From dawn at mediawonk.com Sat Dec 1 02:28:56 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Sat Dec 1 02:29:01 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Regarding the UU and Antioch Message-ID: Richelle Russell, class of '8 (I think?) is a Unitarian minister and leading advocate for gay rights. She might be a good conduit for a connection with the church. From matt at baya.net Sat Dec 1 08:40:50 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Sat Dec 1 08:40:58 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Regarding the UU and Antioch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A1BDA4D-0241-4E1B-8CAF-EB5008762D8D@baya.net> actually one real close connection is a current student, Julian Sharp, mentioned in his statement to the BOT at the August meeting that he had been on the Board of Trustees of the Unitarian Universalist Association (UUA) (which is the main organization for all UU chuches). Marshall Hawkins '92 is also a UU minister, and I suspect there are many others if we start shaking the UU/Antioch tree. I sense a Record/Antiochian article coming along here ;) And while I'm not sure about the coffee hour fundraising idea, if we can get Antioch admissions applications anywhere near UU teens that would be a great recruitment effort. Maybe Antioch could host a YRUU conference or sponsor some event that would attract UU youth. -Matt On Dec 1, 2007, at 2:28 AM, Dawn Scribner wrote: > > Richelle Russell, class of '8 (I think?) is a Unitarian minister and > leading > advocate for gay rights. She might be a good conduit for a > connection with > the church. > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From edk at homesickblues.com Sat Dec 1 11:54:08 2007 From: edk at homesickblues.com (Ed M Koziarski) Date: Sat Dec 1 11:54:14 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Action Network Message-ID: To truly reverse its closure, Antioch College needs to begin acting like it?s open, and begin building on its vibrant academic foundation to grow into a healthy, self-sufficient institution. To make this happen, Antioch must immediately: * establish the College Advisory Board and invest it with real authority, including hiring a College President * remove internal barriers and begin recruiting and admitting new and transfer students for Fall 2008 * restore tenure and remove the threat of firing that hangs over faculty and staff * maintain all academic and support services during renovations * hold leadership accountable for past decisions and statements * ensure an open and participatory decision making process * guarantee a commitment from leadership to operate on principles of openness and honesty * have leaders committed to the turnaround of Antioch College * call for respect in communications from all university officials so the College?s already challenging task isn?t made more difficult If you support this message, please lend your name to the cause by signing on to this statement at http://acan.antiochians.org/. We will contact you in the coming weeks with an invitation to become involved with the Antioch College Action Network, an independent collective of students, faculty, staff, alumni, villagers and friends of the college. Your email address will be used to no other ends. Sincerely, the Antioch College Action Network From culrich at incentre.net Sat Dec 1 15:47:45 2007 From: culrich at incentre.net (Carl Ulrich) Date: Sat Dec 1 15:48:03 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Rod Sterling '57 Message-ID: <200712012048.lB1KmAq6034542@bach.incentre.net> There is an interesting article about Rod Sterling in the current issue of UU World, as well as three links to additional information about Rod. He was able to creatively use the Twilight Zone format to deal with a number of controversial social issues that would not have been acceptable to the networks in a regular TV format. He did one program on the life of Horace Mann. It would be great to find a video of that program. The article can be accessed from: http://www.uuworld.org/life/articles/50619.shtml Carl Ulrich 59 Edmonton, Alberta Canada From thebangaloreblue at yahoo.com Sat Dec 1 16:34:23 2007 From: thebangaloreblue at yahoo.com (TheBangaloreBlue) Date: Sat Dec 1 16:34:26 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming! The Christians are Coming! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <476814.3170.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I think Antioch needs to re-establish it's connection to the progressive/liberal faith community, specifically Christian Churches. One currently exists, but I feel it is not intentional. I feel the strong -anti-religion atmosphere at Antioch is not healthy. I find it ironic, because most students at Antioch identify as being passionate about Social Justice, a term and idology created and implemented by the Roman Catholic Church. Dawn Scribner wrote: Richelle Russell, class of '8 (I think?) is a Unitarian minister and leading advocate for gay rights. She might be a good conduit for a connection with the Christian Church. _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. From bobabramspe at webtv.net Sat Dec 1 20:58:40 2007 From: bobabramspe at webtv.net (Robert Abrams) Date: Sat Dec 1 20:58:45 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Action Network Message-ID: To Ed Kozarski: I support your statement but cannot use the link supplied. AVE ATQUE VALE (Hail and farewell-the gladiator's salutation) -----Original Message----- From: Ed M Koziarski Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2007 11:54 AM To: alumni chat Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Action Network To truly reverse its closure, Antioch College needs to begin acting like it???s open, and begin building on its vibrant academic foundation to grow into a healthy, self-sufficient institution. To make this happen, Antioch must immediately: * establish the College Advisory Board and invest it with real authority, including hiring a College President * remove internal barriers and begin recruiting and admitting new and transfer students for Fall 2008 * restore tenure and remove the threat of firing that hangs over faculty and staff * maintain all academic and support services during renovations * hold leadership accountable for past decisions and statements * ensure an open and participatory decision making process * guarantee a commitment from leadership to operate on principles of openness and honesty * have leaders committed to the turnaround of Antioch College * call for respect in communications from all university officials so the College???s already challenging task isn???t made more difficult If you support this message, please lend your name to the cause by signing on to this statement at http://acan.antiochians.org/. We will contact you in the coming weeks with an invitation to become involved with the Antioch College Action Network, an independent collective of students, faculty, staff, alumni, villagers and friends of the college. Your email address will be used to no other ends. Sincerely, the Antioch College Action Network _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Sat Dec 1 21:06:28 2007 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (YAZZ Allen) Date: Sat Dec 1 21:06:31 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming? The Christians are Coming? I hope not! In-Reply-To: <476814.3170.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <476814.3170.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi from Yazz '66! I really disagree with the statement that strong anti-religion feelings at Antioch are not healthy. I think such feelings are very healthy. Religion, as Marx accurately stated, is the opiate of the people, or one of the opiates, anyway. Religion is substitute for logic and dependence on actual experience. It celebrates the "blessed are they that believe but haven't seen" thing, which is idiotic. It's based on real estate everywhere, and its a grim substitute for culture and progress, which religion when powerful always opposes. This history of religion speaks for itself. It's a shameful history. Antiochians who are not religious are intelligent, and I'm one of them! I'm glad Antiioch was never seriously religious. That speaks well for Antioch. I hope that tradition continues. Best, Yazz '66 --------------------- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or WWW.NYCasting.Com. > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:34:23 -0800> From: thebangaloreblue@yahoo.com> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming! The Christians are Coming!> > I think Antioch needs to re-establish it's connection to the progressive/liberal faith community, specifically Christian Churches. One currently exists, but I feel it is not intentional. > > I feel the strong -anti-religion atmosphere at Antioch is not healthy. I find it ironic, because most students at Antioch identify as being passionate about Social Justice, a term and idology created and implemented by the Roman Catholic Church. > > Dawn Scribner wrote:> > Richelle Russell, class of '8 (I think?) is a Unitarian minister and leading> advocate for gay rights. She might be a good conduit for a connection with> the Christian Church. > > > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today!> > > > ---------------------------------> Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.> _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 From jonny.no at gmail.com Sat Dec 1 23:13:20 2007 From: jonny.no at gmail.com (Jonny) Date: Sat Dec 1 23:13:23 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming! The Christians are Coming! In-Reply-To: <476814.3170.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <476814.3170.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1b1896cc0712012013o1ca2d759kd0e5822dae60197a@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 1, 2007 4:34 PM, TheBangaloreBlue wrote: > strong -anti-religion I'm pretty certain this was foundational to the teachings of (the historical) Jesus long before the church ever added 'establishment' to his teachings. I could cite passages but that would be a bit overwhelming for all of us, i think. > Social Justice, a term and idology created and implemented by the Roman > Catholic Church. I dunno about 'created', but they have implemented such programs, tis true. This tends to get overlooked when viewed next to mishaps like... um, the entire middle ages, really; so the catholic spin may not be as effective in this particular context. I would agree that christians and antioch do share more in common then they don't, though. But I'm not referring to the christian majority; only to the earliest christians, who shared everything in common and adopted a consensus based system of governance where men and women participated equally in decision making, according to recent research. In addition, they apparently took care of the ill and elderly among themselves, a practice that sets them apart from all but the wealthiest of urban dwelling populations at the time, where most understandably saw that as way too risky. Turns out they developed community resistances to many of the things that were killing large numbers of folks on a regular basis, and thus in having a higher rate of survival plus resisting allegiance to the empire became unlikely threats to it's union, at which point they were promptly co-opted by an appropriation committee during the reign of Emperor Constantine. As for the environment here: In my time I have not seen any indication that Antioch is anti-christian. Anti-religion, yes - very much so, but this completely agrees with the teachings of jesus. It is the re-branding of 'christian' that is the problem. The brand got hijacked, is all. Hmm. Remind anyone of anything? Contrary to popular opinion, one could argue the 'brand' got started much earlier then 1853. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try > it now. > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > -- Jonny Estes NEW TEL#: 6147980914 (till 10pm) AIM: sixy777 !=marketing Open source e-marketing | Data & web solutions e: jonny.no@gmail.com From jonny.no at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 00:00:50 2007 From: jonny.no at gmail.com (Jonny) Date: Sun Dec 2 00:00:52 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming? The Christians are Coming? I hope not! In-Reply-To: References: <476814.3170.