From santcooper at aol.com Sun Jul 1 00:23:00 2007 From: santcooper at aol.com (santcooper@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 1 00:35:59 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] (no subject) Message-ID: <8C989AEA4A22FFB-690-AD95@FWM-R14.sysops.aol.com> While things begin to congeal,in some respects.(an awakened alumni raising funds in record amounts should organize in a manner that recognizes its interests to see that money spent according to its own priorities)There are questions however,should the College close,whether the Alumni will in equal numbers "feel" related to a new institution bearing the Antioch name (I do not sense any loyalty from my peers for the University that bears that name)Just because it happens to occupy the Yellowsprings campus recently "cleansed" of its continuity of Faculty,Students and Staff .Steve Lawry's idea of independence from the board has reverberated unanimously in all I have heard from.We heard him say that the new board should be composed of the principal college donors,and it is repeated here that Steve's experience is Foundation work.My point is that we Alumni should be concerned.Toni and Steve,the board they appoint,the faculty they hire,the curriculum they approve?If we chose now to break with our past path which Arthur Morgan set us upon who is the Person of Great Vision who will guide us?Steve? Toni?The Bot and its expert schmexperts who brought us their Great Renewal Plan .I have heard the words spoken here "core faculty" does that mean what exactly? Tenured? The Alumni should take their money and open their mouths.We need a significant say as to This Vision Thing.And though none of us relish the idea of attaching the endowment,is it not priceless to us for the sake of continuity to" culture" the Antioch to be at any cost with something of The Past?If the College closes,the Powers that then be will not I believe risk disenfranchising us .If its limited to reasonable requests that we can agree to strongly support,and backed by our increased level of support it is I believe achievable.And if that whale drops from the sky,opens its mouth and drops 40 million,so much the better! Sc 76' ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From santcooper at aol.com Sun Jul 1 00:36:33 2007 From: santcooper at aol.com (santcooper@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 1 00:49:24 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Oops I forgot the Subject Message-ID: <8C989B0899D12A9-690-ADDA@FWM-R14.sysops.aol.com> While things begin to congeal,in some respects.(an awakened alumni raising funds in record amounts should organize in a manner that recognizes its interests to see that money spent according to its own priorities)There are questions however,should the College close,whether the Alumni will in equal numbers "feel" related to a new institution bearing the Antioch name (I do not sense any loyalty from my peers for the University that bears that name) just because it happens to occupy the Yellowsprings campus recently "cleansed" of its continuity of Faculty,Students and Staff .Steve Lawry's idea of independence from the board has reverberated unanimously in all I have heard from.We heard him say that the new board should be composed of the principal college donors,and it is repeated here that Steve's experience is Foundation work.My point is that we Alumni should be concerned.Toni and Steve,the board they appoint,the faculty they hire,the curriculum they approve?If we chose now to break with our past path which Arthur Morgan set us upon who is the Person of Great Vision who will guide us?Steve? Toni?The Bot and its expert schmexperts who brought us their Great Renewal Plan .I have heard the words spoken here "core faculty" does that mean what exactly? Tenured? The Alumni should take their money and open their mouths.We need a significant say as to This Vision Thing.And though none of us relish the idea of attaching the endowment,is it not priceless to us for the sake of continuity to" culture" the Antioch to be at any cost with something of The Past?If the College closes,the Powers that then be will not I believe risk disenfranchising us .If its limited to reasonable requests that we can agree to strongly support,and backed by our increased level of support it is I believe achievable.And if that whale drops from the sky,opens its mouth and drops 40 million,so much the better! Sc 76' ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From jredhead at comcast.net Sun Jul 1 01:59:24 2007 From: jredhead at comcast.net (jredhead) Date: Sun Jul 1 02:11:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Message from Athena References: <449333.78509.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e101c7bba4$fa2b7090$21610818@yourtosc5zh62c> I agree with Dan Gediman. We need a coordinator. It seems that this alumni chat list is mainly for the purpose of everyone posting their opinions as often as they feel like it, and not for coming to a working plan. I haven't checked it out yet, but it seems like the antiochians.org site might be a good place for actual effort and progress.. And please, people, keep these posts short and readable! I know we all want to put our own opinions in, but reading posts that are pages long leads to me (and probably many others) not reading them at all. Jeanne Papish '81 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Hush" To: "Alumni Chat List" Cc: Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Message from Athena > That would be the responsibility of: > The External Communications Group/Committee/Council , > a Subgroup of the Communications Group/Committee/Council. > > We are coming together at this moment, > trying to figure out the best way(s) to stay in touch. > > > PeacEdward Trippel 92, CG 92-3 > > > "Frederick, Athena - Registrar (fredera)" wrote: > Dan, Glad to hear from you! We are working on it right now. Please note > we will have a list of contact people for committee areas with subgroups > of main people who will be handling these areas. We already have a number > of distribution lists developed and this will hopefully relieve some of > our mailboxes. > > We are conference calling tomorrow night the communication group to > organize and finalize to update the antiochians.org hopefully by Saturday > We plan to update frequently about meetings, press releases and > coordination of names that have volunteered. We have folks monitoring > digest collecting email and interest area. We have a working draft for > overall committee contact list and we hope to have things in place by next > week as a start. > > Please send items to the names that will be posted and we will coordinate > the efforts that come up. Keep up the communication and keep > pressing.... > > Yours truly in the fight, Athena > > ________________________________ > > From: Dan Gediman [mailto:dan@thisibelieve.org] > Sent: Thu 6/28/2007 3:08 PM > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Spokesperson > > > > Folks, > > Dan Gediman here with my first posting to this list. Forgive me if this > has > been covered before. Is there a single media spokesperson for the alums > yet > selected. I think it has been extremely important for the faculty to speak > in one voice through Dimi Reber. I believe we need our own Dimi. Speaking > as > a member of the media, I suppose (I produce shows for public radio), I > think > we would be most effective in getting our alternative message out (e.g. > "The > college isn't closing yet; the alums/faculty/YSO residents are banding > together like nobody's business to keep it open and thriving") if we have > a > single person doing that various interviews with the media. I think Athena > would be terrific at this and seems to already be at the helm of the > communications committee. > > That's my 2-cents worth on the subject. > > Best, > > Dan > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > ONE DREAM > > ONE MIND > > ONE HEART > > ONE PEOPLE > > POWER IS THE PEOPLE > > POWER IS THE IMAGINATION > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car > Finder tool. > From stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk Sun Jul 1 07:28:32 2007 From: stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk (Stephanie Scott) Date: Sun Jul 1 07:40:38 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! Message-ID: Is anyone in touch with Jay Ruby or Emily Anderson (1989?)? I think they were connected with Bread & Puppet Theatre in VT for a long time; may still be in circus/performing/theatrical events, may have good contacts for a national Antioch fest. Also, who was the theatre professor in the late 1980s who did the amazing stuff with puppetry (House of Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those guys could add a lot. Stephanie 1989 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rowan Kaiser To: J. Greg Williams Cc: Save Antioch Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! That's also at roughly the same time as the new and returning students get in. Hard to beat that combo. I say we go for it. Rowan On 7/1/07, J. Greg Williams wrote: The theater department helps put on a pretty large blues fest in the fall. I believe it is with the help of Dave Chappelle. Having a massive fund raising event at the same time may be good synergy. -g _______________________________________________ SaveAntioch mailing list SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ SaveAntioch mailing list SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org From millhaven28 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 09:09:50 2007 From: millhaven28 at hotmail.com (ginger lines) Date: Sun Jul 1 09:22:16 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! Message-ID: Stephanie, The professor in the 80s who was involved with puppetry was Jim Rose - son of the puppeteer who created HOWDY DOODIE. Jim was quite a conservative guy. I don't know what his feelings may be toward Antioch, but perhaps he would want to help in some way. Was it Dal who did Bernarda Allba? I think of that production often, and in fact , recently, mentioned it to the theatre director at the arts school where I work. The production I am thinking of, actually took place in abouit 1980. I did the arts write-up for the Record. My freind suggested Oct. 7 - occasion of Horace Mann's speach, as a day we ourselves, might go to the college. Think this would be a good time for the event your planning? >From: "Stephanie Scott" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: ,"alumni chat List" > >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! >Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:28:32 +0100 > >Is anyone in touch with Jay Ruby or Emily Anderson (1989?)? > >I think they were connected with Bread & Puppet Theatre in VT for a long >time; may still be in circus/performing/theatrical events, may have good >contacts for a national Antioch fest. Also, who was the theatre professor >in the late 1980s who did the amazing stuff with puppetry (House of >Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those guys could add a lot. > >Stephanie > >1989 >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rowan Kaiser >To: J. Greg Williams >Cc: Save Antioch >Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:02 AM >Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > > >That's also at roughly the same time as the new and returning students get >in. Hard to beat that combo. I say we go for it. > >Rowan > > >On 7/1/07, J. Greg Williams wrote: > The theater department helps put on a pretty large blues fest in the > fall. I believe it is with the help of Dave Chappelle. Having a > massive fund raising event at the same time may be good synergy. > > -g > > _______________________________________________ > SaveAntioch mailing list > SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > >http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >_______________________________________________ >SaveAntioch mailing list >SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Don’t miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ From stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk Sun Jul 1 09:17:15 2007 From: stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk (Stephanie Scott) Date: Sun Jul 1 09:29:22 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2842AFC0839E47989B89B8DF3B42C4E9@Stephanie> Hi! No, it wasn't Dal or Jim Rose; this was a woman I am thinking of, who came to Antioch about the same time as Dennie Eagleson - she has now moved on to some east coast college and it is KILLING me that I can't remember her name. The production too place some time in either 88-89, or MAYBE 85-86. Anyway it was brilliant - she had worked with Bread & Puppet for a while, and her presence with the theatre department inspired people like Emily to go on the Bread and Puppet later on, I think. Help, somebody! ----- Original Message ----- From: "ginger lines" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > Stephanie, > The professor in the 80s who was involved with puppetry was Jim Rose - son > of the puppeteer who created HOWDY DOODIE. Jim was quite a conservative > guy. I don't know what his feelings may be toward Antioch, but perhaps he > would want to help in some way. Was it Dal who did Bernarda Allba? I > think of that production often, and in fact , recently, mentioned it to > the theatre > director at the arts school where I work. The production I am thinking > of, actually took place in abouit 1980. I did the arts write-up for the > Record. > My freind suggested Oct. 7 - occasion of Horace Mann's speach, as a day > we ourselves, might go to the college. Think this would be a good time > for the event your planning? > >>From: "Stephanie Scott" >>Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >>To: ,"alumni chat List" >> >>Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! >>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:28:32 +0100 >> >>Is anyone in touch with Jay Ruby or Emily Anderson (1989?)