From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Mon Oct 1 12:16:46 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Caeli93 (caelimg@yahoo.com)) Date: Mon Oct 1 12:17:46 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Cincinnati Chapter Meeting SUNDAY October 7th in Clifton Message-ID: <10c9b143e824159dbfa2ce33c5e9a23c@antiochians.org> I will post Details when I get home. I forgot to post this here earlier. We have sent out postcards but only have gotten 3 or 4 responses. If you live in the vicinity and would like to attend you can email me for more details. We were going to have possible reports from the College. The agenda is still to be determined. But we probably will also discuss further fundraising efforts we can do locally etc. Contact either me or Bud Haupt for more details... sorry this is kind of a quick heads up post.. Thanks Namaste Caeli93 From jdwood5000 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 1 23:02:17 2007 From: jdwood5000 at yahoo.com (j.d.wood) Date: Mon Oct 1 23:03:27 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] 9/28 NYC chapter minutes Message-ID: <696616.52367.qm@web30111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Please visit and register at www.antiochians.org to contribute and read these meeting minutes filed under: FORUMS > NEW YORK NYC Chapter of the Antioch College Community 9/28/07 meeting minutes --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. From dlbahr at hotmail.com Tue Oct 2 06:20:04 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Tue Oct 2 06:21:07 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Sacred Sea" Message-ID: Dearest Chatters: I know we are all busy people with plenty of reading material, but I recently started a book "Sacred Sea: A Journey to Lake Baikal" by Peter Thomson. A few from the early eighties might remember Peter--he did not stay among us long--but I think long enough to have earned the label Antiochian. (if not an excellent actor and pretty good dancer.) This is Peter's first book, and it is proving to be a gem. My husband has been reading it to me as we make our long drive south from Minnesota to Ohio (looking forward to October 5 birthday parties). We are both dazzled and humbled by the story being told. It has made the monotony of a midwest road trip pale in comparison to Siberia and her precious Lake. A few years ago, I learned that despite its large surface, Lake Superior was not the largest fresh water lake in the world. The title belongs to Lake Baikal in Siberia. "Sacred Sea" is the story of this Lake and Peter's Odyssey to get there. In Minnesota we understand about Lakes although it is easy to take them forgranted. Only Mr. Thomson, could travel so far to bring us the depth of what a Lake might mean. Peter makes no artistic claims--his training is as a environmental journalist--but I experience his writing as an artistic accomplishment. My husband who is environmentally inclined and a science geek/reader from way back feels it is some of the best writing he has encountered. He said "It may be some of the best writing currently being produced." At any rate, it is a good read and I was glad to learn what Peter has been up to in recent years. Glad to know a few of us are making it to exotic and out of the way places. Lake Baikal now has an overlay with Antioch and I think there just might be a lesson for our precious jewel of a campus in all the layers. Character and Place? Sustainability? Survival in harsh circumstances. "Sacred Sea" is a Victory for Humanity as its subject is a victory for nature. Antioch certainly has another favorite son. All the Best, Lesley A. Pownall Bahr _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From duffy at antioch-college.edu Tue Oct 2 09:43:16 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Tue Oct 2 09:45:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Sacred Sea" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey there Lesley...... am glad you are coming to visit. and hope you enjoy yourself... Friday...Oct 5th .... .is going to be great Birthday bash weather for the 155th time Founder"s Day .... Some years Founder's day goes by unnoticed.......ah how we have forgotten to celebrate ourselves. We have been so unkind and forgiving to ourselves for too many years. I have always felt that we were like someone looking in the mirror and always seeing flaws when when we were pretty good-looking all along. Antiochorexia.!!!!!!! we never think we are good enough. Too much critical thinking!! CG and the Towngroup are planning a forum, a parade, a festival, cake and an evening cabaret. The weather promises to be mostly sunny and in the mid eighties...well above normal..... C'mon home and enjoy the college and YS...... Next week we may finally have some chillier weather...but first a few minutes of global warning.. which is also just in time for the Peak Oil Conference which will be coming to the College ... lots of company coming..Peak Oil, BOT and the Alumni Board.... who needs football? Your old friend Duffy '77 and alums. students and colorful townsfolk From duffy at antioch-college.edu Tue Oct 2 11:26:56 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:28:59 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:39:53 AM Announcements From: Nancy Wilburn Subject: Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon To: Announcements Coll Faculty College Staff emeriti faculty list Cc: Andrzej Bloch Dear Community Members, As you may know, there will be a meeting held in Denver tomorrow, Wednesday, October 3, which will include representatives from the Antioch University Board of Trustees as well as representatives from the Antioch College Alumni Board. Andrzej will also be a participant in the meeting. This purpose of the meeting is to have a collaborative discussion and to provide feedback and advice on the first draft of the Alumni Board's proposed plan for the College. Andrzej will return to campus on Thursday and requested that I schedule a Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon in order for him to inform the College Community of the outcomes of the Denver meeting. The Community meeting will be held at 3:00 pm on Thursday, October 4, in McGregor 113. Please plan to attend. Thanks so much. Nancy Nancy Wilburn Executive Assistant Office of the President Antioch College Yellow Spring, OH 45387 Tel: (937) 769-1260 Fax: (937) 769-1288 From juju70 at msn.com Tue Oct 2 12:28:31 2007 From: juju70 at msn.com (Judith Wolert-Maldonado) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:29:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] For Immediate Release: Antioch College Founder's Day Events Message-ID: Contacts: Chelsea Martens Community Manager Antioch College (937) 769-1050 cmartens@antioch-college.edu Judith Wolert-Maldonado Antioch College alumna (937) 767-0118 juju70@msn.com FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 2, 2007 - Yellow Springs, Ohio - The Antioch College community of students, faculty, staff and alumni, are collaborating with the residents of Yellow Springs and the greater Miami Valley area to celebrate the college's Founder's Day on Friday, October 5, 2007. Horace Mann, a Massachusets-born abolitionist and education reformer, was the college's first president from 1853 until his death in 1859. Mann's quote and college motto "Be Ashamed to Die Until You Have Won Some Victory for Humanity." continues to be recited by graduates at the end of each Antioch College commencement ceremony. The Antioch College community invites all Yellow Springs and Miami Valley residents to participate in the Founder's Day events, and to march alongside one another in a 4 PM parade to celebrate Antioch College. Final parade preparation, including sign-making, will take place at the next meeting of the Yellow Springs Ad-Hoc Group to Keep Antioch College Open. The entire community is invited to the meeting, which is on Thursday, October 4, at 7 PM, at the Coretta Scott King Center on the Antioch College Campus. Founder's day events include: 12:00 PM to 1:00 PM - James M. Malarkey, Ph.D, Professor of Humanities at Antioch University McGregor will give a talk on the history and impact of Antioch College. The presentation will take place in the Antioch Inn (next to the Antioch College cafeteria). 1:00 PM to 3:00 PM - Bring your own t-shirt to silk-screen in a silk-screening workshop at the Silk Screen Room in Pennell House (Antioch College campus). 4:00 PM - Line up at the steps of the Antioch College Student Union building for the Founder's Day Parade. 4:15 PM - The parade starts from the Student Union steps and continues to cross Livermore Street, march down Xenia Avenue, turn onto Corry Street to return to the Student Union steps. 5:00 PM to 7:00 PM - A community dinner, a carnival, a speech by "Horace Mann", a giant birthday cake and karaoke singing will take place at the steps of the Student Union. (Carnival events will take place in the the Antioch College Gym in the case of rain.) 8:00 PM - Cabaret Horace, a traditional Antioch College event in which community members perform songs, skits and display other theatrical talents, will take place at the Antioch College Theater Building. ### From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Tue Oct 2 14:41:19 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Travis Sanford (travissanford@msn.com)) Date: Tue Oct 2 14:42:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5a5c52e2179f521372a6cac465a1205a@www.antiochians.org> >----- Original Message ----- > >Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:39:53 AM >Announcements >From: Nancy Wilburn >Subject: Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon >To: Announcements >Coll Faculty >College Staff >emeriti >faculty list >Cc: Andrzej Bloch > >Dear Community Members, > >As you may know, there will be a meeting held in Denver tomorrow, >Wednesday, October 3, which will include representatives from the Antioch >University Board of Trustees as well as representatives from the Antioch >College Alumni Board. Andrzej will also be a participant in the meeting. >This purpose of the meeting is to have a collaborative discussion and to >provide feedback and advice on the first draft of the Alumni Board's >proposed plan for the College. > >Andrzej will return to campus on Thursday and requested that I schedule a >Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon in order for him to inform the >College Community of the outcomes of the Denver meeting. The Community >meeting will be held at 3:00 pm on Thursday, October 4, in McGregor 113. >Please plan to attend. > >Thanks so much. > >Nancy > >Nancy Wilburn >Executive Assistant >Office of the President >Antioch College >Yellow Spring, OH 45387 >Tel: (937) 769-1260 >Fax: (937) 769-1288 Is there any way that we can arrange a feed or just and upload of the audio, if not the video, of the community meeting? From jonny.no at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 15:13:44 2007 From: jonny.no at gmail.com (Jonny) Date: Tue Oct 2 15:14:57 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: <5a5c52e2179f521372a6cac465a1205a@www.antiochians.org> References: <5a5c52e2179f521372a6cac465a1205a@www.antiochians.org> Message-ID: <1b1896cc0710021213h217b76b8y692aa54f72ad5ad2@mail.gmail.com> forwarding to communications-web as we speak. short answer is 'i see no reason why not', but will have to confirm that. From duffy at antioch-college.edu Tue Oct 2 15:15:22 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Tue Oct 2 15:16:52 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: <5a5c52e2179f521372a6cac465a1205a@www.antiochians.org> References: <5a5c52e2179f521372a6cac465a1205a@www.antiochians.org> Message-ID: Hey Travis..Most Ordinary or semi-ordinary meetings are not taped. Corri Frohlich..one of the CMs has been known to take wonderful detailed notes. You might ask her to do that. cfrohlich@antioch-college.edu or contact cg@antioch-college.edu or the other two CMs Chelsea martens cmartens@antioch-college.edu or Rory Adams-Cheatham vadams-cheatham@antioch-college.edu. Duffy From matt at baya.net Tue Oct 2 15:20:08 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Tue Oct 2 15:18:15 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: <1b1896cc0710021213h217b76b8y692aa54f72ad5ad2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5a5c52e2179f521372a6cac465a1205a@www.antiochians.org> <1b1896cc0710021213h217b76b8y692aa54f72ad5ad2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83671B95-75A8-41E3-9ED3-2866C089A2F0@baya.net> THe antiochians.org server has it's audio streaming relay still active from the August meeting and McGregor 113 has open wireless, so all it would take to stream this would be for someone with a properly equipped computer & mic to attend the meeting. Are you volunteering Jonny? If not if anyone with a portable mac can attend I can help them get setup. If someone has a pc I can give you the server relay settings but I dont know what software is available on the PC and how to configure it. -Matt From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Tue Oct 2 17:40:11 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (dude (dudevoyeur@gmail.com)) Date: Tue Oct 2 17:41:04 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does anybody know if the alumni get to see the first draft of the Alumni Board's proposed plan? I bet many of us would like to see it. Thanks. Deb '83 >----- Original Message ----- > >Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:39:53 AM >Announcements >From: Nancy Wilburn >Subject: Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon >To: Announcements >Coll Faculty >College Staff >emeriti >faculty list >Cc: Andrzej Bloch > >Dear Community Members, > >As you may know, there will be a meeting held in Denver tomorrow, >Wednesday, October 3, which will include representatives from the Antioch >University Board of Trustees as well as representatives from the Antioch >College Alumni Board. Andrzej will also be a participant in the meeting. >This purpose of the meeting is to have a collaborative discussion and to >provide feedback and advice on the first draft of the Alumni Board's >proposed plan for the College. > >Andrzej will return to campus on Thursday and requested that I schedule a >Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon in order for him to inform the >College Community of the outcomes of the Denver meeting. The Community >meeting will be held at 3:00 pm on Thursday, October 4, in McGregor 113. >Please plan to attend. > >Thanks so much. > >Nancy > >Nancy Wilburn >Executive Assistant >Office of the President >Antioch College >Yellow Spring, OH 45387 >Tel: (937) 769-1260 >Fax: (937) 769-1288 From jonny.no at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 19:40:20 2007 From: jonny.no at gmail.com (Jonny) Date: Tue Oct 2 19:41:27 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: <83671B95-75A8-41E3-9ED3-2866C089A2F0@baya.net> References: <5a5c52e2179f521372a6cac465a1205a@www.antiochians.org> <1b1896cc0710021213h217b76b8y692aa54f72ad5ad2@mail.gmail.com> <83671B95-75A8-41E3-9ED3-2866C089A2F0@baya.net> Message-ID: <1b1896cc0710021640n12083a38pb17538e283342004@mail.gmail.com> Hey matt - I'd be more then happy to, but have no laptop and no mic either. I'll check with CG to see if someone has one they could lend out for such a purpose - hopefully a powerbook, configuring sources for streams via windows i've not done but wouldn't wish it on my enemies. linux is easy but can't see us finding a linux powered laptop on short notice, so it's pretty much find a powerbook or bust. For the mic, we may be able to get a com facility mic, would have to get anne b. or chris h. and carole b.'s approval, or we could find a student that has a com facility mic currently checked out and have them bring it with them. I think rory is in video so she'd be able to find out what's checked in or out. I can probly be on campus tommorrow if needed to configure a stream source and test to confirm the relay works if we can score a mic and a laptop. forwarding to rory, chelsea in CG and carole braun, chris hill. On 10/2/07, Matthew Baya wrote: > THe antiochians.org server has it's audio streaming relay still > active from the August meeting and McGregor 113 has open wireless, so > all it would take to stream this would be for someone with a properly > equipped computer & mic to attend the meeting. > > Are you volunteering Jonny? > > If not if anyone with a portable mac can attend I can help them get > setup. If someone has a pc I can give you the server relay settings > but I dont know what software is available on the PC and how to > configure it. > > -Matt > -- Jonny Estes NEW TEL#: 6147980914 (till 10pm) AIM: sixy777 !