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1b1896cc0712012100y496cdd57rff4cef031896ff96@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 1, 2007 9:06 PM, YAZZ Allen wrote: > > Hi from Yazz '66! > > I really disagree with the statement that strong anti-religion feelings at > Antioch are not healthy. > the term religion ends up getting mixed up with spirituality, though. > ...logic and dependence on actual experience. It celebrates the "blessed > are they that believe but haven't seen" thing, which is idiotic. I disagree completely. Western rational thought is equally if not more idiotic: For instance I'm not convinced that what I've not experienced isn't just as real as what I have, or that things outside of my ability to perceive them don't exist, thus I'm not convinced that my perception allows for an authentic subjective representation of any objective reality Plus, there is a also good chance our space-time continuum is merely a filter applied to our neurobiology to keep us from exploding. If that weren't enough: In a historical analysis, one finds that the whole notion that a series of logical functions acting upon authentic experiences and forming the basis for rational behavior is an idea cooked up by the same rich, white oppressors marx was going on about. And even more particularly, as an academic notion providing an analytical framework through which culture may be studied, it is sorely lacking and is rapidly being discarded by most folks born into the hyper-saturated media environment of the early 21st century in favor of more fluid and nuanced systems which take illogical, organic and non-linear factors into account. Throwing faith out with the bathwater (*) is a bad idea. It is a component of transcendental thought and a valid foundation for ideals that are crucial to human development, including universal human justice; and for some: character, personality and community. It is important that in our effort to expose and right the many wrongs religious systems have inflicted on humankind throughout history (and contemporarily) that we do not hurt more people in the process. Demonizing religion is appropriate to religion, in my opinion it is literally appropriate, actually. Spiritualism and spirituality, on the other hand are senses that have been ignored by most western disciplines but are no less valid then the classical five. As a practice they deserve respect and as a a set of phenomena they need more investigation, especially from the left. jonny (*) the bathwater is completely fetid, unbearable, i agree - and I share in your outrage. From lrpjak at verizon.net Sun Dec 2 11:54:33 2007 From: lrpjak at verizon.net (L Powsner) Date: Sun Dec 2 11:55:15 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Regarding the UU and Antioch In-Reply-To: <5A1BDA4D-0241-4E1B-8CAF-EB5008762D8D@baya.net> References: <5A1BDA4D-0241-4E1B-8CAF-EB5008762D8D@baya.net> Message-ID: Unitarian Universalist General Assembly is late June every year. Last year it was in Portland, OR and 5,697 attended including 303 youth (high school age). Antioch could get a table in the exhibit hall, but since it's primarily adult focused, it might be better to sponsor something for the youth. A meal would be very popular since those youth are super independent, often not attending with parents and not eating with them even if they are there. I know my son gets hungry at GA! * June 25-29, 2008 Ft. Lauderdale, FL * June 24-28, 2009 Salt Lake City, UT * June 23-27, 2010 Minneapolis, MN One of my son's classmates at our UU congregation is a student at Antioch now and another went a few years ago. I can't think of a more perfect recruitment zone than the UU community. I've always felt that the UU values with which I was raised were in synch with Antioch values. Laurie lrpjak@verizon.net -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Baya Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:41 AM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Regarding the UU and Antioch actually one real close connection is a current student, Julian Sharp, mentioned in his statement to the BOT at the August meeting that he had been on the Board of Trustees of the Unitarian Universalist Association (UUA) (which is the main organization for all UU chuches). Marshall Hawkins '92 is also a UU minister, and I suspect there are many others if we start shaking the UU/Antioch tree. I sense a Record/Antiochian article coming along here ;) And while I'm not sure about the coffee hour fundraising idea, if we can get Antioch admissions applications anywhere near UU teens that would be a great recruitment effort. Maybe Antioch could host a YRUU conference or sponsor some event that would attract UU youth. -Matt On Dec 1, 2007, at 2:28 AM, Dawn Scribner wrote: > > Richelle Russell, class of '8 (I think?) is a Unitarian minister and > leading > advocate for gay rights. She might be a good conduit for a > connection with > the church. > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From sjr5 at nyu.edu Sun Dec 2 13:59:13 2007 From: sjr5 at nyu.edu (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) Date: Sun Dec 2 14:03:39 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming? The Christians are Coming? I hope not! In-Reply-To: <1b1896cc0712012100y496cdd57rff4cef031896ff96@mail.gmail.com> References: <476814.3170.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <1b1896cc0712012100y496cdd57rff4cef031896ff96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Religion" is way too broad a term for this discussion; it's on a level with "politics" -- it's neither good nor bad in itself. "Religion" could be anything from the quasi-state of Vatican City and the property-owning Catholic Church to the megachurches of evangelical Protestantism, the long-established Protestant denominations, Judaism from Orthodox to Reconstructionist, Islam in all its various manifestations, Hinduism, and small groups of spiritually minded people who follow their own traditions they've made up themselves. I think it's pretty clear that established churches have, usually, attached themselves to wherever state power has been, but even this isn't absolute. Black churches were a locus for civil rights activity in the South, but even some white churches supported civil rights, and one friend of mine persuaded his Southern Baptist parents that racism was wrong by appealing to their religious beliefs. Yes, the Catholic Church supported the feudal antimodernism of fascist Spain, but liberation theology came out of Catholicism as well. The Catholic Church supported dissidents in Poland in the 1970s and '80s without requiring those they supported to be "believers," but once communism was gone, the Church immediately started demanding that the state support antiabortion laws, despite majority opinion supporting abortion rights. By the way, when I was at Antioch, there was a chapel in a little building across the street from the C-Shop, next door to Connor, a little house dorm (which I understand has been demolished), and the chaplain was named Howard Johnson. We used to say Antioch had religion in 31 flavors. (Now is that an age-related joke? How old does one have to be get that?) >On Dec 1, 2007 9:06 PM, YAZZ Allen wrote: > >> >> Hi from Yazz '66! >> >> I really disagree with the statement that strong anti-religion feelings at >> Antioch are not healthy. >> >On Dec 2, 2007, Jonny wrote: >the term religion ends up getting mixed up with spirituality, though. > -- Sonia Jaffe Robbins Antioch College, '60-'62, '64 sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting ******************* "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels From matt at baya.net Sun Dec 2 16:06:02 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Sun Dec 2 16:06:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming? The Christians are Coming? I hope not! In-Reply-To: References: <476814.3170.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <1b1896cc0712012100y496cdd57rff4cef031896ff96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > By the way, when I was at Antioch, there was a chapel in a little > building across the street from the C-Shop, next door to Connor, a > little house dorm (which I understand has been demolished), The Rockford Chapel is still there and I believe the Yellow Springs Friends Meeting (quaker) meets there every week. The building that was recently demolished was the house across the street from it, Norment. > and the chaplain was named Howard Johnson. We used to say Antioch > had religion in 31 flavors. (Now is that an age-related joke? How > old does one have to be get that?) I'm 38 and I got it :) -Matt From judemers at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 17:24:50 2007 From: judemers at gmail.com (Jude Logan Demers) Date: Sun Dec 2 17:24:55 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Is There an Update Somewhere Message-ID: <20c4b6960712021424x48987894h3718ce75eb8b4735@mail.gmail.com> why can't we just start a new college run by us alumni. you can hire me as the first president dean of students to head the co-op department I'm not picky I'd like to chair the Spirituality Department of our new College -- love, peace, joy, light, knowledge, wisdom, and understanding om shanthi hallelujah amen om shanthi hallelujah amen om shanthi hallelujah amen From eayres at comcast.net Sun Dec 2 17:59:42 2007 From: eayres at comcast.net (E. Daniel Ayres) Date: Sun Dec 2 18:00:09 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] How about a UU Religious Studies chair? Message-ID: <000001c83537$06f03ca0$14d0b5e0$@net> I've been lurking but could not avoid piping up. Back in the 1950's it was primarily through the Unitarians that I learned about Antioch College. One of my early career objectives was to become a UU minister. I came to Antioch from LRY (The youth ministry which was merged by the Unitarians and the Universalists before they managed to merge the parent organizations). There were a lot of us on campus in the 1960's. I do not believe that there has been a college pastor at Antioch for some time. Insuring that there is one could be a task that the UU in Boston might actually be persuaded to adopt. I'm certainly going to start "pushing the idea" here at the UUAA (www.uuaa.org ) Lets' all try to find sustainable, practical steps which will help push the process of restoring and revitalizing the Antioch College program. Giving money with the restrictions recommended by the Antioch College alumnae board is still the most critical thing to do. Real money, not pledges, is what is desperately still needed. I'd like to see a financial report which says, this is what has been pledged, and this is what we have as spendable cash in hand. E. Daniel Ayres 734-395-9141 (cell) http://home.comcast.net/~eayres From jonny.no at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 18:27:45 2007 From: jonny.no at gmail.com (Jonny) Date: Sun Dec 2 18:27:50 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming? The Christians are Coming? I hope not! In-Reply-To: References: <476814.3170.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <1b1896cc0712012100y496cdd57rff4cef031896ff96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1b1896cc0712021527u6f28b9ey1cebd25f8c0137df@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 2, 2007 1:59 PM, Sonia Jaffe Robbins wrote: > "Religion" is way too broad a term for this discussion; it's on a > level with "politics" -- it's neither good nor bad in itself. > Your point is well taken, I stand corrected... Perhaps narrowing the scope to 'organized religion' might have been a better way of framing it. thanks for these insightful comments... j From sjr5 at nyu.edu Sun Dec 2 22:08:41 2007 From: sjr5 at nyu.edu (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) Date: Sun Dec 2 22:07:16 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming? The Christians are Coming? I hope not! In-Reply-To: References: <476814.3170.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <1b1896cc0712012100y496cdd57rff4cef031896ff96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think Connor was demolished longer ago than "recently." Connor was right across the street from Normant. When I was last in Yellow Springs, Connor was empty and its front porch was collapsing. I was told it was going to be torn down very soon. >>By the way, when I was at Antioch, there was a chapel in a little >>building across the street from the C-Shop, next door to Connor, a >>little house dorm (which I understand has been demolished), > >The Rockford Chapel is still there and I believe the Yellow Springs >Friends Meeting (quaker) meets there every week. The building that >was recently demolished was the house across the street from it, >Norment. > >>and the chaplain was named Howard Johnson. We used to say Antioch >>had religion in 31 flavors. (Now is that an age-related joke? How >>old does one have to be get that?) > >I'm 38 and I got it :) > >-Matt > > >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! -- Sonia Jaffe Robbins Antioch College, '60-'62, '64 sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting ******************* "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels From matt at baya.net Sun Dec 2 22:41:16 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Sun Dec 2 22:41:22 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming? The Christians are Coming? I hope not! In-Reply-To: References: <476814.3170.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <1b1896cc0712012100y496cdd57rff4cef031896ff96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3B877FEF-8449-448E-9399-BC7607C7146F@baya.net> Connor House was indeed next to Rockford Chapel and it was torn down in 1988 or so. I was a student at that time and participated in it's 'funeral'. Norment was the dorm/house across the street which was condemned and burnt down (by the fire dept for training) last fall. -Matt On Dec 2, 2007, at 10:08 PM, Sonia Jaffe Robbins wrote: > I think Connor was demolished longer ago than "recently." Connor was > right across the street from Normant. When I was last in Yellow > Springs, Connor was empty and its front porch was collapsing. I was > told it was going to be torn down very soon. From aadole at roadrunner.com Mon Dec 3 12:28:55 2007 From: aadole at roadrunner.com (Art Dole) Date: Mon Dec 3 09:31:13 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Action Network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/1/07 8:54 AM, "Ed M Koziarski" wrote: > To truly reverse its closure, Antioch College needs to begin acting like > it?s open, and begin building on its vibrant academic foundation to grow > into a healthy, self-sufficient institution. > > To make this happen, Antioch must immediately: An interesting idea. What about our elected Alumni Board? Continued accreditation? Faculty and staff participation? And I would add: > >*Secure ownership of plant, grounds, and Glen, plus endowment, independent of AU. *Retain tenured faculty and as many support staff as possible. From Daniel.Spock at MNHS.ORG Mon Dec 3 11:26:58 2007 From: Daniel.Spock at MNHS.ORG (Spock, Dan) Date: Mon Dec 3 11:27:01 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming? The Christians are Coming? I hope not! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think we are conflating Howard Johnson (28 flavors) with Baskin Robbins (31 flavors). Daniel Spock Director of Minnesota History Center Museum 345 Kellogg Blvd West St. Paul, Minnesota 55102 Tel: (651) 259-3050 Fax: (651) 297-8224 daniel.spock@mnhs.org -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu]On Behalf Of Sonia Jaffe Robbins Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 9:09 PM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming? The Christians are Coming? I hope not! I think Connor was demolished longer ago than "recently." Connor was right across the street from Normant. When I was last in Yellow Springs, Connor was empty and its front porch was collapsing. I was told it was going to be torn down very soon. >>By the way, when I was at Antioch, there was a chapel in a little >>building across the street from the C-Shop, next door to Connor, a >>little house dorm (which I understand has been demolished), > >The Rockford Chapel is still there and I believe the Yellow Springs >Friends Meeting (quaker) meets there every week. The building that >was recently demolished was the house across the street from it, >Norment. > >>and the chaplain was named Howard Johnson. We used to say Antioch >>had religion in 31 flavors. (Now is that an age-related joke? How >>old does one have to be get that?) > >I'm 38 and I got it :) > >-Matt > > >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! -- Sonia Jaffe Robbins Antioch College, '60-'62, '64 sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting ******************* "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From davidallenusa at yahoo.com Mon Dec 3 11:35:11 2007 From: davidallenusa at yahoo.com (YAZZ ALLEN) Date: Mon Dec 3 11:35:14 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Check out WWW.UTube.Com video material about current Antioch Crisis of 2007! It's wonderful! Message-ID: <236806.84643.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dec. 3, 07 Hi from Yazz (David) Allen '66 (YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com)! The WWW.UTube.Com site is filled with Antioch College material relating to the revolt against the AU Trustee closedown attempt all worth seeing. I just learned about this, and urge others who haven't seen the UTube stuff about Antioch to check it out. Go to the UTube.Com home page and input ANTIOCH in the search term box. Great stuff recently posted is there! I wasn't looking for Antioch material when I learned about this. I was looking for Bob Dylan 60's song performances. Fell into incredible Bob Dylan song performances on UTube I was shocked were available, and FREE! Mr. Tambourine Man at Newport 1964, the Homesick Sub. song from DON'T LOOK BACK, Dylan singing LIKE A ROLLING STONE in 1966, and more. THEN, I discovered a bunch of Antioch College stuff on UTube, including a bunch of very touching testimonials from a "Save Antioch" picnic in Chicago IL last 8/18/07. Really tugged at my heartstrings. Here's the URL for part of that, if you're interested (paste it into your browser!): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8o0Qw8hutc UTube is astonishing, and the possibilities are incredible, I'd say. Really comprehensive history of the current crisis and detailed, articulate and compelling polemics could and should be prepared on video and posted on UTube.Com, then publicized. It's a very dynamic way to tell the story of what's going on and what needs to happen in the near future. Best, Yazz (David) Allen '66 (YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com) ---- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my movie actor photos and recent credits at WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor, "WWW.CastingNetworks.Com. --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. From edk at homesickblues.com Mon Dec 3 12:33:19 2007 From: edk at homesickblues.com (Ed M Koziarski) Date: Mon Dec 3 12:34:01 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Check out WWW.UTube.Com video material about current Antioch Crisis of 2007! It's wonderful! In-Reply-To: <236806.84643.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You can find all 32 Save Antioch video testimonials at http://www.youtube.com/groups_videos?name=antiochcollege Everyone is encouraged to record and post your own to the Save Antioch YouTube group. If you?re interested and need help figuring it out, write me. Ed M. Koziarski ?97 on 12/3/07 10:35 AM, YAZZ ALLEN at davidallenusa@yahoo.com wrote: > Dec. 3, 07 > > Hi from Yazz (David) Allen '66 (YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com)! > > The WWW.UTube.Com site is filled with Antioch College material relating to > the revolt against the AU Trustee closedown attempt all worth seeing. > > I just learned about this, and urge others who haven't seen the UTube stuff > about Antioch to check it out. > > Go to the UTube.Com home page and input ANTIOCH in the search term box. > Great stuff recently posted is there! > > I wasn't looking for Antioch material when I learned about this. I was > looking for Bob Dylan 60's song performances. Fell into incredible Bob Dylan > song performances on UTube I was shocked were available, and FREE! Mr. > Tambourine Man at Newport 1964, the Homesick Sub. song from DON'T LOOK BACK, > Dylan singing LIKE A ROLLING STONE in 1966, and more. > > THEN, I discovered a bunch of Antioch College stuff on UTube, including a > bunch of very touching testimonials from a "Save Antioch" picnic in Chicago IL > last 8/18/07. > > Really tugged at my heartstrings. > > Here's the URL for part of that, if you're interested (paste it into your > browser!): > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8o0Qw8hutc > > UTube is astonishing, and the possibilities are incredible, I'd say. > > Really comprehensive history of the current crisis and detailed, articulate > and compelling polemics could and should be prepared on video and posted on > UTube.Com, then publicized. It's a very dynamic way to tell the story of > what's going on and what needs to happen in the near future. > > Best, > Yazz (David) Allen '66 > (YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com) > > From jonny.no at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 13:04:22 2007 From: jonny.no at gmail.com (Jonny) Date: Mon Dec 3 13:04:25 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Check out WWW.UTube.Com video material about current Antioch Crisis of 2007! It's wonderful! In-Reply-To: References: <236806.84643.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1b1896cc0712031004l58f42956x54ba0456460d09c0@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 3, 2007 12:33 PM, Ed M Koziarski wrote: > You can find all 32 Save Antioch video testimonials at > http://www.youtube.com/groups_videos?name=antiochcollege > > Everyone is encouraged to record and post your own to the Save Antioch > YouTube group. If you?re interested and need help figuring it out, write > me. Add me to the list of those available to provide support in helping folks figure out how to get stuff online or navigate through any of the available online media portals. I can be reached via email: jonny.no@gmail.com jonny From lucy.wollin at verizon.net Mon Dec 3 14:03:25 2007 From: lucy.wollin at verizon.net (lwollin) Date: Mon Dec 3 14:03:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Action Network References: Message-ID: <006e01c835df$2f4d8dd0$6401a8c0@DFL7B741> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed M Koziarski" To: "alumni chat" Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 11:54 AM Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Action Network To truly reverse its closure, Antioch College needs to begin acting like it?s open, and begin building on its vibrant academic foundation to grow into a healthy, self-sufficient institution. To make this happen, Antioch must immediately: * establish the College Advisory Board and invest it with real authority, including hiring a College President * remove internal barriers and begin recruiting and admitting new and transfer students for Fall 2008 * restore tenure and remove the threat of firing that hangs over faculty and staff * maintain all academic and support services during renovations * hold leadership accountable for past decisions and statements * ensure an open and participatory decision making process * guarantee a commitment from leadership to operate on principles of openness and honesty * have leaders committed to the turnaround of Antioch College * call for respect in communications from all university officials so the College?s already challenging task isn?t made more difficult If you support this message, please lend your name to the cause by signing on to this statement at http://acan.antiochians.org/. We will contact you in the coming weeks with an invitation to become involved with the Antioch College Action Network, an independent collective of students, faculty, staff, alumni, villagers and friends of the college. Your email address will be used to no other ends. Sincerely, the Antioch College Action Network From lucy.wollin at verizon.net Mon Dec 3 14:05:27 2007 From: lucy.wollin at verizon.net (lwollin) Date: Mon Dec 3 14:06:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Rod Sterling '57 References: <200712012048.lB1KmAq6034542@bach.incentre.net> Message-ID: <007501c835df$779ebcd0$6401a8c0@DFL7B741> I suppose you mean Rod Serling '50? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Ulrich" To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 3:47 PM Subject: [Alumni-chat] Rod Sterling '57 > There is an interesting article about Rod Sterling in the current > issue of UU World, as well as three links to > additional information about Rod. He was able to creatively use the > Twilight Zone format to deal with a number of > controversial social issues that would not have been acceptable to > the networks in a regular TV format. > > He did one program on the life of Horace Mann. It would be great to > find a video of that program. > > The article can be accessed from: > > http://www.uuworld.org/life/articles/50619.shtml > > > Carl Ulrich 59 > Edmonton, Alberta Canada > > From david.apter at yale.edu Mon Dec 3 15:09:37 2007 From: david.apter at yale.edu (David Apter) Date: Mon Dec 3 15:10:27 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Action Network In-Reply-To: <006e01c835df$2f4d8dd0$6401a8c0@DFL7B741> References: <006e01c835df$2f4d8dd0$6401a8c0@DFL7B741> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071203210905.0230bb28@yale.edu> I tried to sign on but am not sure it worked. David E. Apter At 02:03 PM 12/3/2007 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed M Koziarski" >To: "alumni chat" >Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 11:54 AM >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Action Network > > >To truly reverse its closure, Antioch College needs to begin acting like >it?s open, and begin building on its vibrant academic foundation to grow >into a healthy, self-sufficient institution. > >To make this happen, Antioch must immediately: > >* establish the College Advisory Board and invest it with real authority, >including hiring a College President >* remove internal barriers and begin recruiting and admitting new and >transfer students for Fall 2008 >* restore tenure and remove the threat of firing that hangs over faculty and >staff >* maintain all academic and support services during renovations >* hold leadership accountable for past decisions and statements >* ensure an open and participatory decision making process >* guarantee a commitment from leadership to operate on principles of >openness and honesty >* have leaders committed to the turnaround of Antioch College >* call for respect in communications from all university officials so the >College?s already challenging task isn?t made more difficult > >If you support this message, please lend your name to the cause by signing >on to this statement at http://acan.antiochians.org/. > >We will contact you in the coming weeks with an invitation to become >involved with the Antioch College Action Network, an independent collective >of students, faculty, staff, alumni, villagers and friends of the college. >Your email address will be used to no other ends. > >Sincerely, > >the Antioch College Action Network > > > >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From edk at homesickblues.com Mon Dec 3 15:36:21 2007 From: edk at homesickblues.com (Ed M Koziarski) Date: Mon Dec 3 15:36:49 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Action Network In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071203210905.0230bb28@yale.edu> Message-ID: You should receive a confirmation email at the address you provided at http://acan.antiochians.org When you receive the confirmation email, click on the link it contains or paste the link into your browser. Then your name should appear on the site. Thanks! Ed M. Koziarski on 12/3/07 2:09 PM, David Apter at david.apter@yale.edu wrote: > I tried to sign on but am not sure it worked. > > David E. Apter > > > At 02:03 PM 12/3/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed M Koziarski" >> >To: "alumni chat" >> >Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 11:54 AM >> >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Action Network >> > >> > >> >To truly reverse its closure, Antioch College needs to begin acting like >> >it?s open, and begin building on its vibrant academic foundation to grow >> >into a healthy, self-sufficient institution. >> > >> >To make this happen, Antioch must immediately: >> > >> >* establish the College Advisory Board and invest it with real authority, >> >including hiring a College President >> >* remove internal barriers and begin recruiting and admitting new and >> >transfer students for Fall 2008 >> >* restore tenure and remove the threat of firing that hangs over faculty and >> >staff >> >* maintain all academic and support services during renovations >> >* hold leadership accountable for past decisions and statements >> >* ensure an open and participatory decision making process >> >* guarantee a commitment from leadership to operate on principles of >> >openness and honesty >> >* have leaders committed to the turnaround of Antioch College >> >* call for respect in communications from all university officials so the >> >College?s already challenging task isn?t made more difficult >> > >> >If you support this message, please lend your name to the cause by signing >> >on to this statement at http://acan.antiochians.org/. >> > >> >We will contact you in the coming weeks with an invitation to become >> >involved with the Antioch College Action Network, an independent collective >> >of students, faculty, staff, alumni, villagers and friends of the college. >> >Your email address will be used to no other ends. >> > >> >Sincerely, >> > >> >the Antioch College Action Network >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Alumni-chat mailing list >> >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! -- From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Mon Dec 3 16:20:02 2007 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (YAZZ Allen) Date: Mon Dec 3 16:20:07 