that revenue. -Places with larger endowments spent more per student, and subsidized more per student, then those with smaller endowments. ========================= Do you have at hand the 'subsidized' cost per student as a percent of FTE at Antioch over the past three or four years vs. our 'sister' schools such as Oberlin, Reed, Bennington, Goddard, etc.? That might help answer one of Jim Jaffe's questions. We already know about our pitiable endowment and successive failures to increase it. One question might legitimately be raised: what has been the strategy in the last decade, say, to reduce the average subsidized cost per student by tailoring a program that attracts students who can afford to pay FTE or close to it or? As Jim Jaffe's questions imply, it ain't over 'til it's over. And as Jim once famously is reputed to have said: "Keep Hope Alive." J. David Coldren '65 This e-mail and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Further, they may be subject to Executive Privilege or the attorney work product doctrine. If you are not the named addressee, this e-mail and any attachments have been received by you in error and you are legally prohibited from reading, copying, retaining in any format or disseminating this e-mail or any of its attachments. Your erroneous receipt of this e-mail and any attachments shall not constitute a waiver of any privilege or confidentiality, Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail and any attachments in error and delete them from your system. -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Laura Fathauer Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:47 PM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] does Toni speak truth? During my research in the fall, I came across the article on budgeting at liberal arts institutions. It compared 50 liberal arts institutions. Key points were- -all but two of the institutions 'subsidized' the cost per student. That is, for the average revenue per student, the average cost per student anywhere from 10% to 100% greater then that revenue. -Places with larger endowments spent more per student, and subsidized more per student, then those with smaller endowments. This is still going on. Liberal arts colleges are still making it today as viable educational institutions. The base factors in budgeting in those other institutions are the same base factors in budgeting at antioch- there is no magic involved in "antioch college budgeting". The way Antioch is unique today is not that "liberal arts colleges are not viable" as the chancellor believes. The way Antioch College is unique is that we have a small endowment, AND the traditional other source of revenue (adult programming) no longer wants to contribute to the home institution. It is not liberal arts education that is not viable- it is the funding and the governance structure at Antioch that is not viable. Antioch College struggles because of the lack of "renewable resource" type funding to make up the difference between the revenue per student and the cost per student. The interest on endowment or revenue-generating programs you see at other institutions are continually taken away from the College- from spending the endowment on expansion, to canceling summer programs, to adult campuses that don't want to fulfill their historical obligations to the College (McGregor). Think about McGregor- a weekend and evening program, that utilized campus buildings when the College program wasn't. The same buildings are producing revenue during times they'd normally be unused. That's why those types of programs succeed in generating revenue. This stupid bloody university built a completely separate building- so now at every single hour of every day of the week, the University has unused facility resources in Yellow Springs. Toni's vision of 'viability' is budgeting based on the principles at revenue-driving, adult campus programs. The revenue of tuition covers the cost of education. Its not bloody rocket science. I have an article written by Shay in 1976 that lays it out better.. I'll post some when I get home tonight. -l ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From jeffreyterrell at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 20:38:16 2008 From: jeffreyterrell at hotmail.com (Jeffrey Terrell) Date: Tue Apr 1 20:38:18 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] static on the line: Keep hope alive? Message-ID: "Keep Hope Alive" already has a context in Jesse Jackson's past presidential campaigns. I could be wrong, but was that not in his closing speech at the 1988 Democratic Convention? So, J. David Coldren, in what context did Jim Jaffe once, famously, reputedly say: "Keep Hope Alive?" _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up?use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_packup_042008 From pas0705 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 1 21:27:36 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Tue Apr 1 21:27:38 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] does Toni speak truth? In-Reply-To: <06b901c89456$798affb0$6ca0ff10$@net> Message-ID: <284371.89909.qm@web63910.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- "J. David Coldren" wrote: > That might help answer one of Jim Jaffe's questions. We already know about > our pitiable endowment and successive failures to increase it. One question > might legitimately be raised: what has been the strategy in the last decade, > say, to reduce the average subsidized cost per student by tailoring a > program that attracts students who can afford to pay FTE or close to it or? J. David- So, you propose the way to viability is to run a tuition revenue driven liberal arts college? One that doesn't offer financial aid to its students? To compete in a market with other colleges that -can- offer to the student more then what they're paying for, because they're able to 'add value' to their education through the other revenue sources available? I prefer the much more relevent question of: what have been the efforts and successes of the chancellors and the board of this non-profit to strengthen the other revenue sources that liberal arts colleges rely upon. Your answer can be found in the board resolution of June 9th, 2007. -laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From jdwood5000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 1 21:54:57 2008 From: jdwood5000 at yahoo.com (j.d.wood) Date: Tue Apr 1 21:55:07 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alum Board press release Message-ID: <239955.97117.qm@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I heartily concur that the AC3 and AUBOT meet face to face ASAP. Not negotiating teams - the full AC3 and the full AUBOT. The historic opportunity is really upon us. The AUBOT needs to stop dragging its feet and realize it has a solid, enforceable offer. The AC3 needs to give the AUBOT one last chance to stop dragging its feet on the transfer and if necessary put as much of the $10M-for-10-seats money into the $12.2M purchase price. We have and active committed alumni base that is ready to jump into action as soon as SOMETHING CONCRETE is put before us to support. This is a FACT. We have PR and media people, fundraisers and IT gurus, educators and facilitators. Antioch College WILL thrive if we make this purchase but this needs to happen immediately. ----------- For Immediate Release