From gcalhoun at antioch-college.edu Thu Mar 15 17:36:35 2007 From: gcalhoun at antioch-college.edu (Gare Calhoun) Date: Thu Mar 15 16:48:15 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Chat Lives! Message-ID: Hello - Happy Spring! After a 30 month hiatus, the alumni chat email list lives again! As a starting list of subscribers, I have taken liberty of subscribing everyone who was on the list in Sept. 2004. 155 regular chatters and 65 digest subscribers. plus 1 or 2 new addresses. Some of these will be invalid email addresses, but this should give us a start. Please feel free to promote this list. There will also be a link on the college website to attract new subscribers. Thank you for your patience as we work through any configuration kinks with this new list. If you wish to unsubscribe or want help to switch to digest form, please just send me an email or follow instructions at links below. Registered subscribers can view who is signed up for the list. Happy Chatting! Gare Calhoun From robinson at antioch-college.edu Thu Mar 15 17:36:58 2007 From: robinson at antioch-college.edu (Jocelyn2 Robinson) Date: Thu Mar 15 16:48:45 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Chat Lives! Message-ID: Jocelyn Robinson is no longer with the Antioch College Office of Admissions. Please contact the Office of Admissions at admissions@antioch-college.edu or 937.769.1100. Thank you! From Bwpurplewins at cs.com Thu Mar 15 16:53:12 2007 From: Bwpurplewins at cs.com (Bwpurplewins@cs.com) Date: Thu Mar 15 17:04:45 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Chat Lives! Message-ID: What a wonderful welcome. How do I see who has registered? I believe I have. Thanks for doing this. Barbara Winslow School of Education Brooklyn College/CUNY bwinslow@brooklyn.cuny.edu http://schooled.brooklyn.cuny.edu/winslow.html 718-951-4807 FAX: 718-9514816 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070315/1dcd490a/attachment.html From bobabramspe at webtv.net Thu Mar 15 17:41:52 2007 From: bobabramspe at webtv.net (Robert Abrams) Date: Thu Mar 15 17:53:16 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Resumption of alumni chat Message-ID: I have missed verbal jousting with alums of all years. Welcome back! AVE ATQUE VALE (Hail and farewell-the gladiator's salutation) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070315/acd2e0b5/attachment.html From bdevine at antioch-college.edu Thu Mar 15 21:46:42 2007 From: bdevine at antioch-college.edu (Robert Devine) Date: Thu Mar 15 20:58:04 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Chat Lives! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If Barbara is there, I guess it's the place to be. Bravo to Gere and whoever else is responsible for the rebirth! Bob Devine Alumni Chat List on Thursday, March 15, 2007 at 11:57 AM -0500 wrote: >What a wonderful welcome. How do I see who has registered? I believe I >have. Thanks for doing this. > >Barbara Winslow > >School of Education >Brooklyn College/CUNY >bwinslow@brooklyn.cuny.edu >http://schooled.brooklyn.cuny.edu/winslow.html >718-951-4807 >FAX: 718-9514816 _______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Robert H. Devine College Professor Antioch College Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387 Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter" - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr From sjr5 at nyu.edu Fri Mar 16 01:39:44 2007 From: sjr5 at nyu.edu (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) Date: Fri Mar 16 00:49:58 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Chat Lives! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hurray! I am so glad this is back. Looking forward to news from Yellow Springs and beyond and to much argumentation. And welcome, Barbara. Now we're on two lists together. What fun! -- Sonia Jaffe Robbins sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting ******************* "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels From Bwpurplewins at cs.com Fri Mar 16 06:06:33 2007 From: Bwpurplewins at cs.com (Bwpurplewins@cs.com) Date: Fri Mar 16 06:18:00 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Chat Lives! Message-ID: Yes, let's not get our lists mixed up! Barbara Winslow School of Education Brooklyn College/CUNY bwinslow@brooklyn.cuny.edu http://schooled.brooklyn.cuny.edu/winslow.html 718-951-4807 FAX: 718-9514816 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070316/1dc057b4/attachment.html From matt at baya.net Fri Mar 16 08:05:26 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Fri Mar 16 08:46:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Websites, Lists & Forums - Oh my! Message-ID: <2CEA3565-924B-4A5E-83A4-81831ACAA531@baya.net> Wow. I never thought I'd see this list return to life, I thought the college killed it off as a bad PR liability. In the darkest of times a glimmer of hope! Thanks Gare for setting this up and thanks to the others who gave the thumbs up to let this happen. Recently there's been some traffic on another Antioch list and some posts on some websites that folks might want to check out, especially if you hadn't heard about some recent campus events; YS News from last week - http://www.ysnews.com/stories/ 2007/03/030807_antiochcuts.html Save Antioch - http://www.saveantioch.org/ - A new website created documenting what's been happening on campus lately. SaveAntioch Mailing list - http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/ listinfo/saveantioch - A mailing list for folks to chat about what's happening and what we can do to help make a difference. You can view the archives of recent postings to this list here: http:// lists.antiochians.org/pipermail/saveantioch/2007-March/thread.html (Please take a look here, there's some recent posts that really get into some great detail about what's happening on campus these days) AntiochAlumni Yahoo Group - I just tound out about this the other day, not sure how active it is : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ AntiochAlumni/ AntiRecord.org / AntiochSucks.Org - http://antirecord.org/ - Yazz '97 has run this site as AntiochSucks.Org in various incarnations for as long as I can remember. I've joked in the past that I had wished it was named 'i-have-mixed-feelings-about-Antioch.org' and he recently set it up under 'AntiRecord.Org' also, I guess realizing that some people (like me) just didn't like the "Sucks" word. It's a farily robust site running the open source community software drupal and it's got news feeds of Antioch information from other sources on the web, forums, blogs, etc. Alot of it's pretty new but the only thing the site is missing are users. Take a look around, "it doesn't suck" :) Other Antioch College related websites to check out: Livejournal Community - http://community.livejournal.com/ antioch_college - Alumni, current students and ever students thinking of applying post notes here ranging from recent campus news to questions about the campus. Worth a look. If you have a RSS reader you can subscribe to this as a feed. Antioch92 - http://groups.msn.com/antioch92 - Formed years ago as a website/Mailing list for the 10th reunion of the class of 1992, this site just wont go away and has morphed into the 'Antiochians of the 90's' (give or take a decade). That's all for now. I wrote an article for the Record last fall that highlighted many of the above and a few other Antioch places on the web that you might want to visit. The Record's not back online yet but, at least until I get a scary letter from the president's office, I'm allowed to post my own work so here's my copy of that article: http://matt.baya.net/social-networking-websites-and-antioch-college/ That's all for now. Thanks again for bringing this list back. -Matt '92 --- Matthew J. H. Baya 85 Guptill Farm Road, Ellsworth, ME 04605-4109 H: (207) 667-4892 e-mail: matt@baya.net web: http://matt.baya.net/ From duffy at antioch-college.edu Fri Mar 16 10:24:09 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Fri Mar 16 09:35:35 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Chat Lives! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello to all..especially those of you living in those stressed filled and sullied urban places. Don't forget that YS and the College make a scintillating or relaxing three day getaway. Come to rewind, unwind or get wound up...... Reunion anyone? Duffy From charlesvicinus at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 16 11:28:56 2007 From: charlesvicinus at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Vicinus) Date: Fri Mar 16 10:41:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Chat Lives! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 3/15/07 4:36 PM, Gare Calhoun at gcalhoun@antioch-college.edu wrote: Gare - Nice to have Antioch up and running again. However, in your enthusiasm I am receiving two of every piece of mail. I have two email addresses and so it might be that you are sending to both addresses. The two addresses are - cvicinu@uoft02.utoledo. edu charlesvicinus@sbcglobal.net It doesn't matter which one you use. Thanks for looking into this. Best, Charles Vicinus '54 > Hello - > > Happy Spring! After a 30 month hiatus, the alumni chat email list lives > again! > > As a starting list of subscribers, I have taken liberty of subscribing > everyone who was on the list in Sept. 2004. 155 regular chatters and 65 > digest subscribers. plus 1 or 2 new addresses. Some of these will be > invalid email addresses, but this should give us a start. > > Please feel free to promote this list. There will also be a link on the > college website to attract new subscribers. > > Thank you for your patience as we work through any configuration kinks > with this new list. > > If you wish to unsubscribe or want help to switch to digest form, please > just send me an email or follow instructions at links below. Registered > subscribers can view who is signed up for the list. > > Happy Chatting! > Gare Calhoun > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Fri Mar 16 11:59:57 2007 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (David Roger Allen) Date: Fri Mar 16 12:11:25 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Bob, thanks for the "welcome back" message! "Welcome back to what?" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070316/4245e330/attachment.html From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Fri Mar 16 12:10:37 2007 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (David Roger Allen) Date: Fri Mar 16 12:22:06 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Three wierd messages about the Antioch alumni chat line, but no explanation! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070316/6dab9e52/attachment.html From rgrimes at antioch-college.edu Fri Mar 16 14:45:41 2007 From: rgrimes at antioch-college.edu (Risa Grimes) Date: Fri Mar 16 13:57:08 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] ahhhhhh, reunion Message-ID: Since Duffy mentioned it...the Reunion schedule is now online...and your paper copy of the schedule/registration info will be sent to your mailboxes in the next week. It's going to be a great party and we would love to see each and everyone of you. Risa Risa Grimes Director of Alumni Relations Antioch College 795 Livermore Street Yellow Springs, OH 45387 1-800-411-6780 Phone: 937-769-1206 Cell: 937-409-3210 email: rgrimes@antioch-college.edu From robinsimons at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 17:23:27 2007 From: robinsimons at yahoo.com (Robin Simons) Date: Fri Mar 16 17:34:54 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] (no subject) Message-ID: <330538.23162.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hey all! I'm glad this list is back up- can someone tell me how to resub under another email address, or how to get this on digest? Thanks- Robin Simons class of 1991 ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From jwmckarnf at aol.com Mon Mar 19 10:09:15 2007 From: jwmckarnf at aol.com (jwmckarnf@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 19 10:19:57 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Bob, thanks for the "welcome back" message! "Welcome back to what?" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C938474FA63CBE-1734-CED2@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> Hi Dave -- I returned two weeks ago from Arizona, too, -- I go every year about this time because my niece and family live in the NW 'burbs of Phoenix (Peoria) I have taken a lot of side trips and have pretty well covered the state except for the northeast corner Indian reservations. I recommend the little town of Oatman, in the far northwest corner -- it's on the only stretch of old route 66 between Tulsa and San Bernardino that does not follow the roadbed of the Santa Fe railroad. Oatman is REALLY off the beaten track. I'm flying out to YS this weekend to attend the Saturday memorial service for Joe Cali, whom I got to know very well in recent years. He worked right up until almost the last day -- didn't know he had heart trouble. Hope to see you in DC one of these fine days. Warren McKay Antioch '59 -----Original Message----- From: davidrogerallen@hotmail.com To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Sent: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:59 AM Subject: [Alumni-chat] Bob, thanks for the "welcome back" message! "Welcome back to what?" Bob, thanks for the "welcome back" message! "Welcome back to what?" March 16, 07 Hi Bob! I was very glad to get your email message, but don't understand it! Details, please! I'm currently visiting south central Arizona and had face to face visits with two Antioch grads there I knew in the 60's! Must be other Arizona Antiochians here, also. Cheap and warm place to live, nice people, too. I send you this from Rio Rico, AZ 10 miles north of the USA/Mexico border, 45 miles south of Tucson AZ. The Sonora Desert...Arizona USA part of it. Lovely, but very hot starting in late April until Sept. Huge population buildup here in very recent years with rises in housing, etc. quite remarkable in only 2 or 3 years. Hope you are well! Sincerely, David Roger Allen, Antioch '66 David Roger Allen, 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA 17361 (717)235-1982 DavidRogerAllen@Hotmail.Com DavidAllenUSA@Yahoo.Com From: "Robert Abrams" Reply-To: Alumni Chat List To: Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: [Alumni-chat] Resumption of alumni chat Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:41:52 GMT I have missed verbal jousting with alums of all years. Welcome back! AVE ATQUE VALE (Hail and farewell-the gladiator's salutation) >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Live Search Maps ? find all the local information you need, right when you need it. _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070319/d5e4fb79/attachment.html From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Mon Mar 19 14:35:09 2007 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (David Roger Allen) Date: Mon Mar 19 14:45:43 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] I made a one hour video about AZ, Warren! Send me your mailing address! In-Reply-To: <8C938474FA63CBE-1734-CED2@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070319/3e4bd1f5/attachment.html From dr at drkalish.com Mon Mar 19 20:32:48 2007 From: dr at drkalish.com (Dr. Daniel Kalish) Date: Mon Mar 19 20:43:38 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Chat Lives! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00a001c76a87$4a2f46d0$6501a8c0@Daniel> Would be great to get a monthly or quarterly Antioch update but could you please take me off the daily chat list, thanks, Dan Daniel Kalish, D.C. drkalish.com 800-616-7708 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu]On Behalf Of Gare Calhoun Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:37 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Chat Lives! Hello - Happy Spring! After a 30 month hiatus, the alumni chat email list lives again! As a starting list of subscribers, I have taken liberty of subscribing everyone who was on the list in Sept. 2004. 155 regular chatters and 65 digest subscribers. plus 1 or 2 new addresses. Some of these will be invalid email addresses, but this should give us a start. Please feel free to promote this list. There will also be a link on the college website to attract new subscribers. Thank you for your patience as we work through any configuration kinks with this new list. If you wish to unsubscribe or want help to switch to digest form, please just send me an email or follow instructions at links below. Registered subscribers can view who is signed up for the list. Happy Chatting! Gare Calhoun _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From amaruyama at antioch-college.edu Tue Mar 20 12:26:57 2007 From: amaruyama at antioch-college.edu (Aimee Maruyama) Date: Tue Mar 20 11:37:34 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Memorial Service for Joe Cali Message-ID: Memorial Service for Joe Cali Antioch College to host on March 24, 2007 YELLOW SPRINGS, OHIO ? Antioch College Friends and colleagues of Joe Cali are invited to a memorial service in his honor on Saturday, March 24, 2007, at Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio. The service will begin at 2:00 p.m. in Kelly Hall in the Main Building, followed by a reception in the Herndon Gallery. Joe Cali, Head Librarian of the Olive Kettering Library, died at his home near Yellow Springs on February 13, 2007. He had been a librarian at Antioch for 53 years and spent his last day keeping the library open during a winter storm that closed the rest of the campus. Marjorie Jensen Special Editor of Class Notes, Obits, and Book Reviews of the Antiochian Assistant to the Director of Communication and Public Relations Antioch College 795 Livermore St. Yellow Springs, OH 4538 (937) 769-1205 "Love hates the game of words! It is a crime to fence with life- I tell you, There comes a moment, once... when Beauty stands Looking into the soul with grave, sweet eyes That sicken at pretty words!" -Rostand, "Cyrano de Bergerac" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mark Mark Pomerantz Principal Consultant and Manager, Social Profits (dba Seattle Social Enterprise Consultants) Editor, Social Enterprise Magazine-Online www.socialprofits.com www.socialenterprisemagazine.org (206) 270-9344 (ph) (206) 354-3052 (cell) "The future participates actively in the present, providing part of the context within which today's decisions are made." - Fred L. Polak _____ From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Bwpurplewins@cs.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 1:53 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Chat Lives! What a wonderful welcome. How do I see who has registered? I believe I have. Thanks for doing this. Barbara Winslow School of Education Brooklyn College/CUNY bwinslow@brooklyn.cuny.edu http://schooled.brooklyn.cuny.edu/winslow.html 718-951-4807 FAX: 718-9514816 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070325/f8880cc1/attachment.html From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Mon Mar 26 08:35:44 2007 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (David Roger Allen) Date: Mon Mar 26 08:46:53 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Selling Anitoch! In-Reply-To: <00c801c76f40$c14604d0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070326/ba99eecc/attachment.html From sgordon at mcgregor.edu Mon Mar 26 10:21:07 2007 From: sgordon at mcgregor.edu (Seth Gordon) Date: Mon Mar 26 09:32:22 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Selling Anitoch! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I submit to you and to everyone else: 1. If you equate total enrollment woes with just the admissions office you are missing the complete story (this is true at any college or university) 2. It takes resources to tell a story. 3. One of the crucial elements of marketing is "keeping promises." If the story told does not meet up with the expectations of the individuals who hope to experience that story than you will have a problem. Having worked in the admissions office at the college some time ago (2001-2003) and knowing several of the staff presently I can tell you that admissions does a very good job of telling the story they can tell, with the resources they do have. Also, the comparison resources of the other colleges mentioned is not the same. While Antioch may have been held up with the Unviersity of Chicago, Reed, Oberlin and Swarthmore some time ago, it is simply not in that league anymore --for better or worse, it is an unfair comparison to make. Antioch has some challenges ahead to be sure. I recommend asking more complete questions than taking the easy way out by casting blame at any one part of the organization. Seth Gordon '01 Alumni Chat List writes: >Antioch has been "left behind" for one simple reason: its story is not >told or sold adequately by the Antioch admissions office. Antioch does >indeed have an attractive story which should be told, but that story is >NOT told adequately or attractively. Seth E. Gordon, M.A. Associate Director of Enrollment Services Antioch University McGregor 800 Livermore St. Yellow Springs, OH 45387 937-769-1825 www.mcgregor.edu From marnoldtk at yahoo.com Mon Mar 26 10:02:40 2007 From: marnoldtk at yahoo.com (Matthew Arnold) Date: Mon Mar 26 10:13:49 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Selling Anitoch! Message-ID: <20070326140241.84081.qmail@web53401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Does the College even have a dedicated, full-time PR person anymore, much less the services of an agency? You may be right, but the resources haven't been there to sell it for a long time. It takes a lot of expertise, time and money to tell the story of a school like Antioch, and outside of some small and greying East Coast lefty circles, it's not a brand name. Now, if some industrious and/or wealthy alum wanted to set up and beat the drum for a fund to finance external communications, that might help (um, being broke and having a one-year-old, I don't nominate me). Otherwise, the College is in the impossible position of having to choose between funding of essential posts, which have already been cut to the bone and beyond, or hiring PR help (which is generally going to be seen internally as a less-than-essential vanity position). Guess what's going to go? Matt ('99) ----- Original Message ---- From: David Roger Allen To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:35:44 AM Subject: [Alumni-chat] Selling Anitoch! It is preprosterous that a school with Antioch's distinguished history, track record, and incredible roster of alumni/ae overachievers which populate all levels of USA and world academia, government, arts, etc. should be pleading with the outside world to provide Antioch with an overall student population of 500 people. Antioch's traditional peer schools (Oberlin, Swarthmore, Reed, the University of Chicago, etc.) are ALL turning away student applications by the carload. Antioch has been "left behind" for one simple reason: its story is not told or sold adequately by the Antioch admissions office. Antioch does indeed have an attractive story which should be told, but that story is NOT told adequately or attractively. Change that and Antioch's fortunes will change for the better. If and when things change on that score, Antioch would once again become "the flavor of the month" college (as it certainly was in the early 1960's when I attended), ranked nationally and worldwide among the greatest and most desired colleges anywhere. Antioch outreach media has to get off its rear-end and onto its feet....again. Irwin Inman, '40, College Editor in the late 50's - early '60's is was/is a role model for how to do it right, and get customers to turn-away levels as a result. David Roger Allen, Antioch '66 (Direct email address: DavidAllenUSA@Yahoo.Com) David Roger Allen, 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA 17361 (717)235-1982 DavidRogerAllen@Hotmail.Com DavidAllenUSA@Yahoo.Com From: "Mark Pomerantz" Reply-To: Alumni Chat List To: "'Alumni Chat List'" Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Chat Lives! Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:50:30 -0700 .shape {} p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} _filtered {margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {} From what I?m seeing the College?s situation doesn?t seem to be improving except marginally. Can it survive another five years Barbara? What are the latest estimates if enrollment stabilizes around 500? Mark Mark Pomerantz Principal Consultant and Manager, Social Profits (dba Seattle Social Enterprise Consultants) Editor, Social Enterprise Magazine-Online www.socialprofits.com www.socialenterprisemagazine.org (206) 270-9344 (ph) (206) 354-3052 (cell) ?The future participates actively in the present, providing part of the context within which today's decisions are made.? ? Fred L. Polak From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Bwpurplewins@cs.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 1:53 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Chat Lives! What a wonderful welcome. How do I see who has registered? I believe I have. Thanks for doing this. Barbara Winslow School of Education Brooklyn College/CUNY bwinslow@brooklyn.cuny.edu http://schooled.brooklyn.cuny.edu/winslow.html 718-951-4807 FAX: 718-9514816 >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Interest Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070326/358f4e43/attachment-0001.html From marklp2 at comcast.net Mon Mar 26 12:38:18 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Mon Mar 26 12:49:29 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! In-Reply-To: <20070326140241.84081.qmail@web53401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070326140241.84081.qmail@web53401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007301c76fc5$29d6c550$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Antioch's real marketable story is the innovations of Arthur Morgan and their consolidation by Henderson. Though they were somewhat flattened out by Henderson they still left Antioch in the vanguard of small liberal arts colleges. Antioch is now a "reverse boutique" school, glorying in its non-conformity and its enthusiastic marginalization from the "mainstream." The sad part is that large elements of society have moved past Antioch into trying to be real forces for change. This is generally ignored by the Antioch administration. Real student participation in governance is a selling point, not something that needs to be reined in. The Co-op program is something that needs to be expanded not curtailed. Morgan spoke about teaching students to be change agents through a fusion of liberal arts and vocationally oriented education. He emphasized self-sufficiency and sustainability as well as social justice. He even spent his "retirement" facilitating rural development in India. Many other colleges are developing various forms of social entrepreneurship, developmental entrepreneurship, and other environmental and community development type programs that offer students training to be change agents as well as a potential career path(s). Antioch is basically ignoring this trend except for its service learning programs. Community Solutions, the organization founded by Morgan and run by his family has an annual conference on Peak Oil and related issues in Yellow Springs (right on campus!) and the College ignores the opportunity to network and partner. The Antioch Company run by his grandson is a huge supporter of progressive causes like ESOPs and yet little is done to exploit this connection to the college. I wonder how long the Board is really willing to subsidize the College at this level, especially with a Chancellor who comes from one of the branches who have always seemed to resent having to subsidize the College so heavily. Mark ('71) _____ From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Arnold Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 7:03 AM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Selling Anitoch! Does the College even have a dedicated, full-time PR person anymore, much less the services of an agency? You may be right, but the resources haven't been there to sell it for a long time. It takes a lot of expertise, time and money to tell the story of a school like Antioch, and outside of some small and greying East Coast lefty circles, it's not a brand name. Now, if some industrious and/or wealthy alum wanted to set up and beat the drum for a fund to finance external communications, that might help (um, being broke and having a one-year-old, I don't nominate me). Otherwise, the College is in the impossible position of having to choose between funding of essential posts, which have already been cut to the bone and beyond, or hiring PR help (which is generally going to be seen internally as a less-than-essential vanity position). Guess what's going to go? Matt ('99) ----- Original Message ---- From: David Roger Allen To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:35:44 AM Subject: [Alumni-chat] Selling Anitoch! It is preprosterous that a school with Antioch's distinguished history, track record, and incredible roster of alumni/ae overachievers which populate all levels of USA and world academia, government, arts, etc. should be pleading with the outside world to provide Antioch with an overall student population of 500 people. Antioch's traditional peer schools (Oberlin, Swarthmore, Reed, the University of Chicago, etc.) are ALL turning away student applications by the carload. Antioch has been "left behind" for one simple reason: its story is not told or sold adequately by the Antioch admissions office. Antioch does indeed have an attractive story which should be told, but that story is NOT told adequately or attractively. Change that and Antioch's fortunes will change for the better. If and when things change on that score, Antioch would once again become "the flavor of the month" college (as it certainly was in the early 1960's when I attended), ranked nationally and worldwide among the greatest and most desired colleges anywhere. Antioch outreach media has to get off its rear-end and onto its feet....again. Irwin Inman, '40, College Editor in the late 50's - early '60's is was/is a role model for how to do it right, and get customers to turn-away levels as a result. David Roger Allen, Antioch '66 (Direct email address: DavidAllenUSA@Yahoo.Com) David Roger Allen, 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA 17361 (717)235-1982 DavidRogerAllen@Hotmail.Com DavidAllenUSA@Yahoo.Com _____ From: "Mark Pomerantz" Reply-To: Alumni Chat List To: "'Alumni Chat List'" Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Chat Lives! Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:50:30 -0700 >From what I'm seeing the College's situation doesn't seem to be improving except marginally. Can it survive another five years Barbara? What are the latest estimates if enrollment stabilizes around 500? Mark Mark Pomerantz Principal Consultant and Manager, Social Profits (dba Seattle Social Enterprise Consultants) Editor, Social Enterprise Magazine-Online www.socialprofits.com www.socialenterprisemagazine.org (206) 270-9344 (ph) (206) 354-3052 (cell) "The future participates actively in the present, providing part of the context within which today's decisions are made." - Fred L. Polak _____ From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Bwpurplewins@cs.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 1:53 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Chat Lives! What a wonderful welcome. How do I see who has registered? I believe I have. Thanks for doing this. Barbara Winslow School of Education Brooklyn College/CUNY bwinslow@brooklyn.cuny.edu http://schooled.brooklyn.cuny.edu/winslow.html 718-951-4807 FAX: 718-9514816 >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Interest Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _____ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070326/01f8d3b8/attachment.html From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Mon Mar 26 13:02:23 2007 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (David Roger Allen) Date: Mon Mar 26 13:13:33 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! In-Reply-To: <007301c76fc5$29d6c550$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070326/3d31b2e7/attachment-0001.html From brian at tangent.org Mon Mar 26 13:14:07 2007 From: brian at tangent.org (Brian Aker) Date: Mon Mar 26 13:25:18 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Selling Anitoch! (Long Tail) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi! When I recently attended an Alumni Meeting here in Seattle I was left with a very different impression on how well Antioch is Selling itself. The meeting was one telling about Antioch's history... a good story, but not really the rebellious story which was Antioch. It left out all of the history that had passion to it. When I look at the material that the college produces I see this lack of attention to its strengths left out. The other piece I picked up? My partner, who was not an Antioch Student, listened to a story about a librarian peeking into the computers and checking up on what students were reading. She was amazed at how there was no uproar in the room over this. She works at the University of Washington and has a staff of both employees and students, and couldn't imagine invading student's privacy in this manner. On reflection I had let the privacy point filter in and out of my head, and just thought "typical Antioch". On later reflection I thought a bit more about Antioch's paternalistic nature when I was a student and how much irritated me then. From listening to this talk, all I could see was an environment that has just increased its nature toward "the college knows best". Yuck! When I was a student, many of those surrounding me were transfer students (among the BS majors it was well over half for 1994). It would be interesting to know how this mix has changed over the years. Transfer students would be more sensitive to paternalistic behavior then entering students (though I can see them growing to hate it). Even if the message being presented about the school is wrong, I am wondering whether its a time to update the behavior of the school to the nature of the institution. Antioch is very much Long Tail, it would be nice to see it recognize this and play to its strengths. Cheers, -Brian On Mar 26, 2007, at 7:21 AM, Seth Gordon wrote: > I submit to you and to everyone else: > > 1. If you equate total enrollment woes with just the admissions > office you > are missing the complete story (this is true at any college or > university) > > 2. It takes resources to tell a story. > > 3. One of the crucial elements of marketing is "keeping promises." > If the > story told does not meet up with the expectations of the > individuals who > hope to experience that story than you will have a problem. > > Having worked in the admissions office at the college some time ago > (2001-2003) and knowing several of the staff presently I can tell > you that > admissions does a very good job of telling the story they can tell, > with > the resources they do have. > > Also, the comparison resources of the other colleges mentioned is > not the > same. While Antioch may have been held up with the Unviersity of > Chicago, > Reed, Oberlin and Swarthmore some time ago, it is simply not in that > league anymore --for better or worse, it is an unfair comparison to > make. > > Antioch has some challenges ahead to be sure. I recommend asking more > complete questions than taking the easy way out by casting blame at > any > one part of the organization. > > Seth Gordon '01 > > > > Alumni Chat List writes: >> Antioch has been "left behind" for one simple reason: its story >> is not >> told or sold adequately by the Antioch admissions office. >> Antioch does >> indeed have an attractive story which should be told, but that >> story is >> NOT told adequately or attractively. > > > Seth E. Gordon, M.A. > Associate Director of Enrollment Services > Antioch University McGregor > 800 Livermore St. > Yellow Springs, OH 45387 > 937-769-1825 > www.mcgregor.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat -- _______________________________________________________ Brian "Krow" Aker, brian at tangent.org Seattle, Washington http://krow.net/ http://tangent.org/ _______________________________________________________ You can't grep a dead tree. From patrick_abroad at yahoo.com Mon Mar 26 13:28:30 2007 From: patrick_abroad at yahoo.com (Patrick Cates) Date: Mon Mar 26 13:39:37 2007 Subject: tech question (Was: Re: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <269809.70647.qm@web83013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm only getting about half of these messages. I'm not sure what the problem is. Patrick ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From ktj71 at juno.com Mon Mar 26 20:11:29 2007 From: ktj71 at juno.com (ktj71@juno.com) Date: Mon Mar 26 20:25:21 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! Message-ID: <20070326.161227.18248.2280609@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> Thanks Mark, for describing what made A.C. the phenomenal success that it WAS -- and is no longer. I don’t see social entrepreneurship as playing any particular role -- in fact, I’d boil it down to one word: Co-op! That alone made Antioch super-competitive (w/ long waiting lists) from the ‘20s into the’70s. Its PR and campus-life got muddled in the latter ‘60s (adult units, etc), but the YSO co-op plan was SO good that students kept flocking to it -- until the strikes. (You got out just in time!) As for trustees throwing good money after bad, how could they do anything else, given the failed Plan that they themselves commissioned in 6/03 and adopted in 6/04 -- complete with its estimated costs af $88 million to implement, ALL to be paid (per the original Plan) by the college & its “philanthropic investors.” Katy Jako ‘54 From mark at mekaminski.com Tue Mar 27 13:41:23 2007 From: mark at mekaminski.com (Mark Swanholm) Date: Tue Mar 27 13:52:44 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! In-Reply-To: <20070326.161227.18248.2280609@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> References: <20070326.161227.18248.2280609@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> Message-ID: To the Usual Suspects: While it is nice in a way to see the chat again I notice that it is the same crowd and that speaks to one of Antioch's core problems. There are a couple of dozen folks in a dialog - some angry, some defensive, some disillusioned, some in denial, some lurkers seeking a glimmer of hope - just like a community meeting at Antioch. The problem is that it is just us - we all in our way care about Antioch or we wouldn't take the time to participate... some of us (more than a few) were even crazy enough to go work there to try and help - but we are not enough to turn things around. I think that BECAUSE of Anticoh's nature, its philosphy, what it instills in people at its core (if an institution can be imbued with such personal qualities) is in fact its undoing. We learned to be skeptical, critical, not joiners, adventurous, inquisitive and that new things trump old ones... or some variation on this that we could argue about for weeks. NONE of those things add up to a broad set of alums that provide deep pocketed support. There are a core of us that give time, thoughts and some that give very generously financially - but broadly MOST alums don't participate AND many alums are not in a position to provide hefty donations. We actually have ENOUGH of a financial base (and I know because I have seen the research) to meet the goals of "The Plan" - but that is in theory and that theory is based on numbers that don't apply to our quirky, unique set of alums. By and large our alums give more to philanthropic causes (and here I am anecdotal - but I have talked to a lot of alums so I feel confident in this) - they support AIDS research, Choice, politics, whatever - and give to those causes where their passion lies. We have a lot of donors - but not a lot of large donors... and it really does come down to that. I really don't believe it would matter WHAT the administration or board SAID or even what they DID - no matter what stance, position or proposal came forth 20% would embrace it, 40% would hate it and 40% wouldn't respond. While David makes a credible point about the message being simple and relatively cheap the real issue is that given the average donation size we need to reach a lot of people - and Antiochians are HARD to reach... if we had enough people to fund the plan on the chat list NO PROBLEM... but the 50-60 people here are NOT enough. And the TIME to convince skeptical, questioning and ultimately interested alums is also very high - We are fun to talk to - but gods we like to talk and ask tough questions - to effectively reach and respond to all of the alums would be very difficult (and having tried I can almost say impossible) even with an adequate budget (and the alumni / development office hasn't had an adequate budget for some time - which is a self feeding problem). Antioch has done a great job of turning us out into the world to question authority and hegemony... but it really never thought self-consciously about what this would mean for itself. Had federal funding persisted (from the 60s) and student demographics been on a rising curve (as in the 70's) Antioch could eat its old and go on cranking out first class rebels. But the climate changed - and Antioch's business model (yes it is a business at some level) was not setup to adapt. It didn't know how to hunt alumni - it had ALWAYS (and this is born out in looking at the Morgan years, McGregor years, all of the eras) rejected most of the alums and looked to the future. Guskin (for all his flaws) tried to turn this around - but it was too little, too late - the diaspora had happened and the connection was lost to too many of the people. Now none of this is to say that I don't think the current administration has some serious issues - they do and it starts very directly with Steve. But we have had Presidents with very different strengths, styles and agendas - and the 20/40/40 rule has applied to them all. Sure some were duds - but there were some very capable people in there as well - and at least 1 of them should have struck a cord with donors and students if that were REALLY the issue. I submit to the meat grinder of the chat that THE issue really is US (collectively the alumni) and that Antioch was TOO EFFECTIVE for its own good. Yes we can all say that if only they would adopt a plan that we could support for reasons x,y,z we would rise up and support them - but I am almost certain that they HAVE tried that plan - and it brought along 10-20 percent of us, and that not being enough they moved on to some other plan that put us in the 80% category and dragged someone else into the 20%. For Antioch to survive it needs an infusion of resources - and it needs so many resources now that it would take the support of about 50% of the known alumni base... I have grown skeptical that we can reach that many people, and do it in time. I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong - because for all its flaws David is right - Antioch does have a place in the world that is vital. But from where I sit, in the current climate and resource pool, it seems that Antioch will fall victim to Darwinian forces - evolution does not favor those who have cast out their elders, at least not right now. If we can solve this riddle, then we can talk about esoteric issues like loss of Community Government, a need for a Dean of Students, etc... but until we solve the resource puzzle we will only keep adding to the list of issues that we all love to debate. Mark From leeart at citlink.net Tue Mar 27 14:39:29 2007 From: leeart at citlink.net (Arthur) Date: Tue Mar 27 14:52:38 2007 Subject: Fw: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! Message-ID: <005301c7709f$41a398e0$0301a8c0@q7f7x8> I generally hesitate to be critical unless I can offer a positive alternative, but in this situation I am stymied. When I was a student and asked where I was going to school, the response "Antioch" was instantly recognized. The same question and response today elicits a blank stare. In those days, Antioch was at the vanguard of educational and social change, Today, I don't know what that means. Art Petersen '54 From duffy at antioch-college.edu Tue Mar 27 16:47:51 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Tue Mar 27 15:59:10 2007 Subject: Fw: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! In-Reply-To: <005301c7709f$41a398e0$0301a8c0@q7f7x8> References: <005301c7709f$41a398e0$0301a8c0@q7f7x8> Message-ID: Ah good ole alumni chat...hypercritical and skeptical and a place for pontificating. and thinking your decade wuz the goledn one.....each decade is actually.... This a small voice who works here..