=marketing Open source e-marketing | Data & web solutions e: jonny.no@gmail.com From pas0705 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 3 09:06:24 2007 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Wed Oct 3 09:07:34 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Q&A with new president of Oberlin Message-ID: <794888.58214.qm@web63914.mail.re1.yahoo.com> http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18868894&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=46371&rfi=6 Mentions Antioch College once: Q: Do you think there's any one issue or initiative that will be the first thing you'll deal with as the Oberlin College president? A: There are many issues that I could name, but a few come to mind. The first is, there's always a question about student need, everything from dorm rooms to financial aid. We're going to be looking at things in the environmental realm. The idea of creating a vibrant, artistic culture, which we already have, but we're going to make it more so, with things like trying to revitalize the art museum. One thing that I think about every day is, are we financially sustainable? Even though we are very different, the events at Antioch College reinforce the notion that institutions need to be nurtured, and nurtured financially. That's something we've always looked at. There are a lot of different needs we have right now, and right now a lot of the costs are increasing and are not within our control. I think Oberlin is in a very solid position. It's been well-managed for the past decade or so. But we want to make sure we're on the right path. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Oct 3 09:51:54 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Oct 3 09:53:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Miz Deb Goodgirl...... we are all waiting and hoping for the best. The alum board has contracted with a turnaround expert to help write this plan...Tracy Filosa...who helped turn Northeastern around. I have said my prayers....that it will be good and understood....and pass all musters... and will follow it up with some deeds... y'know faith without works is dead, eh? We are gonna celebrate the institution's berfday Friday..with forums, a parade, community dinner with karoake, a giant Horace Mann puppet...a fair, prizes, a giant cake and then a cabaret. Jimmy Rose will come outta retirement mjode to become Horace Mann, himself...... and will have mid to upper eighties weather......good outdoor event weather. Gotta go Duffy From marklp2 at comcast.net Wed Oct 3 13:17:06 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Wed Oct 3 13:18:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005a01c805e1$39fafe30$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Duffy, How did the consultant turn Northeastern around? ........................................................................ The alum board has contracted with a turnaround expert to help write this plan...Tracy Filosa...who helped turn Northeastern around. Gotta go Duffy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 6:43 PM From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Oct 3 14:10:51 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Oct 3 14:12:27 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: <005a01c805e1$39fafe30$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> References: <, > <,> <005a01c805e1$39fafe30$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: Hey there Senor Mark Pomerantz.....saw the weather report this Am and saw that Seattle is already in the drear season...52 and raining...here in YS it will be in the eighties through Monday..... that works for me... don't know exactly what Filosa did but a quick google brings her up alot. I am hoping that good things are happening in Denver this very moment. So much potential....especially now...when folks are finally awake and able to realize what is at stake. Hope the news comes back good. and hope the business plan is sound...and also hope money is pouring in every moment. and hope there is hope. We will see......and don't give up on your ideas either....sooner or later those seeds will land in a fertlle place. i.e. in the Antioch hemisphere Duffy '77 From timothynoble at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 19:02:14 2007 From: timothynoble at gmail.com (Tim Noble) Date: Wed Oct 3 19:03:28 2007 Subject: [Communications-Web] [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: References: <5a5c52e2179f521372a6cac465a1205a@www.antiochians.org> <1b1896cc0710021213h217b76b8y692aa54f72ad5ad2@mail.gmail.com> <83671B95-75A8-41E3-9ED3-2866C089A2F0@baya.net> <1b1896cc0710021640n12083a38pb17538e283342004@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: whomever decides that they're going to stream it, please email me ASAP and i'll send you license info for nicecast. Nicecast is the very easy program for macs that enables this streaming stuff. it's a free download, but only works for 20 minutes without a license. i'll send you all the info, whoever you are that wants it.... but, it'd sure be great to be able to NOT send it to an antioch-college.edu account, so please let me know... thanks tim On 10/3/07, Carole Braun wrote: > Dear everyone, > There is a mac laptop in the back of McGregor 113, and Sandy has a shotgun > mic that she might lend you. Or I think I can but must check with faculty > first. > Carole > Jonny on Tuesday, October 2, 2007 at 7:40 PM -0500 > wrote: > >Hey matt - I'd be more then happy to, but have no laptop and no mic > >either. I'll check with CG to see if someone has one they could lend > >out for such a purpose - hopefully a powerbook, configuring sources > >for streams via windows i've not done but wouldn't wish it on my > >enemies. linux is easy but can't see us finding a linux powered laptop > >on short notice, so it's pretty much find a powerbook or bust. > > > >For the mic, we may be able to get a com facility mic, would have to > >get anne b. or chris h. and carole b.'s approval, or we could find a > >student that has a com facility mic currently checked out and have > >them bring it with them. I think rory is in video so she'd be able to > >find out what's checked in or out. > > > >I can probly be on campus tommorrow if needed to configure a stream > >source and test to confirm the relay works if we can score a mic and a > >laptop. forwarding to rory, chelsea in CG and carole braun, chris > >hill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On 10/2/07, Matthew Baya wrote: > >> THe antiochians.org server has it's audio streaming relay still > >> active from the August meeting and McGregor 113 has open wireless, so > >> all it would take to stream this would be for someone with a properly > >> equipped computer & mic to attend the meeting. > >> > >> Are you volunteering Jonny? > >> > >> If not if anyone with a portable mac can attend I can help them get > >> setup. If someone has a pc I can give you the server relay settings > >> but I dont know what software is available on the PC and how to > >> configure it. > >> > >> -Matt > >> > > > > > >-- > >Jonny Estes > >NEW TEL#: 6147980914 (till 10pm) > >AIM: sixy777 > >!=marketing > >Open source e-marketing | Data & web solutions > >e: jonny.no@gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Communications-web mailing list > Communications-web@antiochians.org > http://antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/communications-web_antiochians.org > From jonny.no at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 19:09:02 2007 From: jonny.no at gmail.com (Jonny) Date: Wed Oct 3 19:10:19 2007 Subject: [Communications-Web] [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: References: <5a5c52e2179f521372a6cac465a1205a@www.antiochians.org> <1b1896cc0710021213h217b76b8y692aa54f72ad5ad2@mail.gmail.com> <83671B95-75A8-41E3-9ED3-2866C089A2F0@baya.net> <1b1896cc0710021640n12083a38pb17538e283342004@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1b1896cc0710031609x38c47819lbd3dd0c5754ef58a@mail.gmail.com> that would be me i guess. i'll be on campus 8:30 or 9am, send me the info @ jonny.no@gmail.com On 10/3/07, Tim Noble wrote: > > whomever decides that they're going to stream it, please email me ASAP > and i'll send you license info for nicecast. Nicecast is the very > easy program for macs that enables this streaming stuff. it's a free > download, but only works for 20 minutes without a license. i'll send > you all the info, whoever you are that wants it.... but, it'd sure be > great to be able to NOT send it to an antioch-college.edu account, so > please let me know... thanks > tim > > On 10/3/07, Carole Braun wrote: > > Dear everyone, > > There is a mac laptop in the back of McGregor 113, and Sandy has a > shotgun > > mic that she might lend you. Or I think I can but must check with > faculty > > first. > > Carole > > Jonny on Tuesday, October 2, 2007 at 7:40 PM -0500 > > wrote: > > >Hey matt - I'd be more then happy to, but have no laptop and no mic > > >either. I'll check with CG to see if someone has one they could lend > > >out for such a purpose - hopefully a powerbook, configuring sources > > >for streams via windows i've not done but wouldn't wish it on my > > >enemies. linux is easy but can't see us finding a linux powered laptop > > >on short notice, so it's pretty much find a powerbook or bust. > > > > > >For the mic, we may be able to get a com facility mic, would have to > > >get anne b. or chris h. and carole b.'s approval, or we could find a > > >student that has a com facility mic currently checked out and have > > >them bring it with them. I think rory is in video so she'd be able to > > >find out what's checked in or out. > > > > > >I can probly be on campus tommorrow if needed to configure a stream > > >source and test to confirm the relay works if we can score a mic and a > > >laptop. forwarding to rory, chelsea in CG and carole braun, chris > > >hill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On 10/2/07, Matthew Baya wrote: > > >> THe antiochians.org server has it's audio streaming relay still > > >> active from the August meeting and McGregor 113 has open wireless, so > > >> all it would take to stream this would be for someone with a properly > > >> equipped computer & mic to attend the meeting. > > >> > > >> Are you volunteering Jonny? > > >> > > >> If not if anyone with a portable mac can attend I can help them get > > >> setup. If someone has a pc I can give you the server relay settings > > >> but I dont know what software is available on the PC and how to > > >> configure it. > > >> > > >> -Matt > > >> > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Jonny Estes > > >NEW TEL#: 6147980914 (till 10pm) > > >AIM: sixy777 > > >!=marketing > > >Open source e-marketing | Data & web solutions > > >e: jonny.no@gmail.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Communications-web mailing list > > Communications-web@antiochians.org > > > http://antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/communications-web_antiochians.org > > > -- Jonny Estes NEW TEL#: 6147980914 (till 10pm) AIM: sixy777 !=marketing Open source e-marketing | Data & web solutions e: jonny.no@gmail.com From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Oct 3 21:24:03 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (dennieeagleson (deagleson42@gmail.com)) Date: Wed Oct 3 21:25:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: <1b1896cc0710021640n12083a38pb17538e283342004@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7d7267de49de788206b3b7a7fbf26a0e@antiochians.org> Hi Jonny, I can offer my laptop - I can ask Carole for the microphone. I don't have the software, but I would like it. I was going to use the lap top in class afrom 1:00-2:50pm. If you needed it to load software, etc, let me know - I can meet up right at 1:00 to give it to you. I will need it back after the meeting. Hope this helps. Dennie PS I thought the wireless signal was not so great in 113 - but Beth Gutelius would know because she "streamed" a meeting in there just before the BOT / Stakeholder meeting. >Hey matt - I'd be more then happy to, but have no laptop and no mic >either. I'll check with CG to see if someone has one they could lend >out for such a purpose - hopefully a powerbook, configuring sources >for streams via windows i've not done but wouldn't wish it on my >enemies. linux is easy but can't see us finding a linux powered laptop >on short notice, so it's pretty much find a powerbook or bust. > >For the mic, we may be able to get a com facility mic, would have to >get anne b. or chris h. and carole b.'s approval, or we could find a >student that has a com facility mic currently checked out and have >them bring it with them. I think rory is in video so she'd be able to >find out what's checked in or out. > >I can probly be on campus tommorrow if needed to configure a stream >source and test to confirm the relay works if we can score a mic and a >laptop. forwarding to rory, chelsea in CG and carole braun, chris >hill. > > > > > > > > > >On 10/2/07, Matthew Baya wrote: >>THe antiochians.org server has it's audio streaming relay still >>active from the August meeting and McGregor 113 has open wireless, so >>all it would take to stream this would be for someone with a properly >>equipped computer & mic to attend the meeting. >> >>Are you volunteering Jonny? >> >>If not if anyone with a portable mac can attend I can help them get >>setup. If someone has a pc I can give you the server relay settings >>but I dont know what software is available on the PC and how to >>configure it. >> >>-Matt >-- >Jonny Estes >NEW TEL#: 6147980914 (till 10pm) >AIM: sixy777 >!