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Rod Serling, 1950, not 1957! In-Reply-To: <007501c835df$779ebcd0$6401a8c0@DFL7B741> References: <200712012048.lB1KmAq6034542@bach.incentre.net> <007501c835df$779ebcd0$6401a8c0@DFL7B741> Message-ID: Dec. 3, 07 Hi from Yazz '66! Yes, Rod Serling definitely finished and got his BA from Antioch in 1950, not 1957! He finished high school in Binghamton NY, served in the Army Air Force as a pilot during WWII, and entered Antioch after the war on the GI Bill. He married his girlfriend and the two had a trailor located on the present Antioch Inn parking lot. Antioch was filled with many married ex-GI's in the late 40's, attending Antioch on the GI Bill (Clifford Geerts '50, who became one of the world's most famous anthopologists was one of them...an undergrad along with Serling). By 1957, he was a famous Hollywood and national TV figure with PLAYHOUSE 90 drama script credits already his (e.g. PATTERNS and REQUIEM FOR A HEAVYWEIGHT), and THE TWILIGHT ZONE was soon to appear. His older brother, Robert Serling '43, also a writer, attended Antioch. He was famous for writing about aircraft and was a specialist in that field as well as a fiction writer. He wrote THE PRESIDENT'S PLANE IS MISSING and was based in Wash. DC. Rod Serling taught at Antioch during the Fall 1962 quarter, two courses. One was a writing course, and the other (which I took!) was MASS MEDIA: FILMS AND TELEVISION. Antiochian Walter "Bucky" Wanger Jr. '65 was also a student in that same class (there were about a dozen of us). Bucky was the son of Walter Wanger Sr., who produced STAGECOACH (1939) and ran all production at 20th Century Fox Studios for many years, and Joan Bennett, one of the most beautiful actresses in the Hollywood of her day. I knew Bucky well, but had no idea he was descended from Hollywood royalty during his time at Antioch. Serling stayed in touch students he taught at Antioch, and helped both Bucky Wanger and I in Hollywood when we were there in the early 1970's. By this time, Rod Serling had a show titled NIGHT GALLERY. He told me in 1970 most of his money came from doing TV commercials as a spokeperson for big corporations. Just like Ronald Reagan! But not exactly, I'm glad to say! Best, Yazz '66 --------------------- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or WWW.NYCasting.Com. > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:05:27 -0500> From: lucy.wollin@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Rod Sterling '57> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> > I suppose you mean Rod Serling '50?> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Ulrich" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 3:47 PM> Subject: [Alumni-chat] Rod Sterling '57> > > > There is an interesting article about Rod Sterling in the current > > issue of UU World, as well as three links to> > additional information about Rod. He was able to creatively use the > > Twilight Zone format to deal with a number of> > controversial social issues that would not have been acceptable to > > the networks in a regular TV format.> > > > He did one program on the life of Horace Mann. It would be great to > > find a video of that program.> > > > The article can be accessed from:> > > > http://www.uuworld.org/life/articles/50619.shtml> > > > > > Carl Ulrich 59> > Edmonton, Alberta Canada> > > >> > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 From jeschreier at yahoo.com Mon Dec 3 16:47:18 2007 From: jeschreier at yahoo.com (Jean Schreier) Date: Mon Dec 3 16:47:21 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 10, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20071202190343.5B8B162E0E8D@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <896807.47048.qm@web58914.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hi all, When I was at Antioch '65-'69 it seemed to me that many of the students were Quakers or had attended Quaker schools (particularly Germantown Friends in Philadelphia, as I recall) and that little chapel, as it is so quaintly referred to, I believe was primarily regarded as a Friends Meeting House. Al Denman, Professor Emeritus of Philosphy was the college chaplain. Since I know that Al is still participating, to some degree, in meetings regarding the college, I think he should be looked to as a potentially unique resource at this time. He is a warm and wonderful person and an extremely creative thinker (as many, if not all of you, probably know). He's been at the College throughout many administrations and perservered through thick and thin. If he is not already participating to the fullest extent of his ability and desire, he should be encouraged to do so, particularly with regard to reformatting of the curriculum around themes of comparative religion, cultural and societal differences and commonalities. During my last year at Antioch, Al and I organized a Peace Quarter which involved developing large scale multimedia offereings as well as symposia and seminars which were open to the broader Yellow Springs community as well as Antioch students. I believe this was the first, or one of the first, college offerings relating to Peace Studies in the U.S. Ultimately Paul Smoker, with whom I did grad work in Peace Research and Conflict Resolution in England in 1970, came to Antioch and held an endowed chair in Peace Studies (which I assume no longer exists). I do think that students attracted to Antioch throughout the years have been interested and involved in social justice issues, as well as spirituality (vs religion). I think that finding a way to distinguish Antioch from other colleges who have adopted many of its most innovative ideas is crucial if it is to survive. I myself also attended Antioch New England as a grad student from 1991 to 1993. While there, I used to say that I had gone to the "real" Antioch and that the grad school bore little resemblance to the college because it was so hierarchical and non-communally oriented (admittedly at a disadvantage in the latter department, since students in each program were only on "campus" one day a week -- a different day for each discipline). In speaking with faculty at the grad school since I graduated (and myself taught as a adjunct there) I was always aware of a tremendous amount of resentment that was held by at least that program toward the college (which was seen as sucking all the money from the satellites and granting tenure to college faculty and paying them higher wages than faculty at the satellites. Most of them knew very little about the college. Many had never been to Y.S. These days, as they hear of my concern that Antioch not be allowed to die, they challenge my commitment to an educational institution that, in their view, is no longer relevant in today's world, where "most colleges offer study abroad and work programs and often give evals. instead of grades woo students with the best of everything material including high tuition rebates (Williams etc.). When I tell them that I KNOW that there are still students out there who are looking for a more unconventional school which will challenge them to be all that they can be, to explore all that they are interested in ---wherever it may lead them --- and to "be ashamed to die until they have won some victory for humanity," they tell me , with a certain disdain, that I just don't understand what higher education is about today. Well, maybe I don't. Maybe all students today are looking for the school that will give them the quickest route to financial success... as well as an iphone and laptop for just enrolling! But I doubt it. When I was applying to college, no one at my guidance office and even some of my friends understood why I did not want to go to one of the seven sisters or, at the very least, Berkeley or U. of Chicago. Why did I want to go to Antioch? How had I heard about it anyway? (Well from a grad I met through the mother of a friend of mine who knew I was looking for something a bit different.) Well I knew why then and I can imagine that now there are some students who will want to go there, even as perhaps the ceilings over their heads are being repaired or repainted. It's just not all about the stuff . It never has been and I don't think it will be. I think the younger generations who demand that that there be more to their lives than 18 hour work days may be turning around and want to see what they can do to make sure that there are still roses to smell, should they chose to do so. Jean Schreier '69 P.S. Maybe the BOT should look into renting the unused campus of Northfield-Mt. Herman, a private school in Northfield MA, that outgrew it's original campus. I understand that it has been well maintained, although it is not used. The campus always reminds me of Antioch when I drive by. alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu wrote: Send Alumni-chat mailing list submissions to alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu You can reach the person managing the list at alumni-chat-owner@w3.antioch.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Alumni-chat digest..." Today's Topics: 1. I Can't Believe Antioch University is not Antioch College (Jude Logan Demers) 2. RE: I Can't Believe Antioch University is not Antioch College (YAZZ Allen) 3. Re: I Can't Believe Antioch University is not Antioch College (grinrose@aol.com) 4. RE: I Can't Believe Antioch University is not Antioch College (YAZZ Allen) 5. Regarding the UU and Antioch (Dawn Scribner) 6. Re: Regarding the UU and Antioch (Matthew Baya) 7. Antioch College Action Network (Ed M Koziarski) 8. Rod Sterling '57 (Carl Ulrich) 9. The Christians are Coming! The Christians are Coming! (TheBangaloreBlue) 10. Re: Antioch College Action Network (Robert Abrams) 11. The Christians are Coming? The Christians are Coming? I hope not! (YAZZ Allen) 12. Re: The Christians are Coming! The Christians are Coming! (Jonny) 13. Re: The Christians are Coming? The Christians are Coming? I hope not! (Jonny) 14. RE: Regarding the UU and Antioch (L Powsner) 15. Re: The Christians are Coming? The Christians are Coming? I hope not! (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) From: "Jude Logan Demers" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:49:03 -0500 Subject: [Alumni-chat] I Can't Believe Antioch University is not Antioch College New News about the New School in NYC My brother Max Demers is graduating in the nest few months with a BFA. We are all so proud of him that we have decided to write the Antioch College Alumni chatter box chat room of podcasts webcasts forums bullitins instant messaging you tube my space face book google it Yahoo I'm having so much fun looking at my Windows on my IBM lap top think pad Wi Fi You see what I'm getting at? THe world makes perfect sense now how about co-founding a college all of us Antioch College ALumni with our money from our Revival instead of dealing with the crooks let them steal their own money and get out of our bussiness With Love, Jude Logan Demers BA Antioch COllege nineteen ninety seven in the self designed combined double major of Performance Art and Cross Cultural Studies -- love, peace, joy, light, knowledge, wisdom, and understanding om shanthi hallelujah amen om shanthi hallelujah amen om shanthi hallelujah amen From: YAZZ Allen To: Alumni Chat List Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:52:40 -0500 Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] I Can't Believe Antioch University is not Antioch College Nov. 30, 07 Hi from Yazz Allen '66 (YazzAllen@yahoo.com)! Jude Logan Demers '77 is wonderful person with good ideas, whoever he or she is! How terrific to send an annoucement about her/his sibling finishing at The New School (For Social Research....for those in the know!). Also, how terrific to propose founding a new school, and leaving the old one to the crooks/raiders who continue to plunder without apologies! Antiochians who attended Antioch during the Bill Behrenbaum Antioch Presidency (like Jude '77) are not publicized enough, but every time I have contact with one, hear their good ideas, I'm always impressed! Behrenbaum had bad publicity, but I think he ran a good school during those "Dark Ages" years of 1976-84! What good people the kids of his era all seem to be! Best, Yazz '66 --------------------- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or WWW.NYCasting.Com. > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:49:03 -0500> From: judemers@gmail.com> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: [Alumni-chat] I Can't Believe Antioch University is not Antioch College> > New News about the New School in NYC> My brother Max Demers is graduating in the nest few months with a BFA. We> are all so proud of him that we have decided to write the Antioch College> Alumni chatter box chat room of podcasts webcasts forums bullitins instant> messaging you tube my space face book google it> Yahoo I'm having so much fun looking at my Windows on my IBM lap top think> pad Wi Fi> You see what I'm getting at?