? >> >>I think they were connected with Bread & Puppet Theatre in VT for a long >>time; may still be in circus/performing/theatrical events, may have good >>contacts for a national Antioch fest. Also, who was the theatre professor >>in the late 1980s who did the amazing stuff with puppetry (House of >>Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those guys could add a lot. >> >>Stephanie >> >>1989 >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rowan Kaiser >>To: J. Greg Williams >>Cc: Save Antioch >>Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:02 AM >>Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! >> >> >>That's also at roughly the same time as the new and returning students get >>in. Hard to beat that combo. I say we go for it. >> >>Rowan >> >> >>On 7/1/07, J. Greg Williams wrote: >> The theater department helps put on a pretty large blues fest in the >> fall. I believe it is with the help of Dave Chappelle. Having a >> massive fund raising event at the same time may be good synergy. >> >> -g >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SaveAntioch mailing list >> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >> >> http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org >> >> >> >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SaveAntioch mailing list >>SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >>http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org >>_______________________________________________ >>Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from > Microsoft Office Live > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From olenick at valueinnovation.net Sun Jul 1 09:34:48 2007 From: olenick at valueinnovation.net (Michael Olenick) Date: Sun Jul 1 09:47:12 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! In-Reply-To: <2842AFC0839E47989B89B8DF3B42C4E9@Stephanie> References: <2842AFC0839E47989B89B8DF3B42C4E9@Stephanie> Message-ID: <000101c7bbe4$98a9f040$6501a8c0@michaelo> Amy Trumpeter? M. ----------------- Michael Olenick Tel: 561-649-0962 Mobile: 561-699-5056 olenick@valueinnovation.net -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Stephanie Scott Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:17 AM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! Hi! No, it wasn't Dal or Jim Rose; this was a woman I am thinking of, who came to Antioch about the same time as Dennie Eagleson - she has now moved on to some east coast college and it is KILLING me that I can't remember her name. The production too place some time in either 88-89, or MAYBE 85-86. Anyway it was brilliant - she had worked with Bread & Puppet for a while, and her presence with the theatre department inspired people like Emily to go on the Bread and Puppet later on, I think. Help, somebody! ----- Original Message ----- From: "ginger lines" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > Stephanie, > The professor in the 80s who was involved with puppetry was Jim Rose - son > of the puppeteer who created HOWDY DOODIE. Jim was quite a conservative > guy. I don't know what his feelings may be toward Antioch, but perhaps he > would want to help in some way. Was it Dal who did Bernarda Allba? I > think of that production often, and in fact , recently, mentioned it to > the theatre > director at the arts school where I work. The production I am thinking > of, actually took place in abouit 1980. I did the arts write-up for the > Record. > My freind suggested Oct. 7 - occasion of Horace Mann's speach, as a day > we ourselves, might go to the college. Think this would be a good time > for the event your planning? > >>From: "Stephanie Scott" >>Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >>To: ,"alumni chat List" >> >>Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! >>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:28:32 +0100 >> >>Is anyone in touch with Jay Ruby or Emily Anderson (1989?)? >> >>I think they were connected with Bread & Puppet Theatre in VT for a long >>time; may still be in circus/performing/theatrical events, may have good >>contacts for a national Antioch fest. Also, who was the theatre professor >>in the late 1980s who did the amazing stuff with puppetry (House of >>Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those guys could add a lot. >> >>Stephanie >> >>1989 >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rowan Kaiser >>To: J. Greg Williams >>Cc: Save Antioch >>Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:02 AM >>Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! >> >> >>That's also at roughly the same time as the new and returning students get >>in. Hard to beat that combo. I say we go for it. >> >>Rowan >> >> >>On 7/1/07, J. Greg Williams wrote: >> The theater department helps put on a pretty large blues fest in the >> fall. I believe it is with the help of Dave Chappelle. Having a >> massive fund raising event at the same time may be good synergy. >> >> -g >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SaveAntioch mailing list >> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >> >> http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians. org >> >> >> >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SaveAntioch mailing list >>SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >>http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochian s.org >>_______________________________________________ >>Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from > Microsoft Office Live > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/882 - Release Date: 6/30/2007 3:10 PM From ccary60 at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 09:51:28 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Sun Jul 1 10:03:53 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton daily News Sunday Message-ID: Antioch explains deferred payments, jump in expenses Questions about the college's finances have emerged after closing announcement. Listen to this article or download audio file.Click-2-Listen By Stephanie Irwin Gottschlich Staff Writer Sunday, July 01, 2007 YELLOW SPRINGS ? Additional financial details provided by Antioch University last week shows that 2005-06 total compensation for two administrators included one-time deferred compensation of around $200,000 each. The university's accountant also explained how a portion of the university's overall expenses jumped 66 percent between fiscal years 2004-05 and 2005-06. The new information clarified compensation and benefits reported on 2005 tax documents for Tulisse Murdock, university chancellor, and Barbara Gellman-Danley, president of Antioch University McGregor. Total compensation listed in the tax documents for Murdock for 2005-06, and cited by the "Dayton Daily News" last week, as $486,377 included deferred compensation of $264,000. Gellman-Danley's $399,328 total compensation recorded that year included $198,534 in deferred compensation. The deferred compensation is a one-time, lump sum "sabbatical payment" payable when either administrator leaves the university and was not pocketed that year by the two administrators, according to Mary Lou LaPierre, vice chancellor for advancement. The deferred compensation package comes from a sabbatical pay policy for administrators approved by the Board of Trustees during a time when the university experienced high turnover of its campus presidents, LaPierre said. "The policy said that after seven years, administrators could be eligible for the sabbatical and pay," LaPierre said. "They needed to stay seven years to get it, and then they could get it." The deferred compensation sabbatical policy was eliminated in February this year, LaPierre said. She could not recall when the policy was instituted. No other administrators have received the deferred compensation. Antioch University's five other campus presidents began employment in 2003 at the earliest. Murdock has worked for the university for 10 years as president of the Seattle campus and acting chancellor prior to becoming chancellor this year. Gellman-Danley has served as president of McGregor for eight years. Steven Lawry has been president of Antioch College since January 2006. Also, a 66 percent increase in expenses in 2005-06 over 2004-05, incorrectly identified last week by the "Dayton Daily News" as overall salaries, was an increase in management and general expenses. The increase from $5.5 million in 2004 to $9.18 million in 2005 was attributed to the university "writing off a large pledge we decided was no longer viable," said university accountant Virginia Dowse. The pledge was a little over $1 million, according to Dowse. An increase in the number of administrators on the payroll also was a factor, "and lots of other little things," Dowse said. Questions about university finances have emerged among alumni and faculty since the university's board of trustees voted earlier this month to close Antioch College because it had run out of money. University administrators say the college's deficit, which had been subsidized for years by the university's other campuses, had grown too large for the other campuses to support. Contact this reporter at (937) 225-7404 or sirwin@DaytonDailyNews.com. The charts, which do not appear, included Lawry's base salary $192,180, benefits $23,328 and expense account $4,200 = $219,708 Total Compensation From ccary60 at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 09:53:43 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Sun Jul 1 10:06:08 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial Message-ID: Our view: Secrecy wasn't going to save Antioch College Another view: Maybe time has come to give up on Antioch, a once worthy institution Listen to this article or download audio file.Click-2-Listen Sunday, July 01, 2007 One of the more remarkable statements made in the wake of the announcement of Antioch College's closing was by President Steven Lawry. He said the reason he didn't tell anybody on campus that the decision was coming was that he didn't know. The fact that no public warning was given has added to the anger of students, faculty, alumni and the community. It is hard to understand. Sure, everybody knew that things were going badly. But interested people reasonably expect that explicit warnings will be issued, so that, for example, an emergency fund-raising campaign might be launched, or that other rescue plans can be entertained. Try to imagine similar problems at a public university or college. So much more would have been known, as the result of public filings of financial information and public trustee meetings. There would have been much more communication and "process." For Antioch ? so associated with insistence on power for the people ? to be accused of being closed off and secretive is an irony that has been much and appropriately noted. In the wake of the news-making announcement, a lot of criticisms are being made about the way the university is structured and run. Some resonate. The final authority is a board that runs a far-flung university system but meets only a few times a year for a few days. Antioch College itself has no board, and the college president doesn't report directly to the university board, but to a chancellor. So there are lots of factors fostering separation between the board and the college. On top of all that, and because things have been going poorly, there's been an awful lot of turnover. That, in turn, causes a lot of problems, sometimes leaving people feeling they can't even get a good explanation for why a policy exists. And there is conflicting information. These days, for example, one gets different information about enrollment trends, depending upon whom one talks to. A couple of years ago, the board instituted a change in the academic structure of the college that was designed to increase enrollment but was followed by a sudden enrollment drop. (The change eliminated traditional academic departments in a fairly radical approach to interdisciplinary education.) There's dispute about how much input the faculty had in this decision, and about whether the reform was simply enacted too fast. What's clear is that the board has ultimate responsibility. One might ? in other circumstances ? have expected heads to roll. They didn't, although some trustees have now offered to leave, in the wake of the latest news. The anger of faculty members and alumni about the closing might be shrugged off as typical Antioch stuff, the acting out of self-styled rebels. In fact, though, people have questions and complaints that would arise even if the Antiochians were a bunch of Republicans. The world beyond Antioch likes to talk about other factors that allegedly brought about its demise. Extreme politics; extreme political correctness. Fine. That discussion needs to be had within the Antioch community. Did a determination to question authority devolve into a prohibition against questioning the dissidents? A lot of knowledgeable people think so, and think that the culture impacted the school's attractiveness to students and faculty. Meanwhile, though, some nuts-and-bolts issues need to be confronted, too. There are good ways and bad ways to structure and administer colleges. Antioch University has not done well by Antioch College. From Hopita at aol.com Sun Jul 1 10:41:49 2007 From: Hopita at aol.com (Hopita@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 1 10:54:17 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: looking to orgnize Southern Alums Message-ID: In a message dated 7/1/2007 9:43:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lj_notify@livejournal.com writes: People in the southeast, please check in. We will determine locations. Ginger millhaven28@hotmail.com P.S. I'll be in Savannah next week. Are there any alums near there? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From bdevine at antioch-college.edu Sun Jul 1 10:48:53 2007 From: bdevine at antioch-college.edu (Robert Devine) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:00:49 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! In-Reply-To: <2842AFC0839E47989B89B8DF3B42C4E9@Stephanie> References: <,> <2842AFC0839E47989B89B8DF3B42C4E9@Stephanie> Message-ID: Amy Trompetter. Check her webpage www.barnard.edu/theatre/amy.html Bob Alumni Chat List on Sunday, July 1, 2007 at 9:17 AM -0500 wrote: >Hi! No, it wasn't Dal or Jim Rose; this was a woman I am thinking of, >who >came to Antioch about the same time as Dennie Eagleson - she has now >moved >on to some east coast college and it is KILLING me that I can't remember >her >name. The production too place some time in either 88-89, or MAYBE >85-86. >Anyway it was brilliant - she had worked with Bread & Puppet for a while, >and her presence with the theatre department inspired people like Emily >to >go on the Bread and Puppet later on, I think. > >Help, somebody! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ginger lines" >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:09 PM >Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > > >> Stephanie, >> The professor in the 80s who was involved with puppetry was Jim Rose - >son >> of the puppeteer who created HOWDY DOODIE. Jim was quite a >conservative >> guy. I don't know what his feelings may be toward Antioch, but perhaps >he >> would want to help in some way. Was it Dal who did Bernarda Allba? I >> think of that production often, and in fact , recently, mentioned it to >> the theatre >> director at the arts school where I work. The production I am thinking >> of, actually took place in abouit 1980. I did the arts write-up for the >> Record. >> My freind suggested Oct. 7 - occasion of Horace Mann's speach, as a >day >> we ourselves, might go to the college. Think this would be a good time >> for the event your planning? >> >>>From: "Stephanie Scott" >>>Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >>>To: ,"alumni chat List" >>> >>>Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! >>>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:28:32 +0100 >>> >>>Is anyone in touch with Jay Ruby or Emily Anderson (1989?)? >>> >>>I think they were connected with Bread & Puppet Theatre in VT for a >long >>>time; may still be in circus/performing/theatrical events, may have >good >>>contacts for a national Antioch fest. Also, who was the theatre >professor >>>in the late 1980s who did the amazing stuff with puppetry (House of >>>Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those guys could add a lot. >>> >>>Stephanie >>> >>>1989 >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Rowan Kaiser >>>To: J. Greg Williams >>>Cc: Save Antioch >>>Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:02 AM >>>Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! >>> >>> >>>That's also at roughly the same time as the new and returning students >get >>>in. Hard to beat that combo. I say we go for it. >>> >>>Rowan >>> >>> >>>On 7/1/07, J. Greg Williams wrote: >>> The theater department helps put on a pretty large blues fest in the >>> fall. I believe it is with the help of Dave Chappelle. Having a >>> massive fund raising event at the same time may be good synergy. >>> >>> -g >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SaveAntioch mailing list >>> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >>> >>> >http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SaveAntioch mailing list >>>SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >>>http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >>>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >>>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Don't miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from >> Microsoft Office Live >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Robert H. Devine College Professor Antioch College Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387 Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter" - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr From alanbenard at comcast.net Sun Jul 1 10:49:27 2007 From: alanbenard at comcast.net (alanbenard@pobox.com) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:01:53 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial Message-ID: <070120071449.22772.4687BEF70007AB5A000058F422165514060B9D0E020A0D020E040E@comcast.net> The DDN Editorial wrote: >Antioch University has not done well by Antioch College. Put this on a tee-shirt. Fly this on a banner behind a plane over Hassle Castle during the BoT October meeting. Burn it into the front lawn in 10-foot-high letters. RESIGN! Toni, resign. Alan Benard, '92 From thaddeusrussell at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 10:50:15 2007 From: thaddeusrussell at gmail.com (Thaddeus Russell) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:02:40 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! In-Reply-To: References: <2842AFC0839E47989B89B8DF3B42C4E9@Stephanie> Message-ID: <44649f1d0707010750r426548acrcfc0583507b6ce39@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I promise: it was my former colleague at Barnard, Amy Trompetter. On 7/1/07, Robert Devine wrote: > > Amy Trompetter. Check her webpage www.barnard.edu/theatre/amy.html > > Bob > > Alumni Chat List on Sunday, July 1, 2007 at > 9:17 AM -0500 wrote: > >Hi! No, it wasn't Dal or Jim Rose; this was a woman I am thinking of, > >who > >came to Antioch about the same time as Dennie Eagleson - she has now > >moved > >on to some east coast college and it is KILLING me that I can't remember > >her > >name. The production too place some time in either 88-89, or MAYBE > >85-86. > >Anyway it was brilliant - she had worked with Bread & Puppet for a while, > >and her presence with the theatre department inspired people like Emily > >to > >go on the Bread and Puppet later on, I think. > > > >Help, somebody! > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "ginger lines" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:09 PM > >Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > > > > > >> Stephanie, > >> The professor in the 80s who was involved with puppetry was Jim Rose - > >son > >> of the puppeteer who created HOWDY DOODIE. Jim was quite a > >conservative > >> guy. I don't know what his feelings may be toward Antioch, but perhaps > >he > >> would want to help in some way. Was it Dal who did Bernarda Allba? I > >> think of that production often, and in fact , recently, mentioned it to > >> the theatre > >> director at the arts school where I work. The production I am thinking > >> of, actually took place in abouit 1980. I did the arts write-up for the > >> Record. > >> My freind suggested Oct. 7 - occasion of Horace Mann's speach, as a > >day > >> we ourselves, might go to the college. Think this would be a good time > >> for the event your planning? > >> > >>>From: "Stephanie Scott" > >>>Reply-To: Alumni Chat List > >>>To: ,"alumni chat List" > >>> > >>>Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > >>>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:28:32 +0100 > >>> > >>>Is anyone in touch with Jay Ruby or Emily Anderson (1989?)? > >>> > >>>I think they were connected with Bread & Puppet Theatre in VT for a > >long > >>>time; may still be in circus/performing/theatrical events, may have > >good > >>>contacts for a national Antioch fest. Also, who was the theatre > >professor > >>>in the late 1980s who did the amazing stuff with puppetry (House of > >>>Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those guys could add a lot. > >>> > >>>Stephanie > >>> > >>>1989 > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: Rowan Kaiser > >>>To: J. Greg Williams > >>>Cc: Save Antioch > >>>Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:02 AM > >>>Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > >>> > >>> > >>>That's also at roughly the same time as the new and returning students > >get > >>>in. Hard to beat that combo. I say we go for it. > >>> > >>>Rowan > >>> > >>> > >>>On 7/1/07, J. Greg Williams wrote: > >>> The theater department helps put on a pretty large blues fest in the > >>> fall. I believe it is with the help of Dave Chappelle. Having a > >>> massive fund raising event at the same time may be good synergy. > >>> > >>> -g > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SaveAntioch mailing list > >>> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > >>> > >>> > > > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SaveAntioch mailing list > >>>SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > >>> > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > >>>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >>>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Don't miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from > >> Microsoft Office Live > >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > Robert H. Devine > College Professor > Antioch College > Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387 > > Our lives begin to end > the day we become silent > about things that matter" > > - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr > > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 10:51:06 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:03:32 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Austin Chapter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Austin Tx chapter will meet for the 1st time Thursday @ cafe mundi at 7pm. Thats on east 5th st. Still need a contact list ---g '97 "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 10:53:21 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:05:46 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial In-Reply-To: <070120071449.22772.4687BEF70007AB5A000058F422165514060B9D0E020A0D020E040E@comcast.net> Message-ID: >From: alanbenard@comcast.net (alanbenard@pobox.com) >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial >Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 14:49:27 +0000 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc7-f15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 1 >Jul 2007 07:49:31 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FFC6054426;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:01:53 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from alnrmhc15.comcast.net (alnrmhc15.comcast.net >[206.18.177.55])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFED6054406for >; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:01:50 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from amailcenter07.comcast.net ([204.127.225.107])by comcast.net >(alnrmhc15) with SMTPid <20070701144927b1500cf332e>; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 >14:49:28 +0000 >Received: from [68.40.86.218] by amailcenter07.comcast.net;Sun, 01 Jul 2007 >14:49:27 +0000 >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW41OFZeVYz4VFvHg5Qs1pOXJt8S+8hhcGtQcjaCKS3dCLmUG3HUp37xh >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) >X-Authenticated-Sender: YWxhbmJlbmFyZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2007 14:49:31.0488 (UTC) >FILETIME=[08578600:01C7BBEF] > >The DDN Editorial wrote: > > >Antioch University has not done well by Antioch College. > >Put this on a tee-shirt. Fly this on a banner behind a plane over Hassle >Castle during the BoT October meeting. Burn it into the front lawn in >10-foot-high letters. > >RESIGN! Toni, resign. > >Alan Benard, '92 Resign!... oh and give us the $400,000 back okaythxbye. Seriously what is she Ken Lay's sister? Bonuses are for people who succeed. _________________________________________________________________ Picture this – share your photos and you could win big! http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 10:54:44 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:07:12 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: looking to orgnize Southern Alums In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There are a number of people in Asheville... Shawn, wanna step up? "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Hopita@aol.com >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Goodnews@w3.antioch.edu, >Antioch92@groups.msn.com,AntiochAlumni@yahoogroups.com, >saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org,alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >CC: dana.felty@savannahnow.com >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: looking to orgnize Southern Alums Date: Sun, 1 >Jul 2007 10:41:49 EDT >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc11-f17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, >1 Jul 2007 07:41:56 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 15334605431C;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:54:17 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2])by >w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB2F60542F7;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 >10:54:15 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from Hopita@aol.comby imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id >w.d61.c242b58 (39952);Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:41:49 -0400 (EDT) >X-Message-Info: >LsUYwwHHNt2f/hTa2FKMS04fpMtuhsSLyzJiQMaLVUCuL0mcDsEUkE/dbVKqhUE7 >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 >X-Spam-Flag: NO >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2007 14:41:56.0335 (UTC) >FILETIME=[F90CAFF0:01C7BBED] > > > >In