=marketing >Open source e-marketing | Data & web solutions >e: jonny.no@gmail.com From dlbahr at hotmail.com Thu Oct 4 05:54:17 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Thu Oct 4 05:55:32 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Sacred Sea" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Duffy: Thank you for the welcome. We are not staying long but look forward to having our feet on the ground there. I think this is a very good year to remember Founders Day. Antiochorexic? I am not seeing the someone you are referring to but I can see the mirror you are holding up. I don't see Antioch in the same way but as I muse it does provide an image. I can certainly understand that the campus is feeling thin skinned/down to the bones and needing nurturing kindness. There is a willfullness that allows one to survive and a willfulness that can destroy a place. When an institution looses its balance it can become a distorted place to be--like an anorexic's body and self image. To say there are no flaws might be continuing a certain mode of denial which does not face history or the facts right in front of you. It is a delicate and difficult task to heal longitudinal problems that do not have easy fixes. Denying the problem won't make it go away. I have always had a healthy appetite--not sure what you do with someone who doesn't want to eat. It is tough. It doesn't have to be feast or faminine. It can be good enough. Loving kindness, celebration, seeing the beauty in imperfection and loving our precious body/place on this precious planet need to be manifest in great calories--like a fertile field in the hands of a skilled farmer. Duffy, are we old friends? I barely know you but have enjoyed your posts and remember you fondly. Your photographic memory of my address whenever I came to OK to sign out books always impressed me. I will stop in and introduce you to my husband or find you to toast the founding of beloved Alma Mater. If we miss you, Cheers. I also want to apologize if any of my posts have offended you or have felt overly critical. Cyberspace and distance have both pluses and minuses. Alumni chatters can be annoying. Sincerely, Lesley > Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:43:16 -0400> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] "Sacred Sea"> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> CC: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> From: duffy@antioch-college.edu> > Hey there Lesley......> > am glad you are coming to visit. and hope you enjoy yourself...> Friday...Oct 5th .... .is going to be great Birthday bash weather for> the 155th time Founder"s Day ....> Some years Founder's day goes by unnoticed.......ah how we have> forgotten to celebrate ourselves.> We have been so unkind and forgiving to ourselves for too many> years. I have always felt that we were> like someone looking in the mirror and always seeing flaws when> when we were pretty good-looking all along.> Antiochorexia.!!!!!!! we never think we are good enough. Too> much critical thinking!!> > CG and the Towngroup are planning a forum, a parade, a festival,> cake and an evening cabaret.> > > The weather promises to be mostly sunny and in the mid> eighties...well above normal.....> C'mon home and enjoy the college and YS......> > Next week we may finally have some chillier weather...but first a> few minutes of global warning..> which is also just in time for the Peak Oil Conference which will be> coming to the College ...> > lots of company coming..Peak Oil, BOT and the Alumni Board.... who> needs football?> > Your old friend Duffy '77> > and alums. students and colorful townsfolk> > > > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline From duffy at antioch-college.edu Thu Oct 4 09:07:54 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Thu Oct 4 09:09:33 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Meeting tomorrow 7PM/ Parade and potluck this Friday! Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:29:25 PM Message From: Judith Wolert-Maldonado Subject: Meeting tomorrow 7PM/ Parade and potluck this Friday! (Please forward widely. Thank you.) Hello all, This is a reminder for our weekly meeting for our Yellow Springs Ad-Hoc Group to Keep Antioch College Open. The meeting is tomorrow, October 4th at 7 PM at the Coretta Scott King Center. On tomorrow's agenda (agenda is always open to other brief additions and/or announcements): 1. Come and hear/read the updated draft of the Community Referendum written by Antioch College students, before it gets voted on by the Antioch College community on Monday. Since I cannot send it via email yet, the best place to hear it in its entirety is at tomorrow's meeting. 2. Updates from other stakeholder groups, namely from the union staff. 3. Sign up to host an Antioch College alum in your home during the weekend of October 26, the weekend of the very important Antioch University Board of Trustees Meeting. It looks like we will need many, many hosts, as all of the campus rooms have filled up. I will have with me a list of alums seeking Yellow Springs hosts. If you cannot attend tomorrow's meeting, and can be a host, please reply to this email identifying yourself as such so that I can add you to my host list and match you with a visiting alum. Also, please specify if you have or do not have pets in your home. 4. Sign and banner making for this Friday's parade for Antioch College's Founder's Day. We will also be painting a banner for the Coretta Scott King Center. Great! Now please get your noisemakers, musical instruments, signs, colorful outfits and Antioch College t-shirts ready, because you and yours are invited to participate in a parade this Friday, alongside students, faculty, staff, alumni and fellow Yellow Springs and Miami Valley residents to show the world that we are proud of our community and the college that helped to shape it. Bring your children and grandchildren. Tell your neighbors. Tell your local shopkeepers. There will be media present, so let's show them a good time. If you've never had the chance or guts to march in a parade, now's the time! We will line up at the Antioch College stoop at 4 PM this Friday (October 5, 2007) to march by 4:15 PM, cross over Livermore Street, down Xenia Avenue (we do have a parade permit) and turn down Corry Street to come back to the Student Union stoop at Antioch College. The parade's end will continue into a carnival at the stoop. Our neighbor and Antioch College alum, Jim Rose, will give a speech as Horace Mann, to kick off the carnival events, including a giant birthday cake for Antioch College, for all to eat. One last thing: Due to the college's budget difficulties, the community dinner that was advertised for Founder's Day, will not happen unless we can each bring something to share with all. The students will be able to eat in the cafeteria throughout the carnival. As for the rest of us, in the truest sense of community, let us partake in a community potluck together, during the carnival, at the picnic tables at the stoop. If each of us can bring something to share, there will be something for everyone. I will make sure to bring enough plates, utensils, napkins and cups. Best wishes to all, Judy aka "juju" Judith Wolert-Maldonado juju70@msn.com (937)767-0118, home _______________________________________________________________________________ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 2, 2007 - Yellow Springs, Ohio - The Antioch College community of students, faculty, staff and alumni, are collaborating with the residents of Yellow Springs and the greater Miami Valley area to celebrate the college's Founder's Day on Friday, October 5, 2007. Horace Mann, a Massachusets-born abolitionist and education reformer, was the college's first president from 1853 until his death in 1859. Mann's quote and college motto "Be Ashamed to Die Until You Have Won Some Victory for Humanity." continues to be recited by graduates at the end of each Antioch College commencement ceremony. The Antioch College community invites all Yellow Springs and Miami Valley residents to participate in the Founder's Day events, and to march alongside one another in a 4 PM parade to celebrate Antioch College. Final parade preparation, including sign-making, will take place at the next meeting of the Yellow Springs Ad-Hoc Group to Keep Antioch College Open. The entire community is invited to the meeting, which is on Thursday, October 4, at 7 PM, at the Coretta Scott King Center on the Antioch College Campus. Founder's day events include: 12:00 PM to 1:00 PM - James M. Malarkey, Ph.D, Professor of Humanities at Antioch University McGregor will give a talk on the history and impact of Antioch College. The presentation will take place in the Antioch Inn (next to the Antioch College cafeteria). 1:00 PM to 3:00 PM - Bring your own t-shirt to silk-screen in a silk-screening workshop at the Silk Screen Room in Pennell House (Antioch College campus). 4:00 PM - Line up at the steps of the Antioch College Student Union building for the Founder's Day Parade. 4:15 PM - The parade starts from the Student Union steps and continues to cross Livermore Street, march down Xenia Avenue, turn onto Corry Street to return to the Student Union steps. 5:00 PM to 7:00 PM - A community dinner, a carnival, a speech by "Horace Mann", a giant birthday cake and karaoke singing will take place at the steps of the Student Union. (Carnival events will take place in the the Antioch College Gym in the case of rain.) 8:00 PM- Cabaret Horace, a traditional Antioch College event in which community members perform songs, skits and display other theatrical talents, will take place at the Antioch College Theater Building. ### From duffy at antioch-college.edu Thu Oct 4 09:43:24 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Thu Oct 4 09:45:17 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Sacred Sea" In-Reply-To: References: < > Message-ID: Lesley....I have never said that we have no flaws. I probably know the flaws better than most. The larger institution( meaning that river of decades) is very tough and judgemental. Problem is.....very few folks have been in listening mode. and by that I mean all sorts of folks and all sorts of decades. many folks think I am a loose canon. But I know the good mostly outweighs the bad.... everybody wants a utopia...it never has been one.....and will never be one..but it is a good place. and maybe you have found your utopia......great for you if you have.. The community is more awake than ever. People work on finding their passions.....and passionate people, well, thery're like newly baptized Christians.....can be a little over-zealous or emotional. might drive you insane. The other day on the way back to Dayton...(where it is more affordable) there was a YS toyota minivan in front of me with two bumper stickers. a support WYSO bumper sticker and another one that said "If you are not outraged, you are not paying attention". It made think of the college...a community of folks recently awakened...but oh so full of those tough emotions.. That anger and frustration about how to deal with what is wrong around us..in the smaller and larger worlds has been part of our troubles....and a tough one to fix. In a lotta places people aren't paying attention....... We just have not had enough folks to help us turn outrage into positive scenarios. We could use a dozen Denmans...and the like.....but haven't money to have those sort of frills. Hope you enjoy your visit. Duffy '77 Eventhough you say you barely know me...I will still say I am yer ol' friend. I am old and a friend. From aadole at roadrunner.com Thu Oct 4 12:57:26 2007 From: aadole at roadrunner.com (Art Dole) Date: Thu Oct 4 09:59:40 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: <005a01c805e1$39fafe30$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: On 10/3/07 10:17 AM, "Mark Pomerantz" wrote: > Duffy, > > How did the consultant turn Northeastern around? > > ........................................................................ > The alum board has contracted with a turnaround expert to help write this > plan...Tracy Filosa...who helped > turn Northeastern around. > > Gotta go Duffy > > > > Using consultants is risky. Consider the plans proposed by consultants previously employed by the BOT (eg. The Renewal Plan). Both the BOT and the AB must bear in mind that it is the faculty and administration (especially the President whoever she is) plus the students who have to carry out any plan. Several specialists in higher education, sociology, and psychology have written case studies on the failure of top down plans. The plans were subtly sabotaged by those who were charged with carrying them out but who were not consulted. Art Dole '46> > > From mbrower32 at comcast.net Thu Oct 4 10:15:09 2007 From: mbrower32 at comcast.net (Michael Brower) Date: Thu Oct 4 10:03:01 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] My Letter in Boston Globe North Edition,Sunday 9-30 Message-ID: Dear Colleagues in the Struggle, Thought you might be interested in this letter that was published in the Boston Globe, North Edition, last Sunday 9-30. If we convince the Trustees to reverse their Suspension decision, we must then immediately mobilize for a rapid and massive campaign of student recruitment. To recruit a decent sized entering class next fall we will need the help of everyone. This means Alums, Alumni Chapters, students, faculty, and friends, to get out the good word and to reach out to High School students and potential transfers, under guidance and training from Angie Glukhov, our Director of Admissions. -- Mike Brower '55 LETTERS Don't count out Antioch; fund-raising may keep it open for Gardiner Bacon September 30, 2007 In the article about Gardiner Bacon's run for Newburyport Mayor ("Dead last but undaunted," last Sunday's Globe North), Kay Lazar wrote that Antioch College in Ohio, which Bacon wants to attend, announced in June it was suspending operations. It is true that the Antioch trustees announced a suspension starting next July. This was due mainly to a low endowment and insufficient fund-raising. I am writing now to let you know that thousands of passionately loyal alumni of the 155-year-old Antioch College have been mobilizing and organizing alumni chapters around the world. And we have been raising money - more than $12 million so far. And the trustees have agreed to hear our appeal on Oct. 25 to keep Antioch College open. So, please tell those students that Antioch is best suited for - those eager to learn, to mix classroom learning with on-the-job co-op experience, and to work for social justice - to keep their hopes up and be prepared to apply in November. We think we will succeed and keep Antioch College open for another 100 years of, in the words of Antioch founder Horace Mann, "winning victories for humanity." And to you, Gardiner Bacon: Hang in there with us. You are exactly the kind of student we want at Antioch! Michael Brower Antioch College class of 1955 Cambridge ? From dlbahr at hotmail.com Thu Oct 4 10:18:02 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Thu Oct 4 10:19:17 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Sacred Sea" In-Reply-To: References: < > Message-ID: OK friend. Not looking for Utopia. No problem with loose cannons. I am fond of loosey goosies. We all know the good of the place or we wouldn't be paying attention or coming to visit. No doubt you know it inside out. I will have my listening ears on and won't be doing much talking--maybe some hugging. Who knows if the spirit of redemption is strong--I might even be Saved. Lord knows my father always thought Antioch ruined me. I thought of it as Salvation from rearranging furniture and loosing victories. Either way I have come to recognize the importance of honoring lineage carriers and Horace Mann is certainly one to be remembered. All the Best, Lesley> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:43:24 -0400> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] "Sacred Sea"> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> From: duffy@antioch-college.edu> > Lesley....I have never said that we have no flaws.