From duffy at antioch-college.edu Thu Nov 1 10:21:53 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Thu Nov 1 09:23:57 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: The Blaze is Online Message-ID: The Blaze is Antioch's now and then alternative news organ for those who would like to know...it has a lonnnnnng history.... duffy ----- Original Message ----- Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:24:02 AM Pulse From: Benjamin Horlacher Subject: The Blaze is Online To: Pulse Announcements blaze@blazenews.org The Blaze Editorial Collective (an anonymous group of writers, editors, and designers) has asked me to post the following announcement: The Blaze is online at http://blazenews.org. The Blaze is a newspaper published, edited, produced and distributed by The Blaze Editorial Collective (an anonymous collective of writers, editors and designers). It is published irregularly, when The Blaze Editorial Collective believes that an open forum for information and opinions is necessary to ?comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable.? Send submissions to blaze@blazenews.org. Any submissions to the will be treated as completely anonymous unless specifically indicated otherwise. - The Blaze Editorial Collective From lrpjak at verizon.net Thu Nov 1 09:57:30 2007 From: lrpjak at verizon.net (L Powsner) Date: Thu Nov 1 10:02:33 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Schedule/Time line In-Reply-To: <391853.26971.qm@web60820.mail.yahoo.com> References: <24A4EEAFF9AB4349A2688BA088A45F56@NewDell> <391853.26971.qm@web60820.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tuesday happened, the next is Friday. Laurie lrpjak@verizon.net -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Glavin Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:23 PM To: 'Alumni Chat List' Subject: [Alumni-chat] Schedule/Time line Hi All, So what is the current time line? I remember reading at the time of the postponement that they scheduled a teleconference for Tuesday or today? Did that meeting happen? When are the upcoming meetings scheduled? Are they just the AU BoT or is the Aumni Board included? (Holding my breath with fingers crossed.) Thanks, --Michael '89 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From dlbahr at hotmail.com Thu Nov 1 11:32:42 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:34:33 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: The Blaze is Online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So what's the history & who is the collective in this volume? > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:21:53 -0500 > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > From: duffy@antioch-college.edu > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: The Blaze is Online > > The Blaze is Antioch's now and then alternative news organ for those who > would like to know...it has a lonnnnnng > history.... duffy > ----- Original Message ----- > > Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:24:02 AM > Pulse > From: Benjamin Horlacher > Subject: The Blaze is Online > To: Pulse > Announcements > blaze@blazenews.org > > The Blaze Editorial Collective (an anonymous group of writers, editors, > and designers) has asked me to post the following announcement: > > The Blaze is online at http://blazenews.org. > > The Blaze is a newspaper published, edited, produced and distributed by > The Blaze Editorial Collective (an anonymous collective of writers, > editors and designers). It is published irregularly, when The Blaze > Editorial Collective believes that an open forum for information and > opinions is necessary to ?comfort the afflicted, and afflict the > comfortable.? > > Send submissions to blaze@blazenews.org. Any submissions to the will be > treated as completely anonymous unless specifically indicated otherwise. > > - The Blaze Editorial Collective > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!? Play Star Shuffle:? the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct From duffy at antioch-college.edu Thu Nov 1 12:58:31 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Thu Nov 1 12:00:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: The Blaze is Online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Ms. Bahr.....if y' wanna know the history of the Blaze.....that is really a Scott Sanders type of question. The Blaze history is probably a seven or eight decade story. I have seen it in several re-incarnations. I think that many of the Record staff are also working on the Blaze....... Both publications this season have been totally awesome. When my energy level returns I will provide you and other folks some snippets from the last weekend. I think many of us are spending our time just waiting to see what happens......and are waiting for our stores of Adrenalin to be replenished. For folks who want to see pictures ..Dennie Eagleson has made several photo galleries available.... >From Reunion, Stakeholders' events, Founder's Day and soon Homecoming (Reunion 2.0).. The pictures tell a story that words cannot. I think... check out gallery.antiochians.org and if that isn't it right I would expect someone will correct me.. This weekend did have many interesting people pass through....a few are still here trying to get their plane or bus tickets out. Take care.....Duffy From pas0705 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 1 12:52:14 2007 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Thu Nov 1 12:54:05 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: The Blaze is Online In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <154211.11647.qm@web63908.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- Steven Duffy wrote: > I think many of us are spending our time just > waiting to see what > happens......and are waiting for our stores of > > Adrenalin to be replenished. there've been several metaphors thrown about.. limbo.. Schroedinger's cat... (http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/schrodingers-lolcat1.jpg ) waiting to sneeze for a week.. the wait can be as exhausting as the work... I've heard that this is due to the surprising amount of care and consideration that is happening this week.. hopefully we will soon see the fruits of the labor.. -l __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mglavin1 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 1 19:34:02 2007 From: mglavin1 at yahoo.com (Michael Glavin) Date: Thu Nov 1 19:35:55 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Yesterday's status update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <197073.51423.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> I just stumbled upon this on antiochians.org. In case you haven't see it: A MESSAGE FROM NANCY CROW, PRESIDENT, ANTIOCH COLLEGE ALUMNI BOARD Yes, we are making progress! For the last week, representatives of the Alumni Board and the University Board of Trustees have been working non-stop towards an agreement. It is painfully slow, but we are not only making progress, we are making history. We must work together to revive Antioch College and we must do it right. The Alumni Board is scheduled to vote on the proposed agreement on Thursday evening, and the Board of Trustees on Friday. Please be assured that as soon as we are able, we will alert all of our donors and alumni and the Antioch College community to any new developments or decisions. Thank you for your continued energies, efforts, and support. ?Nancy Crow, President, Antioch College Alumni Board Last Modified : October 31st, 2007 Filed under : Alumni_Board, announcements __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Fri Nov 2 09:44:51 2007 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (YAZZ Allen) Date: Fri Nov 2 09:46:45 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College enthusisasts! Memories of Antioch in the 60's....in photos! Best, Yazz (David) All Message-ID: Antioch College enthusisasts! Memories of Antioch in the 60's....in photos! Best, Yazz (David) Allen '66 BRIEF SUMMARY OF MY LIFE AT ANTIOCH COLLEGE, YELLOW SPRING, OHIO : (I include this first because it provides a relatively brief summary of my life described in much greater detail in the long, long biographical account which follows the Antioch alumni "bio profile" summary):Antioch Hall, Main Building at Antioch College, Ohio------------------------------ Antioch College is a community dedicated to the search for truth, the development of individual potential, and the pursuit of social justice. In order to fulfill our objectives, freedom must be matched by responsibility. As a member of the Antioch Community, I affirm that I will be honest and respectful in all my relationships, and I will advance these standards of behavior in others.. [edit] July - September 1963, Orton Hall Section, Mills Hall Dormatory, Antioch, College, Yellow Springs, Ohio MILLS HALL47 resident rooms (40 doubles - 7 singles) Capacity: 87 Two buildings with two stories each. Rooms are arranged in corridors. include 1st floor Halls: Orton/Dawson and Caldwell/Weston. There are Common Rooms on the first floor and large eat-in kitchens on the second floor with stoves and refrigerators. Each room has internet and phone connections. Laundry room in lower level. A/C. 9. October 1963 - March 1964, Clearwater Ranch for Handicapped Children, Philo, CaliforniaMain house at Clearwater Ranch (renamed "Highland Ranch"), Philo, CA USA10. April 1964, South Hall Dormatory Building, Bottom Floor, Antioch College, Yellow Springs, Ohio11. April 1964, Rented Room, Private Negro Family Residence, Yellow Springs, Ohio12. May - June 1964, One Bedroom Apt. in Building Owned By Mr. Friedman, Yellow Springs, Ohio Antioch College image from Harper's Weekly Magazine, Nov. 23, 1967 by Winslow Homer13. July - September 1964, Rental Cottage behind Lutrell's Grocery Store on Xenia Ave., downtown Yellow Springs, Ohio.14. October 1964, Two bedroom apt., Dixwell Ave., near campus of Yale University, New Haven, ConnecticutDixwell Avenue and Bassett St. intersection, New Haven, Conn USA, 1967 photoYale University, New Haven, Conn USAYale University, New Haven, Conn. USA15. November - December 1964, Three bedroom apartment, Filmore District, San Francisco, CaliforniaFillmore District, San Francisco, CA USAHippies In The 1960's16. January - March 1965, Two bedroom apartment, 2nd Floor, Dayton Street, Yellow Springs, Ohio near Antioch College campus.The guy who rented the best off-campus living space I ever had (the ONLY good off campus place I ever had, really) was a Black dentist with a sort of high pitched, breathy sounding voice.He owned the building which housed the Black barber shop in town while Gegner was still kicking and the alternative white barbers who cut Black hair, too, operated on Xenia Ave. in the 1963-64-65 era.I had a terrific place above the Black barber shop on Dayton St., right near the YSO post office and Joe Holly's cleaners (and "Jake's" late night, drive in hamburger place....Jake later got bigger and then got busted as I remember for drugs or other problem activities or both!). My place was a walk-up apt, cosy, clean, and spacious. I had it for Winter Quarter of 1965, and sublet a front bedroom (with a big double bed!) from Ken Huber, a townie-Liberal protester of note (not an Antioch student...in his late 20's or early 30's...had red hair, was short and stocky, always part of the anti-Gegner attacks while Gegner protesters were not yet "big time" or joined by the majority of Antioch College...Huber was the boyfriend of Sylvia Law '64, who later became a hot-shot lawyer and law professor at NYC, got a MacArthur "genius" award of zillions she could spend any way she wanted, and probably did!).Note second floor apartment windows, often rented to Antioch students.17. April - June 1965, Four bedroom apartment located at the end of President Street, adjoining the Antioch College campus, Yellow Springs, OhioThe house below is located at the end of a street, in amanner similar to the larger house where I lived in April-June 1965. Great Lakes Colleges AssociationAlbion | Antioch | DenisonDePauw | Earlham | Hope | KalamazooKenyon | Oberlin | Wesleyan | Wooster| Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antioch_College" ROD SERLING, Antioch College '50, was my teacher at Antioch in Fall 1962, and taught me a course in Mass Media: Films And Television. I got a "B." Later I worked in Hollywood CA as an actor in 1970, and was in contact with him there. ARTHUR ERNEST MORGAN, President of Antioch College, Ohio (1920-1936), Founding Chairman, Tennessee Valley Authority, US Fed. Govt. (1933-38). I met him at Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio in 1963, and he asked me to help him. We were both members of the Yellow Springs, Ohio Monthly Friends Meeting (Quakers). He was very tall, perhaps 6'4". Later, after my years at Antioch, I read many history books about him, and his struggles at Antioch andl later with the TVA.JAMES PAYSON DIXON, M.D., President of Antioch College, Ohio, 1959-75. I was Assistant Community Manager of the Antioch College Community Government CM during Winter Quarter of 1965.When I served as ACM under Community Manager Michael Rogers (who later changed his name to Michael Ben-Dor), I hired nationally prominent NYC based folk singer Dave Van Ronk, spent several days in his company, and talked with him about his friend and fellow folk singer, Bob Dylan.Below is a feature article I wrote which was published in 2003 by the ANTIOCH FORUM Alumni Publication provided by Antioch College and its alumni office: Folk Dancing at Antioch By David Allen ?66 Friday night folk dances in the ?60s at Antioch were by far the most popular single weekly social event on Antioch campus. People disagreed about a lot, but almost everyone liked folk dancing, and the weekly Red Square Folk Dances were attended by hundreds: advanced dancers, beginning dancers, and onlookers. We danced around the tree, which grew in the center of Red Square and was outfitted with floodlights and a single loud speaker. Antioch Community Government sponsored the dances and owned the phonograph record collection used, DJ style, to program the evening?s dances. Typically we did 60 different dances, never repeating a single dance. --------------------- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or WWW.NYCasting.Com. _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From davidallenusa at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 12:06:57 2007 From: davidallenusa at yahoo.com (YAZZ ALLEN) Date: Fri Nov 2 12:08:58 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch needs better lawyers and better PR people! Message-ID: <258712.9028.