a message dated 7/1/2007 9:43:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >lj_notify@livejournal.com writes: > >People in the southeast, please check in. We will determine locations. >Ginger >millhaven28@hotmail.com > >P.S. I'll be in Savannah next week. Are there any alums near there? > > > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 From moloney at pobox.com Sun Jul 1 11:06:27 2007 From: moloney at pobox.com (Elizabeth Moloney) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:18:54 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Amy Trompetter. Last I heard she was teaching at Barnard with Denny Partridge. Anyone checked in with Louise Smith, who is running the theatre dept (and has been for years now)? She's got wicked connections of her own. - beth 95 On Jul 1, 2007, at 7:28 AM, Stephanie Scott wrote: > Also, who was the theatre professor in the late 1980s who did the > amazing stuff with puppetry (House of Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those > guys could add a lot. > > Stephanie > > 1989 From jonahliebert at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 11:31:55 2007 From: jonahliebert at gmail.com (Jonah Liebert) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:44:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] What's an Antiochian Anyway? Antiochians.org tells us.... Message-ID: As I was browsing around the much improved website, antiochians.org, which is supposed to represent all of us, I found one person's vision of what Antioch is about. Lesley A. Pownall Bahr B.F.A. '83 composed a very nice piece on what it means to be an Antiochian, but there is one line in there that rubs me the wrong way. "Antioch has always been about character and place, not institutional conformity or curriculum or even academic rigor." I do agree that character and place are extremely important aspects of an Antioch education, but the second half of the sentence would seem to be a huge insult to the faculty who work so hard to provide a rich and challenging learning environment. This statement presents our college in absolutely the worst light to the rest of the higher education world that actually believes you go to college to become formally educated in a particular subject. Call me crazy or conformist, but isn't a liberal arts education and college in general, even one as unique as Antioch, first and foremost for academic learning? What kind of professor would want to teach at a college that isn't about curriculum or academic rigor? What sort of prospective student would want to attend a college that wasn't "about curriculum or even academic rigor?" Did Horace Mann or Arthur Morgan intend to create a college that wasn't about curriculum or academic rigor? I sincerely hope that this sentence and the overall emphasis of the piece on character rather than academics could be edited to better reflect what an Antioch education is about. This is one example of why I'll begin to sound more and more like a broken record when I say we need a definition of what an Antioch education is about and will be about in the future. Lesley's vision is not mine at all. Jonah Liebert '03 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 11:34:08 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:46:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] What's an Antiochian Anyway? Antiochians.org tellsus.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Agreed "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: "Jonah Liebert" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: "Alumni Chat List" >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] What's an Antiochian Anyway? Antiochians.org >tellsus.... >Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:31:55 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc9-f20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 1 >Jul 2007 08:31:59 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EA3605467A;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:44:20 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com >[209.85.132.248])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C377605466Bfor >; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:44:18 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so334005anafor >; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 08:31:56 -0700 (PDT) >Received: by 10.100.32.1 with SMTP id f1mr3232232anf.1183303915849;Sun, 01 >Jul 2007 08:31:55 -0700 (PDT) >Received: by 10.100.12.9 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:31:55 -0700 (PDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW41nYY6LChzxzuHvFXdseyJnGAzD65+jmtVigdP767WwjGvnY6Waoiyg >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; >s=beta;h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type;b=UVPMuSzsR3tuFKVVL23VhZhnttmB60c3DWdv7RrZLjVokClKmdG0yhytfNP968x+5FXI6mrwOy+JptJLIRYfYx0P7n1x0IdL7XMJmruQkyfrff6U429XE9iNO7jOWIf4uz8XC/pMv/mJY7PYd2p9Aa15vewgcIgrses1KmQvVlI= >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; >s=beta;h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type;b=BLlyfsKphYxkjdCW2v/iSWyWw7+1zYGDc/1u0fj3qVLyLfEPwXGId1pWPsPa8ab5x7dPgV/ETK58MesyNpBSpPVL+laKvJKF8fHzeN+qOyvnvXJL7YVubUKhJ4+eGRISvAIHCgYC31ObWW/Itin6BPXg35gC3VQeRot+rUSHxMU= >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2007 15:31:59.0725 (UTC) >FILETIME=[F735A1D0:01C7BBF4] > >As I was browsing around the much improved website, antiochians.org, which >is supposed to represent all of us, I found one person's vision of what >Antioch is about. Lesley A. Pownall Bahr B.F.A. '83 composed a very nice >piece on what it means to be an Antiochian, but there is one line in there >that rubs me the wrong way. > >"Antioch has always been about character and place, not institutional >conformity or curriculum or even academic rigor." > >I do agree that character and place are extremely important aspects of an >Antioch education, but the second half of the sentence would seem to be a >huge insult to the faculty who work so hard to provide a rich and >challenging learning environment. This statement presents our college in >absolutely the worst light to the rest of the higher education world that >actually believes you go to college to become formally educated in a >particular subject. Call me crazy or conformist, but isn't a liberal arts >education and college in general, even one as unique as Antioch, first and >foremost for academic learning? What kind of professor would want to teach >at a college that isn't about curriculum or academic rigor? What sort of >prospective student would want to attend a college that wasn't "about >curriculum or even academic rigor?" Did Horace Mann or Arthur Morgan >intend >to create a college that wasn't about curriculum or academic rigor? > >I sincerely hope that this sentence and the overall emphasis of the piece >on >character rather than academics could be edited to better reflect what an >Antioch education is about. > >This is one example of why I'll begin to sound more and more like a broken >record when I say we need a definition of what an Antioch education is >about >and will be about in the future. Lesley's vision is not mine at all. > >Jonah Liebert '03 >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Picture this – share your photos and you could win big! http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From robinsimons at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 11:47:43 2007 From: robinsimons at yahoo.com (Robin Simons) Date: Sun Jul 1 12:00:08 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! In-Reply-To: <000101c7bbe4$98a9f040$6501a8c0@michaelo> Message-ID: <919870.55382.qm@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> no... I know who you mean.... She was my theater 1 teacher..... short dark hair with a little grey, tough as nails, very serious.... --- Michael Olenick wrote: > Amy Trumpeter? > > M. > > > ----------------- > Michael Olenick > Tel: 561-649-0962 > Mobile: 561-699-5056 > olenick@valueinnovation.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On > Behalf Of Stephanie Scott > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:17 AM > To: Alumni Chat List > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch > College Fest! > > Hi! No, it wasn't Dal or Jim Rose; this was a woman > I am thinking of, who > came to Antioch about the same time as Dennie > Eagleson - she has now moved > on to some east coast college and it is KILLING me > that I can't remember her > name. The production too place some time in either > 88-89, or MAYBE 85-86. > Anyway it was brilliant - she had worked with Bread > & Puppet for a while, > and her presence with the theatre department > inspired people like Emily to > go on the Bread and Puppet later on, I think. > > Help, somebody! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ginger lines" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:09 PM > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch > College Fest! > > > > Stephanie, > > The professor in the 80s who was involved with > puppetry was Jim Rose - son > > > of the puppeteer who created HOWDY DOODIE. Jim > was quite a conservative > > > guy. I don't know what his feelings may be toward > Antioch, but perhaps he > > > would want to help in some way. Was it Dal who > did Bernarda Allba? I > > think of that production often, and in fact , > recently, mentioned it to > > the theatre > > director at the arts school where I work. The > production I am thinking > > of, actually took place in abouit 1980. I did the > arts write-up for the > > Record. > > My freind suggested Oct. 7 - occasion of Horace > Mann's speach, as a day > > we ourselves, might go to the college. Think this > would be a good time > > for the event your planning? > > > >>From: "Stephanie Scott" > > >>Reply-To: Alumni Chat List > > >>To: ,"alumni > chat List" > >> > >>Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch > College Fest! > >>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:28:32 +0100 > >> > >>Is anyone in touch with Jay Ruby or Emily Anderson > (1989?)? > >> > >>I think they were connected with Bread & Puppet > Theatre in VT for a long > >>time; may still be in circus/performing/theatrical > events, may have good > >>contacts for a national Antioch fest. Also, who > was the theatre professor > > >>in the late 1980s who did the amazing stuff with > puppetry (House of > >>Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those guys could add a lot. > >> > >>Stephanie > >> > >>1989 > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: Rowan Kaiser > >>To: J. Greg Williams > >>Cc: Save Antioch > >>Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:02 AM > >>Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > >> > >> > >>That's also at roughly the same time as the new > and returning students get > > >>in. Hard to beat that combo. I say we go for it. > >> > >>Rowan > >> > >> > >>On 7/1/07, J. Greg Williams > wrote: > >> The theater department helps put on a pretty > large blues fest in the > >> fall. I believe it is with the help of Dave > Chappelle. Having a > >> massive fund raising event at the same time may > be good synergy. > >> > >> -g > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SaveAntioch mailing list > >> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > >> > >> > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians. > org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SaveAntioch mailing list > >>SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > >>http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochian > s.org > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > >>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other > great prizes from > > Microsoft Office Live > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/882 - > Release Date: 6/30/2007 > 3:10 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From dodioflo at mindspring.com Sun Jul 1 12:04:41 2007 From: dodioflo at mindspring.com (dodioflo@mindspring.com) Date: Sun Jul 1 12:17:07 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1 Message-ID: <30904459.1183305881976.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The were two theatre professors who came to Antioch in 1987 and they were Amy Trumpeter(bread and puppet) and Dennie Partridge. Dennie stage "Radical Surgery" as the first show in the newly restored amphitheater, I performed in that, as did Doug Grew, Greta Schwerner and a whole host of others. Amy brought much to the campus with her background in Bread and Puppet. This was my last year at Antioch, I graduated in 87. Jim Rose was here my first year but left. It was the theatre building that became the experience of self governance for the people I ended up hanging out with. We took it over and ran it ourselves for three years as we awaited a new faculty hire. All of the friendships I made during those three years still exist today, and we all have worked on various projects with each other over the years. An amazing and vital time which still informs my connection to Antioch today and the fuels the passion I feel for the institution. Be ashamed to let it die. Casselli '87 -----Original Message----- >From: alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu >Sent: Jul 1, 2007 9:29 AM >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1 > >Send Alumni-chat mailing list submissions to > alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu > >You can reach the person managing the list at > alumni-chat-owner@w3.antioch.edu > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Alumni-chat digest..." From ilse1 at comcast.net Sun Jul 1 12:12:20 2007 From: ilse1 at comcast.net (ilse moon) Date: Sun Jul 1 12:24:52 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial References: <070120071449.22772.4687BEF70007AB5A000058F422165514060B9D0E020A0D020E040E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <006101c7bbfa$9aba30a0$0200a8c0@IlseDesktop> Better yet, flood Toni with letters bearing this message. Ilse Moon '53 ----- Original Message ----- From: "alanbenard@pobox.com" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial > The DDN Editorial wrote: > >>Antioch University has not done well by Antioch College. > > Put this on a tee-shirt. Fly this on a banner behind a plane over Hassle > Castle during the BoT October meeting. Burn it into the front lawn in > 10-foot-high letters. > > RESIGN! Toni, resign. > > Alan Benard, '92 > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/883 - Release Date: 7/1/2007 > 12:19 PM > > From beckyklein94609 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 12:17:47 2007 From: beckyklein94609 at yahoo.com (Becky Klein) Date: Sun Jul 1 12:30:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Fest In-Reply-To: <20070701132923.B90186053E4D@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <300359.78430.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> When thinking about a party/festival we have to be realistic about how much money we are expecting to make. In my experience of planning events and fundraisers, unless you have a big name draw and I mean really big name (i.e. like a Dave Chappelle's Block Party), the amount of money that goes into putting an event on that will actually make a substantial amount would require a substantial amount of money to be put up front already. Throwing a festival/large event requires staff, security, clean up, etc., which all costs money. I think ideas like this are great, it's just been my experience that throwing an event without a realistic projection of how much money you will make often ends up being a let down when you realize, the time, energy and money you put into the event and how much you actually made. I think that successful events/fundraisers are often those, like the AIDS walks/bike rides, dance a thons and the like that require participants to get sponsored in order to participate. These usually raise a tremendous amount of money and are also events that can get funding for event planners and the like. Other events that I have participated in are art auctions. Many well known artists are often willing to donate a piece of work for a good cause. Silent auctions are also good where you can get local business people to donate, free meals, gift certifcates, etc. This is something that might be really successful if each alumni group does in their city, or town. just my 2 cents. becky klein 97' --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. From beckyklein94609 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 12:18:19 2007 From: beckyklein94609 at yahoo.com (Becky Klein) Date: Sun Jul 1 12:30:44 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Fest In-Reply-To: <20070701132923.B90186053E4D@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <91159.13671.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> When thinking about a party/festival we have to be realistic about how much money we are expecting to make. In my experience of planning events and fundraisers, unless you have a big name draw and I mean really big name (i.e. like a Dave Chappelle's Block Party), the amount of money that goes into putting an event on that will actually make a substantial amount would require a substantial amount of money to be put up front already. Throwing a festival/large event requires staff, security, clean up, etc., which all costs money. I think ideas like this are great, it's just been my experience that throwing an event without a realistic projection of how much money you will make often ends up being a let down when you realize, the time, energy and money you put into the event and how much you actually made. I think that successful events/fundraisers are often those, like the AIDS walks/bike rides, dance a thons and the like that require participants to get sponsored in order to participate. These usually raise a tremendous amount of money and are also events that can get funding for event planners and the like. Other events that I have participated in are art auctions. Many well known artists are often willing to donate a piece of work for a good cause. Silent auctions are also good where you can get local business people to donate, free meals, gift certifcates, etc. This is something that might be really successful if each alumni group does in their city, or town. just my 2 cents. becky klein 97' --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. From totally at svaha.com Sun Jul 1 12:51:17 2007 From: totally at svaha.com (J. Greg Williams) Date: Sun Jul 1 13:04:43 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] Hookup and "cross posting" issues... In-Reply-To: <001401c7bb36$ae0834f0$0a189ed0$@net> References: <001401c7bb36$ae0834f0$0a189ed0$@net> Message-ID: I believe the Board of Trustees have spent all the trust they may have had. I for one, have no faith that the college will re-open in 2012 if we allow it to close. There are too many things pieces that would get dropped if it does. The Board has spent about as much time thinking about the plan to re-open it as they did about the plan to close it down. (That would be very little for those keeping score). Working with the BoT hasn't been very productive for the College over the past 15 years and has now resulted in it's impending closure. The alumni and their representatives on the alumni board are committed to preventing the closure of the College. I believe the trust is in those trying to keep it alive as evidenced by the increasing influx of money. my $.02 J. Greg Williams On Jun 30, 2007, at 12:49 PM, E. Daniel Ayres wrote: > Our need to ?hammer out? issues requires time which will allow the > BoT and Antioch University administrators to proceed as they have > planned. One alternative is to work with/through them to insure > that the commitment to reopen is kept. My $.02 From dawn at mediawonk.com Sun Jul 1 13:01:07 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Sun Jul 1 13:13:33 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Paranoia? and "observations" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree with Callie. This is why I've suggested we move this discussion elsewhere. While we can't keep the government out of our planning-we can keep it away from the University by using other channels. Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't watching you :) -Dawn '83 On 6/30/07 2:30 PM, "Callie Cary" wrote: > I strongly suspect that there is an effort our there either by campus > administrators and/or university spin doctors to get students from > other Antioch campuses, including the PhD program (see Chronicle), to > write to local and national media expressing their support for the BoT > in closing Antioch College. > > Also: > > WARNING: The Bush administration through the NSC may be monitoring our > e-mails. Make no mistake about it, so is the Antioch University > administration. > > The stakes here are high for the health of the entire university. > > Callie Cary '84 > From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 13:24:14 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sun Jul 1 13:36:42 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Paranoia? and "observations" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Let them watch. They are loosing. "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Dawn Scribner >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Paranoia? and "observations" >Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:01:07 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc11-f18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, >1 Jul 2007 10:01:11 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2596054A5B;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:13:32 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from >smtpout02-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net(smtpout02-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net >[64.202.165.192])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DE486054A4Ffor >; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:13:30 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (qmail 1373 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2007 17:01:07 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO >smtpauth05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net)(64.202.165.99)by >smtpout02-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with SMTP;1 Jul 2007 17:01:07 >-0000 >Received: (qmail 1670 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2007 17:01:06 -0000 >Received: from unknown (76.103.24.20)by >smtpauth05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.99) with ESMTP;01 Jul >2007 17:01:06 -0000 >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW43hmEhgIpOaOfEd5Vzo3SFurczK6p07EGUAMNb0MiYSOxX4ue70uid+ >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2007 17:01:11.0840 (UTC) >FILETIME=[6D519200:01C7BC01] > >I agree with Callie. This is why I've suggested we move this discussion >elsewhere. While we can't keep the government out of our planning-we can >keep it away from the University by using other channels. > >Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't watching you :) > >-Dawn '83 > > >On 6/30/07 2:30 PM, "Callie Cary" wrote: > > > I strongly suspect that there is an effort our there either by campus > > administrators and/or university spin doctors to get students from > > other Antioch campuses, including the PhD program (see Chronicle), to > > write to local and national media expressing their support for the BoT > > in closing Antioch College. > > > > Also: > > > > WARNING: The Bush administration through the NSC may be monitoring our > > e-mails. Make no mistake about it, so is the Antioch University > > administration. > > > > The stakes here are high for the health of the entire university. > > > > Callie Cary '84 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm From stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk Sun Jul 1 13:58:50 2007 From: stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk (Stephanie Scott) Date: Sun Jul 1 14:11:00 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] What's an Antiochian Anyway? Antiochians.org tellsus.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B15A51220764D8C90BD126B20DCA656@Stephanie> yes - totally agree - I would be kind of embarrassed to say Antioch is not about academic rigor - it should at least aspire to be. My last couple of years were about finding the more rigorous and challenging courses on the curriculum. No one will want you in their really good graduate school if you say your college wasn't about academic rigor. I don't want to slam Leslie though - think all the people working on antiochians.org are doing a great job. Stephanie 1989 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonah Liebert" To: "Alumni Chat List" Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] What's an Antiochian Anyway? Antiochians.org tellsus.... > As I was browsing around the much improved website, antiochians.org, which > is supposed to represent all of us, I found one person's vision of what > Antioch is about. Lesley A. Pownall Bahr B.F.A. '83 composed a very nice > piece on what it means to be an Antiochian, but there is one line in there > that rubs me the wrong way. > > "Antioch has always been about character and place, not institutional > conformity or curriculum or even academic rigor." > > I do agree that character and place are extremely important aspects of an > Antioch education, but the second half of the sentence would seem to be a > huge insult to the faculty who work so hard to provide a rich and > challenging learning environment. This statement presents our college in > absolutely the worst light to the rest of the higher education world that > actually believes you go to college to become formally educated in a > particular subject. Call me crazy or conformist, but isn't a liberal arts > education and college in general, even one as unique as Antioch, first and > foremost for academic learning? What kind of professor would want to > teach > at a college that isn't about curriculum or academic rigor? What sort of > prospective student would want to attend a college that wasn't "about > curriculum or even academic rigor?" Did Horace Mann or Arthur Morgan > intend > to create a college that wasn't about curriculum or academic rigor? > > I sincerely hope that this sentence and the overall emphasis of the piece > on > character rather than academics could be edited to better reflect what an > Antioch education is about. > > This is one example of why I'll begin to sound more and more like a broken > record when I say we need a definition of what an Antioch education is > about > and will be about in the future. Lesley's vision is not mine at all. > > Jonah Liebert '03 > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From Basia.Miller at sjcsf.edu Sun Jul 1 14:08:45 2007 From: Basia.Miller at sjcsf.edu (Miller, Basia) Date: Sun Jul 1 14:21:34 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Tenure Message-ID: <6ED67F6AF31DE34C986CB2CDCA2928B90217190A@antiphon.sjcsf.sjca.edu> Later Bob clarified that the tenure folks like him have been given 12 months. He didn't want to name individual cases as David had asked, since he needs to be in the lawsuit. He apologized for the confusion. I kind of wished we'd had a longer and more constructive conversation last night; but there were lots of preliminaries that needed addressing, and basically we only had about an hour after the round of introductions. Ah, well. -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu on behalf of Robert Devine Sent: Thu 6/28/2007 7:52 AM To: Alumni Chat List Cc: 'Alumni Chat List' Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Tenure David, I've just had my job eliminated. I don't have the financial resources to defend myself in a lawsuit brought by former faculty members because I breached the legally mandated confidentiality to which they are entitled in personnel matters. Confidentiality in personnel matters is protected by law. Further, David (and here's where your analogy to Alberto Gonzales falls apart), I'm not the College or an agent of the College, I'm not a government agency, I'm not a keeper of records, I'm not a public official. I have no responsibility whatsoever for providing personnel information to the curious, however cleverly they ask. But I'm guessing that you knew that the actual "facts" were inaccessible before you asked. Bob Alumni Chat List on Thursday, June 28, 2007 at 9:04 AM -0500 wrote: >Bob, > >Just for the record -- and to end my part in this thread -- I am not >casting >any aspersions nor do I have an hypothesis about blame. I need facts >before >I can come to any conclusions and you have been willing -- until now -- to >provide facts to rebut some of the myths floating around this list. > >However, I must point out that your response to Michael was reminiscent of >the response Attorney General Gonzales gave to Senator Leahy and others >about the firing of U. S. Attorneys: these are personnel matters and must >remain confidential. I guess federal officials must not have the same >legal >protections as Antioch faculty. > >J. David Coldren '65 > >-----Original Message----- >From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >[mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Devine >Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:39 AM >To: Alumni Chat List >Cc: 'Alumni Chat List' >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Tenure > >Employees have legal protections. In a school as small as Antioch, it's >rather easy to identify specific individuals -- named or not -- and the >personal and institutional liability are both substantial. > >Bob > >Alumni Chat List on Thursday, June 28, 2007 >at 8:04 AM -0500 wrote: >>You can absolutely strip out names to preserve adequate confidentiality >>for >>the purpose of a policy review. >> >>Besides, what are they going to do? Fire you? >> >>Michael. >> >>----------------- >>Michael Olenick >>Tel: 561-649-0962 >>Mobile: 561-699-5056 >>olenick@valueinnovation.net >> > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Robert H. Devine College Professor Antioch College Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387 Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter" - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From eayres at comcast.net Sun Jul 1 14:56:34 2007 From: eayres at comcast.net (E. Daniel Ayres) Date: Sun Jul 1 15:09:14 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Wiping the slate clean... Message-ID: <000501c7bc11$8c8f83b0$6400a8c0@SVC1> Matt Baya asked: >do other people feel that in order to get to the independent 'new >Antioch' we have to wipe the slate clean? I don't know how easy it is to get a slate clean or even how to determine if it is clean. The current "in control" BoT has declared that they are in the process of doing exactly that, starting over fresh with a new design after a four year hiatus. There were enough things which had grown to the level of festering sores on the body of Antioch College as it is/was when the board declared it gone that any plan to keep it alive or to resurrect it must deal with, that , given our liberal penchant for focused advocacy and deliberation, the assumption that resolution would take four years to accomplish is probably not all that unfounded. My main concern is not so much getting all the issues hammered out, but rather preservation of the capital, both historical, and physical, which represents the core of the Antioch College we all experienced and grew within. Allowing four years to pass without a program and a faculty or maintenance removes a lot of the tradition aspect of the community, an element we Liberals do not often venerate, but which is now recognized as critical. Starting anew guarantees that what emerges will potentially loose focus on at least some of the current priorities. To me, that is not all bad. The "tradition" that says, we can't afford to do that, is insidious and destructive. It has been the mantra of the administration and expressed by administrators who would not be likely to consider firing themselves to create the cash flow required to achieve the objective. The resurrection or salvation of the College comes from a statement, "this is what must be done, and this is how it will be done." I fear that we, as a loosely structured multi-tiered community of trained skeptics and activists, won't be able to state what it is that must be done and then do what it takes to get it done without an agreement which essentially says, "the marriage has failed, a divorce is necessary, and I get the kids and my rightful share of the community property." In this, Antioch College plays the role of the struggling and dutiful wife who is somewhat blindsided by the suspect philandering husband who finally declares, "I'm getting out." He has taken the time to "set the table" for the struggle before making the announcement. She doesn't even have an attorney. I believe the Antioch College Faculty is now represented by one. The current Antioch University and its' BoT are represented. Are the students? Is Yellow Springs? What about us alumnae? Can we agree on anything other than "we need X dollars to save Antioch College?" where X is an unknown and we must learn/re-learn the math required to solve the equation for X? I think we need to recognize the fact that the slate is being wiped while we are still in shock. I've seen several postings from people who have received notice or who are leaving, or who are already gone as I write on July 1. The shutdown of the residential program is gaining its' own momentum. Is there a man on a white horse with $20m offering to step up next week? Next month? If not, I am resigned to working through the struggle to achieve the divorce before making plans. Anything other than a board and leadership focused on the priorities for residential cooperative undergraduate education with full financial control and disclosure before anything else, it seems to me, is not going to be able to save Antioch College. E. Daniel Ayres, AKA ZundapMan 734-395-9141 (cell) 734-434-9694 (home) http://home.comcast.net/~eayres From joyljoseph at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 15:24:59 2007 From: joyljoseph at yahoo.com (joy joseph) Date: Sun Jul 1 15:37:25 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Fest Message-ID: <723891.45562.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This is my first post- hope I'm doing it right! I was in the production of House of Bernarda Alba & am pretty sure it was in '79 or '80; I graduated in '80. Can't remember the name of the woman who directed but she taught mime classes at Antioch for maybe 2 years in the late 70's, had short dark hair with bangs & always dressed in black...(except the first day of spring, when she changed the color of her tights.) Ann someone?? Anyone..?? If I remember right she hooked up with the guy who played the amazing flamenco guitar for the show. Can't remember his name either- The people I remember doing puppets were Jerry & Sue Cannon. Joy Joseph'80 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From kathycallaway at whiz.to Sun Jul 1 22:32:35 2007 From: kathycallaway at whiz.to (Katherine Anne Stansbury) Date: Sun Jul 1 22:45:04 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The board and Toni must be challenged and challenged *hard* Message-ID: <390720d8d2b6d6cb6bd963cda34d6df9@whiz.to> E. Daniel Ayres said at http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/2007-July/001533.html: My main concern is not so much getting all the issues hammered out, but rather preservation of the capital, both historical, and physical, which represents the core of the Antioch College we all experienced and grew within. ------- Daniel has it right. We need action *now* to keep the College intact. The board and Toni must be challenged and challenged *hard*. They need to be challenged in their positions, and they need to be challenged on their decision to close. Not in a month, or six months--the deeds/contracts/leases liquidating the College property will be signed by then. What motivation do they have to negotiate with us? None. I am not sensing much urgency here. The board, and especially Toni, cannot be trusted with the College. Period. From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 22:51:05 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sun Jul 1 23:03:34 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The board and Toni must be challenged and challenged*hard* In-Reply-To: <390720d8d2b6d6cb6bd963cda34d6df9@whiz.to> Message-ID: I think this is a false contradiction We need to hammer now to buy the time to raise the money and make the plan. I sense momentum shifting our way. The last 2 DDN stories showed us a couple of things: 1) Toni is in retreat or she would not have made the 10 million comment 2) They have money enough to give themselves HALF A MILLION dollars in bonuses. The latter of the 2 revelations is something we can run with. Please realize that the people that shut us down paid themselves more money IN BONUSES than we have raised. This can be spun: 1) Why couldnt Toni forgo that bonus to "provide leadership" in this time of crisis? 2) Right now the press dialogue and echo chamber resounance is "Antioch killed itself with political correctness"... We now have the begining of a supply of ammunition (more will come to light soon I'm sure... because it there, we just have to find it) that changes the story to "Antioch was killed by corporate greed on the scale of Enron" Any statement made to the press ought to indeleibly link the Names Toni Murdock and Kenneth Lay. This story needs a villian. Right now that villian is "political correctness" and/or "liberalism" and or "'60s nostalgia". Lets shift the blame pattern. As far hammering things out, the board has a fiducary duty to keep the college open if a bussiness plan and money exist to do so... These things must be hammered out. We can do this... One thing does not exclude the other. If we attack their bussiness practices we should have so good ones of our own. ---G '97 "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Katherine Anne Stansbury >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: SaveAntioch listserve ,AlumniChat >listserve >Subject: [Alumni-chat] The board and Toni must be challenged and >challenged*hard* >Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 19:32:35 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc3-f23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 1 >Jul 2007 19:32:41 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DA96055674;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:45:04 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mm5.whiz.to (mm5.coho.net [206.58.39.175])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id E43626055655for ; Sun, >1 Jul 2007 22:45:01 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from [192.168.0.3] (unknown [216.151.17.31])by mm5.whiz.to >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6337DBE;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 19:27:40 -0700 (PDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW42qp4ZOWc1WnTSlKcpgSxNSZA0qiSWIHJENJVylRXg7GRK3V+85zKDy >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 02:32:41.0771 (UTC) >FILETIME=[43B5CFB0:01C7BC51] > >E. Daniel Ayres said at >http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/2007-July/001533.html: >My main concern is not so much getting all the issues hammered out, but >rather preservation of the capital, both historical, and physical, which >represents the core of the Antioch College we all experienced and grew >within. >------- >Daniel has it right. We need action *now* to keep the College intact. The >board and Toni must be challenged and challenged *hard*. They need to be >challenged in their positions, and they need to be challenged on their >decision to close. Not in a month, or six months--the >deeds/contracts/leases liquidating the College property will be signed by >then. What motivation do they have to negotiate with us? None. > >I am not sensing much urgency here. The board, and especially Toni, cannot >be trusted with the College. Period. > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 From kathycallaway at whiz.to Sun Jul 1 23:08:25 2007 From: kathycallaway at whiz.to (Katherine Anne Stansbury) Date: Sun Jul 1 23:20:53 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] The board and Toni must be challenged and challenged*hard* In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gerry, Didn't mean my call to protect the assets as an either/or... Agree with everything you said about the bonuses and press strategy. k From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 23:27:09 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sun Jul 1 23:39:39 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] The board and Toni must be challengedand challen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dont sweat it... However there is a danger here... Well many dangers, The one I'm talking about however is where we think any one strategy or action or set of actions will be the winner. The US military wins by using what they call "Full Spectrum Dominance" which basically means "Being the best at everything".... We should do the same thing. We need the best plan, the Best Fundraising and the best narative to win this... I just dont want people to get to pulled into any one thing that excludes or appears to exclude others. There are at least 17,000 very smart tough independant creative people that dont want to see this go down. There are 5 - 10 people that want to make a quick buck. I think we are going to win and they are going to loose "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Katherine Anne Stansbury >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: SaveAntioch listserve ,AlumniChat >listserve >Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] The board and Toni must be >challengedand challenged*hard* >Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 20:08:25 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc2-f11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 1 >Jul 2007 20:08:29 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A998605574F;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:20:53 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mm5.whiz.to (mm5.coho.net [206.58.39.175])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 636CB6055740for ; Sun, >1 Jul 2007 23:20:51 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from [192.168.0.3] (unknown [216.151.17.31])by mm5.whiz.to >(Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7F97DC9;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 20:03:30 -0700 (PDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW42dEGfzQ0HaULyn0rDvX0zXM3SNwPoo7mYAxQZU/pTaAYcyMpx3beuz >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >References: >X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 03:08:29.0792 (UTC) >FILETIME=[4407CE00:01C7BC56] > >Gerry, >Didn't mean my call to protect the assets as an either/or... >Agree with everything you said about the bonuses and press strategy. >k > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm From dan at thisibelieve.org Sun Jul 1 23:29:59 2007 From: dan at thisibelieve.org (dan@thisibelieve.org) Date: Sun Jul 1 23:42:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Op Ed piece in Yellow Springs News In-Reply-To: <20070701162453.A31076054903@w3.antioch.edu> References: <20070701162453.A31076054903@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <50581.65.80.74.75.1183346999.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> Friends, I was asked by the Yellow Springs News to write a brief Op Ed piece about the announced closing of the college. Here is a link to that piece, which sums up my thoughts about the whole issue, though the ending is slightly dated already. I wrote this in the immediate aftermath of having spent a very emotionally draining Friday at the Alumni Reunion. I was so sad and depressed that I decided to drive back home to Louisville the next morning rather than staying for what I thought would be fairly meaningless (under the circumstances) social events. Unfortunately, this meant that I missed the extraordinary gathering in Kelly Hall where all the money was raised and people started organizing. I'm sure if I had stayed for that, my words would have been more hopeful than elegiac, but I had already filed it before I belatedly learned about what had happened on Saturday. http://www.ysnews.com/editorial/index.html BTW, I'm very excited by Sister Sara's terrific effort to draft a comprehensive action plan. I've been waiting for such a document to be put forth. It is far better, I have found, to have something in front of us to act as a catalyst for critical thinking and deliberating. I'm hoping that people can use this forum to creatively and respectfully discuss the merits of it, edit it as they see fit, and then use it as a framework for targeted action (something that all the various task forces can use as jumping-off points for their work). All the best, Dan Gediman '82 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 23:42:39 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sun Jul 1 23:55:08 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Op Ed piece in Yellow Springs News In-Reply-To: <50581.65.80.74.75.1183346999.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> Message-ID: A number of us are also drafting a plan... it will be released very soon "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: dan@thisibelieve.org >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Op Ed piece in Yellow Springs News >Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:29:59 -0400 (EDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc10-f13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, >1 Jul 2007 20:30:05 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 7612C60557FD;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:42:28 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from wbm2.pair.net (wbm2.pair.net [209.68.3.43])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FFB60557DEfor ; Sun, >1 Jul 2007 23:42:26 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by wbm2.pair.net (Postfix, from userid 65534)id 6270C11729; Sun, >1 Jul 2007 23:29:59 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from 65.80.74.75 ([65.80.74.75])(SquirrelMail authenticated user >dan@thisibelieve.org)by webmail2.pair.com with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 >23:29:59 -0400 (EDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW41YfCvd62lpdY04Jqgge+2zXBqW4vJeVPhiVFsTGmcrVG2JkbDfAccO >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >References: <20070701162453.A31076054903@w3.antioch.edu> >User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 03:30:05.0149 (UTC) >FILETIME=[481F98D0:01C7BC59] > >Friends, > >I was asked by the Yellow Springs News to write a brief Op Ed piece about >the announced closing of the college. Here is a link to that piece, which >sums up my thoughts about the whole issue, though the ending is slightly >dated already. I wrote this in the immediate aftermath of having spent a >very emotionally draining Friday at the Alumni Reunion. I was so sad and >depressed that I decided to drive back home to Louisville the next morning >rather than staying for what I thought would be fairly meaningless (under >the circumstances) social events. Unfortunately, this meant that I missed >the extraordinary gathering in Kelly Hall where all the money was raised >and people started organizing. I'm sure if I had stayed for that, my words >would have been more hopeful than elegiac, but I had already filed it >before I belatedly learned about what had happened on Saturday. > >http://www.ysnews.com/editorial/index.html > >BTW, I'm very excited by Sister Sara's terrific effort to draft a >comprehensive action plan. I've been waiting for such a document to be put >forth. It is far better, I have found, to have something in front of us to >act as a catalyst for critical thinking and deliberating. I'm hoping that >people can use this forum to creatively and respectfully discuss the >merits of it, edit it as they see fit, and then use it as a framework for >targeted action (something that all the various task forces can use as >jumping-off points for their work). > >All the best, > >Dan Gediman '82 >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 From matt at baya.net Mon Jul 2 00:14:25 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Mon Jul 2 00:29:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jun 30, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Sistersara@aol.com wrote: > Matt, I don't think keeping open is really an option. Thank you for being clear on where you stand on this issue. As I mentioned earlier there are a number of us who are working, very hard right now, towards the 'Keep it open' goal. I am not excited about the idea of 'building a new college' in 2012, no matter how cool it may be. That will not be 'Antioch' to me if the current 'community' is dissolved. My heart and checkbook will go elsewhere. As you said, I'm reacting to the heat of the now but it's more than that. This isn't kneejerk, I don't think the BoT or Steve Lawry are evil, I just think they are steering the ship in the wrong direction and don't share the same vision for Antioch College that I and others share. For as long as I've been involved with Antioch there has been a tangible tension between the "business" of Antioch verses the "Community" of Antioch. I think that we've drifted too far into the business end of things and that's what has been hurting the college. I think the BOT was right in one of their arguments on why the new curriculum was needed... Antioch should be unique. However I think they were idiots for telling the faculty how to do the curriculum, the curriculum wasnt what we needed to make unique, what we needed was a way to market what was already unique about Antioch. But the BOT was pushing for profit.. "make it more generic on the politics/ community aspect, get a more generic president, other generic places make money, we can too". This is similar to what happened with WYSO.. it got "NPR"d.. local volunteer shows were replaced with syndicated ones that raised more money. More money = better right? Not if it's at the expense of the mission, and I think the BOT's 'mission' and vision of Antioch College got watered down and has drifted far from the potential the college has. Here's the thing, I care deeply about the faculty there now, I studied with many of them 15 years ago as a student, and worked with them for the 5 years I worked at the college after graduating, and have met and corresponded with many of the newer faculty since then. They are an amazing bunch of people and I am have no qualms about the academic program Antioch provides. They are worth fighting to save. I have also met and corresponded with a number of current students and they too are worth fighting to save. While I have some mixed feelings about the pros & cons of Unions from time to time, they staff members I know & have worked with are amazing individuals. No one stays at Antioch for the money, they stay for the community, whether that's the broader community or the co-workers they work with day to day, logical or no, I believe Antioch attracts and retains exceptional people. Antioch's institutional memory and community are worth fighting to save. If the doors close on 7/1/08 we lose all that. While I love the goal of having an independent Antioch College, and of having an Antioch College in 2012 that rocks, I refuse to accept the idea that the only way to accomplish this is to shut it down and restart it years later. And while others may not be posting here on this subject, I know for certain I am not alone in this feeling. That's what is driving me to spend hours on this subject brainstorming with others about ideas on how to save Antioch, raise funds, help admissions, help the faculty etc. Not just now but down the road. This huge grassroots effort we're seeing now isn't a 'reopen in 2012' effort. It's "Save Antioch". Closing the doors in 2008 is letting it die, and I will not let that happen without a fight. I can point out a number of things I think were flawed with the current Antioch but I refuse to believe that it was a dying college. This crisis was manufactured by the BoT. If they had left the curriculum alone, or even funded the 5 year plan they promised, I believe Antioch College would be solvent. Struggling perhaps, but not closing it's doors. I'm not living in an illusion. I understand the BOT is in control now. I understand that faculty, staff and students are leaving NOW. I also understand that keeping it open will be hard and isn't statistically likely. But I've also seen more energy and focus on Antioch in the past week than I have in years. I can't explain this in any logical manner, but there are a number of us who have been basically waiting for a chance to help Antioch. Antioch never asked for our help beyond fund raising and that wasn't what we could provide, least not in the amounts they wanted. But whether the BOT intended this or not, they've woken the 'sleeping giant', at least for the Antioch circles I travel in. People are not just pissed off and whining, they are working hard with ideas, vision and passion to do what they can to keep the doors open. We may not succeed but damned if we're not going to do all we can to fight this decision. This is why it's worth doing work NOW to keep it open. The sooner we reverse this decision the sooner we can start the new Antioch plan and put this passion towards not just fundraising but helping Antioch reach it's potential. I am glad folks like you, Michael Olenick, and Mark Pomerantz are discussing some of the bigger vision planning for down the road. I still believe in an amazing kickass Antioch in 2012, I just think.. no, scratch that... I BELIEVE we can get there from where we are now without hitting the reset button. If others are out there who feel the same about keeping it open, please speak up, i'm feeling kinda lonely here. On the other hand if everyone here are all '2012ers' well then we need to figure out why the dozens if not hundreds of folks doing the grassroots 'save antioch' work are on such a different page than those in the chat rooms. In the meantime, if it takes bake sales, concerts, and other wild ideas to keep Antioch open then that's what we'll do. Logical & pragmatic, probably not, but worth doing? Definitely. -Matt '92 From juju70 at msn.com Mon Jul 2 00:21:00 2007 From: juju70 at msn.com (Judith Wolert-Maldonado) Date: Mon Jul 2 00:33:27 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Last call to sign Yellow Springs News ad: Deadline is Monday (7/2/07), 10 am E.S.T. Message-ID: Hi all, I'm posting this on behalf of our Yellow Springs letter-writing committee (part of the greater