March 31, 2008- In a meeting on March 30, 2008, the Antioch College Alumni Association Board of Directors unanimously passed a resolution calling for the University Board of Trustees to meet face-to-face with the Antioch College Continuation Corporation (ACCC) as soon as possible. Nancy Crow, President of the Antioch College Alumni Board, said today in a statement: "We strongly urge the University Board of Trustees to sit down with the ACCC and have a meeting with all possible speed." She continued, "The continued operations of Antioch College are vital to the nation and to the world. We ask that the two Boards come together to consider all possible options." Recently, the ACCC and the University Board of Trustees broke off negotiations concerning the transfer of the College to the ACCC, an independent non-profit corporation controlled by nine distinguished College alumni. Since the University Board of Trustees announced the suspension of operations in June 2007, Antioch College alumni across the country have rallied to their alma mater's defense. Alumni chapters have grown worldwide. The Alumni Board is continuing with its fundraising and planning efforts. For additional information on the Antioch College Alumni Association and the College Revival Fund, visit the Antioch College Alumni Association web site, antiochians.org. ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From sercle at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 1 22:54:38 2008 From: sercle at sbcglobal.net (Barrie Grenell) Date: Tue Apr 1 22:54:38 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch CollegeandAntiochUniversity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006401c8946c$e4d91570$4301a8c0@GRENELL> The Alumni Board president is a voting member. But oddly enough, Nancy Crow's name is not on the list of Trustees on the University's web site. (Nancy Crow being the current Alumni Board president.) _________________ Barrie Grenell (415) 826-5391 home (415) 652-1038 cell sercle@sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: dl bahr [mailto:dlbahr@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:55 PM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch CollegeandAntiochUniversity Does anyone on this chatline know how the Antioch Board of Trustees selects its new members? Are there bylaws regarding selection? If I remember correctly, the Alumni Board President may attend BoT meetings but is not a voting member, correct? Lesley> From: sercle@sbcglobal.net> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch College andAntiochUniversity> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:13:13 -0700> > It comprises a majority on the board and (caution, I haven't read the bylaws> recently) so then they could change how the board selects new members but> now it's a board that decides on its own membership, with the exception of> the Alumni Board President being an automatic trustee.> > It means the college and the university would still be one, until the newly> constituted board voted to do otherwise. > > That's how I read all this, but I am ready to stand corrected.> > Barrie> _________________> Barrie Grenell> (415) 826-5391 home> (415) 652-1038 cell> sercle@sbcglobal.net> > -----Original Message-----> From: Robin Simons [mailto:robinsimons@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:39 PM> To: Alumni Chat List> Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch College> andAntiochUniversity> > is that 10 dedicated seats? as in, if one of ours dies> do we replace it with another one of ours?> > --- Barrie Grenell wrote:> > > $10 million in cash and 10 seats on the 19-member> > board of trustees.> > > > _________________> > Barrie Grenell> > (415) 826-5391 home> > (415) 652-1038 cell> > sercle@sbcglobal.net> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: Robin Simons [mailto:robinsimons@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:09 AM> > To: Alumni Chat List> > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for> > Antioch College and> > AntiochUniversity> > > > > > what is the 10/10 plan, please?> > > > > > > >> ____________________________________________________________________________ > > ________> > OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month> > of Blockbuster Total> > Access, No Cost. W00t > > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com> > > > > > _______________________________________________> > Alumni-chat mailing list> > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today!> > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________> OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total> Access, No Cost. W00t > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com> > > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up-use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refres h_skydrive_packup_042008 From travissanford at msn.com Tue Apr 1 23:07:44 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Tue Apr 1 23:07:48 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch CollegeandAntiochUniversity In-Reply-To: <006401c8946c$e4d91570$4301a8c0@GRENELL> References: <006401c8946c$e4d91570$4301a8c0@GRENELL> Message-ID: No, the President of the alumni board is not a voting member. They serve ex-officio and as the voice of the "alumni" but do not have a vote. > From: sercle@sbcglobal.net> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch CollegeandAntiochUniversity> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:54:38 -0700> > The Alumni Board president is a voting member. But oddly enough, Nancy> Crow's name is not on the list of Trustees on the University's web site.> (Nancy Crow being the current Alumni Board president.)> > _________________> Barrie Grenell> (415) 826-5391 home> (415) 652-1038 cell> sercle@sbcglobal.net> > -----Original Message-----> From: dl bahr [mailto:dlbahr@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:55 PM> To: Alumni Chat List> Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch> CollegeandAntiochUniversity> > > Does anyone on this chatline know how the Antioch Board of Trustees selects> its new members? Are there bylaws regarding selection? If I remember> correctly, the Alumni Board President may attend BoT meetings but is not a> voting member, correct?> > Lesley> From: sercle@sbcglobal.net> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject:> RE: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch College andAntiochUniversity>> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:13:13 -0700> > It comprises a majority on the board> and (caution, I haven't read the bylaws> recently) so then they could change> how the board selects new members but> now it's a board that decides on its> own membership, with the exception of> the Alumni Board President being an> automatic trustee.> > It means the college and the university would still be> one, until the newly> constituted board voted to do otherwise. > > That's> how I read all this, but I am ready to stand corrected.> > Barrie>> _________________> Barrie Grenell> (415) 826-5391 home> (415) 652-1038 cell>> sercle@sbcglobal.net> > -----Original Message-----> From: Robin Simons> [mailto:robinsimons@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:39 PM> To:> Alumni Chat List> Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch> College> andAntiochUniversity> > is that 10 dedicated seats? as in, if one> of ours dies> do we replace it with another one of ours?