> THe world makes perfect sense now> how about co-founding a college all of us Antioch College ALumni with our> money from our Revival instead of dealing with the crooks let them steal> their own money and get out of our bussiness> With Love,> Jude Logan Demers BA Antioch COllege nineteen ninety seven in the self> designed combined double major of Performance Art and Cross Cultural Studies> > -- > love, peace, joy, light, knowledge, wisdom, and understanding> om shanthi hallelujah amen> om shanthi hallelujah amen> om shanthi hallelujah amen> _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 From: grinrose@aol.com To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:19:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] I Can't Believe Antioch University is not Antioch College Actually Jude is from the class of 1997.? He attended?during the presidencies of Guskin, Crowfoot,?and Devine.?? -megan '97 -----Original Message----- From: YAZZ Allen To: Alumni Chat List Sent: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 5:52 pm Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] I Can't Believe Antioch University is not Antioch College Nov. 30, 07 Hi from Yazz Allen '66 (YazzAllen@yahoo.com)! Jude Logan Demers '77 is wonderful person with good ideas, whoever he or she is! How terrific to send an annoucement about her/his sibling finishing at The New School (For Social Research....for those in the know!). Also, how terrific to propose founding a new school, and leaving the old one to the crooks/raiders who continue to plunder without apologies! Antiochians who attended Antioch during the Bill Behrenbaum Antioch Presidency (like Jude '77) are not publicized enough, but every time I have contact with one, hear their good ideas, I'm always impressed! Behrenbaum had bad publicity, but I think he ran a good school during those "Dark Ages" years of 1976-84! What good people the kids of his era all seem to be! Best, Yazz '66 --------------------- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or WWW.NYCasting.Com. > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:49:03 -0500> From: judemers@gmail.com> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: [Alumni-chat] I Can't Believe Antioch University is not Antioch College> > New News about the New School in NYC> My brother Max Demers is graduating in the nest few months with a BFA. We> are all so proud of him that we have decided to write the Antioch College> Alumni chatter box chat room of podcasts webcasts forums bullitins instant> messaging you tube my space face book google it> Yahoo I'm having so much fun looking at my Windows on my IBM lap top think> pad Wi Fi> You see what I'm getting at?> THe world makes perfect sense now> how about co-founding a college all of us Antioch College ALumni with our> money from our Revival instead of dealing with the crooks let them steal> their own money and get out of our bussiness> With Love,> Jude Logan Demers BA Antioch COllege nineteen ninety seven in the self> designed combined double major of Performance Art and Cross Cultural Studies> > -- > love, peace, joy, light, knowledge, wisdom, and understanding> om shanthi hallelujah amen> om shanthi hallelujah amen> om shanthi hallelujah amen> _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007_______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003 From: YAZZ Allen To: Alumni Chat List Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:53:34 -0500 Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] I Can't Believe Antioch University is not Antioch College Nov. 30, 07 Hi! Thanks for correcting my wrong announcement that Jude was from the class of '77! The words (not mumerals, which maybe were the problem) "ninety nine" were there in the message. I mis-read them, and apologize. Well..............he didn't study during the times of William Birenbaum, but...I thought his message was pretty good....anyway! Thanks again for the correction. I apologize for getting it wrong. Best, Yazz '66 --------------------- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or WWW.NYCasting.Com. > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] I Can't Believe Antioch University is not Antioch College> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:19:06 -0500> From: grinrose@aol.com> > Actually Jude is from the class of 1997.? He attended?during the presidencies of Guskin, Crowfoot,?and Devine.?? > > -megan '97> > > -----Original Message-----> From: YAZZ Allen > To: Alumni Chat List > Sent: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 5:52 pm> Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] I Can't Believe Antioch University is not Antioch College> > > > > Nov. 30, 07> > Hi from Yazz Allen '66 (YazzAllen@yahoo.com)!> > Jude Logan Demers '77 is wonderful person with good ideas, whoever he or she is!> > How terrific to send an annoucement about her/his sibling finishing at The New > School (For Social Research....for those in the know!).> > Also, how terrific to propose founding a new school, and leaving the old one to > the crooks/raiders who continue to plunder without apologies!> > Antiochians who attended Antioch during the Bill Behrenbaum Antioch Presidency > (like Jude '77) are not publicized enough, but every time I have contact with > one, hear their good ideas, I'm always impressed!> > Behrenbaum had bad publicity, but I think he ran a good school during those > "Dark Ages" years of 1976-84! What good people the kids of his era all seem to > be!> > Best,> Yazz '66> > ---------------------> Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to > 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone (717) 235 - > 1982!> > See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting WWW.IMDb.Com > (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also > WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or > WWW.NYCasting.Com. > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:49:03 -0500> From: > judemers@gmail.com> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: [Alumni-chat] I > Can't Believe Antioch University is not Antioch College> > New News about the > New School in NYC> My brother Max Demers is graduating in the nest few months > with a BFA. We> are all so proud of him that we have decided to write the > Antioch College> Alumni chatter box chat room of podcasts webcasts forums > bullitins instant> messaging you tube my space face book google it> Yahoo I'm > having so much fun looking at my Windows on my IBM lap top think> pad Wi Fi> You > see what I'm getting at?> THe world makes perfect sense now> how about > co-founding a college all of us Antioch College ALumni with our> money from our > Revival instead of dealing with the crooks let them steal> their own money and > get out of our bussiness> With Love,> Jude Logan Demers BA Antioch COllege > nineteen ninety seven in the self> designed combined double major of Performance > Art and Cross Cultural Studies> > -- > love, peace, joy, light, knowledge, > wisdom, and understanding> om shanthi hallelujah amen> om shanthi hallelujah > amen> om shanthi hallelujah amen> _______________________________________________> > Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today!> _________________________________________________________________> Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE!> http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007_______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today!> > > ________________________________________________________________________> More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003> _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate. Join in. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline From: Dawn Scribner To: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:28:56 -0800 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Regarding the UU and Antioch Richelle Russell, class of '8 (I think?) is a Unitarian minister and leading advocate for gay rights. She might be a good conduit for a connection with the church. From: Matthew Baya To: Alumni Chat List Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:40:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Regarding the UU and Antioch actually one real close connection is a current student, Julian Sharp, mentioned in his statement to the BOT at the August meeting that he had been on the Board of Trustees of the Unitarian Universalist Association (UUA) (which is the main organization for all UU chuches). Marshall Hawkins '92 is also a UU minister, and I suspect there are many others if we start shaking the UU/Antioch tree. I sense a Record/Antiochian article coming along here ;) And while I'm not sure about the coffee hour fundraising idea, if we can get Antioch admissions applications anywhere near UU teens that would be a great recruitment effort. Maybe Antioch could host a YRUU conference or sponsor some event that would attract UU youth. -Matt On Dec 1, 2007, at 2:28 AM, Dawn Scribner wrote: > > Richelle Russell, class of '8 (I think?) is a Unitarian minister and > leading > advocate for gay rights. She might be a good conduit for a > connection with > the church. > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From: Ed M Koziarski To: alumni chat Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:54:08 -0600 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Action Network To truly reverse its closure, Antioch College needs to begin acting like it?s open, and begin building on its vibrant academic foundation to grow into a healthy, self-sufficient institution. To make this happen, Antioch must immediately: * establish the College Advisory Board and invest it with real authority, including hiring a College President * remove internal barriers and begin recruiting and admitting new and transfer students for Fall 2008 * restore tenure and remove the threat of firing that hangs over faculty and staff * maintain all academic and support services during renovations * hold leadership accountable for past decisions and statements * ensure an open and participatory decision making process * guarantee a commitment from leadership to operate on principles of openness and honesty * have leaders committed to the turnaround of Antioch College * call for respect in communications from all university officials so the College?s already challenging task isn?t made more difficult If you support this message, please lend your name to the cause by signing on to this statement at http://acan.antiochians.org/. We will contact you in the coming weeks with an invitation to become involved with the Antioch College Action Network, an independent collective of students, faculty, staff, alumni, villagers and friends of the college. Your email address will be used to no other ends. Sincerely, the Antioch College Action Network From: Carl Ulrich To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:47:45 -0700 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Rod Sterling '57 There is an interesting article about Rod Sterling in the current issue of UU World, as well as three links to additional information about Rod. He was able to creatively use the Twilight Zone format to deal with a number of controversial social issues that would not have been acceptable to the networks in a regular TV format. He did one program on the life of Horace Mann. It would be great to find a video of that program. The article can be accessed from: http://www.uuworld.org/life/articles/50619.shtml Carl Ulrich 59 Edmonton, Alberta Canada From: TheBangaloreBlue To: Alumni Chat List Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:34:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming! The Christians are Coming! I think Antioch needs to re-establish it's connection to the progressive/liberal faith community, specifically Christian Churches. One currently exists, but I feel it is not intentional. I feel the strong -anti-religion atmosphere at Antioch is not healthy. I find it ironic, because most students at Antioch identify as being passionate about Social Justice, a term and idology created and implemented by the Roman Catholic Church. Dawn Scribner wrote: Richelle Russell, class of '8 (I think?) is a Unitarian minister and leading advocate for gay rights. She might be a good conduit for a connection with the Christian Church. _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. From: "Robert Abrams" To: Alumni Chat List Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:58:40 GMT Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Action Network To Ed Kozarski: I support your statement but cannot use the link supplied. AVE ATQUE VALE (Hail and farewell-the gladiator's salutation) -----Original Message----- From: Ed M Koziarski Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2007 11:54 AM To: alumni chat Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Action Network To truly reverse its closure, Antioch College needs to begin acting like it???s open, and begin building on its vibrant academic foundation to grow into a healthy, self-sufficient institution. To make this happen, Antioch must immediately: * establish the College Advisory Board and invest it with real authority, including hiring a College President * remove internal barriers and begin recruiting and admitting new and transfer students for Fall 2008 * restore tenure and remove the threat of firing that hangs over faculty and staff * maintain all academic and support services during renovations * hold leadership accountable for past decisions and statements * ensure an open and participatory decision making process * guarantee a commitment from leadership to operate on principles of openness and honesty * have leaders committed to the turnaround of Antioch College * call for respect in communications from all university officials so the College???s already challenging task isn???t made more difficult If you support this message, please lend your name to the cause by signing on to this statement at http://acan.antiochians.org/. We will contact you in the coming weeks with an invitation to become involved with the Antioch College Action Network, an independent collective of students, faculty, staff, alumni, villagers and friends of the college. Your email address will be used to no other ends. Sincerely, the Antioch College Action Network _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From: YAZZ Allen To: Alumni Chat List Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:06:28 -0500 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming? The Christians are Coming? I hope not! Hi from Yazz '66! I really disagree with the statement that strong anti-religion feelings at Antioch are not healthy. I think such feelings are very healthy. Religion, as Marx accurately stated, is the opiate of the people, or one of the opiates, anyway. Religion is substitute for logic and dependence on actual experience. It celebrates the "blessed are they that believe but haven't seen" thing, which is idiotic. It's based on real estate everywhere, and its a grim substitute for culture and progress, which religion when powerful always opposes. This history of religion speaks for itself. It's a shameful history. Antiochians who are not religious are intelligent, and I'm one of them! I'm glad Antiioch was never seriously religious. That speaks well for Antioch. I hope that tradition continues. Best, Yazz '66 --------------------- Contact "Yazz" (David) Allen directly via email at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com, mail to 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA USA 17361...Phone (717) 235 - 1982! See my pro movie actor photos and recent credits/resume by visiting WWW.IMDb.Com (world's largest movie info database, owned by Amazon.Com) IMDb RESUME. Also WWW.SAG.Org "IActor" file. Also WWW.CastingNetworks.Com and/or WWW.NYCasting.Com. > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:34:23 -0800> From: thebangaloreblue@yahoo.com> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> Subject: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming! The Christians are Coming!