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The lawyers hammering out the deal with the Antioch trustees have stopped the need PR and publicity Antioch needs to let the world know Antioch is STILL alive and open for business Fall 2008. Only the CHRONICLE OF HIGHER ED has reported the closedown agenda isn't the main thing any more. The rest of the news media are behind the times (see Baltimore SUN article below responding to the Oct. 25-28, 07 Trustees YSO meeting, and proclaiming "Antioch is still in trouble!"). Antioch needs better lawyers and better PR people. What else is new? Nice to hear about the CHRONCLE OF HIGHER ED (which reported that Toni Murdock, in an interview, stated that the closedown is "no longer" the main plan to "save Antioch College," but that's not a main stream news source for people planning college for kids entering in Fall 2008! The Baltimore (MD USA) SUN (which also influences the Wash. DC area) is. The negative SUN article will scare aware possible entrants from the whole MD/ DC area for 2008. Well....time to wait, I guess. When I was a teen ager entering Antioch (1962), the school was widely considered one of America's (and the world's) best small colleges. Being an Antiochian travelling on co-op jobs was like being a rock-star. Kids in colleges everywhere ALL wanted to go to Antioch instead of where they were going. Everybody envied Antiochians. Now.................. Damn! Antioch needs better lawyers and better PR people. Or...it needs to return to a situation where it has neither legal or PR trouble! I read once that good lawyers are never optimistic and are always paranoid! This was part of writing about why Thomas Jefferson was a "good lawyer!" Well.........I'll be happy to get good news....same as other people. If the closedown is "off the table," it would have been good for an announcement to have SAID SO.....the media should have been informed that "people are optimistic about Antioch staying open, a settlement is being reached and agreement is expected soon..".....all THAT. It is so incredible important to REVERSE the media stories about Antioch closing down, ASAP. Below is the text of a Baltimore SUN story which just reinforces the image of Antioch as a "loser" school still on its way to hell! This story could have been stopped if proper public relations had been used. Antioch has had terrible public relations/ press relations problems since the 60's. This needs to change. It's needed to change for 40 years! When "will they ever learn?" I got a copy of the BALTIMORE SUN article about Antioch dated Oct. 28, 07 from a friend of mine who cut it out from his paper, mailed it to me. The article appeared on page 5A and was part of the "Digest" of the NATION's news. Headline: FUTURE STILL UNSURE FOR ANTIOCH COLLEGE Text of article: Yellow Springs, Ohio: Antioch College board members postponed a decision yesterday o whether to reverse their decision to temporarily close the college, telling about 200 alumni, faculty, and students that they'll continue debating for several more days. The 155 year old private liberal arts college announceed in June that because of declining enrollments, heavy dependence on tuition, and a small endowment, it would close after the Spring term, reorganize, and re-open in 2012. On Thursday, the Alumni formally asked the Trustees to reverse their decision, saying they had raised $18 million primarily in pledges to keep the school going. -End of article- ---- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my movie actor photos and recent credits at WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor, "WWW.CastingNetworks.Com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From davidallenusa at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 13:12:16 2007 From: davidallenusa at yahoo.com (YAZZ ALLEN) Date: Fri Nov 2 13:14:12 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Sorry about confusing "Memories Of Antioch In Photos" post! I apologize! Message-ID: <806010.81491.qm@web52010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sorry about confusing "Memories Of Antioch In Photos" post! I apologize! The Antioch Alumni chatline (sadly) doesn't accept photos or graphic images, and what people got was only the text explaining photos not received by the Antioch Alumni Chatline. I had send photos to Antioch friends at personal email addresses, and accidentally sent a copy of the photo package to the Chatline. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa (Antioch Catholics and Latin scholars know what that translates to!). Anyone who wants to see actual photos part of my little "Memories of Antioch in the 1960's" should contact me directly at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com and I'll get the photos direct to your email address, which, unlike the Antioch Chatline, should accept photos! Again, my apologies about sending "photo memories" to the Chatline which did NOT include actual photos I intended to send! Best, Yazz (David) Allen '66 YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com ---- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my movie actor photos and recent credits at WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor, "WWW.CastingNetworks.Com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jdwood5000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 13:49:38 2007 From: jdwood5000 at yahoo.com (j.d.wood) Date: Fri Nov 2 13:51:34 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] NYC Postcard Show opens tomorrow 11/3! Message-ID: <399254.16618.qm@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Antiochians - If you are in the NYC area (or want to take a great road trip), please bring you and your crew to the Postcard Show, opening tomorrow 11/3! Some images from the show are online and more info here: http://casafrela.gourdom.com/gallery/antioch "Greetings from Antioch College - The Postcard Show" November 3 - December 31, 2007 *** Opening night gala 5:00 - 10:00pm *** Casa Frela Gallery in Harlem, NYC 47 West 119th Street (between 5th Ave and Lenox) < < < GETTING THERE > > > 2,3 to 116th is the closest subway stop A,B,C,D,2,3,4,5,6 to 125th for easiest taxi access METRO-NORTH RAILROAD to Harlem/125th (at Park Ave) Hope to see you there! Brought to you by the NYC Antioch College Community Chapter and Casa Frela Gallery __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From marnoldtk at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 13:53:10 2007 From: marnoldtk at yahoo.com (Matthew Arnold) Date: Fri Nov 2 13:55:07 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] NYC Postcard Show opens tomorrow 11/3! Message-ID: <617752.54676.qm@web53404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Also, the Rude Mechanical Orchestra, New York City's radical marching band, will be playing sets at around 6 and 8. ----- Original Message ---- From: j.d.wood To: antioch nyc ; alum chat Sent: Friday, November 2, 2007 1:49:38 PM Subject: [Alumni-chat] NYC Postcard Show opens tomorrow 11/3! Hello Antiochians - If you are in the NYC area (or want to take a great road trip), please bring you and your crew to the Postcard Show, opening tomorrow 11/3! Some images from the show are online and more info here: http://casafrela.gourdom.com/gallery/antioch "Greetings from Antioch College - The Postcard Show" November 3 - December 31, 2007 *** Opening night gala 5:00 - 10:00pm *** Casa Frela Gallery in Harlem, NYC 47 West 119th Street (between 5th Ave and Lenox) < < < GETTING THERE > > > 2,3 to 116th is the closest subway stop A,B,C,D,2,3,4,5,6 to 125th for easiest taxi access METRO-NORTH RAILROAD to Harlem/125th (at Park Ave) Hope to see you there! Brought to you by the NYC Antioch College Community Chapter and Casa Frela Gallery __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From thebangaloreblue at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 19:10:30 2007 From: thebangaloreblue at yahoo.com (TheBangaloreBlue) Date: Fri Nov 2 19:12:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch needs better lawyers and better PR people! In-Reply-To: <258712.9028.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <311858.60278.qm@web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com> what is going on? the "temporary suspension" is off the table? did i miss something?!?!? YAZZ ALLEN wrote: The lawyers hammering out the deal with the Antioch trustees have stopped the need PR and publicity Antioch needs to let the world know Antioch is STILL alive and open for business Fall 2008. Only the CHRONICLE OF HIGHER ED has reported the closedown agenda isn't the main thing any more. The rest of the news media are behind the times (see Baltimore SUN article below responding to the Oct. 25-28, 07 Trustees YSO meeting, and proclaiming "Antioch is still in trouble!"). Antioch needs better lawyers and better PR people. What else is new? Nice to hear about the CHRONCLE OF HIGHER ED (which reported that Toni Murdock, in an interview, stated that the closedown is "no longer" the main plan to "save Antioch College," but that's not a main stream news source for people planning college for kids entering in Fall 2008! The Baltimore (MD USA) SUN (which also influences the Wash. DC area) is. The negative SUN article will scare aware possible entrants from the whole MD/ DC area for 2008. Well....time to wait, I guess. When I was a teen ager entering Antioch (1962), the school was widely considered one of America's (and the world's) best small colleges. Being an Antiochian travelling on co-op jobs was like being a rock-star. Kids in colleges everywhere ALL wanted to go to Antioch instead of where they were going. Everybody envied Antiochians. Now.................. Damn! Antioch needs better lawyers and better PR people. Or...it needs to return to a situation where it has neither legal or PR trouble! I read once that good lawyers are never optimistic and are always paranoid! This was part of writing about why Thomas Jefferson was a "good lawyer!" Well.........I'll be happy to get good news....same as other people. If the closedown is "off the table," it would have been good for an announcement to have SAID SO.....the media should have been informed that "people are optimistic about Antioch staying open, a settlement is being reached and agreement is expected soon..".....all THAT. It is so incredible important to REVERSE the media stories about Antioch closing down, ASAP. Below is the text of a Baltimore SUN story which just reinforces the image of Antioch as a "loser" school still on its way to hell! This story could have been stopped if proper public relations had been used. Antioch has had terrible public relations/ press relations problems since the 60's. This needs to change. It's needed to change for 40 years! When "will they ever learn?" I got a copy of the BALTIMORE SUN article about Antioch dated Oct. 28, 07 from a friend of mine who cut it out from his paper, mailed it to me. The article appeared on page 5A and was part of the "Digest" of the NATION's news. Headline: FUTURE STILL UNSURE FOR ANTIOCH COLLEGE Text of article: Yellow Springs, Ohio: Antioch College board members postponed a decision yesterday o whether to reverse their decision to temporarily close the college, telling about 200 alumni, faculty, and students that they'll continue debating for several more days. The 155 year old private liberal arts college announceed in June that because of declining enrollments, heavy dependence on tuition, and a small endowment, it would close after the Spring term, reorganize, and re-open in 2012. On Thursday, the Alumni formally asked the Trustees to reverse their decision, saying they had raised $18 million primarily in pledges to keep the school going. -End of article- ---- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my movie actor photos and recent credits at WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor, "WWW.CastingNetworks.Com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From j_mhayes at hotmail.com Sat Nov 3 01:04:57 2007 From: j_mhayes at hotmail.com (John Hayes) Date: Sat Nov 3 01:06:55 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Annoucement Sat 11/3 2pm EST Message-ID: >From Antiochians.org: A MESSAGE FROM NANCY CROW, PRESIDENT, ANTIOCH COLLEGE ALUMNI BOARD November 2nd, 2007 / Alumni_Board, announcements A decision has been reached and will be announced Saturday, November 3, 2007 at 2PM EDT.http://antiochians.org/2007/11/02/a-message-from-nancy-crow-president-antioch-college-alumni-board-2/ ----------------------------------------- And from the Forums: Community Meeting saturday 11/3 posted on FirstClass a bit ago by COO/CAO Andrzej Bloch.... Dear Members of Antioch Community, At a special meeting of Antioch Community, I would like to share with you the outcomes of the meeting of the Board of Trustees of Antioch University. The Community meeting will be tomorrow, Saturday Nov. 3 at 2:00 p.m. in McGregor Hall room 113. When asked why he couldn't give the result online, he said it was because the relevant documents would be up on the website by that point http://antiochians.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=22000 --------------------------- Sorry about the formatting, I couldn't get it to change from the copy and paste. -j John M. Hayes '91 From matt at baya.net Sat Nov 3 07:36:27 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Sat Nov 3 07:38:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Announcement Sat 11/3 2pm EST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FYI - THe current plan is to have folks at this meeting providing a live audio streem via http://listen.antiochians.8000/listen.m3u and to also have others live blogging into the forums (and as always they'll be a bunch of us in the AIM 'antiochians' chat room at the time too, IM me at mattbaya (assuming storms dont knock out my power) if you cant manually get to that chat room) and I'll invite you in) -Matt On Nov 3, 2007, at 1:04 AM, John Hayes wrote: >> From Antiochians.org: > > A MESSAGE FROM NANCY CROW, PRESIDENT, ANTIOCH COLLEGE ALUMNI BOARD > November 2nd, 2007 / Alumni_Board, announcements > > A decision has been reached and will be announced Saturday, > November 3, 2007 at 2PM EDT.http://antiochians.org/2007/11/02/a- > message-from-nancy-crow-president-antioch-college-alumni-board-2/ > > ----------------------------------------- > And from the Forums: > > Community Meeting saturday 11/3 > > posted on FirstClass a bit ago by COO/CAO Andrzej Bloch.... > Dear Members of Antioch Community, > > At > a special meeting of Antioch Community, I would like to share with you > the outcomes of the meeting of the Board of Trustees of Antioch > University. The Community meeting will be tomorrow, Saturday Nov. 3 at > 2:00 p.m. in McGregor Hall room 113. > > When > asked why he couldn't give the result online, he said it was because > the relevant documents would be up on the website by that point > > http://antiochians.