> > --- Barrie> Grenell wrote:> > > $10 million in cash and 10 seats> on the 19-member> > board of trustees.> > > > _________________> > Barrie> Grenell> > (415) 826-5391 home> > (415) 652-1038 cell> >> sercle@sbcglobal.net> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: Robin Simons> [mailto:robinsimons@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:09 AM> >> To: Alumni Chat List> > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for> >> Antioch College and> > AntiochUniversity> > > > > > what is the 10/10 plan,> please?> > > > > > > >>> ____________________________________________________________________________> > > ________> > OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month> > of> Blockbuster Total> > Access, No Cost. W00t > >> http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com> > > > > >> _______________________________________________> > Alumni-chat mailing list>> > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> > Visit> http://www.Antioch-College.edu today!> > > > > > >> ____________________________________________________________________________> > ________> OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of> Blockbuster Total> Access, No Cost. W00t >> http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com> > >> _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list>> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu>> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit> http://www.Antioch-College.edu today!> _________________________________________________________________> Pack up or back up-use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies.> Learn how.> hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refres> h_skydrive_packup_042008> > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 From matt at baya.net Tue Apr 1 23:10:29 2008 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Tue Apr 1 23:10:35 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch CollegeandAntiochUniversity In-Reply-To: <006401c8946c$e4d91570$4301a8c0@GRENELL> References: <006401c8946c$e4d91570$4301a8c0@GRENELL> Message-ID: <1D0A7563-31F7-465A-A6A9-E0C24BC0D985@baya.net> On Apr 1, 2008, at 10:54 PM, Barrie Grenell wrote: > The Alumni Board president is a voting member. But oddly enough, Nancy > Crow's name is not on the list of Trustees on the University's web > site. > (Nancy Crow being the current Alumni Board president.) Actually this is incorrect, they do list Nancy at the bottom of the list with Toni as Ex-Officio members; http://www.antioch.edu/administration.html Unless there's some other list on their site I'm not aware with. ----- http://wiki.antiochians.org/index.php?title=BOT is our wiki page that is fairly up to date now. If you see anything incorrect or missing let me know (or go in and fix it yourself, it's a wiki :)) -Matt From Willkops at aol.com Tue Apr 1 23:11:00 2008 From: Willkops at aol.com (Willkops@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 1 23:10:37 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Are things going to court? Message-ID: If the AUBOT doesn't want to talk with the AC3 and doesn't want to do the 10/10 plan, then will things go to court? What is happening with the faculty court case and are alumni involved with it? **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From cashdevine at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 23:14:06 2008 From: cashdevine at gmail.com (Bob Devine) Date: Tue Apr 1 23:14:09 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 14, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <20080402001434.41435636B3ED@w3.antioch.edu> References: <20080402001434.41435636B3ED@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: Laura, you provide too many sensible answers. Off with your head! (figuratively, of course). Bob ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Laura Fathauer > To: Alumni Chat List > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:47:18 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] does Toni speak truth? > During my research in the fall, I came across the article on budgeting at > liberal arts institutions. It compared 50 liberal arts institutions. Key > points > were- > > -all but two of the institutions 'subsidized' the cost per student. That > is, > for the average revenue per student, the average cost per student anywhere > from > 10% to 100% greater then that revenue. > > -Places with larger endowments spent more per student, and subsidized more > per > student, then those with smaller endowments. > > This is still going on. Liberal arts colleges are still making it today as > viable educational institutions. The base factors in budgeting in those > other > institutions are the same base factors in budgeting at antioch- there is > no > magic involved in "antioch college budgeting". > > The way Antioch is unique today is not that "liberal arts colleges are not > viable" as the chancellor believes. The way Antioch College is unique is > that > we have a small endowment, AND the traditional other source of revenue > (adult > programming) no longer wants to contribute to the home institution. It is > not > liberal arts education that is not viable- it is the funding and the > governance > structure at Antioch that is not viable. > > Antioch College struggles because of the lack of "renewable resource" type > funding to make up the difference between the revenue per student and the > cost > per student. The interest on endowment or revenue-generating programs you > see > at other institutions are continually taken away from the College- from > spending the endowment on expansion, to canceling summer programs, to > adult > campuses that don't want to fulfill their historical obligations to the > College > (McGregor). > > Think about McGregor- a weekend and evening program, that utilized campus > buildings when the College program wasn't. The same buildings are > producing > revenue during times they'd normally be unused. That's why those types of > programs succeed in generating revenue. This stupid bloody university > built a > completely separate building- so now at every single hour of every day of > the > week, the University has unused facility resources in Yellow Springs. > > Toni's vision of 'viability' is budgeting based on the principles at > revenue-driving, adult campus programs. The revenue of tuition covers the > cost > of education. > > Its not bloody rocket science. > > I have an article written by Shay in 1976 that lays it out better.. I'll > post > some when I get home tonight. > > -l > > > > ____________________________________________________________ From travissanford at msn.com Tue Apr 1 23:22:29 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Tue Apr 1 23:22:32 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] FW: questioning basic principles? In-Reply-To: <25b98cf20804011842m65e13b13gf1869f0298ca3357@mail.gmail.com> References: <25b98cf20804011842m65e13b13gf1869f0298ca3357@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: jim, i will do the research tomorrow but i have this bug in my brain that says there are at least ten slarc's with less than 1000 students. At the 1000 student level and above we need only look at my home town favorite Reed. Reed has approximately 1200 students (a number that has been in decline for several years) a