> > I probably know the flaws better than most. The larger institution(> meaning that river of decades) is very tough and judgemental.> > > > Problem is.....very few folks have been in listening mode. and by that I> mean all sorts of folks and all sorts of decades.> > many folks think I am a loose canon. But I know the good mostly> outweighs the bad....> > everybody wants a utopia...it never has been one.....and will never be> one..but it is a good place.> > and maybe you have found your utopia......great for you if you have..> > The community is more awake than ever. People work on finding their> passions.....and passionate people, well,> > thery're like newly baptized Christians.....can be a little over-zealous> or emotional. might drive you insane.> > The other day on the way back to Dayton...(where it is more affordable)> there was a YS toyota minivan in front of me with> > two bumper stickers. a support WYSO bumper sticker and another one that> said "If you are not outraged, you are> > not paying attention". It made think of the college...a community of> folks recently awakened...but oh so full of those tough emotions..> > That anger and frustration about how to deal with what is wrong around> us..in the smaller and larger worlds has> > been part of our troubles....and a tough one to fix.> > In a lotta places people aren't paying attention.......> We just have not had enough folks to help us turn outrage into positive> scenarios.> > We could use a dozen Denmans...and the like.....but haven't money to have> those sort of frills.> > > > > Hope you enjoy your visit. Duffy '77> > Eventhough you say you barely know me...I will still say I am yer ol'> friend.> > I am old and a friend. > > > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook ? together at last. ?Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 From mbrower32 at COMCAST.NET Thu Oct 4 10:51:04 2007 From: mbrower32 at COMCAST.NET (Michael Brower) Date: Thu Oct 4 10:38:56 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Duffy NOT " a loose canon." Message-ID: <2EEFA712-E3C3-4EE8-97AC-10F4DCABD002@COMCAST.NET> To Duffy and his vast array of friends. Duffy, in a recent post you too modestly wrote that "many folks think I am a loose canon." Not being personally a religious type, I'm not sure whether you mean "a loose canon," or maybe "a loose cannon?" In either case, I write to assure you, and any who might mistakenly think this of you, that you are most definitely NOT a "loose cannon." In the 4 years I have known you, and listened to you speak and read your posts, I have come to find that underneath your friendly and joking and jocular language, you are indeed VERY focussed and careful and thoughtful in what and when and how you target an issue. So, anyone who might get the wrong impression of Duffy -- wake up and hear his true messages of love of humanity and service, love of Antioch and its students, and total commitment to keep our beloved Antioch alive and serving humanity for another century or more. -- Mike Brower From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Thu Oct 4 10:57:53 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (msagan1035 (msagan1035@aol.com)) Date: Thu Oct 4 10:59:05 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I do know Northeastern went from being a college with a reputation for being only for those who couldn't afford a usual liberal arts degree (and who had to pay their way with co-ops) to one that is prestigious and sought after. There was the snobby prejudice against it as a working class commuter school, although it was always quite good. The law school had the same rep--a place law enforcement went to get degrees rather than where Ivy Leaguers went to get rich but it currently has a first-rate reputation as a place for social justice, and a combo of traditional and returning students. NE isn't exactly a model for Antioch--it is huge, and the co-ops are professional--but anyone involved in its re-birth can probably help Antioch. Miriam From jdwood5000 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 4 11:13:02 2007 From: jdwood5000 at yahoo.com (j.d.wood) Date: Thu Oct 4 11:14:17 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Oct 4 - 5 Message-ID: <159694.19968.qm@web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The meetings and the parades and potlucks and gatherings happening today and tomorrow all sound fantastic. Wish I could be there. Three cheers for all those on the ground in YSO!!! --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. From duffy at antioch-college.edu Thu Oct 4 11:18:47 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Thu Oct 4 11:20:27 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] picture dat Message-ID: Just a quick note from SW Ohio where it is heading to the upper eighties and the sky is blue. A few minutes of global warming....It must be Al Gore's fault. After he invented the internet he went on to invent global warming, eh? Tomorrow we will be celebrating ourselves and our legacy...Founder's Day. With weather like this...celebration is the first priority. and early this AM a giant surprise arrived from LA from an alum, John Johnston '75 in the form of a giant glossy Matthew Brady photo of Horace Mann. 8 x 10 it is ....but more like in feet!!! It is gi-normous and worthy of a parade in old Tito's Yugoslavia. Thanks for the icon. Duffy It doesn't take alot to party...the sunshine, blue sky..a few comrads and whatevah. Thanks again to John Johnston '75 From Sistersara at aol.com Thu Oct 4 11:42:12 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Thu Oct 4 11:43:41 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon Message-ID: In a message dated 10/4/2007 8:58:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, aadole@roadrunner.com writes: Using consultants is risky. Consider the plans proposed by consultants previously employed by the BOT (eg. The Renewal Plan). Both the BOT and the AB must bear in mind that it is the faculty and administration (especially the President whoever she is) plus the students who have to carry out any plan. Several specialists in higher education, sociology, and psychology have written case studies on the failure of top down plans. The plans were subtly sabotaged by those who were charged with carrying them out but who were not consulted. Art Dole '46> Art, Consultants can be very valuable if the job they are hired to do is well defined. For instance, one very clear job that needs doing vis a vis Antioch is "market research" -- where is the potential market given current demographics that might be interested in the kind of Antioch that is created? What is the likely range in tuition and other costs this segment of potential students will be able to spend on college? This doesn't mean starting from scratch -- these kinds of projections are possible from widely available data bases, but it looks to me, right now, that this in-house expertise is not necessarily available. For that kind of information, a consultant is useful -- it can help you determine how to re-organize so as to potentially be attractive to some relatively small segment of the market of the near future -- say the kids and families beginning to think college for their 13 or 14 year old. Our problem right now, I think, is that no one has focused on "what went wrong" over the years, and thus what we actually have to agree to have fixed going into the future (should there be one), and in addition, we have not examined traditional Antioch Values, and pushed the question of how these would be actualized in the Higher Ed scene of the near future -- meaning the next 25 years or so. Those things need to be addressed BEFORE one starts talking about recruiting students and all. Without this, a consultant who can lend specialized information to the planning process is probably pretty useless. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From duffy at antioch-college.edu Thu Oct 4 12:09:13 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Thu Oct 4 12:10:56 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Founders Day!! Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:46:08 AM Announcements From: Chelsea Martens Subject: Founders Day!! To: Announcements Pulse come to Founders Day; a celebration of the inauguration of Horace Mann and of our College! 12-1 Speech with Jim Malarkey,Professor of Humanities at Antioch University, in the Inn "The Dazzling vision and Relentless Passion of the Founders" 1-4pm Silk Screen Room - Non-stop Antioch t-shirt making (byo tee) 4pm Line up at the stoop for the PARADE! wear costumes, carry signs, etc 4:15pm LEAVE FOR THE PARADE 5:00-7:00pm Carnival, GIANT cake, speeches, karaoke, booths, games, more fun than you can shake a stick at! 8:00pm - Cabaret Horace - A night of Open Mic and Performance 10:30pm Horace's Wake : party in the dance space Chelsea Martens Community Manager Antioch College 795 Livermore St. Yellow Springs, OH 45387 937-769-1050 cmartens@antioch-college.edu From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Thu Oct 4 13:37:36 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Rowan (rowankaiser@gmail.com)) Date: Thu Oct 4 13:38:49 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Meeting to Discuss Alumni Business Plan Called "Constructive" Message-ID: <844eb8cb3ab567da341b4ae88b8161ef@antiochians.org> DRAFT PLAN TO KEEP ANTIOCH COLLEGE OPEN discussed by ALUMNI ASSOCIATION AND UNIVERSITY BOARD OF TRUSTEES YELLOW SPRINGS, OHIO, Oct. 3 -- Antioch College Alumni Association officers, Antioch University Board of Trustees members and Antioch University administrators today reviewed a preliminary draft of a business and fundraising plan to keep Antioch College open. The meeting took place in Denver, Colorado. The final proposal will be presented here October 25 to the full University Board of Trustees. At that meeting, the Trustees could consider lifting the suspension of Antioch College they have now scheduled for July, 2008. Alumni Board President Nancy Crow said, "It was helpful that members of the Board of Trustees and the University administration listened openly and made constructive suggestions to our draft plan. We really appreciate the candor from Trustees and their willingness to work together for the common cause of saving Antioch College." Last August, the Trustees resolved to "work closely with the Alumni Board to provide due diligence access to all appropriate data" needed to create the plan. College alumni and faculty with expertise in college admissions, finance, and law volunteered to work on the plan. The Alumni Board hired Tracy Filosa, a nationally respected expert in higher education finance, to assist. Crow said, "The Board of Trustees is fulfilling our request for more information to help us put together a robust plan in a short amount of time. There was open dialogue at the Denver meeting." Crow added that the Board of Trustees was "was pleased with the hard work and professionalism that they saw from the Alumni Board." Founded in 1852 in Yellow Springs, Ohio, Antioch College is a community of students and faculty challenged by vigorous, inter-disciplinary academics. Students learn through campus life, real-life jobs and optional study abroad. They take part in community decision-making, gaining values and interpersonal skills that serve them well no matter what their chosen field. Students gain the self-knowledge and love of learning they need to make a difference in a world where the only constant is change. Since the Board of Trustees announced the suspension of operations in June of 2007, alumni across the country have raised more than $12 million in cash and pledges to maintain continuous operations of Antioch College with a tenured faculty. Alumni chapters have grown to forty worldwide. Additionally, the Alumni Board also recently premiered its redesigned and reorganized Web site, www.antiochians.org. The Alumni Board is continuing with its fundraising and planning efforts. For additional information on the Antioch College Alumni Association and its Revival Fund, visit www.antiochians.org. -###- From jonny.no at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 16:39:54 2007 From: jonny.no at gmail.com (Jonny) Date: Thu Oct 4 16:41:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] student referendum panel is streaming live NOW Message-ID: <1b1896cc0710041339w1bab4bdbx1fc56eab49ae7467@mail.gmail.com> student referendum panel is streaming live NOW http://listen.antiochians.org:8000 community meeting audio & video will be available soon via stream or for download (I wanted to stream live, but could not get admin access to install streaming server until it was over - sorry!) I will post links to the media files / streams when they are ready -- Jonny Estes NEW TEL#: 6147980914 (till 10pm) AIM: sixy777 !