(40 years including student years)..still good faculty......small classes...... great students..beautiful environment but with fraying facilities......and scarcity of modern toyz.... also a terrible scarcity of revenue in the form of donations and matriculations. and other university units that compete rather than contribute. we must rebuild or else. everyone's help is needed not just hot air and pre-judgements from afar. I also think co-op has been shrunk a little too much and is the saving grace. but it may take a mulltitude pushing in the right places..(not here for example) to push things back in the better direction. Also some cultural problems.....that will take awhile to evolve....we need money and positive sweat equity........ Antioch and YS are great places. Need help rebuilding. Even if you are feeling alienated and cantakerous please open your heart enough to send some money and mark it unrestricted. I have also worked pretty closely with Institutional Advancement and Budget people and can tell your that there is very little funny stuff happening..... Duffy...'77 anyone wanna tawk ? my email is duffy@antioch-college.edu From tjodon at anla.org Tue Mar 27 17:27:10 2007 From: tjodon at anla.org (Teresa Jodon) Date: Tue Mar 27 17:38:24 2007 Subject: Fw: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! In-Reply-To: References: <005301c7709f$41a398e0$0301a8c0@q7f7x8> Message-ID: <0AF6DBC5CB7A044F83BB7BD736227A8A014A1688@SERVER1.anla.local> Duffy, I wanted to commend you for your level headed and frank remarks about Antioch. I wouldn't want to go back, eat in the caf, or sweat it out in Presidents (RIP) in the summer time heat. But, on days like this as I look out my office window in D.C. with an 80 degree temperature and the sun shining bright, I get a sense of nostalgia, for campus life especially, campus life in Yellow Springs. Big sigh, memories... The undergraduate years IMO are about growing as an individual and challenging yourself. Meeting new people, making friendships, and learning to adapt to what you have, and finding outlets for your creative mind. Education and peer interaction, combined with a co-op program can advance a student and set into motion his/her potential that I think, can't always be met at a traditional 4-yr college. I don't fully comprehend how the co-op program works now. I attended 1995-1999, but I liked the adventure and challenge of finding a co-op, and just going and making things work. If a student does it right, years of professional development will be gained and that student will be a stand out when going for the first "real job". That's my opinion of course. Anyway, my biggest problem in recommending Antioch to prospective students is the lack of modern tools, and facilities. I hear you Duffy, I haven't figured out how to grow a money tree, and can't buy a new wing for the library but my next donation will be to the Antioch General Fund. Peace and light, Teresa Jodon '99 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Steven Duffy Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:48 PM To: Alumni Chat List Cc: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: Re: Fw: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! Ah good ole alumni chat...hypercritical and skeptical and a place for pontificating. and thinking your decade wuz the goledn one.....each decade is actually.... This a small voice who works here..(40 years including student years)..still good faculty......small classes...... great students..beautiful environment but with fraying facilities......and scarcity of modern toyz.... also a terrible scarcity of revenue in the form of donations and matriculations. and other university units that compete rather than contribute. we must rebuild or else. everyone's help is needed not just hot air and pre-judgements from afar. I also think co-op has been shrunk a little too much and is the saving grace. but it may take a mulltitude pushing in the right places..(not here for example) to push things back in the better direction. Also some cultural problems.....that will take awhile to evolve....we need money and positive sweat equity........ Antioch and YS are great places. Need help rebuilding. Even if you are feeling alienated and cantakerous please open your heart enough to send some money and mark it unrestricted. I have also worked pretty closely with Institutional Advancement and Budget people and can tell your that there is very little funny stuff happening..... Duffy...'77 anyone wanna tawk ? my email is duffy@antioch-college.edu _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From mbrower32 at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 18:01:55 2007 From: mbrower32 at comcast.net (Michael Brower) Date: Tue Mar 27 18:28:58 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Then, Now and Future Message-ID: Dear Fellow Alums, Good to see this Chat forum up and running and suddenly being used so much. A healthy sign. I want to post 3 cautions, all of which relate to avoiding over- simplifying, and then 4 suggestions. Cautions: 1. Please avoid trying to identify any ONE single cause or force or aspect of Antioch that made it once great. I have written a draft two page paper which I have not yet posted anywhere on "Ten Reasons Why Antioch College Was, and Will Again Be, the Highest Quality American College." You may or may not agree with all of my 10, or that there really are as many as 10 reasons, But if you stop to think about it, I'll bet you would ALL agree that Horace Mann's famous charge to us was one. How about Co-op, and also high quality faculty, small classes, and a very diverse student body. See, up to 5 already! And for many of us, Community Government is a strong 6th at least as important as many of the above. 2. Please avoid attributing Antioch's, and our, current predicament to any one single cause or structure or group or person. I hear and read every day that the blame lies with the Antioch University system, with the Board of Trustees, with past Administrations, with current President Steve Lawry, with Alums who have deserted Antioch, with the PR office, with inadequate Recruitment efforts, with the current student body, with a "toxic student culture." Etc., etc. And now today one Alum posts that it is due to lack of a Professional PR firm. Come on, folks. We have to think historically, culturally, economically, competitively and more in total systems terms. The problem is complex and there is no one single simple cause. 3. Therefore, there is no one single simple solution. No, the solution is not throwing out the Renewal Commission plan for Freshman cross-disciplinary Core courses. Although the faculty did very recently review this and decide to cut this plan back to Fall semester only. No, the solution is NOT to divorce Antioch College from what is left of the University system. (Sorry Katy Jako, I know that some years ago, when the University was much more vast and sprawling, you advocated this.) Today the other University branches (there are only 5 others left!) subsidize Antioch College and without them we would close tomorrow. No, the solution is not to fire Steve Lawry and hope for somebody better. Steve has a tremendous background and values for Antioch, is working his tail off for us, has a lot to learn about Antioch's history and culture, is willing to learn, and is in fact learning very fast. Our job is not to undercut him. It is to help him succeed. He may be our last chance! Here are 4 things that we, all alums, can do, at a minimum: 1. Donate whatever we can to the Annual Fund, and if possible also to the Capital Campaign. You want to know why Oberlin is doing better? Try, for starters, an endowment close to 25 times as large as Antioch's meager $30 million! Are you a recent grad, or working in non-profit, or low income for any reason? OK, then give whatever you can to the Alumni Fund. Even $50. Why is that so important? Because big donors and Foundations look not only at total amounts raised by the College, but also at the percentage of Alums who donate. Anything. Even $25! 2. Help the Admissions Office identify candidates. Get trained for, and then go to High Schools and College Fairs. Volunteer to call or write postcards to prospective students. Then write to students who are admitted, welcoming them to Antioch. 3. Organize an Alumni Chapter in your city or town. Of if there is already a Chapter there, get involved. In Boston we started our Chapter 28 months ago and we have already had Sixteen (16) Chapter meetings. With 5 more planned for 2007! You will meet old friends and make new ones. You will learn in much more depth what is gong on at Antioch. You will find channels to have some input and influence if that is what you want. And guess what? When Alums long disconnected from the College are then asked for a donation, by a caller from Antioch, or by you or me, they are MUCH more likely to give. Every professional fund raiser will tell you that. And I have personally experienced it over and over again. Call the Alumni office, Risa or Amy, for info and ideas. 4. Attend Reunion in June. You will find much of the old Antioch still there to love. You will get re-involved. And you will, hopefully, jump in and start becoming part of the solution -- just as I did after the 2004 Reunion. See you there! --- Mike Brower '55 and Member, Alumni Board From marklp2 at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 18:42:54 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Tue Mar 27 18:54:07 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! In-Reply-To: References: <20070326.161227.18248.2280609@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> Message-ID: <00e601c770c1$432b2ad0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> I have to agree with Mark S.'s major points. It never even occurred to me that alums would be the major source of baling out Antioch from its financial woes. My take would be to refresh the ideas that once made Antioch great and sell them to a new generation of student looking for an activist educational experience with a real career path as change agents (just like Morgan used to say). There aren't too many jobs as radicals in residence anymore. But there are an increasing number of opportunities to be a social entrepreneur, and foundation funding and $ from "venture philanthropists" who like this approach. Most of us are just too old to appreciate this I think. Most of the academic programs I hear about are student driven. This is the kind of education an increasing number of students (who have heard of people like Mohammed Yunus) want. Mark P. AC '71 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Swanholm Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:41 AM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! To the Usual Suspects: While it is nice in a way to see the chat again I notice that it is the same crowd and that speaks to one of Antioch's core problems. There are a couple of dozen folks in a dialog - some angry, some defensive, some disillusioned, some in denial, some lurkers seeking a glimmer of hope - just like a community meeting at Antioch. The problem is that it is just us - we all in our way care about Antioch or we wouldn't take the time to participate... some of us (more than a few) were even crazy enough to go work there to try and help - but we are not enough to turn things around. I think that BECAUSE of Anticoh's nature, its philosphy, what it instills in people at its core (if an institution can be imbued with such personal qualities) is in fact its undoing. We learned to be skeptical, critical, not joiners, adventurous, inquisitive and that new things trump old ones... or some variation on this that we could argue about for weeks. NONE of those things add up to a broad set of alums that provide deep pocketed support. There are a core of us that give time, thoughts and some that give very generously financially - but broadly MOST alums don't participate AND many alums are not in a position to provide hefty donations. We actually have ENOUGH of a financial base (and I know because I have seen the research) to meet the goals of "The Plan" - but that is in theory and that theory is based on numbers that don't apply to our quirky, unique set of alums. By and large our alums give more to philanthropic causes (and here I am anecdotal - but I have talked to a lot of alums so I feel confident in this) - they support AIDS research, Choice, politics, whatever - and give to those causes where their passion lies. We have a lot of donors - but not a lot of large donors... and it really does come down to that. I really don't believe it would matter WHAT the administration or board SAID or even what they DID - no matter what stance, position or proposal came forth 20% would embrace it, 40% would hate it and 40% wouldn't respond. While David makes a credible point about the message being simple and relatively cheap the real issue is that given the average donation size we need to reach a lot of people - and Antiochians are HARD to reach... if we had enough people to fund the plan on the chat list NO PROBLEM... but the 50-60 people here are NOT enough. And the TIME to convince skeptical, questioning and ultimately interested alums is also very high - We are fun to talk to - but gods we like to talk and ask tough questions - to effectively reach and respond to all of the alums would be very difficult (and having tried I can almost say impossible) even with an adequate budget (and the alumni / development office hasn't had an adequate budget for some time - which is a self feeding problem). Antioch has done a great job of turning us out into the world to question authority and hegemony... but it really never thought self-consciously about what this would mean for itself. Had federal funding persisted (from the 60s) and student demographics been on a rising curve (as in the 70's) Antioch could eat its old and go on cranking out first class rebels. But the climate changed - and Antioch's business model (yes it is a business at some level) was not setup to adapt. It didn't know how to hunt alumni - it had ALWAYS (and this is born out in looking at the Morgan years, McGregor years, all of the eras) rejected most of the alums and looked to the future. Guskin (for all his flaws) tried to turn this around - but it was too little, too late - the diaspora had happened and the connection was lost to too many of the people. Now none of this