students "pay" a mere 60% of what the education would actually cost and this is a student body whose parents have substantial assets on the whole (in my short time there my housemates included the blacksheep son of a major food conglomerate, an ambassador's son and the son of a member of the US Senate whose family had more than one senator in their line. I briefly dated (but alas did not capture the heart of) a mail order marketing heiress). The tuition at Harvard, though very high, does not cover the actual cost of educating the undergraduate student body, again, it is the wealth of the endowment, not enrollment that ends up making a college selective. My comment about the simplistic nature of your question is that this board and this alumni body have gone around and around for nine months on the issue. We believe, still that no other institution offers what Antioch does even in its enfeebeled state. That it can recover is bourne out by the numbers of information requests admissions get every year. The problem has been conversion. Our facilities are perhaps the worst in higher ed (short of the University of DC) but we still have 300 students who are willing to pony up every last asset their parents posses to meet our shcokingly jogh tuition! That means the market exists but only the diehards are coming. If we can move to a place where capital improvements does not equal deferred maintainece our numbers would go up. If you think this is a question of the chicken or the egg, I would suggest that it can not be shown that the definitive downturn in Antioch's financial position was tied to declining standards of enrollment or graduation but rather in the general down turn in the US economy circa 1974 and the stock market crash of 2001. Also, as I posted long ago, Antioch's decline in enrollement has been less than the decline in the college age population so it is not a question of a shrinking demographic. travis > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:42:33 -0400> From: jimjaf@gmail.com> To: travissanford@msn.com> Subject: questioning basic principles?> > Hi,> and thanks for your response to my post. I could say if there was> one lesson Antioch taught us, it was to question basic principles, but> that might lead us to a tangential discussion.> > it has seemed to me, and I've said so, that the key here is> product. Creating an attractive educational institution where kids> are battering down the doors to get in. We call that a selective> school, which Antioch defiitely isn't at the moment. Instead, it> appears that for the past decade or so, fewer than a thousand people> have enrolled in classes in Yellow Springs and the number applying> hasn't been substantially greater that that. Suffice to say Antioch> hasn't been turning away most of its applicants as Reed or Oberlin> routinely do. I don't know why that is, but am very aware that my> kids expressed no interest in going there, nor did the kids of any of> my Antioch classmates, all of whom recall their time in YSO fondly.> obviously any liberal arts college subsidize the students to some> degree. That's how they work. Obviously a big endowment is better> than a small one. But endowment, like enrollment, reflects enthusiasm> and excitement among various constituencies -- alums and potential> students to name two key ones.> I have no sense of such excitement from either group, which leads> me to ask whether the college, irrespective of our memories, is> viable. Bickering about governance, legalities and, god save us, news> coverage in the NY Times doesn't address that question.> To put it as baldly as I can, I cannot believe that a college> with such an endowment is viable with fewer than 1000 students, to> give you an arbitrary number, and I haven't seen anything in all the> posts during the past few months about any vision that would boost> enrollment.> Think about it, if folks immediately gave $10 million for the> endowment fund, an improbable outcome, that would generate $400,000> year in operating income, which would basically mean that student> tuition would have to cover all but $4000 per student , in the> extremely unlikely event that everyone enrolled paid the full rack> rate. If enrollment grows, the subsidy obviously drops, but the unit> cost declines also. So bigger is better and that requires an> attractive product.> I guess I missed the email explaining what that product was, but> would be most interested in reading it.> > Jim Jaffe Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 From mtc at crocker.com Wed Apr 2 01:21:43 2008 From: mtc at crocker.com (Marianne Connolly) Date: Wed Apr 2 00:24:18 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] FW: [Organizers] Andrzej in Community Meeting today Message-ID: Forwarding Chelsea Marten's email ---- For those of you that heard about Andrzej's outburst at Community Meeting today, I wanted to share my response: Dear Andrzej, I am deeply disturbed and appalled by your behavior at today's Community Meeting. I didn't realize the extent of your actions until key members of the Community informed me about the specifics of what happened afterward, so I apologize for this late response (it should have happened immediately after the incident). From my seat at Community Meeting I wasn't able to catch all the details. You are a leader during troubled times. And I understand that I only have a small idea of the stress and difficulty that you are under. As one community leader to another I do realize the immense strain that your difficult position puts you in - but your actions today were inexcusable. It is important now, possibly more than ever, that the leaders of our College pave a safe and supportive path for community members to walk down, to guide them and lift their spirits during terrifying times of uncertainty. As you know, the morale and spirits on campus are low. It is up to us to infuse our community with a great sense of courage, hope, and love - hopefully enough to help them hold their heads high, to help them feel strong and capable enough to move through this term with enough dignity and respect for each other to not only survive this term, but to thrive during these times. It is our duty as leaders to support, empower, and affirm each and every member of the Antioch College Community. And today, you have failed your duty. Your actions today were degrading, disrespectful, and demonstrated your gross abuse of power. You violently silenced members of our community by yelling at them to "shut up". You violently pushed and shoved esteemed members of our faculty. You called a member of our Alumni community a liar. And you disrespected every single person counting on you to provide great leadership. Especially as a white man in an authority position, you are charged with a greater sense of responsibility to check your power and privilege, particularly while addressing women, children, and community members of color. You abused every position of power you hold within this community to humiliate and hurt members of our community. I am calling for an immediate, personal apology to the student and her child that you yelled at, to the faculty member you engaged in the physical altercation with, and to the member of the Alumni Board that you insulted. I am also calling for an immediate apology to the entire community for your actions today. To everyone else: Beyond that I am calling on each and every