=marketing Open source e-marketing | Data & web solutions e: jonny.no@gmail.com From marklp2 at comcast.net Thu Oct 4 19:16:19 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Thu Oct 4 19:17:37 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Meeting to Discuss Alumni Business Plan Called"Constructive" In-Reply-To: <844eb8cb3ab567da341b4ae88b8161ef@antiochians.org> References: <844eb8cb3ab567da341b4ae88b8161ef@antiochians.org> Message-ID: <00a301c806dc$92a35a90$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> When do the rank and file get to see this plan? -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Rowan (rowankaiser@gmail.com) Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:38 AM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: [Alumni-chat] Meeting to Discuss Alumni Business Plan Called"Constructive" DRAFT PLAN TO KEEP ANTIOCH COLLEGE OPEN discussed by ALUMNI ASSOCIATION AND UNIVERSITY BOARD OF TRUSTEES YELLOW SPRINGS, OHIO, Oct. 3 -- Antioch College Alumni Association officers, Antioch University Board of Trustees members and Antioch University administrators today reviewed a preliminary draft of a business and fundraising plan to keep Antioch College open. The meeting took place in Denver, Colorado. The final proposal will be presented here October 25 to the full University Board of Trustees. At that meeting, the Trustees could consider lifting the suspension of Antioch College they have now scheduled for July, 2008. Alumni Board President Nancy Crow said, "It was helpful that members of the Board of Trustees and the University administration listened openly and made constructive suggestions to our draft plan. We really appreciate the candor from Trustees and their willingness to work together for the common cause of saving Antioch College." Last August, the Trustees resolved to "work closely with the Alumni Board to provide due diligence access to all appropriate data" needed to create the plan. College alumni and faculty with expertise in college admissions, finance, and law volunteered to work on the plan. The Alumni Board hired Tracy Filosa, a nationally respected expert in higher education finance, to assist. Crow said, "The Board of Trustees is fulfilling our request for more information to help us put together a robust plan in a short amount of time. There was open dialogue at the Denver meeting." Crow added that the Board of Trustees was "was pleased with the hard work and professionalism that they saw from the Alumni Board." Founded in 1852 in Yellow Springs, Ohio, Antioch College is a community of students and faculty challenged by vigorous, inter-disciplinary academics. Students learn through campus life, real-life jobs and optional study abroad. They take part in community decision-making, gaining values and interpersonal skills that serve them well no matter what their chosen field. Students gain the self-knowledge and love of learning they need to make a difference in a world where the only constant is change. Since the Board of Trustees announced the suspension of operations in June of 2007, alumni across the country have raised more than $12 million in cash and pledges to maintain continuous operations of Antioch College with a tenured faculty. Alumni chapters have grown to forty worldwide. Additionally, the Alumni Board also recently premiered its redesigned and reorganized Web site, www.antiochians.org. The Alumni Board is continuing with its fundraising and planning efforts. For additional information on the Antioch College Alumni Association and its Revival Fund, visit www.antiochians.org. -###- _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 6:43 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 6:43 PM From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Thu Oct 4 22:31:36 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Rowan (rowankaiser@gmail.com)) Date: Thu Oct 4 22:32:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Meeting to Discuss Alumni Business Plan Called "Constr In-Reply-To: <00a301c806dc$92a35a90$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: <921128c1fcedf21666dfc4d4e112ffff@www.antiochians.org> >When do the rank and file get to see this plan? That's a question I wish I had the answer to myself. I understand the hope is for it to be made public in advance of the BOT meeting when it's closer to finished, but the AB doesn't seem to want to pin down a date. From duffy at antioch-college.edu Fri Oct 5 10:14:20 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Fri Oct 5 10:16:06 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Board Rights vs. Alumni Rights: Inside Higher Education today Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- Friday, October 05, 2007 9:25:25 AM Announcements From: Linda Sattem Subject: Board Rights vs. Alumni Rights: Inside Higher Education today To: Announcements Pulse Board Rights vs. Alumni Rights today in Inside Higher Education, Antioch Alumni are mentioned briefly http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/10/05/trustees Linda Lee Sattem, Ph.D., PCC/S Director, Counseling and Wellness Center Antioch College 795 Livermore St. Yellow Springs OH 45387-1697 (937) 769-1129 direct (937) 769-1130 Center (937) 769-1125 fax E-mail is not a secure form of communication, and precautions need to be taken to protect all confidential information. From pas0705 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 5 10:20:29 2007 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Fri Oct 5 10:21:49 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Board Rights vs. Alumni Rights: Inside Higher Education today In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <686987.35096.qm@web63905.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Even more insteresting are the comments re: roles of trustees: 1-Trustees have a legal obligation to an ?undivided duty of loyalty,? meaning that they don?t represent only a subset of alumni or a certain constituency or interest group; they must act in the interests of the institution as a whole. ?The rule of thumb for a board is they need to take a strategic look at an institution and be balanced and sensitive to the needs of all constituents, but not having to address special interests within the boardroom,? said Richard D. Legon, the president of the Association of Governing Boards of Universities and Colleges. 2-Trustees shouldn?t involve themselves in curricular or academic issues ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html From duffy at antioch-college.edu Fri Oct 5 11:01:04 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Fri Oct 5 11:02:49 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Board Rights vs. Alumni Rights: Inside Higher=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Education?= In-Reply-To: <686987.35096.qm@web63905.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <686987.35096.qm@web63905.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Miz Laura....it's founder's day and later today there's a parade and a cake..... (inbetween speeches, silk screening and cabarets and dances)... wish your color guard could come. Maybe next time xoxox Duffy From marnoldtk at yahoo.com Fri Oct 5 11:23:53 2007 From: marnoldtk at yahoo.com (Matthew Arnold) Date: Fri Oct 5 11:25:12 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Board Rights vs. Alumni Rights: Inside Higher Education Message-ID: <108570.66500.qm@web53407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mr. Duffy- I'm up in Bean Town with the radical marching band this weekend. Wish we could be there for the parade. Maybe we'll swing through on our way to the Twin Cities to protest the Republicon next September, serenade Horace's miracles and swindle some Caf food. Anyway, a very happy Founder's Day to all out there. I'll be thinking of you, Matt ----- Original Message ---- From: Steven Duffy To: Alumni Chat List Sent: Friday, October 5, 2007 11:01:04 AM Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Board Rights vs. Alumni Rights: Inside Higher Education Hey Miz Laura....it's founder's day and later today there's a parade and a cake..... (inbetween speeches, silk screening and cabarets and dances)... wish your color guard could come. Maybe next time xoxox Duffy _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From jonny.no at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 12:54:45 2007 From: jonny.no at gmail.com (Jonny) Date: Fri Oct 5 12:56:08 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Meeting to Discuss Alumni Business Plan Called"Constructive" In-Reply-To: <00a301c806dc$92a35a90$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> References: <844eb8cb3ab567da341b4ae88b8161ef@antiochians.org> <00a301c806dc$92a35a90$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: <1b1896cc0710050954j482a7ca0ob1aea300a22088a8@mail.gmail.com> This is somewhat misleading. According to my notes, the meeting was also 'positive', and the board was 'helpful' in offering 'comments'. Just wanted to shade in the rather vague topic of this email. Bye! On 10/4/07, Mark Pomerantz wrote: > When do the rank and file get to see this plan? > > -----Original Message----- > From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Rowan > (rowankaiser@gmail.com) > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:38 AM > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Meeting to Discuss Alumni Business Plan > Called"Constructive" > > DRAFT PLAN TO KEEP ANTIOCH COLLEGE OPEN discussed by ALUMNI ASSOCIATION AND > UNIVERSITY BOARD OF TRUSTEES > > > > YELLOW SPRINGS, OHIO, Oct. 3 -- Antioch College Alumni Association officers, > Antioch University Board of Trustees members and Antioch University > administrators today reviewed a preliminary draft of a business and > fundraising plan to keep Antioch College open. The meeting took place in > Denver, Colorado. > > > > The final proposal will be presented here October 25 to the full University > Board of Trustees. At that meeting, the Trustees could consider lifting the > suspension of Antioch College they have now scheduled for July, 2008. > > > > Alumni Board President Nancy Crow said, "It was helpful that members of the > Board of Trustees and the University administration listened openly and made > constructive suggestions to our draft plan. We really appreciate the candor > from Trustees and their willingness to work together for the common cause of > saving Antioch College." > > > > Last August, the Trustees resolved to "work closely with the Alumni Board to > provide due diligence access to all appropriate data" needed to create the > plan. College alumni and faculty with expertise in college admissions, > finance, and law volunteered to work on the plan. The Alumni Board hired > Tracy Filosa, a nationally respected expert in higher education finance, to > assist. > > > > Crow said, "The Board of Trustees is fulfilling our request for more > information to help us put together a robust plan in a short amount of time. > There was open dialogue at the Denver meeting." > > > > Crow added that the Board of Trustees was "was pleased with the hard work > and professionalism that they saw from the Alumni Board." > > > > Founded in 1852 in Yellow Springs, Ohio, Antioch College is a community of > students and faculty challenged by vigorous, inter-disciplinary academics. > Students learn through campus life, real-life jobs and optional study > abroad. They take part in community decision-making, gaining values and > interpersonal skills that serve them well no matter what their chosen field. > Students gain the self-knowledge and love of learning they need to make a > difference in a world where the only constant is change. > > > > Since the Board of Trustees announced the suspension of operations in June > of 2007, alumni across the country have raised more than $12 million in cash > and pledges to maintain continuous operations of Antioch College with a > tenured faculty. Alumni chapters have grown to forty worldwide. > Additionally, the Alumni Board also recently premiered its redesigned and > reorganized Web site, www.antiochians.org. > > > > The Alumni Board is continuing with its fundraising and planning efforts. > For additional information on the Antioch College Alumni Association and its > Revival Fund, visit www.antiochians.org. > > > -###- > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 > 6:43 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 > 6:43 PM > > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > -- Jonny Estes NEW TEL#: 6147980914 (till 10pm) AIM: sixy777 !=marketing Open source e-marketing | Data & web solutions e: jonny.no@gmail.com From aadole at roadrunner.com Fri Oct 5 18:37:06 2007 From: aadole at roadrunner.com (Art Dole) Date: Fri Oct 5 15:39:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/4/07 8:42 AM, "Sistersara@aol.com" wrote: > > In a message dated 10/4/2007 8:58:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > aadole@roadrunner.com writes: > > Using consultants is risky. Consider the plans proposed by consultants > previously employed by the BOT (eg. The Renewal Plan). Both the BOT and the > AB must bear in mind that it is the faculty and administration (especially > the President whoever she is) plus the students who have to carry out any > plan. Several specialists in higher education, sociology, and psychology > have written case studies on the failure of top down plans. The plans were > subtly sabotaged by those who were charged with carrying them out but who > were not consulted. > > Art Dole '46> > > > > Art, Consultants can be very valuable if the job they are hired to do is > well defined. For instance, one very clear job that needs doing vis a vis > Antioch is "market research" -- where is the potential market given current > demographics that might be interested in the kind of Antioch that is created? > What > is the likely range in tuition and other costs this segment of potential > students will be able to spend on college? This doesn't mean starting from > scratch -- these kinds of projections are possible from widely available data > bases, but it looks to me, right now, that this in-house expertise is not > necessarily available. For that kind of information, a consultant is useful > -- it > can help you determine how to re-organize so as to potentially be attractive > to some relatively small segment of the market of the near future -- say the > kids and families beginning to think college for their 13 or 14 year old. > > Our problem right now, I think, is that no one has focused on "what went > wrong" over the years, and thus what we actually have to agree to have fixed > going into the future (should there be one), and in addition, we have not > examined traditional Antioch Values, and pushed the question of how these > would be > actualized in the Higher Ed scene of the near future -- meaning the next 25 > years or so. Those things need to be addressed BEFORE one starts talking > about recruiting students and all. Without this, a consultant who can lend > specialized information to the planning process is probably pretty useless. > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > Sister Sara > True. However, the first task is to recruit an equivalent to Arthur Morgan. Who picks the consultant? What are the consultant's qualifications? How does the consultant relate to the people who are expected to carry out the consultant's recommendations? If the organization lacks a leader, later is the new president hobbled by the consultant'w work? Is there a book about all this? A personal note. I have been a consultant several times. Usually an interesting challenge, well compensated but not enough time. It's very hard to escape the scenario for your visit that the administrators who write your check arrange. Art From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Sat Oct 6 11:26:43 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (dude (dudevoyeur@gmail.com)) Date: Sat Oct 6 11:28:08 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Why Aren't the Students Using the Library? Message-ID: <11d14882353862b4e90c048b33f24af1@antiochians.org> I urge everyone to read this article in this week's Record. Here's the link: http://recordonline.org/2007/10/05/why-aren%e2%80%99t-you-at-the-library/ Thank you. Deb Goodman (class of 1983) From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Sat Oct 6 12:55:32 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (toyboy (andy@svcable.net)) Date: Sat Oct 6 12:56:56 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Why Aren't the Students Using the Library? In-Reply-To: <11d14882353862b4e90c048b33f24af1@antiochians.org> Message-ID: <6235dd908ef3705b1d9d880a512ffa60@antiochians.org> This observation ages me more than any other anecdote about the current Antioch. I absolutely LOVED the basement of the Library. Aside from the fact that that's where all the film books were cloistered (and where I found my dearly beloved "Photoplay Plot Encyclopedia", and was first turned on to the Eadweard Muybridge books) all the bound volumes of magazines like Harpers and Scientific American were found there. I can safely say that it was in the basement of Olive Kettering that I really learned to love libraries...if only for the peace and quiet (and mildew) it exhumed. Reading a book down there was almost other worldly. Creepy yes, but a pleasant sort of creepy. And I always knew that Joe would come around sooner or later to ask me what I was doing. Anyway, it is heartening to hear that crie de coeur coming from a student rather than one of us out of touch Alums, eh? From dramamama at nyc.rr.com Sat Oct 6 14:00:07 2007 From: dramamama at nyc.rr.com (Robin Rice Lichtig) Date: Sat Oct 6 14:01:24 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Library/Antiochiana Message-ID: <00b001c80842$bd56b860$38042920$@rr.com> I can't help but worry about what is going to happen to the contents of Olive Kettering and Antiochiana if our efforts aren't successful. We CAN'T let those go to the University! I have no faith that either would receive the care they should have. I have to admit that the idea of stealing onto campus in the dead of night with a hacksaw and a U-Haul-It has occurred to me. - Robin '64 ************************************** For details on gigs and available scripts see Robin Rice Lichtig at www.dramamama.net ************************************** "The future is here but it's unevenly distributed." -- Robert Heinlein From jonny.no at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 02:13:39 2007 From: jonny.no at gmail.com (Jonny) Date: Sun Oct 7 02:14:42 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Why Aren't the Students Using the Library? In-Reply-To: <11d14882353862b4e90c048b33f24af1@antiochians.org> References: <11d14882353862b4e90c048b33f24af1@antiochians.org> Message-ID: <1b1896cc0710062313x2ef6bdd7j7e209e624fe7c7c6@mail.gmail.com> On 10/6/07, dude (dudevoyeur@gmail.com) wrote: > I urge everyone to read this article in this week's Record. Here's the > link: > > http://recordonline.org/2007/10/05/why-aren%e2%80%99t-you-at-the-library/ > > Thank you. > > Deb Goodman (class of 1983) The article asks a fair set of questions; to which there are some reasonably good answers, I think. The short versions of the two obvious answers: 1) the 'Students' you speak of are a fictional body of people that do not exist on campus. There are scarcely enough people here to go to the toilet let alone go to the library. 