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=22000 > > --------------------------- > > Sorry about the formatting, I couldn't get it to change from the > copy and paste. > > -j > John M. Hayes > '91 > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From jdwood5000 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 12:30:52 2007 From: jdwood5000 at yahoo.com (j.d.wood) Date: Sat Nov 3 12:32:52 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Postcard Show opens TODAY: reception 5 - 10pm with wine, snacks and friends! Message-ID: <155577.52900.qm@web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The NYC Postcard Show opens TODAY and we're having an opening celebration from 5 - 10pm that will include: -- a marching band -- fabulous Antiochians and friends of Antioch College mingling and reconnecting -- wine and snacks -- fantastic art selling for a fantastic cause Bring your family and friends! Original art is a great gift! Some images from the show are online and more info here: http://casafrela.gourdom.com/gallery/antioch "Greetings from Antioch College - The Postcard Show" November 3 - December 31, 2007 *** Opening night gala 5:00 - 10:00pm *** Casa Frela Gallery in Harlem, NYC 47 West 119th Street (between 5th Ave and Lenox) < < < GETTING THERE > > > 2,3 to 116th is the closest subway stop A,B,C,D,2,3,4,5,6 to 125th for easiest taxi access METRO-NORTH RAILROAD to Harlem/125th (at Park Ave) Hope to see you there! Brought to you by the NYC Antioch College Community Chapter and Casa Frela Gallery __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pas0705 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 13:45:40 2007 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Sat Nov 3 13:47:42 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] liveblog 2pm announcement Message-ID: <413304.6411.qm@web63902.mail.re1.yahoo.com> http://antiochians.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=22003 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mglavin1 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 14:00:20 2007 From: mglavin1 at yahoo.com (Michael Glavin) Date: Sat Nov 3 14:02:22 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Announcement Sat 11/3 2pm EST In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <158545.41619.qm@web60820.mail.yahoo.com> This is the URL: http://listen.antiochians.org:8000/listen.m3u --- Matthew Baya wrote: > FYI - THe current plan is to have folks at this meeting providing a > live audio streem via http://listen.antiochians.8000/listen.m3u and > to also have others live blogging into the forums > > (and as always they'll be a bunch of us in the AIM 'antiochians' chat > room at the time too, IM me at mattbaya (assuming storms dont knock > out my power) if you cant manually get to that chat room) and I'll > invite you in) > > -Matt > > On Nov 3, 2007, at 1:04 AM, John Hayes wrote: > > >> From Antiochians.org: > > > > A MESSAGE FROM NANCY CROW, PRESIDENT, ANTIOCH COLLEGE ALUMNI BOARD > > November 2nd, 2007 / Alumni_Board, announcements > > > > A decision has been reached and will be announced Saturday, > > November 3, 2007 at 2PM EDT.http://antiochians.org/2007/11/02/a- > > message-from-nancy-crow-president-antioch-college-alumni-board-2/ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > And from the Forums: > > > > Community Meeting saturday 11/3 > > > > posted on FirstClass a bit ago by COO/CAO Andrzej Bloch.... > > Dear Members of Antioch Community, > > > > At > > a special meeting of Antioch Community, I would like to share with you > > the outcomes of the meeting of the Board of Trustees of Antioch > > University. The Community meeting will be tomorrow, Saturday Nov. 3 at > > 2:00 p.m. in McGregor Hall room 113. > > > > When > > asked why he couldn't give the result online, he said it was because > > the relevant documents would be up on the website by that point > > > > http://antiochians.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=22000 > > > > --------------------------- > > > > Sorry about the formatting, I couldn't get it to change from the > > copy and paste. > > > > -j > > John M. Hayes > > '91 > > _______________________________________________ > > Alumni-chat mailing list > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From matt at baya.net Sat Nov 3 14:01:51 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Sat Nov 3 14:03:55 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Correct URL for live stream Message-ID: happening right now: http://listen.antiochians.org:8000/listen.m3u From matt at baya.net Sat Nov 3 15:31:04 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Sat Nov 3 15:33:09 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Documents Related to the lifting of the suspension Message-ID: <430DCAAF-59BC-4CBE-B245-C5959088D87C@baya.net> http://antiochians.org/2007/11/03/documents-relating-to-the-lifting- of-the-suspension/ Documents Relating to the Lifting of the Suspension Agreement in Principle - http://antiochians.org/antiochdocs/AB- Documents/Agreement_in_Principal_FINAL.pdf Resolution - http://antiochians.org/antiochdocs/AB-Documents/ 11.2.07.1_RESOLUTION.pdf From matt at baya.net Sat Nov 3 15:58:03 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Sat Nov 3 16:00:07 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Documents Related to the lifting of the suspension In-Reply-To: <430DCAAF-59BC-4CBE-B245-C5959088D87C@baya.net> References: <430DCAAF-59BC-4CBE-B245-C5959088D87C@baya.net> Message-ID: Since those other URLs were too long here it is with tiny URLs Documents Relating to the Lifting of the Suspension Main URL with these links: http://tinyurl.com/32so6a Agreement in Principle - http://tinyurl.com/3az76t Resolution - http://tinyurl.com/34qzg6 From davidallenusa at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 19:29:56 2007 From: davidallenusa at yahoo.com (YAZZ ALLEN) Date: Sat Nov 3 19:31:59 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] $6.6 Million in extortion money demanded in 6 weeks! The crisis is NOT over! Message-ID: <784380.30757.qm@web52009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Nov. 3, 07 Hi from Yazz (David) Allen '66 (YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com)! The crisis continues. It is NOT over, as proclaimed. $6 Million has been demanded in about 6 weeks.....extortionist style. The phony "Financial Exigency" label has NOT been removed. Dr. Toni Phony Murdock has been given a public vote of confidence by the Trustees in the announcement put out today. Toni started this entire mess, sold the package to Trustee Chair Art Zucker '55. She is no hero and deserves no public acclaimation. The failure of the Alumni Board to move IMMEDIATELY (last June) to take the Trustees to court and expel them from further power over Antioch College is a disaster. The willingness of the Alumni Board leadership to get into bed with the rat Trustees has led to the announcement today, and to Antioch's still dark future. This is NOT a day for rejoicing or for shouts of victory. It is a sad day. Extortion has been proclaimed by the Board Of Trustees, and the Alumni Board has not protested, has no plans to call things by their proper name...and to do the right thing....go after the Trustees in court and get them thrown out for malice and incompetence. Sincerely, Yazz (David) Allen '66 YazzAllen@Yahoo.com ---- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my movie actor photos and recent credits at WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor, "WWW.CastingNetworks.Com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From matt at baya.net Sat Nov 3 20:52:49 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Sat Nov 3 20:54:55 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Audio archive of 2 PM meeting about the lifting of suspension Message-ID: <59CC3AA2-240F-4ADD-9E07-7AD690B8B4DE@baya.net> The following is the archive of the live stream from earlier today. Thanks to Tim Noble for recording this and uploading it promptly. http://antiochians.org/antiochdocs/audio/ Lift_suspension_comm_mtg_11_03_2007.mp3 Listen to this while reading Laura Fathauer's live blog of the event at http://antiochians.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=22003 -Matt --- Matthew J. H. Baya 85 Guptill Farm Road, Ellsworth, ME 04605-4109 H: (207) 667-4892 e-mail: matt@baya.net web: http://matt.baya.net/ From david.apter at yale.edu Sat Nov 3 21:45:26 2007 From: david.apter at yale.edu (David Apter) Date: Sat Nov 3 21:47:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] (no subject) Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071103214426.07839448@yale.edu> This reprieve brings temporary relief to those for whom Antioch remains special. But if it is to be more than that and to restore Antioch to something like its earlier luster, it will require a great deal of academic imagination along with some hard thinking about what to learn, how to learn it, and why what is to be learned should be learned. Otherwise it will do little good to simply keep the place going. I hope the powers take this moment for what it is, an opportunity for a fresh look as well as a new start. Properly done my hunch is that there will be money out there for an exciting program and lots of good will as well. Good luck. David E. Apter "50". From dlbahr at hotmail.com Sun Nov 4 00:00:10 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Sun Nov 4 00:02:13 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071103214426.07839448@yale.edu> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071103214426.07839448@yale.edu> Message-ID: Thank you for your words, David Apter. Any academic imagination, you care to share? We have just returned from the first meeting of Minnesota Alumni. Catherine Jordan presented the recent Alumni Board negotiations with Antioch University BoT and Administration--and the AB fund raising efforts and goals. There is much work ahead. Frank Adler also called for a strong academic vision and pulling on the academic expertise within the alumni community to begin development of a vision. Drawing on the alumni expertise could also serve as a symbolic bridge between the "old' and "new" Antioch College. Your name was mentioned as one such alumnus. There is a Vision forum on Antiochians.org. You have to sign-up by going to forums. Once you are logged in you can scroll down to Vision. I hope to read more of your ideas in the near future. What needs to be done first in this new start? Lesley A Pownall Bahr Minnesota > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:45:26 -0400 > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > From: david.apter@yale.edu > Subject: [Alumni-chat] (no subject) > > This reprieve brings temporary relief to those for whom Antioch > remains special. But if it is to be more than that and to restore > Antioch to something like its earlier luster, it will require a great > deal of academic imagination along with some hard thinking about what > to learn, how to learn it, and why what is to be learned should be > learned. Otherwise it will do little good to simply keep the place > going. I hope the powers take this moment for what it is, an > opportunity for a fresh look as well as a new start. Properly done > my hunch is that there will be money out there for an exciting > program and lots of good will as well. Good luck. > > David E. Apter "50". > > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline From dlbahr at hotmail.com Sun Nov 4 01:12:48 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Sun Nov 4 01:14:50 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] 2 Million in 10 Days, WHY? Message-ID: We are told that a "historic moment" has come for Antioch College and that a new collaboration is being forged between the Alumni Board, the BoT, the Chancellor and other key stakeholders. Agreements in Principle between AU BoT and Antioch College Alumni Board have been proposed in a final document dated November 2, 2007. The document states that a "temporary restricted account will be set up." Where? Will this account be part of "the Antioch University Merrill Lynch account that is used for non-endowed investments?" 1) Why does AU need 2 Million dollars within 10 days? 2) Will this "temporary restricted account" be set-up within 10 days? By December 15th, 2007 a total of 6.6 Million dollars is to be paid by the Antioch Alumni Board to Antioch University to be used "solely" for Antioch College. According to the Agreement in principle the 6.6 Million among other things would be used for "repayment of obligations to the University." My chief question: Why can't the University wait for its repayment of obligations until Antioch College regains its strength? What is the rush? What does Antioch College owe Antioch University? I scratch my head in wonder at the twist and turns of this enterprise. What concrete autonomy has been established for Antioch College? Alumni deserve accountability for the funds they are raising in the name of their Alma Mater. Lesley A. Pownall Bahr Minnesota _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From Sistersara at aol.com Sun Nov 4 08:10:37 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Sun Nov 4 08:12:23 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] 2 Million in 10 Days, WHY? Message-ID: Just a few slightly more positive spins on this clear statement of the situation -- from Sistersara In a message dated 11/4/2007 12:13:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, dlbahr@hotmail.com writes: We are told that a "historic moment" has come for Antioch College and that a new collaboration is being forged between the Alumni Board, the BoT, the Chancellor and other key stakeholders. Agreements in Principle between AU BoT and Antioch College Alumni Board have been proposed in a final document dated November 2, 2007. The document states that a "temporary restricted account will be set up." Where? Will this account be part of "the Antioch University Merrill Lynch account that is used for non-endowed investments?" 1) Why does AU need 2 Million dollars within 10 days? 2) Will this "temporary restricted account" be set-up within 10 days? I suspect this is lawyer inspired "good faith" language. They want to know if they are dealing with real Benjamin's. So long as the Alumni Board is totally transparent regarding how and when the funds are transferred, precisely to what account, and has some sort of co-sign authority about any funds removed from that account -- I see no problem. I would have preferred that the Alumni Board had created for itself a Foundation with the sole beneficiary being the college, and able to accrue interest on funds for that Foundation -- but as things stand as long as the details are publicly posted, I don't see a problem. By December 15th, 2007 a total of 6.6 Million dollars is to be paid by the Antioch Alumni Board to Antioch University to be used "solely" for Antioch College. According to the Agreement in principle the 6.6 Million among other things would be used for "repayment of obligations to the University." My chief question: Why can't the University wait for its repayment of obligations until Antioch College regains its strength? What is the rush? What does Antioch College owe Antioch University? Not a whole lot in my opinion -- but the point of this exercise is a reasonably independent College in the future. With the University extracting it's "good faith" pound of flesh, at least one result may be that when formed, the College Board will control the existent Endowment, plus many other assets yet to be negotiated. The key is to make very clear that the Alumni Board is keeping their part of the bargain in good faith -- and that the details are public and as transparent as putting an image of the cashier's checks on line. If one side in this puts the details out in the public arena, then the BoT will have to do likewise. We all know that when sunlight shines on transactions they tend to be a little more clean. I scratch my head in wonder at the twist and turns of this enterprise. What concrete autonomy has been established for Antioch College? Alumni deserve accountability for the funds they are raising in the name of their Alma Mater. Lesley A. Pownall Bahr Minnesota At some point, I hope the Alumni Board will provide a full narrative of the negotiations and once the Faculty Law Suit is ended -- hopefully with a public settlement -- we will also have a chance to see the full horrors of the "books" as some of the Alumni Board were able to see them. As some may remember, they were promised before the Cincinnati Meeting, but not provided because of the Suit. We are told it is very bad -- we don't know how bad. Listening to the campus meeting, I was concerned how many participants seemed to still be wedded to fairly narrow and old disputes -- not understanding that Saving the College and rebuilding is not about keeping anything as it is or was. I keep thinking about that poor guy who was probably prepped for his lethal injection last week, and who got a stay of execution half an hour before his date with the chemicals. That's where we were, and now we have a stay. Good use needs to be made of the time. We need to push the plan. First -- we have rights to get a College Board of Trustees. Let's move that carefully but with a sense of purpose. Clearly, the powers of an AC-BoT are critical. Among other things, control of hiring of Faculty and Faculty Contract decisions ought to be one of them, the control of curriculum ought to be another, and hiring of any College President and his/her job description quite another. Appointment of a College Financial Manager ought to be another AC-BoT responsibility. We will be in a much stronger position once this College BoT is established, and can combine with the Alumni Board to do the necessary planning and fund-raising. We will be even stronger once we have a BoT that can do a search for a high powered President who can lead the institutional reconstruction. The word needs to go out in the networks where such are found -- Reconstruct the College that Horace Mann Founded -- the College that once was in the top five of small, experimental independent Colleges. There are folk out there who know how to do that job -- have the connections to help lay the financial base, and have the drive and ego to get it done. We need to offer initially, a relatively low salary with few benefits, but for success -- (we are a poor, failed, institution, after all), incentives. No more up front financial incentives, and absolutely no more secret golden parachutes. I think the Alumni Board has its hands full with the fund raising requirements right now, but I have another job for them. I think they need to organize a conference of Antiochians in the Academic World, by discipline, to meet, confer, and write working papers on the future curriculum for the reconstructed college. This ought to be a mix of mid-career and senior Antiochians -- but with a leavening of those with something of a futuristic and prophetic bent, who can give hard nosed advice as to how to structure both faculty and a future curriculum in a small Progressive Liberal Arts College. Along with them -- people who are not academics, but are professionals working in their fields. It isn't as if such recommendations need to be precisely followed, but it would be nice to have written guidance from those who understand the Antioch past -- as students -- but who are well experienced, and positioned to look at the future in academic terms. Well -- I have always been a night owl -- but the top story on NPR this Morning is that Antioch will maybe stay open, if the alumni can raise the money. Better than the last NPR story!!! It even beat the declaration of Marshall law in Pakistan. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From david.apter at yale.edu Sun Nov 4 12:51:13 2007 From: david.apter at yale.edu (David Apter) Date: Sun Nov 4 13:15:09 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] (no subject) Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071104124723.07486598@yale.edu> Dear Lesley A. Pownall Bahr, Since you ask let me send you something I tried to circulate for starters a while back even though it got nowhere. Even if it is probably silly to try again here goes. >A good deal of what made Antioch different in my day (immediate >post-war two) is now pretty wide spread throughout the American >university system. My teaching experience, Northwestern, University >of Chicago, Berkeley, Yale has been comfortable for the most part >because of the universalization on these very diverse university >campuses of the very virtues that once set Antioch apart. Think >Yale fifty years ago..... > >Which suggests that much of what was unique about Antioch, although >certainly not everything, is well, no longer unique. Students >everywhere do work, take time off, travel. An amazing proportion >contribute to local self help projects in the community. Many hold >jobs part time. If so what does this tell us about opportunities >for Antioch? Can there be an interesting and legitimate role for an >Antioch of the future given the range of institutional >alternatives? These are questions that inspires me to play with >some ideas based in part on my Antioch experience as well as in more >conventional institutions. As I see it the more general problem is this. One of the difficulties facing those who would design a suitable educational curriculum, (one that would be attractive to students making choices), is the problem of learning, absorbing, interpreting. To really understand the materials imposed on most students today given the extraordinary build up of essential and required knowledge, has made a good deal of higher education a strategy game, the markers of which are grades, recommendations, etc. This is perfectly understandable given sheer volume of what it is necessary to know. Not only do such conditions impose extraordinary burdens on students and faculty alike but choosing and selecting often means loss of what has been known - so that it is often the case, especially in the social sciences, that the wheel gets reinvented again and again, even though the discourse shifts. One way of dealing with the problem has been the increasingly widespread use of interdiscplinary courses something which for a variety of reasons seems to make particular sense at Antioch. However, (and even though I have recently won an international prize for interdisciplinary research and yield to no one in support of it), I doubt that that is in itself more than a question begging solution. Mostly such courses are just just watered down, thin stuff from several disciplines. If so, what might be needed for enrichment? What is required to stimulate the tension and even passion that might make learning truly interesting and educationally more inspiring and not subject to short cuts and beat the system strategies? >Here are some ideas off the top of my head. Suppose instead of >simply restoring the work study program a new program was >established, one that focussed on field research. My own experience >of such projects is in the social sciences, but the physical >sciences, the arts and humanities are if anything even more rich in >opportunities. Suppose that aiming to do that field work well would >become the center piece of an Antioch education. Suppose that by >mobilzing the necessary back-ground knowledge one placed >considerable emphasis on learning theory design, organizing what one >learned and might do research on into a framework that would make >the research theoretically interesting and empirically doable. If >that kind of structure was to form the backdrop and substance of the >Antioch experience then a junior year might be a field study year, >whether in this country or abroad, and in whatever specialty a >student finds attractive and stimulating. Suppose too, that one's >senior year would involve both reflection on the wider implications >of what was learned before field work and experience of doing it in >terms of the empirical generalization of the findings or the larger >philosophical, moral, ethical, or artistic implications of what has >been accomplished. My point would be to focus early, organize >knowledge in terms of learning by doing, with some of the doing >being real field work. And just think how far ahead students would >be if and when they a) entered the job market, or b) went on to >graduate school. > >Of course I myself can immediately voice objections. Would students >have to choose before they were capable of it? Would such a focus >or emphasis exclude too much from a balanced educational >program? Would such an emphasis generate early professionalization >at the expense of intellectual curiosity? And above all who would >pay for it? There are lots of others. But the central idea behind >this suggestion is that institutions of higher education rarely >confront the fact that in a world so complex, and so multiiple, and >where the sheer building up of essential theory and knowledge is so >overwhelming, there is a growing need is for quite new strategies of >learning rather than strategies of survival - or just moving the >knowledge chips around in the same board game and calling it reform > >Antioch's near demise tells us something about how far ahead it once >was, and how much higher education caught up. It also suggests >opportunities for a next round that an Antioch, or some other >experimental college of the future might entertain. What I envisage >would be intensely serious, requiring committed students and >faculty, around ideals not only of learning but of knowledge as >experience - all of which is in keeping with Antioch's tradition. I should add that I see this as a four year program, two years intensive course and seminar work, one year field work, one senior writeup and analysis year. Back in my day Antioch was five years. But I think this unrealistic now. These are only a few thoughts to throw into what I hope will be a very diverse hopper. David E. Apter Henry J. Heinz II Professor Emeritus of Comparative Political and Social Development Yale University From david.apter at yale.edu Sun Nov 4 12:14:05 2007 From: david.apter at yale.edu (David Apter) Date: Sun Nov 4 13:15:13 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] (no subject) Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071104121401.071a0eb0@yale.edu> Dear Lesley A. Pownall Bahr, Since you ask let me send you something I tried to circulate for starters a while back even though it got nowhere. Even if it is probably silly to try again here goes. >A good deal of what made Antioch different in my >day (immediate post-war two) is now pretty wide >spread throughout the American university >system. My teaching experience, Northwestern, >University of Chicago, Berkeley, Yale has been >comfortable for the most part because of the >universalization on these very diverse >university campuses of the very virtues that >once set Antioch apart. Think Yale fifty years ago..... > >Which suggests that much of what was unique >about Antioch, although certainly not >everything, is well, no longer unique. Students >everywhere do work, take time off, travel. An >amazing proportion contribute to local self help >projects in the community. Many hold jobs part >time. If so what does this tell us about >opportunities for Antioch? Can there be an >interesting and legitimate role for an Antioch >of the future given the range of institutional >alternatives? These are questions that inspires >me to play with some ideas based in part on my >Antioch experience as well as in more conventional institutions. As I see it the more general problem is this. One of the difficulties facing those who would design a suitable educational curriculum, (one that would be attractive to students making choices), is the problem of learning, absorbing, interpreting. To really understand the materials imposed on most students today given the extraordinary build up of essential and required knowledge, has made a good deal of higher education a strategy game, the markers of which are grades, recommendations, etc. This is perfectly understandable given sheer volume of what it is necessary to know. Not only do such conditions impose extraordinary burdens on students and faculty alike but choosing and selecting often means loss of what has been known - so that it is often the case, especially in the social sciences, that the wheel gets reinvented again and again, even though the discourse shifts. One way of dealing with the problem has been the increasingly widespread use of interdiscplinary courses something which for a variety of reasons seems to make particular sense at Antioch. However, (and even though I have recently won an international prize for interdisciplinary research and yield to no one in support of it), I doubt that that is in itself more than a question begging solution. Mostly such courses are just just watered down, thin stuff from several disciplines. If so, what might be needed for enrichment? What is required to stimulate the tension and even passion that might make learning truly interesting and educationally more inspiring and not subject to short cuts and beat the system strategies? >Here are some ideas off the top of my >head. Suppose instead of simply restoring the >work study program a new program was >established, one that focussed on field >research. My own experience of such projects is >in the social sciences, but the physical >sciences, the arts and humanities are if >anything even more rich in >opportunities. Suppose that aiming to do that >field work well would become the center piece of >an Antioch education. Suppose that by mobilzing >the necessary back-ground knowledge one placed >considerable emphasis on learning theory design, >organizing what one learned and might do >research on into a framework that would make the >research theoretically interesting and >empirically doable. If that kind of structure >was to form the backdrop and substance of the >Antioch experience then a junior year might be a >field study year, whether in this country or >abroad, and in whatever specialty a student >finds attractive and stimulating. Suppose too, >that one's senior year would involve both >reflection on the wider implications of what was >learned before field