member of our community to realize your own self-worth and dignity as a member of this College. I know that at times it is hard to remember, but you do have power within this College. You have a voice and you do have control. I want you to know that you are appreciated, loved, and respected enough to deserve better. Members of the community will gather in the c-shop tomorrow (Wednesday, 4-2-08) @ 8pm in a strategic planning session for how to respond to ineffective leadership. It is not just about this event, it is about leadership at this College in general. It is about reclaiming a sense of empowerment during this difficult times. I also want to address my use of this public forum for a personal letter. I think the way that power and control play into this situation makes it complicated. The way that this community has been systematically denied its own voice and agency, has been given misinformation, and has lacked a leadership role that it has clearly voiced its need for further complications the situation. Questioning power is a basic element of free speech and an expression of someones dissatisfaction with actions that have dire consequences to their lives. I do understand that Andrzej is more than a "public official" and is also a humanbeing who is a member of the Antioch Community, but his involvement within this community is certainly more complicated than that, and I believe it warrants community dialog - especially when other forms of attempted communication with you, Andrzej, have so grotesquely failed. I hope, Andrzej, that we can meet soon to discuss this matter further. I also hope that you have heard my words, Chelsea Chelsea Martens Community Manager Antioch College 795 Livermore St. Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387 cmartens@antioch-college.edu 937-769-1050 -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Organizers mailing list Organizers@antiochians.org http://antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/organizers_antiochians.org From Willkops at aol.com Wed Apr 2 00:43:21 2008 From: Willkops at aol.com (Willkops@aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 2 00:43:38 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Possible financer for the 6.2 million Message-ID: Check out this group, there actually considering buying the school. Maybe the Ac3 can contact them. _http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/1/213641/2278/582/488597_ (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/1/213641/2278/582/488597) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From theodora at imbris.com Wed Apr 2 02:16:41 2008 From: theodora at imbris.com (Pamela Olsen) Date: Wed Apr 2 02:16:52 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the lottery Message-ID: <2F99AFA2-D9F6-4DFA-A78E-C7BD19837320@imbris.com> Maybe we should just buy a few hundred lottery tickets and win the lottery. OUr chances would probably be better than going through this process. From marklp2 at comcast.net Wed Apr 2 03:36:39 2008 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Wed Apr 2 05:42:41 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] FW: questioning basic principles? In-Reply-To: References: <25b98cf20804011842m65e13b13gf1869f0298ca3357@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a901c89494$4e67df40$0301a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Antioch College's decline is a complex mixture of the overall decline in the "small liberal arts college" market and the number of boomers going to college, the decreased financial support for colleges by the Nixon and subsequent administrations, changing educational priorities of students and their parents, the strike, bad press, bad management-resulting in the massive physical decline of the college, and other problems. Guskin patched a viable university system together-for awhile. As long anyway, as the BOT respected his vision of the importance of the college in the university system. Not that it was paramount or first among equals but that it should be subsidized when necessary. This vision has obviously been at the least very heavily diluted by the current AU administration. And of course there was the "Renewal Plan." A lot of colleges and universities have established "learning communities" in recent years. In large research universities residential learning communities attempt to replicate the ethos of a liberal arts college with varying success. When learning communities are established in liberal arts colleges it is usually to restore or make liberal arts education more viable when that education is vulnerable. This was the case at Antioch-the idea being to attract more students, increase the retention rate, and stabilize or cut costs through team teaching interdisciplinary "courses" with higher student-faculty ratios. The question is why was it such a massive failure when it has worked well elsewhere? Perhaps the students at Antioch are more rebellious than at other colleges? Do you think? Mark P. '71 -----Original Message---- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of t Sanford Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:22 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu; Organizers@antiochians.org Subject: [Alumni-chat] FW: questioning basic principles? jim, i will do the research tomorrow but i have this bug in my brain that says there are at least ten slarc's with less than 1000 students. At the 1000 student level and above we need only look at my home town favorite Reed. Reed has approximately 1200 students (a number that has been in decline for several years) a students "pay" a mere 60% of what the education would actually cost and this is a student body whose parents have substantial assets on the whole (in my short time there my housemates included the blacksheep son of a major food conglomerate, an ambassador's son and the son of a member of the US Senate whose family had more than one senator in their line. I briefly dated (but alas did not capture the heart of) a mail order marketing heiress). The tuition at Harvard, though very high, does not cover the actual cost of educating the undergraduate student body, again, it is the wealth of the endowment, not enrollment that ends up making a college selective. My comment about the simplistic nature of your question is that this board and this alumni body have gone around and around for nine months on the issue. We believe, still that no other institution offers what Antioch does even in its enfeebeled state. That it can recover is bourne out by the numbers of information requests admissions get every year. The problem has been conversion. Our facilities are perhaps the worst in higher ed (short of the University of DC) but we still have 300 students who are willing to pony up every last asset their parents posses to meet our shcokingly jogh tuition! That means the market exists but only the diehards are coming. If we can move to a place where capital improvements does not equal deferred maintainece our numbers would go up. If you think this is a question of the chicken or the egg, I would suggest that it can not be shown that the definitive downturn in Antioch's financial position was tied to declining standards of enrollment or graduation but rather in the general down turn in the US economy circa 1974 and the stock market crash of 2001. Also, as I posted long ago, Antioch's decline in enrollement has been less than the decline in the college age population so it is not a question of a shrinking demographic. travis No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1346 - Release Date: 3/27/2008 10:03 AM From pas0705 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 08:06:57 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Wed Apr 2 08:06:59 2008 Subject: [Organizers] [Alumni-chat] FW: questioning basic principles? In-Reply-To: <00a901c89494$4e67df40$0301a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: <160079.22244.qm@web63907.