2) Even if you could form a toilet-collective, you'd all have to remember to breath first because you'd have been too busy to care and since the only time you ever sit down if you are on campus is when you are in 'Toilcil', so to speak (pun intended, retroactively) Seriously though: In all honesty, I was reading this morning in _Strategic Planning in Higher Education_ (R.A.Servier, 2000) an overview of some of the massive changes the dawn of the internet has brought to higher education, and one University administrator was actually quoted in the chapter as confiding to the author that his organization was desparate to hide the fact that their library was hardly used at all. This was presented in the context of discussing a willingness to accept new paradigms and adapt quickly to the corrosponding changes to surrounding processess. I've not done independant research but it seems likely to me that the impact of the internet cannot be underestimated, and that the resulting downturn in perceived library usage is being experienced universally, and is happening everywhere, not just to small educational institutions that happen to have wandered into being slowly stranled to death over the last few decades. So while this article is well-written, and both the discussion and the timing are appropriate - I'm not sure how effective it is to take under consideration given the complexity and scope of the other tasks at hand. I'm not quite sure how one would source institutional data to prove that any perception of facility usage was in fact related to a quantified change in usage patters, given that this data provides a competitive edge, or a liability in the aforementioned case. Not the I was on campus Thursday and Friday, and spent some time in OK as usual. So to add my eyewitness account in and then editorialize if I may: In my mind: #1 from the vernacular short list above is probably the reason that the library seems empty. ie. the 'emptyness' stands a good chance of being related to the fact that the entire campus is quite close to being... um, empty. Also, keep in mind folks.. this is so painfully obvious after spending the last half of the week there and I have to stress this, because we don't sit and think about this as often as we should or stop to consider the physical toll and the anxiety of contstantly going going, never getting a second to slow down - I'm suggesting that much is not even near 'normal' enough to go to the library at this point, and that everyone on campus is under a tremendous amount of stress. I can tell you first hand I observed across the board nothing but schedules that crossed the threshold of physically possible into 'what are you a cartoon or something?', so this should also be taken into account - it may just be impossible to schedule as much time there. A related note, perhaps: it just occured to me as well that many students are working on senior projects, which I would imagine involve heavy time commitments elsewhere on campus, eg. in the art building, or at the theatre, in the communcaitons facil etc and as such are not able to get to the library as often. But to soothe any worries out there, I can say with absolute certainty that it is still the same place it has always been, just as inviting, inspiring and bristling with expectation and discovery as it ever has been. Just as there is no sense that the library itself is close to thinking about being gone, I have a feeling that despite the internet and the crazy schedules, most students are not simply 'gone' but are simply too busy for words and can't be seen in the library as they've broken the sound barrier halfway across the big lawn on the way over. If it helps, for the benefit of everyone who has spent a good deal of time in that library - and who feels sure that it has some sort of 'pulse' - I can confirm 100% that whatever creature that 'pulse' belongs to is not close to even thinking about considering being dead. There was great new stuff coming in too, as I had both hoped and expected to see. All in all pretty good considering the whole valley of the shadow of exigency and all. jonny > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > -- Jonny Estes NEW TEL#: 6147980914 (till 10pm) AIM: sixy777 !=marketing Open source e-marketing | Data & web solutions e: jonny.no@gmail.com From jonny.no at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 03:02:38 2007 From: jonny.no at gmail.com (Jonny) Date: Sun Oct 7 03:03:40 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Why Aren't the Students Using the Library? In-Reply-To: <6235dd908ef3705b1d9d880a512ffa60@antiochians.org> References: <11d14882353862b4e90c048b33f24af1@antiochians.org> <6235dd908ef3705b1d9d880a512ffa60@antiochians.org> Message-ID: <1b1896cc0710070002v5a5578cp463468f0a2fb351b@mail.gmail.com> .if only for the peace and quiet (and mildew) it exhumed. Reading a book down there was almost other worldly. Creepy yes, but a pleasant sort of creepy. And I always knew that Joe would come around sooner or later to ask me what I was doing. yes this is the same pulse, described in eerie precision as if you'd borrowed my senses as part of your research before authoring that email. as you put it - creepy, but at at peace, engaged, focused but free to think at will or fall asleep unwillingly all at once. Dream incubation chamber of sorts. If that were not enough, there is always the unlimited falling down and knowing you are stupid for doing so again, which is powerful stuff, i tell you: random insults, on a semi-arbitrary basis - never mandatory but always possible. Combined with unmatched ability to assist in any given research project whatsover (without ever touching or insulting a computer at all), you just can't find a better way to flip and vigourously shake the etch-a-sketch of your brain on college, i'm convinced - nor can you find a brilliantly insightful, almost 100% accurate / thourough search engine that presents you with hard copies in the same amount of time it takes your computer to power on. So, even those of us who count ourselves among the ranks of 'IT' legions still see a place for libraries like OK for reasons like these among many others. It is amazing that a single place can feel that distinctive and be so special to so many people over that great of a span of time and that it can be so universally and precisely described by anyone that you talk to about it - but then, it is another world after all, outside of our silly time-space rules (and natural light, convieniently) From dramamama at nyc.rr.com Sun Oct 7 07:31:36 2007 From: dramamama at nyc.rr.com (Robin Rice Lichtig) Date: Sun Oct 7 07:32:26 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Why aren't the students using the library? Message-ID: <002101c808d5$9f1d6860$dd583920$@rr.com> " ...the valley of the shadow of exigency..." Beautiful and searing image, Jonny. (This sad/angry/challenging subject matter is eliciting some fantastic Antiochian writing!) - Robin '64 ************************************** For details on gigs and available scripts see Robin Rice Lichtig at www.dramamama.net ************************************** "The future is here but it's unevenly distributed." -- Robert Heinlein From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Sun Oct 7 08:23:53 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (toyboy (andy@svcable.net)) Date: Sun Oct 7 08:24:26 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Why Aren't the Students Using the Library? In-Reply-To: <1b1896cc0710070002v5a5578cp463468f0a2fb351b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9872101fe714ede62c2bd058a27098b4@antiochians.org> I would add a caveat, which might come across as a downer, but not meant that way... It is easy to beatify the things one remembers about where one went to college. And sweet memories of college are only for the good. But let's not assume that it logically follows that mildew is worth preserving! :o) If George Soros came along and offerred the College $50 million to tear the Library down for a new one, I'd be front and center giving him a pen to sign the check. And the reference that people are turning into cartoons because they are too busy to do things like go to the Library....am I naive to be asking "with what?" From Sistersara at aol.com Sun Oct 7 10:01:01 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Sun Oct 7 10:18:26 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Library/Antiochiana Message-ID: In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:00:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dramamama@nyc.rr.com writes: I can't help but worry about what is going to happen to the contents of Olive Kettering and Antiochiana if our efforts aren't successful. We CAN'T let those go to the University! I have no faith that either would receive the care they should have. I have to admit that the idea of stealing onto campus in the dead of night with a hacksaw and a U-Haul-It has occurred to me. - Robin '64 Robin, the University already owns Antiochiana. It has for some years. This has been an issue for people who wanted to place in trust various paper collections -- but had problems with the ownership. Some of them put materials under the supervision of a particular person -- and in some cases that has been defeated because that long time staff member's position was terminated. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From dramamama at nyc.rr.com Sun Oct 7 11:10:26 2007 From: dramamama at nyc.rr.com (Robin Rice Lichtig) Date: Sun Oct 7 11:11:15 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] library/Antiochiana Message-ID: <00cd01c808f4$31156fb0$93404f10$@rr.com> Sister Sara - Doesn't the University legally own EVERYTHING at this juncture? I would hope that if we're successful in wresting the College away from the University, there's a possibility that the College could retake Antiochiana along with campus land, buildings, library contents, and everything that's core to the identity of the College. Hi, BTW. - Robin '64 ************************************** For details on gigs and available scripts see Robin Rice Lichtig at www.dramamama.net ************************************** "The future is here but it's unevenly distributed." -- Robert Heinlein From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Mon Oct 8 00:00:00 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (dawn '83 (scribstress@gmail.com)) Date: Mon Oct 8 00:01:06 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1678c5f48b92d3ea4aa2c41e805b1ba3@antiochians.org> A draft of the plan will be up on this site in 72 hours. Dawn '83 From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Mon Oct 8 09:28:46 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (ccary60 (ccary60@gmail.com)) Date: Mon Oct 8 09:29:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Alum Mario Capecchi wins Nobel Prize Message-ID: Mario R. Capecchi Wins Nobel Prize In Physiology or Medicine Mario R. Capecchi, Ph.D., distinguished professor of human genetics and biology at the University of Utah's Eccles Institute of Human Genetics and a Howard Hughes Medical Institute investigator, has won the 2007 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine. The announcement was made this morning by the Nobel Assembly at the Karolinska Institute, Stockholm, Sweden. The prize recognizes Capecchi's pioneering work on "knockout mice" technology, a gene-targeting technique that has revolutionized mammalian biology and allowed the creation of animal models for hundreds of human diseases, including modeling cancer in the mouse. "This is a tremendous honor for our University, for our Department of Human Genetics, and, specifically, for all the members of my laboratory, past and present," said Capecchi upon receiving notification of the Nobel Prize early this morning. "The support and genuine interest of the community have been marvelous." ?It is a great honor to share this prize with Drs. Oliver Smithies and Martin Evans. We have all been very fortunate in having a longstanding scientific friendship and in being able to profoundly contribute to each other?s work. This prize is a tribute to our collective efforts.? Smithies is at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, and Evans is at the University of Cardiff, Wales. The Nobel tops a long list of prestigious honors for Capecchi, who, as a child, was forced to wander four years on the streets of Italy after the Nazis imprisoned his mother in a concentration camp. His achievements in gene targeting were recognized with the 2001 Albert Lasker Award for Basic Medical Research and the 2001 National Medal of Science, America?s highest award for lifetime achievement in scientific research, presented by President George W. Bush. In 2003, he also received the Wolf Prize in Medicine, Israel?s highest award for medical science, and the 2003 Pezcoller Foundation-AACR (American Association for Cancer Research) International Award for Cancer Research. Capecchi also received the 2005 March of Dimes Prize in Developmental Biology. ?The University of Utah proudly joins the Nobel Foundation and the entire international scientific community in congratulating Mario Capecchi on his outstanding scientific achievements,? said University of Utah President Michael K. Young. ?His accomplishments are particularly remarkable in light of the tremendous challenges he faced in his youth. He has drawn upon these life experiences to propel himself into doing the most extraordinary things?ultimately enabling people across the globe to live healthier, longer, and more productive lives. Mario Capecchi?s groundbreaking work in gene targeting will have an incalculable impact on generations to come. We are deeply honored and grateful that he is one of ours.? Capecchi?s development of gene targeting in mouse embryo-derived stem cells allows investigators to create mice with mutations in any desired gene and gives them virtually complete freedom to manipulate the DNA sequences in the genome of living mice. Knockout technology makes possible detailed evaluation of the function of every mouse gene at any stage of development or in the adult. The technology not only has made possible the production of animal models for human disease, but it also is providing Capecchi and other researchers with insights into understanding fundamental biological questions, including development of the brain in the embryo or its function in the adult. Capecchi was born in Verona, Italy, in 1937. His mother was imprisoned during World War II, but found him after the war and they eventually came to the United States to live with his aunt and uncle. Capecchi received his B.S. degree in chemistry and physics from Antioch College in 1961 and his Ph.D. in biophysics from Harvard University in 1967. He completed his thesis work under the guidance of Nobel laureate James D. Watson, who, along with Francis Crick, determined the structure of DNA. Capecchi became a junior fellow at Harvard and was an associate professor of biochemistry there when, in 1973, he left to join the University of Utah faculty. A scientist at the Eccles Institute of Human Genetics at the University of Utah medical school, Capecchi also serves as co-chair of the Department of Human Genetics and is a founding member of the Brain Institute at the University of Utah. He holds the Helen Lowe Bamberger Colby and John E. Bamberger Presidential Endowed Chair in the Health Sciences at the U of U. Capecchi is a member of the National Academy of Sciences. Among his numerous other honors are the Fifth Annual Bristol-Myers Squibb Award for Distinguished Achievement in Neuroscience Research (1992), Gairdner Foundation International Award for Achievements in Medical Science (1993), General Motors Corporation?s Alfred P. Sloan Jr. Prize for Outstanding Basic Science Contributions to Cancer Research (1994), Kyoto Prize in Basic Sciences (1996), the Franklin Medal for Advancing Our Knowledge of the Physical Sciences (1997), and the University of Utah?s Rosenblatt Prize for Excellence (1998). For more information on the Nobel Prize see the Nobel Prize Web site: www.nobelprize.org. For more information on Mario Capecchi, see the University of Utah Health Sciences Center Web site: http://healthcare.utah.edu/capecchi; the University of Utah Department of Human Genetics Web site: www.genetics.utah.edu; or the University of Utah Genetic Science Learning Center Web site: http://gslc.genetics.utah.edu. - Source: University of Utah Release From Hopita at aol.com Mon Oct 8 10:23:26 2007 From: Hopita at aol.com (Hopita@aol.com) Date: Mon Oct 8 10:24:42 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Mario R. Capecchi, Antioch '61 has won the 2007 Nobel Prize for Medicine Message-ID: Just heard about this from a member of the Pittsburgh Alumni group: Mario R. Capecchi, Antioch '61 has won the 2007 Nobel Prize for Medicine. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071008/ap_on_he_me/nobel_medicine;_ylt=AgIs5Ufqa5 NnKQWLtZjB7qqs0NUE: "...The Nobel is a particularly striking achievement for Capecchi, a native of Italy who at the age of 4 was separated from his mother when the Gestapo took her to the Dachau concentration camp during World War II. Capecchi lived on the streets for more than four years, fending for himself by begging and stealing, until reuniting with his mother at age 9. They soon moved to the United States, where he started elementary school without knowing how to read or write, nor how to speak English ..." More on Capecchi: http://capecchi.genetics.utah.edu/capecchi.html ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From duffy at antioch-college.edu Mon Oct 8 10:50:05 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Mon Oct 8 10:51:18 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Why Aren't the Students Using the Library? In-Reply-To: <6235dd908ef3705b1d9d880a512ffa60@antiochians.org> References: <6235dd908ef3705b1d9d880a512ffa60@antiochians.org> Message-ID: Everything is relative. First of all......people use the library all the time......and are even banging at the door before we open. which is now 10am with the budget cuts...and use reams of paper in all the printers and copiers.. do they read it all? It comes in waves...between classes.... But with 207 people on campus how many would one imagine wouold be in here at one time?..especially when the weather has been outrageously warm and sunny... We had a Founder's day party all day Friday and the parade was an usually sweaty event for October..... on the way back from downtown Horace's Hair...a twenty foot tall puppet got stuck on a tree branch right by the President's house.....it took a little maneuvering to loosen up Ho's hair.. afterwards we had speeches and cake and a fair..even a consensual kissing booth and karaoke and pin the blame of the student body game .....Leslie Pownall from the eighteis (visiting from Minnesota) and I sat on a picnic bench..yacking..and enjoying some global warming......while students sang "stand by yer man" and some country songs that were alien to me... This campus really needs 800 folks here...so 207 are swallowed up...and most things appear quiet. There is a handful..here and a handful there. So if we had the full compliment of folks there might be twenty or more in here. Once upon a time, in the year of our lord 1991 we once had a sit-in in the library. We were that season's 8th week crisis!! When the first computer lab came in(and the library had the only lab at that time) ..folks simply wanted a place to stay and keep processing those words, eh? So in mid fall of that year after some rangling and irritation I volunteered to readjust my life to keep the library open as late as the local bars...2AM. Since it was a major upheaval in my life..I made sure we all "partied" ...making the best of it.....which may have meant sending someone over to the c-shop at midnight to bring us back a snack. Joe Cali made me do a head count every hour to see if usage merited it all. Monday nights were always the winner. With about 500 folks on campus...it maxed at 44 and 20 more in the AV room watching a movie. 64 was the highest number!!!!! Of course..now you can search the catalog from your room, or from co-op or AEA. and do research using the Electronic Journal Center......those folks with a good computer and printer....are doing it remotely..and some folks also use electronic reserves... So some library visits are more virtual. When those folks have problems you see them..."Hey, where are the tech resource people...my comouter crashed!" I know when there are other virtual problems cuz my phone will ring. "Can you tell me my barcode?" "How come I can't download my e-reserves?" (Turned out that they were at work at the base...and there were probably filters to prevent them from printing.hmmmmm) And in this age of resource sharing everyone really shares everything whether it is electronic journals or interlibrary loan. I get phone calls from adults who order things from all over the state and then have them shipped to a nearby library..like Central State..because they live around Xenia and that's where they wanted their pick-up location to be. Likewise someone who lives in Dayton may have their OHIOLINK (Interlibrary loan item) delieverd to UD...to save them time and gas money...a commute to and from YS from Dayton is $6 in gas money....and almost an hour and a half drive....total.. Hopefully (from that record article) folks will get Natalie's hidden message which is pretty much what Joe Cali's thoughts were and even the current people think.. which is... Make sure your information is reliable and refereed. If you are just working with Barney Google.(what Joe Cali used to name it) ..welllllllll.. maybe it is age of mis-information... and most librarians also tactfully and reticently say Wikipedia "can" be a good start. Today will be the second record breaking day of heat...93 or so. The promise of normal October weather is for mid week and beyond. Xoxox to Miz Deb. I hope you have squeezed 10 minutes at Rye Beach for me. I know your life is busy. and finally Founder's Day was fun...I went to the Lunchtime lecture given my Jim Malarkey...anthropologist who taught here in the eighties and then went on to help create some of McGregor schools programs. Jim's lecture was awesome and I learned alot about Horace and Arthur....... if I can get ahold of some of text...maybe we can pass it along to yall. Don't forget to think about homecoming........while home is still there. Duffy '77 From jdwood5000 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 8 12:15:57 2007 From: jdwood5000 at yahoo.com (j.d.wood) Date: Mon Oct 8 12:17:07 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] NYC chapter meeting set for 10/12 at Judson Church Message-ID: <250719.63305.qm@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello NYC Antioch Community- We've scheduled our next chapter meeting for this Friday night. Friday 10/12 at 7:00pm -- PLEASE BE PROMPT -- it will be difficult to let anyone in past 7:30 Judson Memorial Church -- downstairs meeting room *** 239 Thompson Street *** (btwn Washington Sq S and West 3rd) Near Washington Square Park -- http://www.judson.org/ ** ELEVATOR ON PREMISES ** FOOD IS ALLOWED, SO BRING POTLUCK ITEMS, DRINKS AND UTENSILS IF YOU ARE SO INCLINED - NO STOVE AVAILABLE TRAINS: A,C,E and B,D,F,V to W4 R,W to 8th St/NYU 6 to Astor Place Proposed agenda 1) open call for agenda topics -- we will list and prioritize topics which will be discussed later in the evening 2) update on Postcard Show fundraiser -- if anyone attending is contributing to the show, you can bring your pieces to the meeting and we will deliver them to the gallery 3) update on Denver AB/BOT meeting 4) review of Business Plan (alleged to be available this week) 5) open agenda topics discussions Day of Event contact numbers: Jeff Wood 917-589-3021 Lynda White 917-864-2951 --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Mon Oct 8 16:50:48 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Travis Sanford (travissanford@msn.com)) Date: Mon Oct 8 16:51:52 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Meeting on Thursday afternoon In-Reply-To: <1678c5f48b92d3ea4aa2c41e805b1ba3@antiochians.org> Message-ID: Community Meeting ? From sjr5 at nyu.edu Mon Oct 8 21:53:11 2007 From: sjr5 at nyu.edu (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) Date: Mon Oct 8 21:52:18 2007 Subject: personal anecdote WAS [Alumni-chat] Why Aren't the Students Using the Library? In-Reply-To: <1b1896cc0710062313x2ef6bdd7j7e209e624fe7c7c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <11d14882353862b4e90c048b33f24af1@antiochians.org> <1b1896cc0710062313x2ef6bdd7j7e209e624fe7c7c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I certainly used the library for its explicit purposes, but my strongest memory of the library is that it's where I learned to smoke. I.e., there was a smoking section in the library, either near the doors, or between the inner and outer doors. And I noticed that if you smoked, you could take a cigarette out to the smoking area and meet a boy by asking for a light. So that's why I started to smoke. Of course, once I'd gotten my cigarette lit, I usually couldn't think of anything else to say, but I was guaranteed at least 10 minutes of hanging around whichever boy I'd asked for a light. -- Sonia Jaffe Robbins Antioch College, '60-'62, '64 sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting ******************* "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Mon Oct 8 22:39:52 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (dude (dudevoyeur@gmail.com)) Date: Mon Oct 8 22:40:55 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Why Aren't the Students Using the Library? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <57ae5275c8f76793a9fa55432d1e7640@antiochians.org> Everytime I walked into the library, Duffy (aka Duckie) would give me a warm welcome and greet me as Ms. Goodwoman or Ms. Goodgirl or the like and then say something about my armpits or legs or a Ruth or two and then Joe would do his thing. "Whar are you doing here? Follow me. Don't fall down." He'd take me into the stacks to show me some obscure periodical or something amazing or sit me in a small room and screen the Toscanini tape. After Toscanini, he'd remind me that other composers would contact Toscaninin if they lost the score to anything since Toscanini memorized everything and would be able to write it out for them. Ahhhhhh. What a place. So many magnificent moments among the mildew. Deb '83 From Sistersara at aol.com Tue Oct 9 00:58:51 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Tue Oct 9 01:00:11 2007 Subject: personal anecdote WAS [Alumni-chat] Why Aren't the Students Using the Lib... Message-ID: In a message dated 10/8/2007 8:51:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sjr5@nyu.edu writes: I certainly used the library for its explicit purposes, but my strongest memory of the library is that it's where I learned to smoke. I.e., there was a smoking section in the library, either near the doors, or between the inner and outer doors. And I noticed that if you smoked, you could take a cigarette out to the smoking area and meet a boy by asking for a light. So that's why I started to smoke. Of course, once I'd gotten my cigarette lit, I usually couldn't think of anything else to say, but I was guaranteed at least 10 minutes of hanging around whichever boy I'd asked for a light. Oh Sonia -- so much Antiochiana in your post. Way back when -- that is when where the Union now stands, the Tea Room stood, And the Caf was in the three joined Quonset Huts where the Union parking lot now stands, The Library was in what in the late 50's early 60's got called Horace Mann -- the small square brick two story building on College Street next to the Friends Meeting House. I think the new Library, the Olive Kettering or the OK dates from about 1955 or 56. Anyhow, there was a community design phase, and one of the considerations was that students wanted to be able to smoke while studying. Olive Kettering was designed with that in mind. Walking in and facing the desk, everything to the left, including the catalogue area and the core collection and all the desk and seating space around the core -- that was smoking. The Periodicals and the music collection, which were to the right of the desk, and the space for serials, and reference, non-smoking. In the basement, some sections of the stacks were smoking, some non -- but since most of the desks got claimed for a quarter, and people put in their portable typewriters and (quite illegally) brought in a thermos of coffee, the line between smoking and non-smoking was rather indistinct. To be polite about it all, you found yourself an ashtray, and put it with your stuff. It was that way in 57, and it was still that way in 62. When the Library was moved from what became Horace Mann to Olive Kettering, the students on campus lined up in a chain across front campus, and moved the collection hand over hand. Not yet a student, I was in YSO during the move, and I joined the chain for several hours. During my time on the line, bound periodicals were being moved. Huge heavy pounds of stuff -- but they were handed off one by one down the line, and at the end of the line someone was putting them precisely where they were to be. The Dayton Daily News had a feature about how Antiochians moved their library. Now I am concerned about the mold in the place. I had heard about Corry, but not about the Library. Look, Mold eats wood and paper. If enough of it is present, the whole collection is in danger. It is probably a result of a flat roof on the Library that leaked, and wasn't fixed when it first showed up -- but guys, if it is in the basement, and in lots of the collection -- it is damn serious. There are ways of getting the mold out of books with various gas treatments in something like an autoclave, and I am sure that Librarians know where to find the resources on this. Different kinds of paper need different treatments given their initial acidic content. Very old acidic paper responds well to the vapor of boiled 7UP, among other things, but I am sure there are more scientific solutions. I been blogging for months about New Orleans -- about how any rebuilding ought to be just masonry construction -- brick and mortar and cement -- absolutely no wood and no sheet rock, all of which is subject to mold and mildew, and being eaten by both. There are towns along the Rhine and Danube that flood every twenty years or so, and that have buildings that have stood for hundreds of years because they are designed to flood -- they are masonry, they can be powerwashed after a flood, and then white washed. They have nice huge staircases to the upper stories with equipment to move stuff up, and they have local plans to make these moves. But they also don't allow anything made of wood or paper on ground floors that cannot be easily moved. They just don't want the mold. Amsterdam.-- God what a lesson in how to do it. I knew nothing about the place till the mid 1980's, but having just finished leading an Elderhostel program in Denmark (where I was AEA certified Danish speaking), I was asked to take over a group where the leader had gotten ill, and the last week or so of the program was in Holland, studying the matter of Water Management in Amsterdam. What a revelation. Yes everything in that town that could possibly be laid wet is not at all attractive to mold. You know zoning for no wood on the ground floors -- not even window sills, and arrangements for moving everything on ground floors up in case of floods, with all the equipment in place, and of course no sheet rock -- just old time plaster that could be washed and white washed after a flood. These days I sit and scream when I see folk on TV making complaints that the local Home Depot cannot provide enough sheet rock for those rebuilding. Good lord, in New Orleans they ought to shoot people who rebuild with anything that can be eaten by mold. And while it is nice to concern ourselves with New Orleans, well if Antioch is getting the precious college library eaten by mold, we are in really bad shape. First thing is to fix a structure where we can save the collection without mold moving from one part to another, (it is contagious) and then the next step is to fix the building. I think OK is saveable -- but it needs to have everything removed, be structurally repaired, put on a pitched roof, proper climate control, and then sealed up tightly and filled with the right gas for the right amount to time to kill everything. Then the collection needs to be properly gassed before it is returned to the building. In the meantime, why not just scan the good stuff and put it on line. Mold does not play a major destructive part in cyberland. I concern myself with why students are not in the library, but when I was on the Alumni Board in the early 90's. I didn't see all that much action around the library either, when I visited with Joe every time I attended a meeting. I still thought it important to build the collection. Decisions made to stop taking subscriptions to serials were profoundly bad, particularly because the economic reasons for ending the subscriptions were not communicated to alumni. Those decisions were not made by Librarians, and they profoundly impacted the ability of faculty to teach to currency in disciplines. If we can restore the college, we have lots of work to do in restoring the collections in terms of what was missed in the economic down years when nothing was acquired. Yes, the library needs to have a heavy, hard copy collection, properly bound, But the Library also needs to put most of what it owns, particularly the rare stuff -- on line. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From lucy.wollin at verizon.net Tue Oct 9 07:30:12 2007 From: lucy.wollin at verizon.net (lwollin) Date: Tue Oct 9 07:31:44 2007 Subject: personal anecdote WAS [Alumni-chat] Why Aren't the Students Using the Library? References: <11d14882353862b4e90c048b33f24af1@antiochians.org><1b1896cc0710062313x2ef6bdd7j7e209e624fe7c7c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00c501c80a67$c23c7370$6401a8c0@DFL7B741> My memories of the library are less carcinogenic, having to do with things like running into Louis Filler near the checkout desk and asking him a reference question and having him give out with a stream of citations as I frantically write down as much as I can while he delivers more information than I can scribble. Or sitting on the floor in the stacks reading Charles Sumner's speeches in the Congressional Record for a paper I was doing for North And South (for Filler). Or learning about and borrowing records of Bessie Smith from the record collection. I don't think I could bear seeing that place if it has gotten so scraggley now. I loved that library. Lucy Wollin (1961) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sonia Jaffe Robbins" To: "Alumni Chat List" Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:53 PM Subject: Re: personal anecdote WAS [Alumni-chat] Why Aren't the Students Using the Library? >I certainly used the library for its explicit purposes, but my strongest >memory of the library is that it's where I learned to smoke. I.e., there >was a smoking section in the library, either near the doors, or between >the inner and outer doors. And I noticed that if you smoked, you could take >a cigarette out to the smoking area and meet a boy by asking for a light. >So that's why I started to smoke. Of course, once I'd gotten my cigarette >lit, I usually couldn't think of anything else to say, but I was guaranteed >at least 10 minutes of hanging around whichever boy I'd asked for a light. > -- > Sonia Jaffe Robbins > Antioch College, '60-'62, '64 > sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com > http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting > > ******************* > "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." > --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels > > From lucy.wollin at verizon.net Tue Oct 9 07:42:30 2007 From: lucy.wollin at verizon.net (lwollin) Date: Tue Oct 9 07:43:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Why Aren't the Students Using the Library? References: <11d14882353862b4e90c048b33f24af1@antiochians.org> <1b1896cc0710062313x2ef6bdd7j7e209e624fe7c7c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ed01c80a69$79b57c80$6401a8c0@DFL7B741> Thanks, Jonny. That's reassuring. I'm wondering how well acquainted the people who teach at Antioch College are with the collection. If they don't assign readings, that could account for some student absence (in addition to the low number of students). In my day (creak!), I didn't need interlibrary loan because the Library had such a great collection. And the professors referred us to it. As a school librarian, one of my schticks was to show students the usefulness AND the limitations of internet research. Lucy Wollin (1961) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonny" To: "Alumni Chat List" Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Why Aren't the Students Using the Library? > On 10/6/07, dude (dudevoyeur@gmail.com) > wrote: >> I urge everyone to read this article in this week's Record. Here's the >> link: >> >> http://recordonline.org/2007/10/05/why-aren%e2%80%99t-you-at-the-library/ >> >> Thank you. >> >> Deb Goodman (class of 1983) > > The article asks a fair set of questions; to which there are some > reasonably good answers, I think. The short versions of the two > obvious answers: > > 1) the 'Students' you speak of are a fictional body of people that do > not exist on campus. There are scarcely enough people here to go to > the toilet let alone go to the library. > > 2) Even if you could form a toilet-collective, you'd all have to > remember to breath first because you'd have been too busy to care and > since the only time you ever sit down if you are on campus is when you > are in 'Toilcil', so to speak (pun intended, retroactively) > > > Seriously though: In all honesty, I was reading this morning in > _Strategic Planning in Higher Education_ (R.A.Servier, 2000) an > overview of some of the massive changes the dawn of the internet has > brought to higher education, and one University administrator was > actually quoted in the chapter as confiding to the author that his > organization was desparate to hide the fact that their library was > hardly used at all. This was presented in the context of discussing a > willingness to accept new paradigms and adapt quickly to the > corrosponding changes to surrounding processess. > > I've not done independant research but it seems likely to me that the > impact of the internet cannot be underestimated, and that the > resulting downturn in perceived library usage is being experienced > universally, and is happening everywhere, not just to small > educational institutions that happen to have wandered into being > slowly stranled to death over the last few decades. > > So while this article is well-written, and both the discussion and the > timing are appropriate - I'm not sure how effective it is to take > under consideration given the complexity and scope of the other tasks > at hand. I'm not quite sure how one would source institutional data to > prove that any perception of facility usage was in fact related to a > quantified change in usage patters, given that this data provides a > competitive edge, or a liability in the aforementioned case. Not the > I was on campus Thursday and Friday, and spent some time in OK as > usual. So to add my eyewitness account in and then editorialize if I > may: In my mind: #1 from the vernacular short list above is probably > the reason that the library seems empty. ie. the 'emptyness' stands a > good chance of being related to the fact that the entire campus is > quite close to being... um, empty. > > Also, keep in mind folks.. this is so painfully obvious after spending > the last half of the week there and I have to stress this, because we > don't sit and think about this as often as we should or stop to > consider the physical toll and the anxiety of contstantly going going, > never getting a second to slow down - I'm suggesting that much is not > even near 'normal' enough to go to the library at this point, and that > everyone on campus is under a tremendous amount of stress. I can tell > you first hand I observed across the board nothing but schedules that > crossed the threshold of physically possible into 'what are you a > cartoon or something?', so this should also be taken into account - it > may just be impossible to schedule as much time there. > > A related note, perhaps: it just occured to me as well that many > students are working on senior projects, which I would imagine involve > heavy time commitments elsewhere on campus, eg. in the art building, > or at the theatre, in the communcaitons facil etc and as such are not > able to get to the library as often. > > But to soothe any worries out there, I can say with absolute certainty > that it is still the same place it has always been, just as inviting, > inspiring and bristling with expectation and discovery as it ever has > been. Just as there is no sense that the library itself is close to > thinking about being gone, I have a feeling that despite the internet > and the crazy schedules, most students are not simply 'gone' but are > simply too busy for words and can't be seen in the library as they've > broken the sound barrier halfway across the big lawn on the way over. > > If it helps, for the benefit of everyone who has spent a good deal of > time in that library - and who feels sure that it has some sort of > 'pulse' - I can confirm 100% that whatever creature that 'pulse' > belongs to is not close to even thinking about considering being dead. > There was great new stuff coming in too, as I had both hoped and > expected to see. All in all pretty good considering the whole valley > of the shadow of exigency and all. > > > jonny > > > > > > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alumni-chat mailing list >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! >> > > > -- > Jonny Estes > NEW TEL#: 6147980914 (till 10pm) > AIM: sixy777 > !=marketing > Open source e-marketing | Data & web solutions > e: jonny.no@gmail.com > > From lucy.wollin at verizon.net Tue Oct 9 07:46:26 2007 From: lucy.wollin at verizon.net (lwollin) Date: Tue Oct 9 07:48:13 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Why Aren't the Students Using the Library? References: <6235dd908ef3705b1d9d880a512ffa60@antiochians.org> Message-ID: <010701c80a6a$069972f0$6401a8c0@DFL7B741> Whew. Thanks, Duffy! Glad to hear the library I love is still alive and kicking! Lucy Wollin (1961) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Duffy" To: "Alumni Chat List" Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Why Aren't the Students Using the Library? > Everything is relative. > > First of all......people use the library all the time......and are even > banging at the door before we open. which is now 10am > with the budget cuts...and use reams of paper in all the printers and > copiers.. do they read it all? > > It comes in waves...between classes.... > > But with 207 people on campus how many would one imagine wouold be in here > at one time?..especially > > when the weather has been outrageously warm and sunny... > > We had a Founder's day party all day Friday and the parade was an usually > sweaty event for October..... > > on the way back from downtown Horace's Hair...a twenty foot tall puppet > got stuck on a tree branch > > right by the President's house.....it took a little maneuvering