> > I think Antioch needs to re-establish it's connection to the progressive/liberal faith community, specifically Christian Churches. One currently exists, but I feel it is not intentional. > > I feel the strong -anti-religion atmosphere at Antioch is not healthy. I find it ironic, because most students at Antioch identify as being passionate about Social Justice, a term and idology created and implemented by the Roman Catholic Church. > > Dawn Scribner wrote:> > Richelle Russell, class of '8 (I think?) is a Unitarian minister and leading> advocate for gay rights. She might be a good conduit for a connection with> the Christian Church. > > > _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today!> > > > ---------------------------------> Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.> _______________________________________________> Alumni-chat mailing list> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat> Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 From: Jonny To: "Alumni Chat List" Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 23:13:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming! The Christians are Coming! On Dec 1, 2007 4:34 PM, TheBangaloreBlue wrote: > strong -anti-religion I'm pretty certain this was foundational to the teachings of (the historical) Jesus long before the church ever added 'establishment' to his teachings. I could cite passages but that would be a bit overwhelming for all of us, i think. > Social Justice, a term and idology created and implemented by the Roman > Catholic Church. I dunno about 'created', but they have implemented such programs, tis true. This tends to get overlooked when viewed next to mishaps like... um, the entire middle ages, really; so the catholic spin may not be as effective in this particular context. I would agree that christians and antioch do share more in common then they don't, though. But I'm not referring to the christian majority; only to the earliest christians, who shared everything in common and adopted a consensus based system of governance where men and women participated equally in decision making, according to recent research. In addition, they apparently took care of the ill and elderly among themselves, a practice that sets them apart from all but the wealthiest of urban dwelling populations at the time, where most understandably saw that as way too risky. Turns out they developed community resistances to many of the things that were killing large numbers of folks on a regular basis, and thus in having a higher rate of survival plus resisting allegiance to the empire became unlikely threats to it's union, at which point they were promptly co-opted by an appropriation committee during the reign of Emperor Constantine. As for the environment here: In my time I have not seen any indication that Antioch is anti-christian. Anti-religion, yes - very much so, but this completely agrees with the teachings of jesus. It is the re-branding of 'christian' that is the problem. The brand got hijacked, is all. Hmm. Remind anyone of anything? Contrary to popular opinion, one could argue the 'brand' got started much earlier then 1853. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try > it now. > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > -- Jonny Estes NEW TEL#: 6147980914 (till 10pm) AIM: sixy777 !=marketing Open source e-marketing | Data & web solutions e: jonny.no@gmail.com From: Jonny To: "Alumni Chat List" Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 00:00:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming? The Christians are Coming? I hope not! On Dec 1, 2007 9:06 PM, YAZZ Allen wrote: > > Hi from Yazz '66! > > I really disagree with the statement that strong anti-religion feelings at > Antioch are not healthy. > the term religion ends up getting mixed up with spirituality, though. > ...logic and dependence on actual experience. It celebrates the "blessed > are they that believe but haven't seen" thing, which is idiotic. I disagree completely. Western rational thought is equally if not more idiotic: For instance I'm not convinced that what I've not experienced isn't just as real as what I have, or that things outside of my ability to perceive them don't exist, thus I'm not convinced that my perception allows for an authentic subjective representation of any objective reality Plus, there is a also good chance our space-time continuum is merely a filter applied to our neurobiology to keep us from exploding. If that weren't enough: In a historical analysis, one finds that the whole notion that a series of logical functions acting upon authentic experiences and forming the basis for rational behavior is an idea cooked up by the same rich, white oppressors marx was going on about. And even more particularly, as an academic notion providing an analytical framework through which culture may be studied, it is sorely lacking and is rapidly being discarded by most folks born into the hyper-saturated media environment of the early 21st century in favor of more fluid and nuanced systems which take illogical, organic and non-linear factors into account. Throwing faith out with the bathwater (*) is a bad idea. It is a component of transcendental thought and a valid foundation for ideals that are crucial to human development, including universal human justice; and for some: character, personality and community. It is important that in our effort to expose and right the many wrongs religious systems have inflicted on humankind throughout history (and contemporarily) that we do not hurt more people in the process. Demonizing religion is appropriate to religion, in my opinion it is literally appropriate, actually. Spiritualism and spirituality, on the other hand are senses that have been ignored by most western disciplines but are no less valid then the classical five. As a practice they deserve respect and as a a set of phenomena they need more investigation, especially from the left. jonny (*) the bathwater is completely fetid, unbearable, i agree - and I share in your outrage. From: "L Powsner" CC: admissions@antioch-college.edu To: "'Alumni Chat List'" Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 11:54:33 -0500 Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Regarding the UU and Antioch Unitarian Universalist General Assembly is late June every year. Last year it was in Portland, OR and 5,697 attended including 303 youth (high school age). Antioch could get a table in the exhibit hall, but since it's primarily adult focused, it might be better to sponsor something for the youth. A meal would be very popular since those youth are super independent, often not attending with parents and not eating with them even if they are there. I know my son gets hungry at GA! * June 25-29, 2008 Ft. Lauderdale, FL * June 24-28, 2009 Salt Lake City, UT * June 23-27, 2010 Minneapolis, MN One of my son's classmates at our UU congregation is a student at Antioch now and another went a few years ago. I can't think of a more perfect recruitment zone than the UU community. I've always felt that the UU values with which I was raised were in synch with Antioch values. Laurie lrpjak@verizon.net -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Baya Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:41 AM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Regarding the UU and Antioch actually one real close connection is a current student, Julian Sharp, mentioned in his statement to the BOT at the August meeting that he had been on the Board of Trustees of the Unitarian Universalist Association (UUA) (which is the main organization for all UU chuches). Marshall Hawkins '92 is also a UU minister, and I suspect there are many others if we start shaking the UU/Antioch tree. I sense a Record/Antiochian article coming along here ;) And while I'm not sure about the coffee hour fundraising idea, if we can get Antioch admissions applications anywhere near UU teens that would be a great recruitment effort. Maybe Antioch could host a YRUU conference or sponsor some event that would attract UU youth. -Matt On Dec 1, 2007, at 2:28 AM, Dawn Scribner wrote: > > Richelle Russell, class of '8 (I think?) is a Unitarian minister and > leading > advocate for gay rights. She might be a good conduit for a > connection with > the church. > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From: Sonia Jaffe Robbins To: Alumni Chat List Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 13:59:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming? The Christians are Coming? I hope not! "Religion" is way too broad a term for this discussion; it's on a level with "politics" -- it's neither good nor bad in itself. "Religion" could be anything from the quasi-state of Vatican City and the property-owning Catholic Church to the megachurches of evangelical Protestantism, the long-established Protestant denominations, Judaism from Orthodox to Reconstructionist, Islam in all its various manifestations, Hinduism, and small groups of spiritually minded people who follow their own traditions they've made up themselves. I think it's pretty clear that established churches have, usually, attached themselves to wherever state power has been, but even this isn't absolute. Black churches were a locus for civil rights activity in the South, but even some white churches supported civil rights, and one friend of mine persuaded his Southern Baptist parents that racism was wrong by appealing to their religious beliefs. Yes, the Catholic Church supported the feudal antimodernism of fascist Spain, but liberation theology came out of Catholicism as well. The Catholic Church supported dissidents in Poland in the 1970s and '80s without requiring those they supported to be "believers," but once communism was gone, the Church immediately started demanding that the state support antiabortion laws, despite majority opinion supporting abortion rights. By the way, when I was at Antioch, there was a chapel in a little building across the street from the C-Shop, next door to Connor, a little house dorm (which I understand has been demolished), and the chaplain was named Howard Johnson. We used to say Antioch had religion in 31 flavors. (Now is that an age-related joke? How old does one have to be get that?) >On Dec 1, 2007 9:06 PM, YAZZ Allen wrote: > >> >> Hi from Yazz '66! >> >> I really disagree with the statement that strong anti-religion feelings at >> Antioch are not healthy. >> >On Dec 2, 2007, Jonny wrote: >the term religion ends up getting mixed up with spirituality, though. > -- Sonia Jaffe Robbins Antioch College, '60-'62, '64 sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting ******************* "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. From jmeltzer at vh.net Mon Dec 3 22:15:16 2007 From: jmeltzer at vh.net (Jan Meltzer) Date: Mon Dec 3 22:15:13 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 10, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <20071203214723.CF2B562E5323@w3.antioch.edu> References: <20071203214723.CF2B562E5323@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <4754C644.5010303@vh.net> Matt, I was married in Rockford Chapel in 1967. Al Denman was Chaplain then, and it was the Friends' Meeting house. A Humanist Counselor performed the ceremony and the wife of Connie Pelekoudas played harpsichord, which was carried over from the music dept. by friends. Jan Brown Meltzer '69 From mark at mekaminski.com Tue Dec 4 01:24:40 2007 From: mark at mekaminski.com (Mark Swanholm) Date: Tue Dec 4 01:24:49 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 10, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <4754C644.5010303@vh.net> References: <20071203214723.CF2B562E5323@w3.antioch.edu> <4754C644.5010303@vh.net> Message-ID: <88FF8902-AAE6-4F28-9EAC-EA4954649C89@mekaminski.com> Al of course is still around - Connie was there when Matt and I were students - despite the things that dont change too many have. Mark Sent from my iPhone On Dec 3, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Jan Meltzer wrote: > Matt, I was married in Rockford Chapel in 1967. Al Denman was > Chaplain then, and it was the Friends' Meeting house. A Humanist > Counselor performed the ceremony and the wife of Connie Pelekoudas > played harpsichord, which was carried over from the music dept. by > friends. > Jan Brown Meltzer '69 > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > From matt at baya.net Tue Dec 4 14:41:05 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:41:09 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Research query References: <010c01c83698$8a124080$6401a8c0@Megan1> Message-ID: <498304EE-4F1B-434D-B3E3-E6CE9CDA4DAB@baya.net> I am forwarding this on to some other lists on Megan's behalf. Be sure to send responses to her at rosenfeldm@verizon.net -Matt > From: "megan rosenfeld" > Date: December 4, 2007 12:09:25 PM EST > To: > Subject: Research query > Reply-To: dcantioch@googlegroups.com > > I would very much appreciate it if anyone who reads this would send > me a list of all the co-op jobs you had while you were at Antioch. > > This is not scientific, but it is research.Commentary is > permissible, but not necessary. (i.e. "this job changed my life," > or "I nearly died here," etc. > > You can send to me direct at rosenfeldm@verizon.net From judemers at gmail.com Tue Dec 4 15:25:09 2007 From: judemers at gmail.com (Jude Logan Demers) Date: Tue Dec 4 15:25:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni, Jude Logan Demers has invited you to open a Google mail account Message-ID: <20c4b6960712041225xe486b2n@mail.gmail.com> I've been using Gmail and thought you might like to try it out. 