is to say that I don't think the current administration has some serious issues - they do and it starts very directly with Steve. But we have had Presidents with very different strengths, styles and agendas - and the 20/40/40 rule has applied to them all. Sure some were duds - but there were some very capable people in there as well - and at least 1 of them should have struck a cord with donors and students if that were REALLY the issue. I submit to the meat grinder of the chat that THE issue really is US (collectively the alumni) and that Antioch was TOO EFFECTIVE for its own good. Yes we can all say that if only they would adopt a plan that we could support for reasons x,y,z we would rise up and support them - but I am almost certain that they HAVE tried that plan - and it brought along 10-20 percent of us, and that not being enough they moved on to some other plan that put us in the 80% category and dragged someone else into the 20%. For Antioch to survive it needs an infusion of resources - and it needs so many resources now that it would take the support of about 50% of the known alumni base... I have grown skeptical that we can reach that many people, and do it in time. I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong - because for all its flaws David is right - Antioch does have a place in the world that is vital. But from where I sit, in the current climate and resource pool, it seems that Antioch will fall victim to Darwinian forces - evolution does not favor those who have cast out their elders, at least not right now. If we can solve this riddle, then we can talk about esoteric issues like loss of Community Government, a need for a Dean of Students, etc... but until we solve the resource puzzle we will only keep adding to the list of issues that we all love to debate. Mark _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From mark at mekaminski.com Tue Mar 27 20:56:28 2007 From: mark at mekaminski.com (Mark Swanholm) Date: Tue Mar 27 21:07:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! In-Reply-To: <00e601c770c1$432b2ad0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> References: <20070326.161227.18248.2280609@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> <00e601c770c1$432b2ad0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: <53D9F10B-DB44-41D9-AE65-6C980908EEFA@mekaminski.com> Mark P - I think you make a good, and hopeful point. To take the Darwinian analogy I posited earlier a step further if we look to alums (even successful and generous ones like Lee Morgan) to "save Antioch" it is as if we could plop a cave man down today and expect him to become a CEO... What has brought Antioch to this point is not a single cause or misstep (to Mike Brower's excellent points) - it is a series of little things - or lack of little adaptions - that have left Antioch in an environment in which it is not equipped to survive. This is where I have to disagree with Mike and agree with Mark P - looking for alums to save the college is not a viable answer. Doesn't mean we don't TRY, doesn't mean we aren't NEEDED, doesn't mean that someday we wouldn't be a large part of the SOLUTION - but I don't think it gets us past extinction to make that the cornerstone of the plan. Instead Mark is correct - Antioch has to look forward for the answers - Social Entrepreneurship is a great way but there are other possibilities as well. The Plan has some of this - but the Plan is also steeped in saving the college by looking back. I don't want Duffy to think I am a skeptic - I don't intend to sit back and wax poetic about lost eras and begone greatness. Duffy is definitely right - the kids at Antioch are as amazing as ever and doing amazing things - the problem isn't that the education sucks now - it is that the business model isn't sustainable. Perhaps there is no way around this - if we want that revolutionary set of ideals to flourish perhaps we have to LET GO and let it become the idea of a new generation. It will NEVER be what it WAS - because that is not what is great about it... Embracing that ideal is hard - and keeping it alive may (just may) prove very hard indeed. Mark On Mar 27, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Mark Pomerantz wrote: > I have to agree with Mark S.'s major points. It never even occurred > to me > that alums would be the major source of baling out Antioch from its > financial woes. My take would be to refresh the ideas that once > made Antioch > great and sell them to a new generation of student looking for an > activist > educational experience with a real career path as change agents > (just like > Morgan used to say). There aren't too many jobs as radicals in > residence > anymore. But there are an increasing number of opportunities to be > a social > entrepreneur, and foundation funding and $ from "venture > philanthropists" > who like this approach. Most of us are just too old to appreciate > this I > think. Most of the academic programs I hear about are student > driven. This > is the kind of education an increasing number of students (who have > heard of > people like Mohammed Yunus) want. > > Mark P. AC '71 > > -----Original Message----- > From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Swanholm > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:41 AM > To: Alumni Chat List > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! > > To the Usual Suspects: > > While it is nice in a way to see the chat again I notice that it is > the same crowd and that speaks to one of Antioch's core problems. > There are a couple of dozen folks in a dialog - some angry, some > defensive, some disillusioned, some in denial, some lurkers seeking a > glimmer of hope - just like a community meeting at Antioch. The > problem is that it is just us - we all in our way care about Antioch > or we wouldn't take the time to participate... some of us (more than > a few) were even crazy enough to go work there to try and help - but > we are not enough to turn things around. I think that BECAUSE of > Anticoh's nature, its philosphy, what it instills in people at its > core (if an institution can be imbued with such personal qualities) > is in fact its undoing. We learned to be skeptical, critical, not > joiners, adventurous, inquisitive and that new things trump old > ones... or some variation on this that we could argue about for > weeks. NONE of those things add up to a broad set of alums that > provide deep pocketed support. There are a core of us that give > time, thoughts and some that give very generously financially - but > broadly MOST alums don't participate AND many alums are not in a > position to provide hefty donations. We actually have ENOUGH of a > financial base (and I know because I have seen the research) to meet > the goals of "The Plan" - but that is in theory and that theory is > based on numbers that don't apply to our quirky, unique set of > alums. By and large our alums give more to philanthropic causes (and > here I am anecdotal - but I have talked to a lot of alums so I feel > confident in this) - they support AIDS research, Choice, politics, > whatever - and give to those causes where their passion lies. We > have a lot of donors - but not a lot of large donors... and it really > does come down to that. I really don't believe it would matter WHAT > the administration or board SAID or even what they DID - no matter > what stance, position or proposal came forth 20% would embrace it, > 40% would hate it and 40% wouldn't respond. > > While David makes a credible point about the message being simple and > relatively cheap the real issue is that given the average donation > size we need to reach a lot of people - and Antiochians are HARD to > reach... if we had enough people to fund the plan on the chat list NO > PROBLEM... but the 50-60 people here are NOT enough. And the TIME to > convince skeptical, questioning and ultimately interested alums is > also very high - We are fun to talk to - but gods we like to talk and > ask tough questions - to effectively reach and respond to all of the > alums would be very difficult (and having tried I can almost say > impossible) even with an adequate budget (and the alumni / > development office hasn't had an adequate budget for some time - > which is a self feeding problem). Antioch has done a great job of > turning us out into the world to question authority and hegemony... > but it really never thought self-consciously about what this would > mean for itself. Had federal funding persisted (from the 60s) and > student demographics been on a rising curve (as in the 70's) Antioch > could eat its old and go on cranking out first class rebels. But the > climate changed - and Antioch's business model (yes it is a business > at some level) was not setup to adapt. It didn't know how to hunt > alumni - it had ALWAYS (and this is born out in looking at the Morgan > years, McGregor years, all of the eras) rejected most of the alums > and looked to the future. Guskin (for all his flaws) tried to turn > this around - but it was too little, too late - the diaspora had > happened and the connection was lost to too many of the people. > > Now none of this is to say that I don't think the current > administration has some serious issues - they do and it starts very > directly with Steve. But we have had Presidents with very different > strengths, styles and agendas - and the 20/40/40 rule has applied to > them all. Sure some were duds - but there were some very capable > people in there as well - and at least 1 of them should have struck a > cord with donors and students if that were REALLY the issue. I > submit to the meat grinder of the chat that THE issue really is US > (collectively the alumni) and that Antioch was TOO EFFECTIVE for its > own good. Yes we can all say that if only they would adopt a plan > that we could support for reasons x,y,z we would rise up and support > them - but I am almost certain that they HAVE tried that plan - and > it brought along 10-20 percent of us, and that not being enough they > moved on to some other plan that put us in the 80% category and > dragged someone else into the 20%. For Antioch to survive it needs > an infusion of resources - and it needs so many resources now that it > would take the support of about 50% of the known alumni base... I > have grown skeptical that we can reach that many people, and do it in > time. > > I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong - because for all > its flaws David is right - Antioch does have a place in the world > that is vital. But from where I sit, in the current climate and > resource pool, it seems that Antioch will fall victim to Darwinian > forces - evolution does not favor those who have cast out their > elders, at least not right now. If we can solve this riddle, then we > can talk about esoteric issues like loss of Community Government, a > need for a Dean of Students, etc... but until we solve the resource > puzzle we will only keep adding to the list of issues that we all > love to debate. > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From marklp2 at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 21:03:06 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Tue Mar 27 21:14:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! In-Reply-To: <53D9F10B-DB44-41D9-AE65-6C980908EEFA@mekaminski.com> References: <20070326.161227.18248.2280609@webmail05.nyc.untd.com><00e601c770c1$432b2ad0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> <53D9F10B-DB44-41D9-AE65-6C980908EEFA@mekaminski.com> Message-ID: <011801c770d4$d8b114d0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Great stuff Mark S., So instead of reining the students in let the ones that really want positive change take the lead in more areas. Why not make part of a computer science curriculum be about how to generate the funds for the modern technology that's needed at Antioch. Mark P. -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Swanholm Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:56 PM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! Mark P - I think you make a good, and hopeful point. To take the Darwinian analogy I posited earlier a step further if we look to alums (even successful and generous ones like Lee Morgan) to "save Antioch" it is as if we could plop a cave man down today and expect him to become a CEO... What has brought Antioch to this point is not a single cause or misstep (to Mike Brower's excellent points) - it is a series of little things - or lack of little adaptions - that have left Antioch in an environment in which it is not equipped to survive. This is where I have to disagree with Mike and agree with Mark P - looking for alums to save the college is not a viable answer. Doesn't mean we don't TRY, doesn't mean we aren't NEEDED, doesn't mean that someday we wouldn't be a large part of the SOLUTION - but I don't think it gets us past extinction to make that the cornerstone of the plan. Instead Mark is correct - Antioch has to look forward for the answers - Social Entrepreneurship is a great way but there are other possibilities as well. The Plan has some of this - but the Plan is also steeped in saving the college by looking back. I don't want Duffy to think I am a skeptic - I don't intend to sit back and wax poetic about lost eras and begone greatness. Duffy is definitely right - the kids at Antioch are as amazing as ever and doing amazing things - the problem isn't that the education sucks now - it is that the business model isn't sustainable. Perhaps there is no way around this - if we want that revolutionary set of ideals to flourish perhaps we have to LET GO and let it become the idea of a new generation. It will NEVER be what it WAS - because that is not what is great about it... Embracing that ideal is hard - and keeping it alive may (just may) prove very hard indeed. Mark On Mar 27, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Mark Pomerantz wrote: > I have to agree with Mark S.'s major points. It never even occurred > to me > that alums would be the major source of baling out Antioch from its > financial woes. My take would be to refresh the ideas that once > made Antioch > great and sell them to a new generation of student looking for an > activist > educational experience with a real career path as change agents > (just like > Morgan used to say). There aren't too many jobs as radicals in > residence > anymore. But there are an increasing number of opportunities to be > a social > entrepreneur, and foundation funding and $ from "venture > philanthropists" > who like this approach. Most of us are just too old to appreciate > this I > think. Most of the academic programs I hear about are student > driven. This > is the kind of education an increasing number of students (who have > heard of > people like Mohammed Yunus) want. > > Mark P. AC '71 > > -----Original Message----- > From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Swanholm > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:41 AM > To: Alumni Chat List > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! > > To the Usual Suspects: > > While it is nice in a way to see the chat again I notice that it is > the same crowd and that speaks to one of Antioch's core problems. > There are a couple of dozen folks in a dialog - some angry, some > defensive, some disillusioned, some in denial, some lurkers seeking a > glimmer of hope - just like a community meeting at Antioch. The > problem is that it is just us - we all in our way care about Antioch > or we wouldn't take the time to participate... some of us (more than > a few) were even crazy enough to go work there to try and help - but > we are not enough to turn things around. I think that BECAUSE of > Anticoh's nature, its philosphy, what it instills in people at its > core (if an institution can be imbued with such personal qualities) > is in fact its undoing. We learned to be skeptical, critical, not > joiners, adventurous, inquisitive and that new things trump old > ones... or some variation on this that we could argue about for > weeks. NONE of those things add up to a broad set of alums that > provide deep pocketed support. There are a core of us that give > time, thoughts and some that give very generously financially - but > broadly MOST alums don't participate AND many alums are not in a > position to provide hefty donations. We actually have ENOUGH of a > financial base (and I know because I have seen the research) to meet > the goals of "The Plan" - but that is in theory and that theory is > based on numbers that don't apply to our quirky, unique set of > alums. By and large our alums give more to philanthropic causes (and > here I am anecdotal - but I have talked to a lot of alums so I feel > confident in this) - they support AIDS research, Choice, politics, > whatever - and give to those causes where their passion lies. We > have a lot of donors - but not a lot of large donors... and it really > does come down to that. I really don't believe it would matter WHAT > the administration or board SAID or even what they DID - no matter > what stance, position or proposal came forth 20% would embrace it, > 40% would hate it and 40% wouldn't respond. > > While David makes a credible point about the message being simple and > relatively cheap the real issue is that given the average donation > size we need to reach a lot of people - and Antiochians are HARD to > reach... if we had enough people to fund the plan on the chat list NO > PROBLEM... but the 50-60 people here are NOT enough. And the TIME to > convince skeptical, questioning and ultimately interested alums is > also very high - We are fun to talk to - but gods we like to talk and > ask tough questions - to effectively reach and respond to all of the > alums would be very difficult (and having tried I can almost say > impossible) even with an adequate budget (and the alumni / > development office hasn't had an adequate budget for some time - > which is a self feeding problem). Antioch has done a great job of > turning us out into the world to question authority and hegemony... > but it really never thought self-consciously about what this would > mean for itself. Had federal funding persisted (from the 60s) and > student demographics been on a rising curve (as in the 70's) Antioch > could eat its old and go on cranking out first class rebels. But the > climate changed - and Antioch's business model (yes it is a business > at some level) was not setup to adapt. It didn't know how to hunt > alumni - it had ALWAYS (and this is born out in looking at the Morgan > years, McGregor years, all of the eras) rejected most of the alums > and looked to the future. Guskin (for all his flaws) tried to turn > this around - but it was too little, too late - the diaspora had > happened and the connection was lost to too many of the people. > > Now none of this is to say that I don't think the current > administration has some serious issues - they do and it starts very > directly with Steve. But we have had Presidents with very different > strengths, styles and agendas - and the 20/40/40 rule has applied to > them all. Sure some were duds - but there were some very capable > people in there as well - and at least 1 of them should have struck a > cord with donors and students if that were REALLY the issue. I > submit to the meat grinder of the chat that THE issue really is US > (collectively the alumni) and that Antioch was TOO EFFECTIVE for its > own good. Yes we can all say that if only they would adopt a plan > that we could support for reasons x,y,z we would rise up and support > them - but I am almost certain that they HAVE tried that plan - and > it brought along 10-20 percent of us, and that not being enough they > moved on to some other plan that put us in the 80% category and > dragged someone else into the 20%. For Antioch to survive it needs > an infusion of resources - and it needs so many resources now that it > would take the support of about 50% of the known alumni base... I > have grown skeptical that we can reach that many people, and do it in > time. > > I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong - because for all > its flaws David is right - Antioch does have a place in the world > that is vital. But from where I sit, in the current climate and > resource pool, it seems that Antioch will fall victim to Darwinian > forces - evolution does not favor those who have cast out their > elders, at least not right now. If we can solve this riddle, then we > can talk about esoteric issues like loss of Community Government, a > need for a Dean of Students, etc... but until we solve the resource > puzzle we will only keep adding to the list of issues that we all > love to debate. > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From brian at tangent.org Tue Mar 27 21:26:00 2007 From: brian at tangent.org (Brian Aker) Date: Tue Mar 27 21:37:18 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! In-Reply-To: <011801c770d4$d8b114d0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> References: <20070326.161227.18248.2280609@webmail05.nyc.untd.com><00e601c770c1$432b2ad0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> <53D9F10B-DB44-41D9-AE65-6C980908EEFA@mekaminski.com> <011801c770d4$d8b114d0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: <54FC5159-8241-4931-94CD-D5026138D264@tangent.org> Hi! On Mar 27, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Mark Pomerantz wrote: > change take the lead in more areas. Why not make part of a computer > science > curriculum be about how to generate the funds for the modern > technology > that's needed at Antioch. I thought the computer science department was done in years ago? Cheers, -Brian > > Mark P. > > -----Original Message----- > From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Swanholm > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:56 PM > To: Alumni Chat List > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! > > Mark P - I think you make a good, and hopeful point. To take the > Darwinian analogy I posited earlier a step further if we look to > alums (even successful and generous ones like Lee Morgan) to "save > Antioch" it is as if we could plop a cave man down today and expect > him to become a CEO... What has brought Antioch to this point is not > a single cause or misstep (to Mike Brower's excellent points) - it is > a series of little things - or lack of little adaptions - that have > left Antioch in an environment in which it is not equipped to > survive. This is where I have to disagree with Mike and agree with > Mark P - looking for alums to save the college is not a viable > answer. Doesn't mean we don't TRY, doesn't mean we aren't NEEDED, > doesn't mean that someday we wouldn't be a large part of the SOLUTION > - but I don't think it gets us past extinction to make that the > cornerstone of the plan. Instead Mark is correct - Antioch has to > look forward for the answers - Social Entrepreneurship is a great way > but there are other possibilities as well. The Plan has some of this > - but the Plan is also steeped in saving the college by looking > back. I don't want Duffy to think I am a skeptic - I don't intend to > sit back and wax poetic about lost eras and begone greatness. Duffy > is definitely right - the kids at Antioch are as amazing as ever and > doing amazing things - the problem isn't that the education sucks now > - it is that the business model isn't sustainable. Perhaps there is > no way around this - if we want that revolutionary set of ideals to > flourish perhaps we have to LET GO and let it become the idea of a > new generation. It will NEVER be what it WAS - because that is not > what is great about it... Embracing that ideal is hard - and keeping > it alive may (just may) prove very hard indeed. > > Mark > > On Mar 27, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Mark Pomerantz wrote: > >> I have to agree with Mark S.'s major points. It never even occurred >> to me >> that alums would be the major source of baling out Antioch from its >> financial woes. My take would be to refresh the ideas that once >> made Antioch >> great and sell them to a new generation of student looking for an >> activist >> educational experience with a real career path as change agents >> (just like >> Morgan used to say). There aren't too many jobs as radicals in >> residence >> anymore. But there are an increasing number of opportunities to be >> a social >> entrepreneur, and foundation funding and $ from "venture >> philanthropists" >> who like this approach. Most of us are just too old to appreciate >> this I >> think. Most of the academic programs I hear about are student >> driven. This >> is the kind of education an increasing number of students (who have >> heard of >> people like Mohammed Yunus) want. >> >> Mark P. AC '71 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >> [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Mark >> Swanholm >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:41 AM >> To: Alumni Chat List >> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! >> >> To the Usual Suspects: >> >> While it is nice in a way to see the chat again I notice that it is >> the same crowd and that speaks to one of Antioch's core problems. >> There are a couple of dozen folks in a dialog - some angry, some >> defensive, some disillusioned, some in denial, some lurkers seeking a >> glimmer of hope - just like a community meeting at Antioch. The >> problem is that it is just us - we all in our way care about Antioch >> or we wouldn't take the time to participate... some of us (more than >> a few) were even crazy enough to go work there to try and help - but >> we are not enough to turn things around. I think that BECAUSE of >> Anticoh's nature, its philosphy, what it instills in people at its >> core (if an institution can be imbued with such personal qualities) >> is in fact its undoing. We learned to be skeptical, critical, not >> joiners, adventurous, inquisitive and that new things trump old >> ones... or some variation on this that we could argue about for >> weeks. NONE of those things add up to a broad set of alums that >> provide deep pocketed support. There are a core of us that give >> time, thoughts and some that give very generously financially - but >> broadly MOST alums don't participate AND many alums are not in a >> position to provide hefty donations. We actually have ENOUGH of a >> financial base (and I know because I have seen the research) to meet >> the goals of "The Plan" - but that is in theory and that theory is >> based on numbers that don't apply to our quirky, unique set of >> alums. By and large our alums give more to philanthropic causes (and >> here I am anecdotal - but I have talked to a lot of alums so I feel >> confident in this) - they support AIDS research, Choice, politics, >> whatever - and give to those causes where their passion lies. We >> have a lot of donors - but not a lot of large donors... and it really >> does come down to that. I really don't believe it would matter WHAT >> the administration or board SAID or even what they DID - no matter >> what stance, position or proposal came forth 20% would embrace it, >> 40% would hate it and 40% wouldn't respond. >> >> While David makes a credible point about the message being simple and >> relatively cheap the real issue is that given the average donation >> size we need to reach a lot of people - and Antiochians are HARD to >> reach... if we had enough people to fund the plan on the chat list NO >> PROBLEM... but the 50-60 people here are NOT enough. And the TIME to >> convince skeptical, questioning and ultimately interested alums is >> also very high - We are fun to talk to - but gods we like to talk and >> ask tough questions - to effectively reach and respond to all of the >> alums would be very difficult (and having tried I can almost say >> impossible) even with an adequate budget (and the alumni / >> development office hasn't had an adequate budget for some time - >> which is a self feeding problem). Antioch has done a great job of >> turning us out into the world to question authority and hegemony... >> but it really never thought self-consciously about what this would >> mean for itself. Had federal funding persisted (from the 60s) and >> student demographics been on a rising curve (as in the 70's) Antioch >> could eat its old and go on cranking out first class rebels. But the >> climate changed - and Antioch's business model (yes it is a business >> at some level) was not setup to adapt. It didn't know how to hunt >> alumni - it had ALWAYS (and this is born out in looking at the Morgan >> years, McGregor years, all of the eras) rejected most of the alums >> and looked to the future. Guskin (for all his flaws) tried to turn >> this around - but it was too little, too late - the diaspora had >> happened and the connection was lost to too many of the people. >> >> Now none of this is to say that I don't think the current >> administration has some serious issues - they do and it starts very >> directly with Steve. But we have had Presidents with very different >> strengths, styles and agendas - and the 20/40/40 rule has applied to >> them all. Sure some were duds - but there were some very capable >> people in there as well - and at least 1 of them should have struck a >> cord with donors and students if that were REALLY the issue. I >> submit to the meat grinder of the chat that THE issue really is US >> (collectively the alumni) and that Antioch was TOO EFFECTIVE for its >> own good. Yes we can all say that if only they would adopt a plan >> that we could support for reasons x,y,z we would rise up and support >> them - but I am almost certain that they HAVE tried that plan - and >> it brought along 10-20 percent of us, and that not being enough they >> moved on to some other plan