work and experience of >doing it in terms of the empirical >generalization of the findings or the larger >philosophical, moral, ethical, or artistic >implications of what has been accomplished. My >point would be to focus early, organize >knowledge in terms of learning by doing, with >some of the doing being real field work. And >just think how far ahead students would be if >and when they a) entered the job market, or b) went on to graduate school. > >Of course I myself can immediately voice >objections. Would students have to choose >before they were capable of it? Would such a >focus or emphasis exclude too much from a >balanced educational program? Would such an >emphasis generate early professionalization at >the expense of intellectual curiosity? And >above all who would pay for it? There are lots >of others. But the central idea behind this >suggestion is that institutions of higher >education rarely confront the fact that in a >world so complex, and so multiiple, and where >the sheer building up of essential theory and >knowledge is so overwhelming, there is a growing >need is for quite new strategies of learning >rather than strategies of survival - or just >moving the knowledge chips around in the same board game and calling it reform > >Antioch's near demise tells us something about >how far ahead it once was, and how much higher >education caught up. It also suggests >opportunities for a next round that an Antioch, >or some other experimental college of the future >might entertain. What I envisage would be >intensely serious, requiring committed students >and faculty, around ideals not only of learning >but of knowledge as experience - all of which is >in keeping with Antioch's tradition. These are only a few thoughts to throw into what I hope will be a very diverse hopper. David E. Apter Henry J. Heinz II Professor Emeritus of Comparative Political and Social Development Yale University At 12:00 AM 11/4/2007, you wrote: >Thank you for your words, David Apter. >Any academic imagination, you care to share? > >We have just returned from the first meeting of >Minnesota Alumni. Catherine Jordan presented >the recent Alumni Board negotiations with >Antioch University BoT and Administration--and >the AB fund raising efforts and goals. There is >much work ahead. Frank Adler also called for a >strong academic vision and pulling on the >academic expertise within the alumni community >to begin development of a vision. Drawing on >the alumni expertise could also serve as a >symbolic bridge between the "old' and "new" >Antioch College. Your name was mentioned as one such alumnus. > >There is a Vision forum on Antiochians.org. You >have to sign-up by going to forums. Once you >are logged in you can scroll down to Vision. I >hope to read more of your ideas in the near >future. What needs to be done first in this new start? > >Lesley A Pownall Bahr >Minnesota > > > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:45:26 -0400 > > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > From: david.apter@yale.edu > > Subject: [Alumni-chat] (no subject) > > > > This reprieve brings temporary relief to those for whom Antioch > > remains special. But if it is to be more than that and to restore > > Antioch to something like its earlier luster, it will require a great > > deal of academic imagination along with some hard thinking about what > > to learn, how to learn it, and why what is to be learned should be > > learned. Otherwise it will do little good to simply keep the place > > going. I hope the powers take this moment for what it is, an > > opportunity for a fresh look as well as a new start. Properly done > > my hunch is that there will be money out there for an exciting > > program and lots of good will as well. Good luck. > > > > David E. Apter "50". > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Alumni-chat mailing list > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at >the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. >http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From david.apter at yale.edu Sun Nov 4 12:11:32 2007 From: david.apter at yale.edu (David Apter) Date: Sun Nov 4 13:15:46 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071103214426.07839448@yale.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071104113309.07152948@yale.edu> Dear Lesley A. Pownall Bahr, Since you ask let me send you something I tried to circulate for starters a while back even though it got nowhere. Even if it is probably silly to try again here goes. >A good deal of what made Antioch different in my >day (immediate post-war two) is now pretty wide >spread throughout the American university >system. My teaching experience, Northwestern, >University of Chicago, Berkeley, Yale has been >comfortable for the most part because of the >universalization on these very diverse >university campuses of the very virtues that >once set Antioch apart. Think Yale fifty years ago..... > >Which suggests that much of what was unique >about Antioch, although certainly not >everything, is well, no longer unique. Students >everywhere do work, take time off, travel. An >amazing proportion contribute to local self help >projects in the community. Many hold jobs part >time. If so what does this tell us about >opportunities for Antioch? Can there be an >interesting and legitimate role for an Antioch >of the future given the range of institutional >alternatives? These are questions that inspires >me to play with some ideas based in part on my >Antioch experience as well as in more conventional institutions. As I see it the more general problem is this. One of the difficulties facing those who would design a suitable educational curriculum, (one that would be attractive to students making choices), is the problem of learning, absorbing, interpreting. To really understand the materials imposed on most students today given the extraordinary build up of essential and required knowledge, has made a good deal of higher education a strategy game, the markers of which are grades, recommendations, etc. This is perfectly understandable given sheer volume of what it is necessary to know. Not only do such conditions impose extraordinary burdens on students and faculty alike but choosing and selecting often means loss of what has been known - so that it is often the case, especially in the social sciences, that the wheel gets reinvented again and again, even though the discourse shifts. One way of dealing with the problem has been the increasingly widespread use of interdiscplinary courses something which for a variety of reasons seems to make particular sense at Antioch. However, (and even though I have recently won an international prize for interdisciplinary research and yield to no one in support of it), I doubt that that is in itself more than a question begging solution. Mostly such courses are just just watered down, thin stuff from several disciplines. If so, what might be needed for enrichment? What is required to stimulate the tension and even passion that might make learning truly interesting and educationally more inspiring and not subject to short cuts and beat the system strategies? >Here are some ideas off the top of my >head. Suppose instead of simply restoring the >work study program a new program was >established, one that focussed on field >research. My own experience of such projects is >in the social sciences, but the physical >sciences, the arts and humanities are if >anything even more rich in >opportunities. Suppose that aiming to do that >field work well would become the center piece of >an Antioch education. Suppose that by mobilzing >the necessary back-ground knowledge one placed >considerable emphasis on learning theory design, >organizing what one learned and might do >research on into a framework that would make the >research theoretically interesting and >empirically doable. If that kind of structure >was to form the backdrop and substance of the >Antioch experience then a junior year might be a >field study year, whether in this country or >abroad, and in whatever specialty a student >finds attractive and stimulating. Suppose too, >that one's senior year would involve both >reflection on the wider implications of what was >learned before field work and experience of >doing it in terms of the empirical >generalization of the findings or the larger >philosophical, moral, ethical, or artistic >implications of what has been accomplished. My >point would be to focus early, organize >knowledge in terms of learning by doing, with >some of the doing being real field work. And >just think how far ahead students would be if >and when they a) entered the job market, or b) went on to graduate school. > >Of course I myself can immediately voice >objections. Would students have to choose >before they were capable of it? Would such a >focus or emphasis exclude too much from a >balanced educational program? Would such an >emphasis generate early professionalization at >the expense of intellectual curiosity? And >above all who would pay for it? There are lots >of others. But the central idea behind this >suggestion is that institutions of higher >education rarely confront the fact that in a >world so complex, and so multiiple, and where >the sheer building up of essential theory and >knowledge is so overwhelming, there is a growing >need is for quite new strategies of learning >rather than strategies of survival - or just >moving the knowledge chips around in the same board game and calling it reform > >Antioch's near demise tells us something about >how far ahead it once was, and how much higher >education caught up. It also suggests >opportunities for a next round that an Antioch, >or some other experimental college of the future >might entertain. What I envisage would be >intensely serious, requiring committed students >and faculty, around ideals not only of learning >but of knowledge as experience - all of which is >in keeping with Antioch's tradition. These are only a few thoughts to throw into what I hope will be a very diverse hopper. David E. Apter Henry J. Heinz II Professor Emeritus of Comparative Political and Social Development Yale University At 12:00 AM 11/4/2007, you wrote: >Thank you for your words, David Apter. >Any academic imagination, you care to share? > >We have just returned from the first meeting of >Minnesota Alumni. Catherine Jordan presented >the recent Alumni Board negotiations with >Antioch University BoT and Administration--and >the AB fund raising efforts and goals. There is >much work ahead. Frank Adler also called for a >strong academic vision and pulling on the >academic expertise within the alumni community >to begin development of a vision. Drawing on >the alumni expertise could also serve as a >symbolic bridge between the "old' and "new" >Antioch College. Your name was mentioned as one such alumnus. > >There is a Vision forum on Antiochians.org. You >have to sign-up by going to forums. Once you >are logged in you can scroll down to Vision. I >hope to read more of your ideas in the near >future. What needs to be done first in this new start? > >Lesley A Pownall Bahr >Minnesota > > > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:45:26 -0400 > > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > From: david.apter@yale.edu > > Subject: [Alumni-chat] (no subject) > > > > This reprieve brings temporary relief to those for whom Antioch > > remains special. But if it is to be more than that and to restore > > Antioch to something like its earlier luster, it will require a great > > deal of academic imagination along with some hard thinking about what > > to learn, how to learn it, and why what is to be learned should be > > learned. Otherwise it will do little good to simply keep the place > > going. I hope the powers take this moment for what it is, an > > opportunity for a fresh look as well as a new start. Properly done > > my hunch is that there will be money out there for an exciting > > program and lots of good will as well. Good luck. > > > > David E. Apter "50". > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Alumni-chat mailing list > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at >the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. >http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From davidallenusa at yahoo.com Sun Nov 4 14:46:51 2007 From: davidallenusa at yahoo.com (YAZZ ALLEN) Date: Sun Nov 4 14:48:33 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Reply to Dr. David Apter's words about Antioch College then and now...added thoughts, respectfully offered! Message-ID: <161349.52933.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Nov. 4, 07 Hi from Yazz (David Roger) Allen '66 (YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com)~ I read with great interest Dr. David Apter's (Emeritus Professor from Yale U.) detailed and well reasoned comments about Antioch College and changes in recent decades on the higher ed scene which appear to have made non-Antioch school nearer to Antioch than was the case years ago. Yes, the Yale U. of 40 years ago was different than the Yale of today (I was an Antioch co-op student in Fall of 1964 at Yale Medical School.....the same semester then young George W. Bush entered Yale College as a freshman from Phillips Andover Academy....I crashed mixer dances with fellow Antioch New Haven CN co-ops Yalees held with visiting 7 sisters colleges co-eds young Bush likely also attended). With respect, I wanted to express my opinion that Antioch students in the present day are quite different in mentality and personal goals than "typical" college kids elsewhere, even ones who engage in off-campus work and internships, community service, etc. I've had the change to meet Antioch students of recent times at Wash. DC area alumni meetings current students and recent Antioch grads also attended, and I've also visited the YSO campus a number of times in recent years, met with current students there. These Antioch kids are (delightfully and refreshingly) different than college students I've met attending non-Antioch schools. They are not swept in up in careerism, they are not apathetic regarding politics and the need and opportunity for social action, they are quick to relate both classic and pop culture experiences all college kids learn about to their own lives and issues facing the wider world. It isn't just a question of the education they get. It's about the education they came to get when they chose Antioch. People who chose Antioch are different. They have plans for learning they get others don't have, goals others don't have. Higher education isn't only about what is served up to students, what they're told to do, and what they actually do. It's about who the kids are in the first place. That makes all the difference in the "mix," and what happens when the kids emerge from college at the end of the pipeline and get their BA. Yale was filled with George W. Bush types in 1964 (from big money, fancy prep schools, guaranteed sinecures