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Thanks, The Gmail Team (If clicking the URLs in this message does not work, copy and paste them into the address bar of your browser). From sjr5 at nyu.edu Tue Dec 4 20:50:27 2007 From: sjr5 at nyu.edu (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) Date: Tue Dec 4 20:56:21 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming? The Christians are Coming? I hope not! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That came to me this afternoon at lunch. My daughter told me last night that Baskin Robbins (no relation) was 31 flavors. >I think we are conflating Howard Johnson (28 flavors) with Baskin >Robbins (31 flavors). > >Daniel Spock >Director of Minnesota History Center Museum >345 Kellogg Blvd West >St. Paul, Minnesota 55102 >Tel: (651) 259-3050 >Fax: (651) 297-8224 >daniel.spock@mnhs.org > > >-----Original Message----- >From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >[mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu]On Behalf Of Sonia Jaffe >Robbins >Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 9:09 PM >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] The Christians are Coming? The Christians are >Coming? I hope not! > > >I think Connor was demolished longer ago than "recently." Connor was >right across the street from Normant. When I was last in Yellow >Springs, Connor was empty and its front porch was collapsing. I was >told it was going to be torn down very soon. > >>>By the way, when I was at Antioch, there was a chapel in a little >>>building across the street from the C-Shop, next door to Connor, a >>>little house dorm (which I understand has been demolished), >> >>The Rockford Chapel is still there and I believe the Yellow Springs >>Friends Meeting (quaker) meets there every week. The building that >>was recently demolished was the house across the street from it, >>Norment. >> >>>and the chaplain was named Howard Johnson. We used to say Antioch >>>had religion in 31 flavors. (Now is that an age-related joke? How >>>old does one have to be get that?) >> >>I'm 38 and I got it :) >> >>-Matt >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Alumni-chat mailing list >>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >>Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > > >-- >Sonia Jaffe Robbins >Antioch College, '60-'62, '64 >sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com >http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting > >******************* >"If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." >--Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! -- Sonia Jaffe Robbins Antioch College, '60-'62, '64 sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting ******************* "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels From duffy at antioch-college.edu Thu Dec 6 09:34:58 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Thu Dec 6 09:34:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: the solution to enrollment problems? Message-ID: Don't have time to tawk right now but thought folks might find this interesting...Duffy Happy start of Holiday madness will get back to all when the snow and dust clear. ----- Original Message ----- Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:36:50 PM Pulse From: Christine Smith Subject: the solution to enrollment problems? To: Pulse Today's NYT had a story about a college on the brink of closure, that is having increased enrollment as a result of a film about the school. Know any Hollywood filmmakers? http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/education/05wiley.html?em&ex=1197003600&en=cf8b1cca44cf3011&ei=5087%0A From jdavid at coldren.net Thu Dec 6 10:30:07 2007 From: jdavid at coldren.net (J. David Coldren) Date: Thu Dec 6 10:31:07 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: the solution to enrollment problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <032301c8381c$e5026bc0$af074340$@net> As a matter of fact, our own Richard Basch has floated a proposal for such a film. mailto:rb@richardbasch.com J. David Coldren '65 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Steven Duffy Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:35 AM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu; acalumboard@w3.antioch.edu Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: the solution to enrollment problems? Don't have time to tawk right now but thought folks might find this interesting...Duffy Happy start of Holiday madness will get back to all when the snow and dust clear. ----- Original Message ----- Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:36:50 PM Pulse From: Christine Smith Subject: the solution to enrollment problems? To: Pulse Today's NYT had a story about a college on the brink of closure, that is having increased enrollment as a result of a film about the school. Know any Hollywood filmmakers? http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/education/05wiley.html?em&ex=1197003600&en =cf8b1cca44cf3011&ei=5087%0A _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From rgrimes at antioch-college.edu Thu Dec 6 13:05:59 2007 From: rgrimes at antioch-college.edu (Risa Grimes) Date: Thu Dec 6 13:05:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [Alumni Board] Fwd: the solution to enrollment problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think Dave Chappelle could do one of his movies and highlight Antioch.... "Steven Duffy" writes: >Don't have time to tawk right now but thought folks might find this >interesting...Duffy >Happy start of Holiday madness will get back to all when the snow and >dust clear. >----- Original Message ----- > > Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:36:50 PM >Pulse >From: Christine Smith >Subject: the solution to enrollment problems? >To: Pulse > > Today's NYT had a story about a college on the brink of closure, that is >having increased enrollment as a result of a film about the school. Know >any Hollywood filmmakers? > >[ >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/education/05wiley.html?em&ex=1197003600&en=cf8b1cca44cf3011&ei=5087%0A >]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/education/05wiley.html?em&ex=1197003600&en=cf8b1cca44cf3011&ei=5087%0A > > _______________________________________________ >Acalumboard mailing list >Acalumboard@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/acalumboard From mbrower32 at comcast.net Thu Dec 6 13:23:48 2007 From: mbrower32 at comcast.net (Michael Brower) Date: Thu Dec 6 13:23:55 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [Alumni Board] Fwd: the solution to enrollment problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2443981E-DA2E-41FA-9EA8-E26E9A2B607A@comcast.net> John Korty '59 is a successful film maker with his own film company. Her is what our web site says of him: Antioch College Noteworthy Alumni John Korty ?59 is a director, producer, writer, and film animator. Korty has dozens of feature films, TV movies, and documentaries to his credit. ... www.antioch-college.edu/Alumni/noteworthy/ categorylist.php? category=Arts+%26+Letters - 38 I think some of his films have won prizes. And, he is a strong Antioch supporter. -- Mike Brower On Dec 6, 2007, at 1:05 PM, Risa Grimes wrote: > I think Dave Chappelle could do one of his movies and highlight > Antioch.... > > "Steven Duffy" writes: > Don't have time to tawk right now but thought folks might find this > interesting...Duffy > Happy start of Holiday madness will get back to all when the snow > and dust clear. > ----- Original Message ----- > > Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:36:50 PM > Pulse > From: Christine Smith > Subject: the solution to enrollment problems? > To: Pulse > > Today's NYT had a story about a college on the brink of closure, > that is having increased enrollment as a result of a film about the > school. Know any Hollywood filmmakers? > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/education/05wiley.html?em&ex=1197003600&en=cf8b1cca44cf3011&ei=5087%0A > > _______________________________________________ > Acalumboard mailing list > Acalumboard@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/acalumboard > > _______________________________________________ > Acalumboard mailing list > Acalumboard@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/acalumboard From pas0705 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 7 09:23:48 2007 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Fri Dec 7 09:23:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Record online Message-ID: <652732.35492.qm@web63902.mail.re1.yahoo.com> This weeks Record & the two front page stories are now online at: http://recordonline.org Excerpts of the two front page articles: --------------------------------------------- Students Pack Up, Donors Push Forward by Eva Erickson and Kim-Jenna Jurriaans Today the University Board of trustees is voting on a proposal put forward by the deep- pocket donors in support of an autonomous Antioch College. As the community awaits the outcome of the vote that is likely to determine the level of operations at the college in future months, community members try hard to adapt to campus life under continuing insecurity. A group of major donors, over the course of the last month, has taken a collective stance against the outcome of the October 25 summit between the University Trustees and the College Alumni Board, that outlines the future relations between the college and the university. After a preliminary meeting in New York City, last week Monday, donors and representatives of the Trustees met again on Sunday at a session of the Board?s governance committee in Dallas to discuss the donors? demands. Now the Trustees are voting as a full Board. -------------------- IT Continuing Problem for College Community by Alex Borowicz As the term exhales its final waking breaths into the snow-filled December air, students scramble to finish final papers and senior projects. Besides the late nights, slippery walkways, and myriad of distractions, Antioch students face one obstacle that has been plaguing the school for months: feeble internet speed that leaves all community members fighting for their own chunk of cyberspace. Not 10 years ago, before the heydays of file sharing, Antioch was the proud owner of a T1 connection that brought internet to students, staff, faculty, and administrators. T1 lines are capable of transmitting at speeds of 1.5 megabytes per second for both uploading and downloading. These days however, speeds have fallen to merely a fraction of their former rates. Even with the proliferation of the internet and its increased accessibility, Antioch College has been reduced to around half that speed, suggesting that perhaps the college is now being given only a partial T1 line. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From duffy at antioch-college.edu Fri Dec 7 09:27:04 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Fri Dec 7 09:26:50 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Article about Antioch and Finacial Exigency Message-ID: A student posted this internally but it is a good one to pass around. Last day of term here...snowy and students heading home. duffy Happy holidaze all. ----- Original Message ----- Thursday, December 06, 2007 6:17:34 PM Announcements From: Emma Emmerich Subject: Article about Antioch and Finacial Exigency To: Announcements This article is really important for all antiochians to read. About the state of the college. http://www.ysnews.com/stories/2007/12/120607_Antioch_idea.html From pas0705 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 7 09:37:32 2007 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Fri Dec 7 09:37:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Article about Antioch and Finacial Exigency In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <541436.77618.qm@web63907.mail.re1.yahoo.com> There are two other good things to read in this weeks YS news: ------------------------------------------- http://www.ysnews.com/stories/2007/12/120607_DonorsTrustees.html Donors, trustees negotiate on future of Antioch College As next week?s second financial benchmark nears for the Antioch College Alumni Board to turn over additional funds to Antioch University, major donors, university trustees, alumni board leaders and former trustees are continuing an intense discussion on the proposed governance for the college. The conversations took place last week in New York City and this week in Dallas, and according to a Dallas participant who wished to remain anonymous, ?no conclusions? have yet been reached. The board of trustees will further consider the donors? concerns around the governance issue in a conference call this Thursday, Dec. 6 --------------------------------- Editorial- Diane Chiddister http://www.ysnews.com/editorial/index.html Antioch College needs to keep its dedicated and talented faculty. It needs its current feisty and passionate students, and it needs to begin recruiting new students as well. These steps are clearly in the college?s best interest, and an empowered, independent board would have only the college?s best interest in mind. The last month has made clear that the college must have autonomy. The trustees took a bold step in November when they reversed their previous decision to close the college. Now they need to take a second bold step. They need to give the college they all love the empowerment it must have to prosper --- Steven Duffy wrote: > A student posted this internally but it is a good one to pass > around. > Last day of term here...snowy and students heading home. duffy > Happy holidaze all. > ----- Original Message ----- > > Thursday, December 06, 2007 6:17:34 PM > Announcements > From: Emma Emmerich > Subject: Article about Antioch and Finacial Exigency > To: Announcements > > This article is really important for all antiochians to read. > About the > state of the college. > > http://www.ysnews.com/stories/2007/12/120607_Antioch_idea.