that put us in the 80% category and >> dragged someone else into the 20%. For Antioch to survive it needs >> an infusion of resources - and it needs so many resources now that it >> would take the support of about 50% of the known alumni base... I >> have grown skeptical that we can reach that many people, and do it in >> time. >> >> I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong - because for all >> its flaws David is right - Antioch does have a place in the world >> that is vital. But from where I sit, in the current climate and >> resource pool, it seems that Antioch will fall victim to Darwinian >> forces - evolution does not favor those who have cast out their >> elders, at least not right now. If we can solve this riddle, then we >> can talk about esoteric issues like loss of Community Government, a >> need for a Dean of Students, etc... but until we solve the resource >> puzzle we will only keep adding to the list of issues that we all >> love to debate. >> >> Mark >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alumni-chat mailing list >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alumni-chat mailing list >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat -- _______________________________________________________ Brian "Krow" Aker, brian at tangent.org Seattle, Washington http://krow.net/ http://tangent.org/ _______________________________________________________ You can't grep a dead tree. From marklp2 at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 21:29:10 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Tue Mar 27 21:40:24 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! In-Reply-To: <54FC5159-8241-4931-94CD-D5026138D264@tangent.org> References: <20070326.161227.18248.2280609@webmail05.nyc.untd.com><00e601c770c1$432b2ad0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f><53D9F10B-DB44-41D9-AE65-6C980908EEFA@mekaminski.com><011801c770d4$d8b114d0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> <54FC5159-8241-4931-94CD-D5026138D264@tangent.org> Message-ID: <012501c770d8$7d139270$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> It was. That's part of the problem in attracting students. -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Brian Aker Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 6:26 PM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! Hi! On Mar 27, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Mark Pomerantz wrote: > change take the lead in more areas. Why not make part of a computer > science > curriculum be about how to generate the funds for the modern > technology > that's needed at Antioch. I thought the computer science department was done in years ago? Cheers, -Brian > > Mark P. > > -----Original Message----- > From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Swanholm > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:56 PM > To: Alumni Chat List > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! > > Mark P - I think you make a good, and hopeful point. To take the > Darwinian analogy I posited earlier a step further if we look to > alums (even successful and generous ones like Lee Morgan) to "save > Antioch" it is as if we could plop a cave man down today and expect > him to become a CEO... What has brought Antioch to this point is not > a single cause or misstep (to Mike Brower's excellent points) - it is > a series of little things - or lack of little adaptions - that have > left Antioch in an environment in which it is not equipped to > survive. This is where I have to disagree with Mike and agree with > Mark P - looking for alums to save the college is not a viable > answer. Doesn't mean we don't TRY, doesn't mean we aren't NEEDED, > doesn't mean that someday we wouldn't be a large part of the SOLUTION > - but I don't think it gets us past extinction to make that the > cornerstone of the plan. Instead Mark is correct - Antioch has to > look forward for the answers - Social Entrepreneurship is a great way > but there are other possibilities as well. The Plan has some of this > - but the Plan is also steeped in saving the college by looking > back. I don't want Duffy to think I am a skeptic - I don't intend to > sit back and wax poetic about lost eras and begone greatness. Duffy > is definitely right - the kids at Antioch are as amazing as ever and > doing amazing things - the problem isn't that the education sucks now > - it is that the business model isn't sustainable. Perhaps there is > no way around this - if we want that revolutionary set of ideals to > flourish perhaps we have to LET GO and let it become the idea of a > new generation. It will NEVER be what it WAS - because that is not > what is great about it... Embracing that ideal is hard - and keeping > it alive may (just may) prove very hard indeed. > > Mark > > On Mar 27, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Mark Pomerantz wrote: > >> I have to agree with Mark S.'s major points. It never even occurred >> to me >> that alums would be the major source of baling out Antioch from its >> financial woes. My take would be to refresh the ideas that once >> made Antioch >> great and sell them to a new generation of student looking for an >> activist >> educational experience with a real career path as change agents >> (just like >> Morgan used to say). There aren't too many jobs as radicals in >> residence >> anymore. But there are an increasing number of opportunities to be >> a social >> entrepreneur, and foundation funding and $ from "venture >> philanthropists" >> who like this approach. Most of us are just too old to appreciate >> this I >> think. Most of the academic programs I hear about are student >> driven. This >> is the kind of education an increasing number of students (who have >> heard of >> people like Mohammed Yunus) want. >> >> Mark P. AC '71 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >> [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Mark >> Swanholm >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:41 AM >> To: Alumni Chat List >> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Selling Antioch! >> >> To the Usual Suspects: >> >> While it is nice in a way to see the chat again I notice that it is >> the same crowd and that speaks to one of Antioch's core problems. >> There are a couple of dozen folks in a dialog - some angry, some >> defensive, some disillusioned, some in denial, some lurkers seeking a >> glimmer of hope - just like a community meeting at Antioch. The >> problem is that it is just us - we all in our way care about Antioch >> or we wouldn't take the time to participate... some of us (more than >> a few) were even crazy enough to go work there to try and help - but >> we are not enough to turn things around. I think that BECAUSE of >> Anticoh's nature, its philosphy, what it instills in people at its >> core (if an institution can be imbued with such personal qualities) >> is in fact its undoing. We learned to be skeptical, critical, not >> joiners, adventurous, inquisitive and that new things trump old >> ones... or some variation on this that we could argue about for >> weeks. NONE of those things add up to a broad set of alums that >> provide deep pocketed support. There are a core of us that give >> time, thoughts and some that give very generously financially - but >> broadly MOST alums don't participate AND many alums are not in a >> position to provide hefty donations. We actually have ENOUGH of a >> financial base (and I know because I have seen the research) to meet >> the goals of "The Plan" - but that is in theory and that theory is >> based on numbers that don't apply to our quirky, unique set of >> alums. By and large our alums give more to philanthropic causes (and >> here I am anecdotal - but I have talked to a lot of alums so I feel >> confident in this) - they support AIDS research, Choice, politics, >> whatever - and give to those causes where their passion lies. We >> have a lot of donors - but not a lot of large donors... and it really >> does come down to that. I really don't believe it would matter WHAT >> the administration or board SAID or even what they DID - no matter >> what stance, position or proposal came forth 20% would embrace it, >> 40% would hate it and 40% wouldn't respond. >> >> While David makes a credible point about the message being simple and >> relatively cheap the real issue is that given the average donation >> size we need to reach a lot of people - and Antiochians are HARD to >> reach... if we had enough people to fund the plan on the chat list NO >> PROBLEM... but the 50-60 people here are NOT enough. And the TIME to >> convince skeptical, questioning and ultimately interested alums is >> also very high - We are fun to talk to - but gods we like to talk and >> ask tough questions - to effectively reach and respond to all of the >> alums would be very difficult (and having tried I can almost say >> impossible) even with an adequate budget (and the alumni / >> development office hasn't had an adequate budget for some time - >> which is a self feeding problem). Antioch has done a great job of >> turning us out into the world to question authority and hegemony... >> but it really never thought self-consciously about what this would >> mean for itself. Had federal funding persisted (from the 60s) and >> student demographics been on a rising curve (as in the 70's) Antioch >> could eat its old and go on cranking out first class rebels. But the >> climate changed - and Antioch's business model (yes it is a business >> at some level) was not setup to adapt. It didn't know how to hunt >> alumni - it had ALWAYS (and this is born out in looking at the Morgan >> years, McGregor years, all of the eras) rejected most of the alums >> and looked to the future. Guskin (for all his flaws) tried to turn >> this around - but it was too little, too late - the diaspora had >> happened and the connection was lost to too many of the people. >> >> Now none of this is to say that I don't think the current >> administration has some serious issues - they do and it starts very >> directly with Steve. But we have had Presidents with very different >> strengths, styles and agendas - and the 20/40/40 rule has applied to >> them all. Sure some were duds - but there were some very capable >> people in there as well - and at least 1 of them should have struck a >> cord with donors and students if that were REALLY the issue. I >> submit to the meat grinder of the chat that THE issue really is US >> (collectively the alumni) and that Antioch was TOO EFFECTIVE for its >> own good. Yes we can all say that if only they would adopt a plan >> that we could support for reasons x,y,z we would rise up and support >> them - but I am almost certain that they HAVE tried that plan - and >> it brought along 10-20 percent of us, and that not being enough they >> moved on to some other plan that put us in the 80% category and >> dragged someone else into the 20%. For Antioch to survive it needs >> an infusion of resources - and it needs so many resources now that it >> would take the support of about 50% of the known alumni base... I >> have grown skeptical that we can reach that many people, and do it in >> time. >> >> I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong - because for all >> its flaws David is right - Antioch does have a place in the world >> that is vital. But from where I sit, in the current climate and >> resource pool, it seems that Antioch will fall victim to Darwinian >> forces - evolution does not favor those who have cast out their >> elders, at least not right now. If we can solve this riddle, then we >> can talk about esoteric issues like loss of Community Government, a >> need for a Dean of Students, etc... but until we solve the resource >> puzzle we will only keep adding to the list of issues that we all >> love to debate. >> >> Mark >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alumni-chat mailing list >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alumni-chat mailing list >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat -- _______________________________________________________ Brian "Krow" Aker, brian at tangent.org Seattle, Washington http://krow.net/ http://tangent.org/ _______________________________________________________ You can't grep a dead tree. _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From mbrower32 at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 23:01:25 2007 From: mbrower32 at comcast.net (Michael Brower) Date: Tue Mar 27 23:06:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Saving Antioch By BOTH building on past greatness AND by Innovating Message-ID: <888121DF-00DA-42DA-A934-54535EFE25EC@comcast.net> Earlier this evening Mark Swanholm wrote, in partial appreciation of my earlier post that Antioch has sunk to its present situation not from any single cause or miss-step, but rather by a lack of adaptations that have left Antioch not equipped to survive in the new environment. And, because in my earlier post I had listed 4 things that Alums could do to help with survival, Mark m,ay have gotten the wrong impression that I think that Alums alone can do the job. Mark wrote: "This is where I have to disagree with Mike and agree with Mark P - looking for alums to save the college is not a viable answer. Doesn't mean we don't TRY, doesn't mean we aren't NEEDED, doesn't mean that someday we wouldn't be a large part of the SOLUTION . . Antioch has to look forward for the answers. . .