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- Mark Pomerantz wrote: > The question is why was it such a massive failure when it has worked well > elsewhere? After a bull leaves a china shop, do you sit around and wonder if he didn't like the flower pattern? The failure of the plan was that it put the college in five years of board-mandated deficit, relied on board fundraising to cover that deficit and the improvements the plan called for, which the board did not do; and it failed because it was developed in secret and killed the college's ability to market itself, which killed almost two full recruitment cycles. AND it was implemented following the abandonment of all the components of the college's strategic plan that made students happier and want to stay more. All of these changes were mandated by succesive chancellors and trustees who- A- didn't have a clue on how residential liberal arts colleges operate, particularly in regards to recruitment, and B- didn't have a clue on what attracted students to Antioch College and why they stayed. -l ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From dlbahr at hotmail.com Wed Apr 2 08:28:16 2008 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Wed Apr 2 08:28:18 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Are things going to court? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am also wondering about this. Wasn't the first hearing in Greene Co. court this week? Lesley> From: Willkops@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:11:00 -0400> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: [Alumni-chat] Are things going to court?> > If the AUBOT doesn't want to talk with the AC3 and doesn't want to do the > 10/10 plan, then will things go to court? > > What is happening with the faculty court case and are alumni involved with > it?> > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)> _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653A From Willkops at aol.com Wed Apr 2 09:09:09 2008 From: Willkops at aol.com (Willkops@aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 2 09:09:10 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni-chat] Are things going to court? Message-ID: It didn't go to court this week. and also the judge decided the accc cant testify which ruins the faculties case. you can look at the faculty website for updates. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From Bwpurplewins at cs.com Wed Apr 2 09:43:20 2008 From: Bwpurplewins at cs.com (Bwpurplewins@cs.com) Date: Wed Apr 2 09:43:39 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] [Communications] Pension Funds Message-ID: I rearely correct Bob, but the university does have one angel, and I think that person is paying the university's legal fees. Just think what could have happened had the university board and leadership had called a meeting in Fall 06 when it knew the depth of the crisis, explained everything to all our angels,and asked them to work with them as well as the faculty and alumni to save the college and the university. Now this board is determined to kill the college, ruin people's lives, and in my opinion jeapordize the university. And for what? Sigh. Barbara Winslow Antioch college '68 AUBoT 1995-2007 Alumni Board 2007 - ACCC From Willkops at aol.com Wed Apr 2 09:48:02 2008 From: Willkops at aol.com (Willkops@aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 2 09:48:05 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Reasons why i left antioch Message-ID: I figure it would probably help people to know why i left antioch so as to understand why so much retention has take place. If i had stayed i would have been graduating with this years class. I plan on going back to the school if they stay open and i have been following the situation intently trying to figure out whats going to happen. But i illistrate here a few points about why antioch has had the difficulties it has had, and it might be helpful i thought for people to know them. 1. The biggest reason why I left Antioch was that the Universities bad pr campaign against the college had everyone at the college thinking that their education wasn't adequate. Because I was a first year I had not been to another school so I had nothing to compare Antioch to. Thus I left primarily because I was led to believe it was bad for my education to be at Antioch. I know today that this was false. In fact, after being at two other schools I can honestly say that my education at Antioch was far supperirior to most othe schools. 2. Another reason why I left and why many people leave the school is that it is in a constant state of closing. Its very difficult and unnerving to go to an institution where your credits wont transfer if you have to leave and its on the brink of closing all the time. So if it does stay open something will have to be done about restoring Antioch's name as far as accreditation goes. Those are the two biggest reasons why I left and I think they are important for people to grasp. This is why people have been leaving Antioch or at least in part, and its what needs to change if the place stays open. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From travissanford at msn.com Wed Apr 2 10:05:08 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Wed Apr 2 10:05:11 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] 1 in 274 college leaders satisfied by Trustees performance. Message-ID: I do not have a subscription but the teaser alone says something about the state of Trustees: they have taken on the role of a Board of Directors and seek to cut the educational model to keep institutions afloat rather than fulfill their duty to raise some money. http://chronicle.com/daily/2008/04/2336n.htm?utm_source=at&utm_medium=en _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653A From jdavid at coldren.net Wed Apr 2 10:29:53 2008 From: jdavid at coldren.net (J. David Coldren) Date: Wed Apr 2 10:31:42 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] does Toni speak truth? In-Reply-To: <284371.89909.qm@web63910.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <06b901c89456$798affb0$6ca0ff10$@net> <284371.89909.qm@web63910.