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From thanos at post.com Fri Dec 7 15:05:38 2007 From: thanos at post.com (thanos) Date: Fri Dec 7 15:05:41 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Article about Antioch and Finacial Exigency Message-ID: <20071207200539.1CBD710434@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Can someone please write a description of the BoT's position? What are the sticking points that keep these discussions going on and on? There are personality conflicts and distrust etc., but what is the substance of the problem? Happy holidays everyone. T -- 10 Great Gift Ideas- Take a Look! http://mail.shopping.com/?linkin_id=8033174 From duffy at antioch-college.edu Fri Dec 7 15:14:59 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Fri Dec 7 15:14:43 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Article about Antioch and Finacial Exigency In-Reply-To: <20071207200539.1CBD710434@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071207200539.1CBD710434@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Kali spera! Thanos!!! Duffy From thanos at post.com Fri Dec 7 15:28:12 2007 From: thanos at post.com (thanos) Date: Fri Dec 7 15:28:16 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Article about Antioch and Finacial Exigency Message-ID: <20071207202812.3166C1642AE@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Γιά σου ρε Ντάφυ! Greeklish: Gia sou re Ntafu! -- 10 Great Gift Ideas- Take a Look! http://mail.shopping.com/?linkin_id=8033174 From imabused at aol.com Fri Dec 7 19:07:12 2007 From: imabused at aol.com (imabused@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 7 19:10:22 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Article about Antioch and Finacial Exigency Message-ID: <8CA07456AB3E730-BB4-46DA@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> Thanos it's about saving face, avoiding lawsuits ... about?accumulation of power and money ...?and it's about using lies to distract the overly trusting stakeholders. How are the board members to explain their position? They will not be able to. Jane Slater Class of '80 ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003 From timothynoble at gmail.com Sat Dec 8 01:28:54 2007 From: timothynoble at gmail.com (Tim Noble) Date: Sat Dec 8 01:28:57 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the latest non-news and further admissions sabotage Message-ID: Careful observers will note that the link to the "common application" (which is necessary to apply to Antioch as a transfer student) was removed this afternoon from the admissions portion of the college website. Sources suggest that Lynda Sirk is directly responsible. Why has the means of applying has been deliberately removed from the page that announces we're accepting applications? Does anyone really believe that the University wants the college to succeed after the long list of insults we've had to endure during this period of "collaboration"? If this year ends without resignations by folks responsible for the grand disaster visited on Antioch, i won't be surprised. But, i will be disappointed. Tim Noble '02 Just posted on the official college site: http://www.antioch-college.edu/news/releases/index.php?id=203 Antioch News Release Date: December 7, 2007 Antioch University Board of Trustees Continues Collaboration Statement issued to faculty, staff and students Friday evening YELLOW SPRINGS, OHIO ? The University Board of Trustees met on Dec. 6th to continue its discussions about plans currently being developed in concert with alumni and donors to ensure Antioch College's financial stability and academic excellence. The Board is making significant progress in these deliberations, and will issue a further statement as soon as possible to communicate its progress more fully to the entire community. "The current state of our discussions is extremely encouraging," said Art Zucker, chairman of the University Board of Trustees. "I am optimistic that our diligent work will result in an agreement that will build on the unprecedented support of the entire Antioch family. In the interim, we ask that all parties remain patient as we work to secure the future of Antioch College." -- "In fact, it's an immense task to try to propose a few possibilities, in the plural?a few possibilities other than what we are told is possible. It is a matter of showing how the space of the possible is larger than the one assigned?that something else is possible,but not that everything is possible." ? Alain Badiou From thanos at post.com Sat Dec 8 14:27:35 2007 From: thanos at post.com (thanos) Date: Sat Dec 8 14:27:39 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Article about Antioch and Finacial Exigency Message-ID: <20071208192735.E5264478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> But the board members are explaining their positions very clearly to the AB and the deep-pocket alums. I recognize that some negotiations and certain kinds of persuasion have to be done in secrecy, but I've lost track of the sticking points these days & wonder what's going on. Clearly the BoT's backtracked from its original plans - is it really threatening to backtrack again? Or are governance issues tying everything in knots? Surely the BoT's standpoint isn't secret. Have I missed an article or something? >Thanos it's about saving face, avoiding lawsuits ... >about?accumulation of power and money ...?and it's >about using lies to distract the overly trusting >stakeholders. How are the board members to explain >their position? They will not be able to. Jane Slater Class of '80 -- 10 Great Gift Ideas- Take a Look! http://mail.shopping.com/?linkin_id=8033174 From sjr5 at nyu.edu Sat Dec 8 16:04:55 2007 From: sjr5 at nyu.edu (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) Date: Sat Dec 8 16:09:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [Alumni Board] Fwd: the solution to enrollment problems? In-Reply-To: <2443981E-DA2E-41FA-9EA8-E26E9A2B607A@comcast.net> References: <2443981E-DA2E-41FA-9EA8-E26E9A2B607A@comcast.net> Message-ID: Vicki Hochberg, '64, is also a filmmaker and director. Maybe these folks could get together? How long does it take to make a film? >John Korty '59 is a successful film maker with his own film company. > >Her is what our web site says of him: Antioch College Noteworthy Alumni >John Korty '59 is a director, producer, writer, and film animator. >Korty has dozens of feature films, TV movies, and documentaries to >his credit. ... >www.antioch-college.edu/Alumni/noteworthy/ >categorylist.php?category=Arts+%26+Letters - 38 > >I think some of his films have won prizes. And, he is a strong >Antioch supporter. > >-- Mike Brower > > >On Dec 6, 2007, at 1:05 PM, Risa Grimes wrote: > >>I think Dave Chappelle could do one of his movies and highlight Antioch.... >> >>"Steven Duffy" writes: >>Don't have time to tawk right now but thought folks might find this >>interesting...Duffy >>Happy start of Holiday madness will get back to all when the snow >>and dust clear. >>----- Original Message ----- >> >> Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:36:50 PM >>Pulse >>From: Christine Smith >>Subject: the solution to enrollment problems? >>To: Pulse >> >> Today's NYT had a story about a college on the brink of closure, >>that is having increased enrollment as a result of a film about the >>school. Know any Hollywood filmmakers? >> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/education/05wiley.html?em&ex=1197003600&en=cf8b1cca44cf3011&ei=5087%0A >> >> _______________________________________________ >>Acalumboard mailing list >>Acalumboard@w3.antioch.edu >>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/acalumboard >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Acalumboard mailing list >>Acalumboard@w3.antioch.edu >>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/acalumboard > >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! -- Sonia Jaffe Robbins Antioch College, '60-'62, '64 sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting ******************* "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels From timothynoble at gmail.com Sat Dec 8 16:33:04 2007 From: timothynoble at gmail.com (Tim Noble) Date: Sat Dec 8 16:33:08 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: the latest non-news and further admissions sabotage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Breaking news from the Record on another case of electronic identity theft, related to this application link disappearance: http://recordonline.org/2007/12/08/dude-where%e2%80%99s-my-application/ On Dec 8, 2007 1:28 AM, Tim Noble wrote: > Careful observers will note that the link to the "common application" > (which is necessary to apply to Antioch as a transfer student) was > removed this afternoon from the admissions portion of the college > website. Sources suggest that Lynda Sirk is directly responsible. > Why has the means of applying has been deliberately removed from the > page that announces we're accepting applications? Does anyone really > believe that the University wants the college to succeed after the > long list of insults we've had to endure during this period of > "collaboration"? If this year ends without resignations by folks > responsible for the grand disaster visited on Antioch, i won't be > surprised. But, i will be disappointed. > > Tim Noble '02 > > Just posted on the official college site: > http://www.antioch-college.edu/news/releases/index.php?id=203 > > Antioch News > Release Date: December 7, 2007 > Antioch University Board of Trustees Continues Collaboration > Statement issued to faculty, staff and students Friday evening > > YELLOW SPRINGS, OHIO ? The University Board of Trustees met on Dec. > 6th to continue its discussions about plans currently being developed > in concert with alumni and donors to ensure Antioch College's > financial stability and academic excellence. The Board is making > significant progress in these deliberations, and will issue a further > statement as soon as possible to communicate its progress more fully > to the entire community. > > "The current state of our discussions is extremely encouraging," said > Art Zucker, chairman of the University Board of Trustees. "I am > optimistic that our diligent work will result in an agreement that > will build on the unprecedented support of the entire Antioch family. > In the interim, we ask that all parties remain patient as we work to > secure the future of Antioch College." > > > -- > "In fact, it's an immense task to try to propose a few possibilities, > in the plural?a few possibilities other than what we are told is > possible. It is a matter of showing how the space of the possible is > larger than the one assigned?that something else is possible,but not > that everything is possible." ? Alain Badiou > -- "In fact, it's an immense task to try to propose a few possibilities, in the plural?a few possibilities other than what we are told is possible. It is a matter of showing how the space of the possible is larger than the one assigned?that something else is possible,but not that everything is possible." ? Alain Badiou From matt at baya.net Sat Dec 8 17:48:22 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Sat Dec 8 17:48:31 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: the latest non-news and further admissions sabotage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <047A6C40-0BFF-4583-999D-9B586DF634DE@baya.net> In response to the e-mails about Linda Sirk's using someone elses computer without their permission as detailed at http://recordonline.org/2007/12/08/dude-where%e2%80%99s-my-application/ I respond with: http://www.antioch-college.edu/Campus/academic/AC_Computing_Policy.pdf Some highlights: " It is never permitted to use another person?s computer authorization for any purpose or to provide your own authorization to another. It is never permitted to access someone else?s work without explicit permission. It is not permitted to engage in any activity that would harass others or impede their work. " So Linda Sirk just violated the Antioch College Computing Policy which is an ADCIL approved policy. Not to mention the Honor Code. What does it take to get someone fired or at least put on probation these days? or are admins untouchable these days and those pesky policies only apply to students? Can someone get this info to someone on ADCIL to raise it as an agenda item? -Matt On Dec 8, 2007, at 4:33 PM, Tim Noble wrote: > Breaking news from the Record on another case of electronic identity > theft, related to this application link disappearance: > http://recordonline.org/2007/12/08/dude-where%e2%80%99s-my- > application/ > > > > > On Dec 8, 2007 1:28 AM, Tim Noble wrote: >> Careful observers will note that the link to the "common application" >> (which is necessary to apply to Antioch as a transfer student) was >> removed this afternoon from the admissions portion of the college >> website. Sources suggest that Lynda Sirk is directly responsible. >> Why has the means of applying has been deliberately removed from the >> page that announces we're accepting applications? Does anyone really >> believe that the University wants the college to succeed after the >> long list of insults we've had to endure during this period of >> "collaboration"? If this year ends without resignations by folks >> responsible for the grand disaster visited on Antioch, i won't be >> surprised. But, i will be disappointed. >> >> Tim Noble '02 >> >> Just posted on the official college site: >> http://www.antioch-college.edu/news/releases/index.php?id=203 >> >> Antioch News >> Release Date: December 7, 2007 >> Antioch University Board of Trustees Continues Collaboration >> Statement issued to faculty, staff and students Friday evening >> >> YELLOW SPRINGS, OHIO ? The University Board of Trustees met on Dec. >> 6th to continue its discussions about plans currently being developed >> in concert with alumni and donors to ensure Antioch College's >> financial stability and academic excellence. The Board is making >> significant progress in these deliberations, and will issue a further >> statement as soon as possible to communicate its progress more fully >> to the entire community. >> >> "The current state of our discussions is extremely encouraging," said >> Art Zucker, chairman of the University Board of Trustees. "I am >> optimistic that our diligent work will result in an agreement that >> will build on the unprecedented support of the entire Antioch family. >> In the interim, we ask that all parties remain patient as we work to >> secure the future of Antioch College." >> >> >> -- >> "In fact, it's an immense task to try to propose a few possibilities, >> in the plural?a few possibilities other than what we are