Yellow Springs organizing group -we'll come up with an official name soon.). Following my message is the ad that we will be taking out in the next issue of the Yellow Springs News in support of keeping Antioch College open. Tim Noble had already posted it here for us earlier (thanks, Tim!), but we wanted to give readers one last chance and reminder to send your names to Ruth Hoff (Yellow Springs resident since '96 and contact person for Y.S. letter writers) if you want to be added to the list of signers. We invite anyone within the Antioch College network and beyond, to sign. We know that there are supporters, fans and friends of Antioch College out there, beyond Yellow Springs, Ohio and beyond the United States. Now is your chance to show your support, alongside residents of Yellow Springs, in this week's half-page ad. Please send your full name and year of Antioch College graduation (if applicable) under the subject heading, "add my name to the ys news ad" to Ruth directly at rhoff@wittenberg.edu no later than 10 am, Eastern Standard Time, Monday morning (July 2, 2007). Please do not reply to this posting on this listserv with your name to be added, as Ruth is not yet in this listserv & will only have time to be checking her emails. Please forward this to friends who might be interested in signing the ad. We want the university administrators to see how many Antioch College supporters there are beyond our small town of Yellow Springs. Now the money issue: The add will cost us $400, a worthy $400 we believe. We've been collecting money for the ad at the Emporium (in Yellow Springs), $2.50 (slow weekend!), as of this afternoon. One of the members of our committee will front the money tomorrow, we will continue to keep the collection jar at the Emporium all week and we will "pass the hat around" at our first town meeting on July 10th. But, if anyone out there is willing and able to help fund the ad, please send your contributions to Ruth Hoff (make checks payable to Ruth Hoff), to 211 West Center College, Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387. Ruth has said that any money raised beyond the $400 will, of course, be turned over to the alums' Antioch College Revival Fund at US Bank. Thank you! -Judith Wolert-Maldonado, '05 (attended '94-'96 and '03-'05) ----------------------------------------------------------- Copy of the ad to run in the YS News: We who have signed our names below stand united with the current effort of the Antioch College Alumni to raise at least forty million dollars by next spring in order to guarantee the continued, uninterrupted operation of Antioch College. We believe that the plan put forth by the Antioch Trustees to close the college and then reopen it in four years ?as a state-of-the art, twenty-first century residential undergraduate program? is dangerously unrealistic in its expectations and un-Antiochian in its design from the top down. We stand united in our support of the Antioch College faculty and staff who have under inordinate pressures struggled far too long for far too little to keep the reality of Antioch alive. We are not under the illusion that the solution here is easy, and we know the remedy can not be short term; we realize that the effort before us is continuous and Herculean. We realize that while forty million dollars might ensure the survival of Antioch College into the near future, much more will be needed to revitalize and safeguard the institution. We believe that this is not only possible but necessary. For the alternative is to us unthinkable. Make no mistake: Antioch College built Yellow Springs, not the other way around. And we believe that if we work together to revitalize Antioch into a vibrant, thriving institution, we also revitalize the town. The desire to see Antioch College succeed is not parochial. However funereal the national press has been this past week regarding the fate of Antioch College, all news and editorial accounts have acknowledged the importance of Antioch College as a bedrock institution of free thought in this country. At this point in our history when democracy is on the chopping block, we believe the world needs a revitalized Antioch College more than ever. So we ask you to stand with us in support of Antioch faculty, staff and alumni in their efforts to revive the college. Visit the Antioch College Revival Fund Web Site at Antiochians.org. An account has been set up through the US Bank to accept donations to the Antioch College Revival Fund. From rowankaiser at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 00:35:35 2007 From: rowankaiser at gmail.com (Rowan Kaiser) Date: Mon Jul 2 00:48:03 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe that it's also important to note that the '2012' year is not a date which was chosen because it made the best business sense and there was a plan which made it the best working date. It turns out that if they were to reopen earlier, they would have to rehire the tenured faculty. This is about purging Antioch College. Rowan On 7/1/07, Matthew Baya wrote: > > On Jun 30, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Sistersara@aol.com wrote: > > Matt, I don't think keeping open is really an option. > > Thank you for being clear on where you stand on this issue. As I > mentioned earlier there are a number of us who are working, very hard > right now, towards the 'Keep it open' goal. I am not excited about > the idea of 'building a new college' in 2012, no matter how cool it > may be. That will not be 'Antioch' to me if the current 'community' > is dissolved. My heart and checkbook will go elsewhere. > > As you said, I'm reacting to the heat of the now but it's more than > that. This isn't kneejerk, I don't think the BoT or Steve Lawry are > evil, I just think they are steering the ship in the wrong direction > and don't share the same vision for Antioch College that I and others > share. For as long as I've been involved with Antioch there has been > a tangible tension between the "business" of Antioch verses the > "Community" of Antioch. I think that we've drifted too far into the > business end of things and that's what has been hurting the college. > I think the BOT was right in one of their arguments on why the new > curriculum was needed... Antioch should be unique. However I think > they were idiots for telling the faculty how to do the curriculum, > the curriculum wasnt what we needed to make unique, what we needed > was a way to market what was already unique about Antioch. But the > BOT was pushing for profit.. "make it more generic on the politics/ > community aspect, get a more generic president, other generic places > make money, we can too". This is similar to what happened with WYSO.. > it got "NPR"d.. local volunteer shows were replaced with syndicated > ones that raised more money. More money = better right? Not if it's > at the expense of the mission, and I think the BOT's 'mission' and > vision of Antioch College got watered down and has drifted far from > the potential the college has. > > Here's the thing, I care deeply about the faculty there now, I > studied with many of them 15 years ago as a student, and worked with > them for the 5 years I worked at the college after graduating, and > have met and corresponded with many of the newer faculty since then. > They are an amazing bunch of people and I am have no qualms about the > academic program Antioch provides. They are worth fighting to save. I > have also met and corresponded with a number of current students and > they too are worth fighting to save. While I have some mixed feelings > about the pros & cons of Unions from time to time, they staff members > I know & have worked with are amazing individuals. No one stays at > Antioch for the money, they stay for the community, whether that's > the broader community or the co-workers they work with day to day, > logical or no, I believe Antioch attracts and retains exceptional > people. Antioch's institutional memory and community are worth > fighting to save. If the doors close on 7/1/08 we lose all that. > > While I love the goal of having an independent Antioch College, and > of having an Antioch College in 2012 that rocks, I refuse to accept > the idea that the only way to accomplish this is to shut it down and > restart it years later. And while others may not be posting here on > this subject, I know for certain I am not alone in this feeling. > That's what is driving me to spend hours on this subject > brainstorming with others about ideas on how to save Antioch, raise > funds, help admissions, help the faculty etc. Not just now but down > the road. This huge grassroots effort we're seeing now isn't a > 'reopen in 2012' effort. It's "Save Antioch". Closing the doors in > 2008 is letting it die, and I will not let that happen without a > fight. I can point out a number of things I think were flawed with > the current Antioch but I refuse to believe that it was a dying > college. This crisis was manufactured by the BoT. If they had left > the curriculum alone, or even funded the 5 year plan they promised, I > believe Antioch College would be solvent. Struggling perhaps, but not > closing it's doors. > > I'm not living in an illusion. I understand the BOT is in control > now. I understand that faculty, staff and students are leaving NOW. I > also understand that keeping it open will be hard and isn't > statistically likely. But I've also seen more energy and focus on > Antioch in the past week than I have in years. I can't explain this > in any logical manner, but there are a number of us who have been > basically waiting for a chance to help Antioch. Antioch never asked > for our help beyond fund raising and that wasn't what we could > provide, least not in the amounts they wanted. But whether the BOT > intended this or not, they've woken the 'sleeping giant', at least > for the Antioch circles I travel in. People are not just pissed off > and whining, they are working hard with ideas, vision and passion to > do what they can to keep the doors open. We may not succeed but > damned if we're not going to do all we can to fight this decision. > > This is why it's worth doing work NOW to keep it open. The sooner we > reverse this decision the sooner we can start the new Antioch plan > and put this passion towards not just fundraising but helping Antioch > reach it's potential. I am glad folks like you, Michael Olenick, and > Mark Pomerantz are discussing some of the bigger vision planning for > down the road. I still believe in an amazing kickass Antioch in 2012, > I just think.. no, scratch that... I BELIEVE we can get there from > where we are now without hitting the reset button. > > If others are out there who feel the same about keeping it open, > please speak up, i'm feeling kinda lonely here. On the other hand if > everyone here are all '2012ers' well then we need to figure out why > the dozens if not hundreds of folks doing the grassroots 'save > antioch' work are on such a different page than those in the chat > rooms. In the meantime, if it takes bake sales, concerts, and other > wild ideas to keep Antioch open then that's what we'll do. Logical & > pragmatic, probably not, but worth doing? Definitely. > > -Matt '92 > > > _______________________________________________ > SaveAntioch mailing list > SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > From dawn at mediawonk.com Mon Jul 2 01:04:26 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Mon Jul 2 01:17:07 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Last call to sign Yellow Springs News ad: Deadline is Monday (7/2/07), 10 am E.S.T. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Count me in please. Dawn Scribner, Marin County CA, class of '83 On 7/1/07 9:21 PM, "Judith Wolert-Maldonado" wrote: > > Hi all, > I'm posting this on behalf of our Yellow Springs letter-writing committee > (part of the greater Yellow Springs organizing group -we'll come up with an > official name soon.). > Following my message is the ad that we will be taking out in the next issue of > the Yellow Springs News in support of keeping Antioch College open. > > Tim Noble had already posted it here for us earlier (thanks, Tim!), but we > wanted to give readers one last chance and reminder to send your names to Ruth > Hoff (Yellow Springs resident since '96 and contact person for Y.S. letter > writers) if you want to be added to the list of signers. > > We invite anyone within the Antioch College network and beyond, to sign. We > know that there are supporters, fans and friends of Antioch College out there, > beyond Yellow Springs, Ohio and beyond the United States. Now is your chance > to show your support, alongside residents of Yellow Springs, in this week's > half-page ad. > > Please send your full name and year of Antioch College graduation (if > applicable) under the subject heading, "add my name to the ys news ad" to Ruth > directly at rhoff@wittenberg.edu no later than 10 am, Eastern Standard Time, > Monday morning (July 2, 2007). > Please do not reply to this posting on this listserv with your name to be > added, as Ruth is not yet in this listserv & will only have time to be > checking her emails. > > Please forward this to friends who might be interested in signing the ad. We > want the university administrators to see how many Antioch College supporters > there are beyond our small town of Yellow Springs. > > Now the money issue: The add will cost us $400, a worthy $400 we believe. > We've been collecting money for the ad at the Emporium (in Yellow Springs), > $2.50 (slow weekend!), as of this afternoon. One of the members of our > committee will front the money tomorrow, we will continue to keep the > collection jar at the Emporium all week and we will "pass the hat around" at > our first town meeting on July 10th.