after schooling was over, etc.). It probably still is and so are other schools which seem more "Antiochian" now than decades ago. But I would submit that if Antioch "types" (and such a thing...such a person..DOES indeed exist) aren't part of the educational mix, both the atmosphere of the campus experience/ undergrad experience isn't the same, nor are the results after kids are jettisoned into "the real world." Antiochians go on to do things others don't do, usually, or desire to do. The "typical Antioch experience" (during undergrad years) is accompanied and followed by "the typical Antioch result" in life after college. I've stayed in contact with Antiochians since I got my BA there in 1966, and..."you can always tell an Antiochian" ("but you can't tell him much!!".....sorry, couldn't resist that!). Well....some stream of consciousness comments about why, in my opinion, Antioch College, truly is unique, and always will be. There's a tradition, probably dating from Horace Mann's time, of idealism and aspiration to creativity in life and "doing things better by doing things differently" just not found elsewhere. Even Antioch's worst (George Will type) enemies and detractors always admit that grudgingly, and it's true. Best wishes always, Yazz (David Roger) Allen '66 (YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com) ---- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my movie actor photos and recent credits at WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor, "WWW.CastingNetworks.Com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dlbahr at hotmail.com Sun Nov 4 15:59:27 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Sun Nov 4 16:01:07 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20071104113309.07152948@yale.edu> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071103214426.07839448@yale.edu> <7.0.1.0.1.20071104113309.07152948@yale.edu> Message-ID: Dear David Apter: Thank you for sharing your ideas a second time. Let us hope it is not a silly exercise. I like the idea of more build-up and focus on a field study project. I appreciate your weigh in on the pros and cons of such a model. This is food for thought and discussion. I agree that the experiential aspect of Antioch needs to be better honed and integrated with the academics. A focus on a junior year field project where theory is applied is a great idea! However, a first year six month co-op can be transformational for an eighteen or nineteen year old student. My freshman year, I studied in Yellow Springs for six months and then worked for six months in Seattle in a field I strongly wanted to explore (Clinical Psychology--Day Treatment including interdisciplinary treatment modalities such as art and dance therapy). Having six months in a urban center after six months in Yellow Springs was a great experience. However, when I came back from Seattle ripe with new experience and much buzzing in my head--there was very little integration or avenue to articulate what I had learned on co-op. Yes, I did a paper and got credit but it was never integrated into my academic planning or into a structured sharing with others of what I had learned. If there had been an opportunity for deeper research based on what I had experienced working in Seattle; I might have gone for an interdisciplinary approach--there was not the structure and academic focus to consider this. Despite my interest in the interdisciplinary field of Art Therapy--I instead focused on a traditional BFA because not only were the academics watered down but so was the professional practice of Art Therapy. (Ironically another intern in the Day Treatment program where I co-oped was a masters candidate at Antioch Seattle in Art Therapy--it was her lack of insight that pushed me towards a BFA rather than crafting an interdisciplinary degree involving arts and the social sciences.) Of course mine is just one story. It would be interesting to gather others experiences of the balance between co-op, academic study, and interdisciplinary studies/research across various generations of Antiochians. What worked for some? What has not worked? What are the pros and cons? It might be interesting to have a work experience in the field of interest before a field study. Perhaps this first work experience could be complimented with coursework at another University particularly if the first co-op was in a urban center--to continue the initial foundational study. Or what about online coursework? Academic vision, commitment, skilled advising would be critical to successful implementation of such a program. In order for field research to be successful it would also take faculty with research experience and a rigorous commitment to the academic program. Good to read your words. Sincerely, Lesley A Pownall Bahr '83 > Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:11:32 -0500 > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > From: david.apter@yale.edu > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] (no subject) > > Dear Lesley A. Pownall Bahr, > > Since you ask let me send you something I tried > to circulate for starters a while back even > though it got nowhere. Even if it is probably silly to try again here goes. > > >A good deal of what made Antioch different in my > >day (immediate post-war two) is now pretty wide > >spread throughout the American university > >system. My teaching experience, Northwestern, > >University of Chicago, Berkeley, Yale has been > >comfortable for the most part because of the > >universalization on these very diverse > >university campuses of the very virtues that > >once set Antioch apart. Think Yale fifty years ago..... > > > >Which suggests that much of what was unique > >about Antioch, although certainly not > >everything, is well, no longer unique. Students > >everywhere do work, take time off, travel. An > >amazing proportion contribute to local self help > >projects in the community. Many hold jobs part > >time. If so what does this tell us about > >opportunities for Antioch? Can there be an > >interesting and legitimate role for an Antioch > >of the future given the range of institutional > >alternatives? These are questions that inspires > >me to play with some ideas based in part on my > >Antioch experience as well as in more conventional institutions. > > As I see it the more general problem is > this. One of the difficulties facing those who > would design a suitable educational curriculum, > (one that would be attractive to students making > choices), is the problem of learning, absorbing, > interpreting. To really understand the materials > imposed on most students today given the > extraordinary build up of essential and required > knowledge, has made a good deal of higher > education a strategy game, the markers of which > are grades, recommendations, etc. This is > perfectly understandable given sheer volume of > what it is necessary to know. Not only do such > conditions impose extraordinary burdens on > students and faculty alike but choosing and > selecting often means loss of what has been known > - so that it is often the case, especially in the > social sciences, that the wheel gets reinvented > again and again, even though the discourse > shifts. One way of dealing with the problem has > been the increasingly widespread use of > interdiscplinary courses something which for a > variety of reasons seems to make particular sense > at Antioch. However, (and even though I have > recently won an international prize for > interdisciplinary research and yield to no one in > support of it), I doubt that that is in itself > more than a question begging solution. Mostly > such courses are just just watered down, thin > stuff from several disciplines. If so, what might > be needed for enrichment? What is required to > stimulate the tension and even passion that might > make learning truly interesting and educationally > more inspiring and not subject to short cuts and beat the system strategies? > > >Here are some ideas off the top of my > >head. Suppose instead of simply restoring the > >work study program a new program was > >established, one that focussed on field > >research. My own experience of such projects is > >in the social sciences, but the physical > >sciences, the arts and humanities are if > >anything even more rich in > >opportunities. Suppose that aiming to do that > >field work well would become the center piece of > >an Antioch education. Suppose that by mobilzing > >the necessary back-ground knowledge one placed > >considerable emphasis on learning theory design, > >organizing what one learned and might do > >research on into a framework that would make the > >research theoretically interesting and > >empirically doable. If that kind of structure > >was to form the backdrop and substance of the > >Antioch experience then a junior year might be a > >field study year, whether in this country or > >abroad, and in whatever specialty a student > >finds attractive and stimulating. Suppose too, > >that one's senior year would involve both > >reflection on the wider implications of what was > >learned before field work and experience of > >doing it in terms of the empirical > >generalization of the findings or the larger > >philosophical, moral, ethical, or artistic > >implications of what has been accomplished. My > >point would be to focus early, organize > >knowledge in terms of learning by doing, with > >some of the doing being real field work. And > >just think how far ahead students would be if > >and when they a) entered the job market, or b) went on to graduate school. > > > >Of course I myself can immediately voice > >objections. Would students have to choose > >before they were capable of it? Would such a > >focus or emphasis exclude too much from a > >balanced educational program? Would such an > >emphasis generate early professionalization at > >the expense of intellectual curiosity? And > >above all who would pay for it? There are lots > >of others. But the central idea behind this > >suggestion is that institutions of higher > >education rarely confront the fact that in a > >world so complex, and so multiiple, and where > >the sheer building up of essential theory and > >knowledge is so overwhelming, there is a growing > >need is for quite new strategies of learning > >rather than strategies of survival - or just > >moving the knowledge chips around in the same board game and calling it reform > > > >Antioch's near demise tells us something about > >how far ahead it once was, and how much higher > >education caught up. It also suggests > >opportunities for a next round that an Antioch, > >or some other experimental college of the future > >might entertain. What I envisage would be > >intensely serious, requiring committed students > >and faculty, around ideals not only of learning > >but of knowledge as experience - all of which is > >in keeping with Antioch's tradition. > > > These are only a few thoughts to throw into what > I hope will be a very diverse hopper. > > David E. Apter > Henry J. Heinz II Professor Emeritus of > Comparative Political and Social Development > Yale University > > > > At 12:00 AM 11/4/2007, you wrote: > > >Thank you for your words, David Apter. > >Any academic imagination, you care to share? > > > >We have just returned from the first meeting of > >Minnesota Alumni. Catherine Jordan presented > >the recent Alumni Board negotiations with > >Antioch University BoT and Administration--and > >the AB fund raising efforts and goals. There is > >much work ahead. Frank Adler also called for a > >strong academic vision and pulling on the > >academic expertise within the alumni community > >to begin development of a vision. Drawing on > >the alumni expertise could also serve as a > >symbolic bridge between the "old' and "new" > >Antioch College. Your name was mentioned as one such alumnus. > > > >There is a Vision forum on Antiochians.org. You > >have to sign-up by going to forums. Once you > >are logged in you can scroll down to Vision. I > >hope to read more of your ideas in the near > >future. What needs to be done first in this new start? > > > >Lesley A Pownall Bahr > >Minnesota > > > > > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:45:26 -0400 > > > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > > From: david.apter@yale.edu > > > Subject: [Alumni-chat] (no subject) > > > > > > This reprieve brings temporary relief to those for whom Antioch > > > remains special. But if it is to be more than that and to restore > > > Antioch to something like its earlier luster, it will require a great > > > deal of academic imagination along with some hard thinking about what > > > to learn, how to learn it, and why what is to be learned should be > > > learned. Otherwise it will do little good to simply keep the place > > > going. I hope the powers take this moment for what it is, an > > > opportunity for a fresh look as well as a new start. Properly done > > > my hunch is that there will be money out there for an exciting > > > program and lots of good will as well. Good luck. > > > > > > David E. Apter "50". > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Alumni-chat mailing list > > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at > >the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. > >http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline_______________________________________________ > >Alumni-chat mailing list > >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook ? together at last. ?Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 From dlbahr at hotmail.com Sun Nov 4 16:12:34 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Sun Nov 4 16:14:13 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] 2 Million in 10 Days, WHY? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sistersara--thanks for your positive spins. Always good to read your words. We missed your voice and presence at the MN Alumni meeting last night. We do hope to cross paths with you one of these days! I love the idea of a conference of Antiochian Academics. Let's get a list started. What would be our dream list of successful Antiochian Academics? Let us get a list going. David Apter and Mark Strand were two names mentioned. In the past, the name Peter Irons has been mentioned. Let's begin to get a dream list going of successful Antiochians with expertise in academics. I hope a few rubberneckers might be allowed to listen in, if we pay our fees to attend. Warm wishes to you, Lesley A. Pownall Bahr '83 Buffalo, Minnesota > From: Sistersara@aol.com > Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:10:37 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] 2 Million in 10 Days, WHY? > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > Just a few slightly more positive spins on this clear statement of the > situation -- from Sistersara > > In a message dated 11/4/2007 12:13:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, > dlbahr@hotmail.com writes: > > We are told that a "historic moment" has come for Antioch College and that a > new collaboration is being forged between the Alumni Board, the BoT, the > Chancellor and other key stakeholders. Agreements in Principle between AU BoT > and Antioch College Alumni Board have been proposed in a final document dated > November 2, 2007. > > The document states that a "temporary restricted account will be set up." > Where? Will this account be part of "the Antioch University Merrill Lynch > account that is used for non-endowed investments?" > > 1) Why does AU need 2 Million dollars within 10 days? > 2) Will this "temporary restricted account" be set-up within 10 days? > > I suspect this is lawyer inspired "good faith" language. They want to know > if they are dealing with real Benjamin's. So long as the Alumni Board is > totally transparent regarding how and when the funds are transferred, precisely > to what account, and has some sort of co-sign authority about any funds > removed from that account -- I see no problem. I would have preferred that the > Alumni Board had created for itself a Foundation with the sole beneficiary > being the college, and able to accrue interest on funds for that Foundation -- > but as things stand as long as the details are publicly posted, I don't see a > problem. > > > By December 15th, 2007 a total of 6.6 Million dollars is to be paid by the > Antioch Alumni Board to Antioch University to be used "solely" for Antioch > College. > > According to the Agreement in principle the 6.6 Million among other things > would be used for "repayment of obligations to the University." > > My chief question: Why can't the University wait for its repayment of > obligations until Antioch College regains its strength? What is the rush? What > does Antioch College owe Antioch University? > Not a whole lot in my opinion -- but the point of this exercise is a > reasonably independent College in the future. With the University extracting it's > "good faith" pound of flesh, at least one result may be that when formed, the > College Board will control the existent Endowment, plus many other assets yet > to be negotiated. The key is to make very clear that the Alumni Board is > keeping their part of the bargain in good faith -- and that the details are > public and as transparent as putting an image of the cashier's checks on line. > If one side in this puts the details out in the public arena, then the BoT > will have to do likewise. We all know that when sunlight shines on > transactions they tend to be a little more clean. > > > > I scratch my head in wonder at the twist and turns of this enterprise. > What concrete autonomy has been established for Antioch College? Alumni > deserve accountability for the funds they are raising in the name of their Alma > Mater. > > Lesley A. Pownall Bahr > Minnesota > > > At some point, I hope the Alumni Board will provide a full narrative of the > negotiations and once the Faculty Law Suit is ended -- hopefully with a > public settlement -- we will also have a chance to see the full horrors of the > "books" as some of the Alumni Board were able to see them. As some may > remember, they were promised before the Cincinnati Meeting, but not provided because > of the Suit. We are told it is very bad -- we don't know how bad. > > Listening to the campus meeting, I was concerned how many participants > seemed to still be wedded to fairly narrow and old disputes -- not understanding > that Saving the College and rebuilding is not about keeping anything as it is > or was. I keep thinking about that poor guy who was probably prepped for his > lethal injection last week, and who got a stay of execution half an hour > before his date with the chemicals. That's where we were, and now we have a > stay. Good use needs to be made of the time. > > We need to push the plan. First -- we have rights to get a College Board of > Trustees. Let's move that carefully but with a sense of purpose. Clearly, > the powers of an AC-BoT are critical. Among other things, control of hiring > of Faculty and Faculty Contract decisions ought to be one of them, the > control of curriculum ought to be another, and hiring of any College President and > his/her job description quite another. Appointment of a College Financial > Manager ought to be another AC-BoT responsibility. We will be in a much > stronger position once this College BoT is established, and can combine with the > Alumni Board to do the necessary planning and fund-raising. > > We will be even stronger once we have a BoT that can do a search for a high > powered President who can lead the institutional reconstruction. The word > needs to go out in the networks where such are found -- Reconstruct the College > that Horace Mann Founded -- the College that once was in the top five of > small, experimental independent Colleges. There are folk out there who know how > to do that job -- have the connections to help lay the financial base, and > have the drive and ego to get it done. We need to offer initially, a > relatively low salary with few benefits, but for success -- (we are a poor, failed, > institution, after all), incentives. No more up front financial incentives, > and absolutely no more secret golden parachutes. > > I think the Alumni Board has its hands full with the fund raising > requirements right now, but I have another job for them. I think they need to organize > a conference of Antiochians in the Academic World, by discipline, to meet, > confer, and write working papers on the future curriculum for the > reconstructed college. This ought to be a mix of mid-career and senior Antiochians -- > but with a leavening of those with something of a futuristic and prophetic > bent, who can give hard nosed advice as to how to structure both faculty and a > future curriculum in a small Progressive Liberal Arts College. Along with them > -- people who are not academics, but are professionals working in their > fields. It isn't as if such recommendations need to be precisely followed, but > it would be nice to have written guidance from those who understand the > Antioch past -- as students -- but who are well experienced, and positioned to > look at the future in academic terms. > > Well -- I have always been a night owl -- but the top story on NPR this > Morning is that Antioch will maybe stay open, if the alumni can raise the money. > Better than the last NPR story!!! It even beat the declaration of Marshall > law in Pakistan. > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline From davidallenusa at yahoo.com Sun Nov 4 19:44:52 2007 From: davidallenusa at yahoo.com (YAZZ ALLEN) Date: Sun Nov 4 19:46:31 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Jon Tourtellot, Antioch '67, ranks World Heritage Sites best-to-worst, for Nat. Geographic Soc. Message-ID: <363539.81785.qm@web52002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Nov. 4, 07 Hi from Yazz (David) Allen '66 (YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com)! I've been trying to forget about the terms connected with the "re-opening" of Antioch, and was doing reading about the World Heritage Sites proclaimed by the UN starting in 1973 (853 sites worldwide). I chanced to come upon the name of Antiochian Jon Tourtellot, now a big deal at the National Geographic Society, who is mentioned in the following article about his work ranking the best and worst of the World Heritage Sites. I thought I'd share the following with others, possibly also trying to forget about how awful the Antioch University Trustees still are, and the fact they still control Antioch, whether or not the school remains open: ------------------- Best, Worst World Heritage Sites Ranked var bust; if (typeof bust == 'undefined') { bust = Math.floor(1000000*Math.random()); } if ((!document.images & navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Mozilla/2.') >= 0) || navigator.userAgent.indexOf("WebTV")>= 0) { document.write(''); document.write(''); } else { document.write(''); document.write(''); document.write(''); document.write(''); } Hope Hamashige for National Geographic News November 15, 2006 The National Geographic Society's Center for Sustainable Destinations has released a scorecard ranking the world's top natural and cultural treasures. Jonathan Tourtellot, Antioch '67, also a grad of the Philips Exeter Academy before attending Antioch College in the 60's, geotourism editor of National Geographic Traveler magazine, spearheaded the survey, which solicited findings from more than 400 experts in sustainable tourism on nearly a hundred UN World Heritage sites. The United Nations began naming World Heritage sites in 1973 to help preserve grand palaces like France's Versailles, remnants of ancient civilizations such as Peru's Machu Picchu, and natural wonders like Australia's Great Barrier Reef, Tourtellot explains. But over the years some of the sites have struggled to maintain the unique character that landed them on the list, due to funding shortfalls, heavy tourist traffic, or political strife. To assess how those locations are faring in the 21st century, Tourtellot asked experts to assess 94 of the 830 officially designated sites. The highest scorers have one thing in common, Tourtellot says: a local community committed to preserving its priceless landmark. "Some places have very heavy tourist traffic and still score well?like the Alhambra [in Spain]," Tourtellot noted. "Among those that scored well, you find the people argue a lot about character-of-place issues, and those arguments can be very constructive." The results of the survey appear in the November/December 2006 issue of National Geographic Traveler magazine. Spain's 14th century Moorish palace, the Alhambra, earned the second highest score, behind Norway's West Fjords near the coastal town of ?lesund. The survey's panelists, whose comments were submitted anonymously, noted that the Alhambra is faring well because the community that hosts it?the town of Granada?has resisted commercializing its top tourist attraction. Wrote one panelist: "Redevelopment of the city over the past 20 years has been broadly sympathetic to the ancient Moorish core, and although the number of outlets catering [to the] tourist trade has increased noticeably, the city does retain a coherent Andalusian character." Even the rural destinations topping the list, such as the remote parks and gateway towns that make up New Zealand's Te Wahipounamu region, benefit when the local community feels it has a stake in the site, the panelists agreed. Of the coastal destination on New Zealand's South Island, one panelist noted: "There is no issue with local people not protecting it; they are all active protectors. All tourists need reminding that they are entering an exceptional place, that it is a privilege to be there." Mexico's colonial city of Guanajuato was the fifth on the list and was the most improved destination since the Center for Sustainable Destinations conducted its last survey in 2004. In spite of development, the city has worked to preserve its local color, the experts said. One panelist noted that the streets have been repaved in recent years in a traditional fashion. Panelists also praised the hotels, which are largely old, rehabilitated buildings in the city center. Faring Poorly The bottom scorers highlight the host of problems that some sites have yet to tackle, ranging from environmental damage to political trouble, the experts said. The Potala Palace in Tibet earned the fourth worst score, because while it remains an architectural gem, the city of Lhasa has lost its cultural integrity as a result of Chinese efforts to eradicate Tibetan culture, the panelists said. Meanwhile, the Spanish colonial ruins at Portobelo/San Lorenzo in Panama, the second worst scorer, have degraded under the pressures of overbuilding and deforestation in the surrounding national park. Nepal's Kathmandu Valley came in dead last for the dense air pollution and modern construction that surrounds many ancient temples there. But Ecuador's Gal?pagos Islands, which earned the third lowest score, experienced the biggest drop-off of any site since the 2004 survey. Panelists said that although the Gal?pagos maintain 95 percent of their native species, invasive species of plants and animals pose a serious threat to the islands. Johannah Barry, president of the Virginia-based nonprofit Gal?pagos Conservancy, said new residents in the Gal?pagos are bringing domestic animals and plants to the fragile island ecosystem. "Introductions become problematic because the species here have evolved in isolation, and so they don't have a lot of defenses," Barry said. Likewise, she notes, nonnative insects have hitched rides with tourists on boats to the islands, and many of the bugs have established themselves as a threat to native species. New efforts to enforce quarantines and inspections of tourist boats are in place, Barry added, but the programs are "not terribly well funded." ---- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my movie actor photos and recent credits at WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor, "WWW.CastingNetworks.Com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jdwood5000 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 5 02:36:00 2007 From: jdwood5000 at yahoo.com (j.d.wood) Date: Mon Nov 5 02:37:40 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Pictures from NYC Postcard Show opening night Message-ID: <84848.54990.qm@web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A very fun and successful night! http://www.flickr.com/gp/18177233@N05/50f124 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From aadole at roadrunner.com Mon Nov 5 10:38:28 2007 From: aadole at roadrunner.com (Art Dole) Date: Mon Nov 5 08:41:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] 2 Million in 10 Days, WHY? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/3/07 11:12 PM, "dl bahr" wrote: Lesley--These are excellent questions. One more: What do the remaining staff, faculty, and administration, plus the students and their parents, and the town (all the other stakeholders) think of them? Respond, please. Art Dole > > We are told that a "historic moment" has come for Antioch College and that a > new collaboration is being forged between the Alumni Board, the BoT, the > Chancellor and other key stakeholders. Agreements in Principle between AU BoT > and Antioch College Alumni Board have been proposed in a final document dated > November 2, 2007. > > The document states that a "temporary restricted account will be set up." > Where? Will this account be part of "the Antioch University Merrill Lynch > account that is used for non-endowed investments?" > > 1) Why does AU need 2 Million dollars within 10 days? > 2) Will this "temporary restricted account" be set-up within 10 days? > > By December 15th, 2007 a total of 6.6 Million dollars is to be paid by the > Antioch Alumni Board to Antioch University to be used "solely" for Antioch > College. > > According to the Agreement in principle the 6.6 Million among other things > would be used for "repayment of obligations to the University." > > My chief question: Why can't the University wait for its repayment of > obligations until Antioch College regains its strength? What is the rush? > What does Antioch College owe Antioch University? > > I scratch my head in wonder at the twist and turns of this enterprise. > What concrete autonomy has been established for Antioch College? Alumni > deserve accountability for the funds they are raising in the name of their > Alma Mater. > > Lesley A. Pownall Bahr > Minnesota > > _________________________________________________________________ > Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us > From duffy at antioch-college.edu Mon Nov 5 11:51:13 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Mon Nov 5 11:54:12 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The view from the river Message-ID: Hello friends, romans and countrywomyn....hip hop horray!! but still much to worry about....there IS a shopping list! I have been meaning to send a note but was out of adrenalin last week......and probably also in a state of deep anxiety .....wondering if the Lord would answer my prayers. Oh me of little faith......I need to work on dat. At Homecoming or Reunion 2.0 it was as if everyone were in deep waiting or anxious mode. Folks from every decade were floating around and many were different from the June reunion faces. People passed through the library and Antiochiana at intervals... Good to see folks from the seventies like Jill Wolcott '74 ...eighties like Angela Amel ....and Ginger Lines '81 who once hitchiked with me all the way to West Palm Beach for Thanksgiving. (in 1975) not only is she wearing shoes now but teaching English at Palm Beach Community College. and doesn't seem to have the first gray hair yet. Maybe five or so...if you look real hard. As the BoT/alum board talks progressed there were circles here and there of folks waiting with each other.....and making small talk while worry-warting. I sat in Weston (Now the Instititutional Advancement office which used to be Horace Mann)..with folks from town, Toledo, the fifties and sixties and Don Wallace, ..a local alum board member...and a new friend Flan Fry who drove 400 miles from Pennsylvania... At one point our circle nervously talked about gardening...and a sixties' alum from Toledo explained to me the perils of too many coffee grounds in your compost heap.....well..earthworms like caffeine anyway.. And when I really got ansty I peeked outside and saw other anxious circles.......Some of the folks outside were smokers... and some were on their cell phones...we were all waiting for the baby to be born, eh? BTW campus during homecoming was also full of Peak Oil people...who pretty much looked just like us....and probably think very much like us.. I was also amazed that they were older, like us..quite a few gray hairs!! That weekend there were more prius' and the like everywhere...with great vanity plates like 7ty mpg....... When I first got into town Saturday I stopped by the farmer;'s market to get some organic sweet potatoes (ah, better than pumpkin pie.mm)..and there was buzz in the air..... in fact all week long...in a town where most folks say hi....last week "hi" was mostly replaced with "what's da news?" So there was great tension all over......one day I sat downtown in a sunny place trying to be un-tense while eating a cup of chili ...and heard a local college student who decided to sing her heart out right in the middle of downtown. It was was if Deanna Durbin were belting out her loudest l940"s MGM operetta excerpt. ah more fun than Key West sunset. I thought...what a pity...a town and campus with so much wonder and a little eccentricity.....what a great loss it would be. Any way...the first set of prayers have been answered. and we now have a newborn to nurture. or a critical-care patient to nurse..whichever metaphor suits you. During the Community Meeting where the good news was given...Ellen Borgersen '72..alum board member and great example of what stewardship can be....explained that the Alumni are starting to push things in the right direction. and helped field anxious questions over tenure, money, admissions and much more. I hope folks will keep pushing and keep helping with whatever skill sets they may have..money as well....lots or little...whatever folks can do.... Dan Friedman '69 came from Portland ( btw also taught psychology here until he retired) ...said.. I would love to come back and teach again and would do it for very little...... Anyhow...that also reminded me of some of the psych books they used to use for a while in the early seventies here... Fritz Perls....things like "Don't push the river, it flows by itself".. That book always got stolen along with others like Soul on Ice.. we were up to copy ll. eh? but now it's outta vogue. well ...Antioch... and having been here is just like riding on a river..a river of students, faculty and staff that keep rolling through. Right now this river doesn't flow by itself...it will need more pushing and like Ellen might say...some pushing in the direction we would all like....all the way from Art Dole and Katy Jako to more recent folks like Tim Noble, Chad Johnston and Laura Fathauer. So eager beavers and riverkeeps...come and help the river get flowing. We will need so much assistance to rebuild... money, money, mo' money and sweat equity and intellectual sweat equity. Stay involved......please keep checking Antiochians.org and the College Website and call some friends...... network if you can.....or cruise down the river solo. and for all the skeptics....even under the worst of times the college has had a number of wonderful students who are nothing less the incredible. I may not be like the Katy jakos and the Ruth Churchills of the world...they are data hounds but I can be an "anecdota" hound. I am witness to folks' growth....... Thanks to all of you who have been helping. Duffy 77 and the years since. PS I thanked the Lord first..... From dlbahr at hotmail.com Mon Nov 5 14:01:02 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Mon Nov 5 14:02:45 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] 2 Million in 10 Days, WHY? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Art: I agree. Yours is a important question. Let us hear responses from key stakeholders. Of course, with such fund raising efforts, it is vital that accountability to contributers be a central focus. What are we asking others to fund? What is the vision key stakeholders have for Antioch College? Lesley > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:38:28 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] 2 Million in 10 Days, WHY? > From: aadole@roadrunner.com > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > On 11/3/07 11:12 PM, "dl bahr" wrote: > Lesley--These are excellent questions. One more: What do the remaining > staff, faculty, and administration, plus the students and their parents, and > the town (all the other stakeholders) think of them? Respond, please. Art > Dole > > > > We are told that a "historic moment" has come for Antioch College and that a > > new collaboration is being forged between the Alumni Board, the BoT, the > > Chancellor and other key stakeholders. Agreements in Principle between AU BoT > > and Antioch College Alumni Board have been proposed in a final document dated > > November 2, 2007. > > > > The document states that a "temporary restricted account will be set up." > > Where? Will this account be part of "the Antioch University Merrill Lynch > > account that is used for non-endowed investments?" > > > > 1) Why does AU need 2 Million dollars within 10 days? > > 2) Will this "temporary restricted account" be set-up within 10 days? > > > > By December 15th, 2007 a total of 6.6 Million dollars is to be paid by the > > Antioch Alumni Board to Antioch University to be used "solely" for Antioch > > College. > > > > According to the Agreement in principle the 6.6 Million among other things > > would be used for "repayment of obligations to the University." > > > > My chief question: Why can't the University wait for its repayment of > > obligations until Antioch College regains its strength? What is the rush? > > What does Antioch College owe Antioch University? > > > > I scratch my head in wonder at the twist and turns of this enterprise. > > What concrete autonomy has been established for Antioch College? Alumni > > deserve accountability for the funds they are raising in the name of their > > Alma Mater. > > > > Lesley A. Pownall Bahr > > Minnesota > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! > > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us > > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From Daniel.Spock at MNHS.ORG Mon Nov 5 19:24:53 2007 From: Daniel.Spock at MNHS.ORG (Spock, Dan) Date: Mon Nov 5 19:26:37 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch future vision Message-ID: I think the general strand of the discussion established by Dr. Apter, Frank Adler (at the alumni meeting I attended in Minneapolis this weekend,) and I'm sure many others, is really going to be a key matter going forward: revive Antioch how? In what new, distinctive style that sets it apart from what so many other institutions have adopted? Adler urges more academic rigor (specifically, he urges raising the quality of graduates such that we reach something approaching the halcyon days when Antioch produced a larger proportion of students who went on to get grad school degrees than any other college.) I certainly won't argue against academic rigor, but it seems to me that this statistic was a byproduct of the generally high level of intrinsic motivation Antiochians had/have as lifelong learners and, by itself, it doesn't address the more compelling fact that Antiochians in high proportion have also devoted their lives and careers to service of humanity--a fact especially compelling to young people I should think. I like Apter's suggestions for using the Antioch curricula as an opportunity for deep exploration of chosen subjects, continuing in the vein established by the co-op program--e.g.: an experiential learning model. This seems to open the door to using the traditions of Antioch's progressive education ethos in fresh, creative ways. I also very much like Apter's idea of tapping the expertise, knowledge and experience of alumni in some way, through conferences or symposia. But let me make my pitch for an approach that is not limited to academics exclusively. For example, I have a 25-year career in museum management and museum learning theory experience and I know of at least 4 other Antioch alums who are toiling in the same fields to a high level of accomplishment. Much of what I am practicing now is rooted in the ideas of John Dewey and Wiiliam James, thinkers I was first exposed to by George Geiger at Antioch. I personally know at least half a dozen Antiochians working in public radio as producers and journalists. More are working in the music industry and in television and film. The number who have successful business careers must be legion based on the quick fund raising response to the exigency crisis. Add to this the fact that, in my Antioch experience, even more than the practical co-op experiences I had, the close interaction with faculty was by far the most durable and meaningful part of my education. Could we imagine a way of contributing to Antioch for us, the alumni, that involved gathering our expertise around multidisciplinary themes through symposia vehicles that students could access as part of their degree program? Co-op drew us out of the ivory tower and exposed us to learning through life. Might we also bring experience--the practical experience of seasoned alumni--into the ivory tower in new ways? And wouldn't this help to both restore institutional Antioch's vitallity in ways in keeping with its progressive traditions while at the same time provide students with very real life models for how an Antioch education and ethos informs a career and life path? Daniel Spock, 1983 Director of Minnesota History Center Museum 345 Kellogg Blvd West St. Paul, Minnesota 55102 New Telephone: (651) 259-3050 From Sistersara at aol.com Tue Nov 6 02:50:47 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 6 02:52:35 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch future vision Message-ID: In a message dated 11/5/2007 6:25:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, Daniel.Spock@MNHS.ORG writes: think the general strand of the discussion established by Dr. Apter, Frank Adler (at the alumni meeting I attended in Minneapolis this weekend,) and I'm sure many others, is really going to be a key matter going forward: revive Antioch how? In what new, distinctive style that sets it apart from what so many other institutions have adopted? Daniel, I wish I had been at the Mpls meeting this weekend, but was down with a flu bug, and didn't want to offer it up to others. But have heard a bit about the meeting, it seemed productive, and I too was much in agreement with what David Apter had posted. I certainly agree that the content of curriculum along with overall plan will be the key to success in this venture, and I want to lay a concrete process proposal. I am of the opinion that the beginning of the slow demise of Antioch was an obscure decision in 1967 when the Faculty had a major dispute among themselves, and then with Dixon, but the result was they voted away their powers to more or less control curriculum, pass final muster on awarding degrees, and make the key decisions on tenure and contracts. As I say -- it was an obscure decision, framed in the rhetoric of that period, but in the end, set a pattern. I think if we succeed in this reconstruction of Antioch, one critical element will be to return those powers and responsibility to the core teaching faculty. So what I propose ought to be comprehended in this light. What I suggest is a conference on our campus -- perhaps during spring break, Easter, Passover, next spring to which would be invited Antiochians in Academic Careers, and Professions that parallel such careers. It should be sponsered by the Alumni Board -- but perhaps we could find an organizing committee not as much put upon as our current board. (Remember, all usually expected is to organize Reunions and help with admissions and some fund raising.) What I have in mind is Antiochians currently teaching in all parts of the US Academic Community, and thus in contact with a broad sample of contemporary students, spending a couple of days doing public brainstorming. Some of it should be around specific disciplines normally part of the Liberal Arts Canon, and then it should be more or less mixed up with interdisciplinary possibilities, and we should include at least a few "futurists" -- who can use demographics and intellectual and cultural trends, to offer some prophetic commentary. Out of this, well we publish something called