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <078101c894ce$36e2b4a0$a4a81de0$@net> The first part of my message asked: ================================= Do you have at hand the 'subsidized' cost per student as a percent of FTE at Antioch over the past three or four years vs. our 'sister' schools such as Oberlin, Reed, Bennington, Goddard, etc.? ================================= If you don't I understand, although I would have thought such an analysis would have been part of the massive research that has been undertaken to understand Antioch's financial situation. I am not adverse to an affordable level of scholarships. And for that we need larger endowment. No question about it. On the other hand, Antioch has always --in my experience -- been worth much more than the tuition. When students had co-op jobs that paid actual salaries in public and private enterprises, the experience was usually terrific but the added income helped offset some of the tuition, board, and room costs. The CG experience ought to be worth far more than whatever a student pays in CG fees. The close collaboration with the Yellow Springs community--in the performing arts programs in particular--gave students far more opportunities for growth and artistic experiences than could ever obtain in a more traditional closed campus liberal arts college. In summary, the Antioch Adventure, properly executed by trustees, administrators, faculty, staff, and students, is far greater than the sum of each part's cost. So the underlying question is: Does the current balance of subsidized tuition vs. fully- or substantially-paid tuitions make for a sustainable financial future for the College. J. David Coldren '65 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Laura Fathauer Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:28 PM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] does Toni speak truth? --- "J. David Coldren" wrote: > That might help answer one of Jim Jaffe's questions. We already know about > our pitiable endowment and successive failures to increase it. One question > might legitimately be raised: what has been the strategy in the last decade, > say, to reduce the average subsidized cost per student by tailoring a > program that attracts students who can afford to pay FTE or close to it or? J. David- So, you propose the way to viability is to run a tuition revenue driven liberal arts college? One that doesn't offer financial aid to its students? To compete in a market with other colleges that -can- offer to the student more then what they're paying for, because they're able to 'add value' to their education through the other revenue sources available? I prefer the much more relevent question of: what have been the efforts and successes of the chancellors and the board of this non-profit to strengthen the other revenue sources that liberal arts colleges rely upon. Your answer can be found in the board resolution of June 9th, 2007. -laura ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From marnoldtk at yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 10:53:11 2008 From: marnoldtk at yahoo.com (Matthew Arnold) Date: Wed Apr 2 10:53:13 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] does Toni speak truth? Message-ID: <483910.29586.qm@web53408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> David, that's like asking if the current balance of wormy cornmeal and powdered milk is adequate to address the nutritional needs of famine victims. I mean, yeah, the College needs more FTEs, but fundamentally, the College has, in recent years, needed more students -- subsidized or not -- as new enrollments have slumped due to an ill-considered cirriculum redesign foisted on the College by the University and to a lack of funding sufficient for robust admissions/recruitment/retention and alumni development efforts. And due to the lack of an endowment, the College is almost wholly dependent on tuition and donations. Going forward, if the short term crisis abated and either an autonomous, accredited college or a non-hostile U. board were secured, the College would have a very tough and long uphill path to stability and sustainability, which would mean, yes, more FTEs and a decent-sized endowment. We'd be talking decades to get there. Wouldn't be fully realized by the time my (almost doubtless heavily subsidized) toddler attended. But the medium-term struggle would be to attract a substantial student body of strong prospects for diplomas -- in other words, to attract enough natural-born Antiochians (900?) that tuition could pay most operating expenses so that some of funds raised from gifts and donations could go to building a strong endowment and repairing the physical plant. Then we could worry about getting the rich kids to come. ----- Original Message ---- From: J. David Coldren To: Alumni Chat List Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 10:29:53 AM Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] does Toni speak truth? The first part of my message asked: ================================= Do you have at hand the 'subsidized' cost per student as a percent of FTE at Antioch over the past three or four years vs. our 'sister' schools such as Oberlin, Reed, Bennington, Goddard, etc.? ================================= If you don't I understand, although I would have thought such an analysis would have been part of the massive research that has been undertaken to understand Antioch's financial situation. I am not adverse to an affordable level of scholarships. And for that we need larger endowment. No question about it. On the other hand, Antioch has always --in my experience -- been worth much more than the tuition. When students had co-op jobs that paid actual salaries in public and private enterprises, the experience was usually terrific but the added income helped offset some of the tuition, board, and room costs. The CG experience ought to be worth far more than whatever a student pays in CG fees. The close collaboration with the Yellow Springs community--in the performing arts programs in particular--gave students far more opportunities for growth and artistic experiences than could ever obtain in a more traditional closed campus liberal arts college. In summary, the Antioch Adventure, properly executed by trustees, administrators, faculty, staff, and students, is far greater than the sum of each part's cost. So the underlying question is: Does the current balance of subsidized tuition vs. fully- or substantially-paid tuitions make for a sustainable financial future for the College. J. David Coldren '65 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Laura Fathauer Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:28 PM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] does Toni speak truth? --- "J. David Coldren" wrote: > That might help answer one of Jim Jaffe's questions. We already know about > our pitiable endowment and successive failures to increase it. One question > might legitimately be raised: what has been the strategy in the last decade, > say, to reduce the average subsidized cost per student by tailoring a > program that attracts students who can afford to pay FTE or close to it or? J. David- So, you propose the way to viability is to run a tuition revenue driven liberal arts college? One that doesn't offer financial aid to its students? To compete in a market with other colleges that -can- offer to the student more then what they're paying for, because they're able to 'add value' to their education through the other revenue sources available? I prefer the much more relevent question of: what have been the efforts and successes of the chancellors and the board of this non-profit to strengthen the other revenue sources that liberal arts colleges rely upon. Your answer can be found in the board resolution of June 9th, 2007. -laura ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From matt at baya.net Wed Apr 2 10:53:56 2008 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Wed Apr 2 10:54:01 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] A new direction for Antioch CollegeandAntiochUniversity In-Reply-To: References: <006401c8946c$e4d91570$4301a8c0@GRENELL> Message-ID: On Apr 1, 2008, at 11:07 PM, t Sanford wrote: > No, the President of the alumni board is not a voting member. They > serve ex-officio and as the voice of the "alumni" but do not have a > vote. University bylaws from 2006 actually say that Nancy does have a vote: 2.2.3 The President of the Antioch College Alumni Association (ACAA) shall be a voting, ex-offic io member of the Board of Trustees; unless such President is an employee of the Corporation, in which case, said position shall be filled by majority vote of the ACAA Board of Directors. Not sure if these are the most recent bylaws. Anyone have anything newer than the 6/3/2006 version we had a copy of as of last summer? http://wiki.antiochians.org/images/3/36/Bylaws2006.pdf -Matt From travissanford at msn.com Wed Apr 2 12:52:38 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Wed Apr 2 12:52:41 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni-chat] Are things going to court? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually AC3 testimony, or not, the case still has merit the standard is not that there was one particular less drastic measure to closing, but rather that their exist less drastic measures which the U did not consider e.g. liquidate the endowment, borrow against the endowment, ask the faculty for a voluntary reduction in retirement matches, etc, etc, or even just consult with them. The AC3 testimony would be useful in that they do have a viable plan and they know more about the U's finances than anyone outside of the U having been given access to most of the books. t > From: Willkops@aol.com > Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:09:09 -0400 > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni-chat] Are things going to court? > > It didn't go to court this week. and also the judge decided the accc cant > testify which ruins the faculties case. you can look at the faculty website > for updates. > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 From travissanford at msn.com Wed Apr 2 13:28:12 2008 From: travissanford at msn.com (t Sanford) Date: Wed Apr 2 13:28:15 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] does Toni speak truth? In-Reply-To: <078101c894ce$36e2b4a0$a4a81de0$@net> References: <06b901c89456$798affb0$6ca0ff10$@net> <284371.89909.qm@web63910.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <078101c894ce$36e2b4a0$a4a81de0$@net> Message-ID: Respectfully David, "So the underlying question is: Does the current balance of subsidized > tuition vs. fully- or substantially-paid tuitions make for a sustainable > financial future for the College." Is not the question. The question is does the college have from its total revenue streams enough money to cover costs and provide a decent education. The answer today is no. This is because AEA was taken from the college, McGregor was taken from the college, the college is not allowed to compete in the continuing education field, the endowment has been pathetically managed and the giving for an endowment abysmal, and accounting practices at the U contrived to keep the college in permanent deficit right at the time that the break even point on enrollment was being reached. It does not matter where the revenue comes from. This is not and should not be considered a fee for service model, that may work for non-residential low infrastructure requiring degrees but not for the liberal arts. I think I mentioned this before, Harvard could essentially stop charging tuition at all and it would still succeed because its endowment growth on a yearly basis is so great that the tuition revenue stream is all but inconsequential. Indeed a number of (hee hee) well endowed Ivy's and Stanford have begun to consider reducing their cost given how outrageous the growth of tuition has been compared to overall growth in the economy. > From: jdavid@coldren.net > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] does Toni speak truth? > Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:29:53 -0500 > > The first part of my message asked: > > ================================= > Do you have at hand the 'subsidized' cost per student as a percent of FTE at > Antioch over the past three or four years vs. our 'sister' schools such as > Oberlin, Reed, Bennington, Goddard, etc.? > ================================= > > If you don't I understand, although I would have thought such an analysis > would have been part of the massive research that has been undertaken to > understand Antioch's financial situation. > > I am not adverse to an affordable level of scholarships. And for that we > need larger endowment. No question about it. On the other hand, Antioch has > always --in my experience -- been worth much more than the tuition. When > students had co-op jobs that paid actual salaries in public and private > enterprises, the experience was usually terrific but the added income helped > offset some of the tuition, board, and room costs. The CG experience ought > to be worth far more than whatever a student pays in CG fees. The close > collaboration with the Yellow Springs community--in the performing arts > programs in particular--gave students far more opportunities for growth and > artistic experiences than could ever obtain in a more traditional closed > campus liberal arts college. In summary, the Antioch Adventure, properly > executed by trustees, administrators, faculty, staff, and students, is far > greater than the sum of each part's cost. > > So the underlying question is: Does the current balance of subsidized > tuition vs. fully- or substantially-paid tuitions make for a sustainable > financial future for the College. > > > J. David Coldren '65 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Laura Fathauer > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:28 PM > To: Alumni Chat List > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] does Toni speak truth? > > > --- "J. David Coldren" wrote: > > > That might help answer one of Jim Jaffe's questions. We already know about > > our pitiable endowment and successive failures to increase it. One > question > > might legitimately be raised: what has been the strategy in the last > decade, > > say, to reduce the average subsidized cost per student by tailoring a > > program that attracts students who can afford to pay FTE or close to it > or? > > J. David- > > So, you propose the way to viability is to run a tuition revenue driven > liberal > arts college? One that doesn't offer financial aid to its students? To > compete > in a market with other colleges that -can- offer to the student more then > what > they're paying for, because they're able to 'add value' to their education > through the other revenue sources available? > > I prefer the much more relevent question of: what have been the efforts and > successes of the chancellors and the board of this non-profit to strengthen > the > other revenue sources that liberal arts colleges rely upon. > > Your answer can be found in the board resolution of June 9th, 2007. > > -laura > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 From pas0705 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 14:42:43 2008 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Wed Apr 2 14:42:46 2008 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Open letter to