[Mark P's suggestion of] Social Entrepreneurship is a great way but there are other possibilities as well. The Plan [Antioch has adopted based on the Renewal Commission 2004 Report] has some of this - but the Plan is also steeped in saving the college by looking back." Now this is Mike Brower again: I agree completely. In my earlier post I listed a condensed summary of only the first 6 of my 10 reasons why Antioch was, and will again be, America's best liberal arts College. Since Mark Swanholm has brought it up so eloquently allow me to add here my 10th reason: 10. Continuing Innovation. Beginning with Morgan?s Co-op Education and Henderson?s Community Government, and now with freshman Learning Communities and upper class Co-op Communities, Antioch has always been an innovator. There is every reason to believe that this history and spirit of innovation will continue and will lead to Antioch?s continuing to renew, re-birth and re-generate itself to keep pace with a rapidly changing world and thereby stay ahead of other small liberal arts colleges. And, as an example, I do like Mark P's idea of Social Entrepreneurship, which he had already explained to me in some detail. I would encourage others to learn more about this from him. And then Mark and others: Go find a millionaire willing to endow Antioch with about $10-$20 million to get this going! Does Antioch desperately need modern state-of-the-art computerized technology? Well, who will take the lead in getting three giant computer companies and their founders and foundations to compete in taking the lead on this? I refer of course to Microsoft, Apple and Dell. THe Gates Foundation already knows the name of Antioch since they have twice given significant grants to Antioch Seattle for "Early College High Schools" on Indian Reservations. No, Mark, just because I listed 4 things that ANY and EVERY Alum can do does not mean I think Alums alone can save Antioch. Especially not in raising the several millions we need for the next few years to cover the current account deficits, plus then also raising scores of millions for a decent endowment. But we can help! Here's an idea. Forbes just posted its list of America's BIllionaires. Why don't we ALL go to that web site and read slowly and thoughtfully down the list. Maybe a few of us know one of these richest of the rich? Or know someone who knows one of them? Or would at least get an idea from reading this list of a new Center or Program or focus for Antioch which would be a natural fit between Antioch and that Billionaire? I know, I know. The richest tend to be very conservative -- which Antioch is Not! But 1-2-5% of them are probably quite liberal, maybe even radical. Gates is very interested in using his fortune to help poor people and countries in Africa. Maybe the right approach to them could turn up a few score million to help our new Coretta Scott King Center? Or Mark P's idea of Social Entrepreneurs? Here is that web site: http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/54/ biz_06rich400_The-400-Richest-Americans_Rank.html You think I am nuts, don't you. Or joking? Well, yes, maybe nuts. But joking? No! Let's get some creative talent working here on getting Antioch, finally, a decent endowment. Personally, I'd settle for half a billion. Maybe $100 million raised in each of the next 5 years? For starters. What do you think? Check out the billionaire list and come up with some good ideas. If that doesn't work, come up with some better ones. Mike Brower '55 From mark at mekaminski.com Wed Mar 28 01:01:24 2007 From: mark at mekaminski.com (Mark Swanholm) Date: Wed Mar 28 01:12:45 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Saving Antioch By BOTH building on past greatness AND by Innovating In-Reply-To: <888121DF-00DA-42DA-A934-54535EFE25EC@comcast.net> References: <888121DF-00DA-42DA-A934-54535EFE25EC@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ok Mike I KNOW you are nuts - but so am I... and thanks for pointing out my flawed assumptions. You certainly have the right ideas below - we need to look outside - that is what Morgan did - he sold the idea of his new Antioch to the community and got funded that way. The main flaw in this idea goes back to a central concern of this chat over the years - it leaves us looking for an Arthur Morgan - and complaining that we don't have one. I will go with you to meet with Bill Gates - might even be able to make a meeting with Michael Dell happen - but they will want to meet the CEO, the person with the vision, the person that will lead the charge. They believe in ideas - but they fund people... and an ex-employee and a cantankerous member of the alumni board aren't the people they are looking to fund. Morgan had it a bit easier than Mr. Lowery - the place was dead when he arrived - not dying. He came in and did exactly what he wanted - no arguments, no difficult body of students to contend with, no suspicious town. What little resistance he faced held little power or illusions - it was his way or no way. We have not been so kind to Steve. Nor are we want to... there is a legacy now where there was little then. I will readily admit that I disagree hardily with how Steve has chosen to lead (but not with all of his decisions on people) - I have gone so far as to withhold giving to the college because I disagree so much. It is history repeating itself - Katy's Antioch Independence fund writ small - we think we hold the cards, own the legacy, have a right and duty to protect it. But maybe we need to let go instead. For right or wrong Steve is the current and perhaps final hope to "save" (dare we say reinvent) the College. If we succeed it is with him - and we need to take cue from him on how to help. We may not like him or agree with him and each of us has to decide where that leaves us - but we can't call on the Gates foundation without him at our side. We need not delude ourselves - Antioch (and all that that means) is intrusted to him - and there really isn't time to argue about it. We need to know his plan and how to help - and offer great ideas like Mike and Mark P - or we need to go off and found our "own" college... or just spend our time worrying about something else. This begs the question of what IS the current vision and how CAN we get plugged in (if we want to)? Sure we don't have to wait to do some things that Mike is suggesting - but the big ones require at least some if not a LOT of coordination to be successful. Any staff lurking out there that would like to play my (former) role and enlighten us on this topic? Yes we will belittle you if your answer is not worthy - but then you signed up for the chat list...(ok for the record I will be nice - can't speak for anyone else) Mark On Mar 27, 2007, at 10:01 PM, Michael Brower wrote: > Earlier this evening Mark Swanholm wrote, in partial appreciation > of my earlier post that Antioch has sunk to its present situation > not from any single cause or miss-step, but rather by a lack of > adaptations that have left Antioch not equipped to survive in the > new environment. > > Now this is Mike Brower again: > I agree completely. In my earlier post I listed a condensed > summary of only the first 6 of my 10 reasons why Antioch was, and > will again be, America's best liberal arts College. Since Mark > Swanholm has brought it up so eloquently allow me to add here my > 10th reason: > > 10. Continuing Innovation. Beginning with Morgan?s Co-op > Education and Henderson?s Community Government, and now with > freshman Learning Communities and upper class Co-op Communities, > Antioch has always been an innovator. There is every reason to > believe that this history and spirit of innovation will continue > and will lead to Antioch?s continuing to renew, re-birth and re- > generate itself to keep pace with a rapidly changing world and > thereby stay ahead of other small liberal arts colleges. > > Here's an idea. Forbes just posted its list of America's > BIllionaires. Why don't we ALL go to that web site and read > slowly and thoughtfully down the list. Maybe a few of us know one > of these richest of the rich? Or know someone who knows one of > them? Or would at least get an idea from reading this list of a > new Center or Program or focus for Antioch which would be a natural > fit between Antioch and that Billionaire? > > I know, I know. The richest tend to be very conservative -- which > Antioch is Not! But 1-2-5% of them are probably quite liberal, > maybe even radical. Gates is very interested in using his fortune > to help poor people and countries in Africa. Maybe the right > approach to them could turn up a few score million to help our new > Coretta Scott King Center? Or Mark P's idea of Social Entrepreneurs? > > Here is that web site: http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/54/ > biz_06rich400_The-400-Richest-Americans_Rank.html > > You think I am nuts, don't you. Or joking? Well, yes, maybe > nuts. But joking? No! Let's get some creative talent working > here on getting Antioch, finally, a decent endowment. Personally, > I'd settle for half a billion. Maybe $100 million raised in each > of the next 5 years? For starters. What do you think? Check out > the billionaire list and come up with some good ideas. If that > doesn't work, come up with some better ones. > > Mike Brower '55 > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From marklp2 at comcast.net Wed Mar 28 02:32:59 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Wed Mar 28 02:44:13 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Saving Antioch By BOTH building on past greatnessAND by Innovating In-Reply-To: References: <888121DF-00DA-42DA-A934-54535EFE25EC@comcast.net> Message-ID: <016b01c77102$ee01b0f0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Mark S. is right. There has to be a leader who if he doesn't initiate the vision buys into it wholeheartedly. I can point out ideas like plugging social entrepreneurship into the King Center to give it more substance or looking at how the liberal arts colleges at Wake Forest and Brown, and College of Worcester are creating a synthesis between entrepreneurship, and service learning, and liberal arts but it does no good if there is no recognition or enthusiasm for these ideas by the administration. We need to know if in fact there is a vision dynamic enough to attract outside support. There are good ideas like Learning Communities and Co-op but they are not new ideas and they are not innovative enough on their own to attract the kind of support we're talking about. Mark P. -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Swanholm Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:01 PM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Saving Antioch By BOTH building on past greatnessAND by Innovating Ok Mike I KNOW you are nuts - but so am I... and thanks for pointing out my flawed assumptions. You certainly have the right ideas below - we need to look outside - that is what Morgan did - he sold the idea of his new Antioch to the community and got funded that way. The main flaw in this idea goes back to a central concern of this chat over the years - it leaves us looking for an Arthur Morgan - and complaining that we don't have one. I will go with you to meet with Bill Gates - might even be able to make a meeting with Michael Dell happen - but they will want to meet the CEO, the person with the vision, the person that will lead the charge. They believe in ideas - but they fund people... and an ex-employee and a cantankerous member of the alumni board aren't the people they are looking to fund. Morgan had it a bit easier than Mr. Lowery - the place was dead when he arrived - not dying. He came in and did exactly what he wanted - no arguments, no difficult body of students to contend with, no suspicious town. What little resistance he faced held little power or illusions - it was his way or no way. We have not been so kind to Steve. Nor are we want to... there is a legacy now where there was little then. I will readily admit that I disagree hardily with how Steve has chosen to lead (but not with all of his decisions on people) - I have gone so far as to withhold giving to the college because I disagree so much. It is history repeating itself - Katy's Antioch Independence fund writ small - we think we hold the cards, own the legacy, have a right and duty to protect it. But maybe we need to let go instead. For right or wrong Steve is the current and perhaps final hope to "save" (dare we say reinvent) the College. If we succeed it is with him - and we need to take cue from him on how to help. We may not like him or agree with him and each of us has to decide where that leaves us - but we can't call on the Gates foundation without him at our side. We need not delude ourselves - Antioch (and all that that means) is intrusted to him - and there really isn't time to argue about it. We need to know his plan and how to help - and offer great ideas like Mike and Mark P - or we need to go off and found our "own" college... or just spend our time worrying about something else. This begs the question of what IS the current vision and how CAN we get plugged in (if we want to)? Sure we don't have to wait to do some things that Mike is suggesting - but the big ones require at least some if not a LOT of coordination to be successful. Any staff lurking out there that would like to play my (former) role and enlighten us on this topic? Yes we will belittle you if your answer is not worthy - but then you signed up for the chat list...(ok for the record I will be nice - can't speak for anyone else) Mark On Mar 27, 2007, at 10:01 PM, Michael Brower wrote: > Earlier this evening Mark Swanholm wrote, in partial appreciation > of my earlier post that Antioch has sunk to its present situation > not from any single cause or miss-step, but rather by a lack of > adaptations that have left Antioch not equipped to survive in the > new environment. > > Now this is Mike Brower again: > I agree completely. In my earlier post I listed a condensed > summary of only the first 6 of my 10 reasons why Antioch was, and > will again be, America's best liberal arts College. Since Mark > Swanholm has brought it up so eloquently allow me to add here my > 10th reason: > > 10. Continuing Innovation. Beginning with Morgan's Co-op > Education and Henderson's Community Government, and now with > freshman Learning Communities and upper class Co-op Communities, > Antioch has always been an innovator. There is every reason to > believe that this history and spirit of innovation will continue > and will lead to Antioch's continuing to renew, re-birth and re- > generate itself to keep pace with a rapidly changing world and > thereby stay ahead of other small liberal arts colleges. > > Here's an idea. Forbes just posted its list of America's > BIllionaires. Why don't we ALL go to that web site and read > slowly and thoughtfully down the list. Maybe a few of us know one > of these richest of the rich? Or know someone who knows one of > them? Or would at least get an idea from reading this list of a > new Center or Program or focus for Antioch which would be a natural > fit between Antioch and that Billionaire? > > I know, I know. The richest tend to be very conservative -- which > Antioch is Not! But 1-2-5% of them are probably quite liberal, > maybe even radical. Gates is very interested in using his fortune > to help poor people and countries in Africa. Maybe the right > approach to them could turn up a few score million to help our new > Coretta Scott King Center? Or Mark P's idea of Social Entrepreneurs? > > Here is that web site: http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/54/ > biz_06rich400_The-400-Richest-Americans_Rank.html > > You think I am nuts, don't you. Or joking? Well, yes, maybe > nuts. But joking? No! Let's get some creative talent working > here on getting Antioch, finally, a decent endowment. Personally, > I'd settle for half a billion. Maybe $100 million raised in each > of the next 5 years? For starters. What do you think? Check out > the billionaire list and come up with some good ideas. If that > doesn't work, come up with some better ones. > > Mike Brower '55 > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Mar 28 12:46:27 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Mar 28 11:57:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] puff n stuff Message-ID: