From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 00:21:14 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Jane Slater (imabused@aol.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 00:34:19 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 Message-ID: <19e442c970b8ed7f1ffdf109c7b79840@antiochians.org> Reprinted from AntiRecord article dated 7.28.07: Legal Fund Needs To Be Set Up By "Key Stakeholders"...Presently (July 28, 07) NO Legal Fund Is Set Up/ Advocated By Alumni Assn. Sat, 2007-07-28 10:00 ? David Allen Hello from Yazz Allen '66! (Contact me directly at YazzAllen@Yahoo.Com) The Antioch College Alumni Assn. which claims to "be the voice" of Antioch alumni opposing the Antioch College closedown decision has NOT set up a legal fund, nor advocated legal action in any public policy or fund raising statement it has issued, in spite of the fact key AU BOT voices state the closedown decision will NOT be reversed voluntarily by the AU BOT. The only legal fund set up to oppose the Antioch University Board Of Trustees closedown decision mandating Antioch College, Ohio, be closed down in July 2008, is the fund set up by the faculty group opposing the closedown. The Antioch College Alumni Association has taken NO steps to set up a legal fund, nor do any of the several boilerplate statements it issues on mainstream Antioch interest media sites, including WWW.Antiochians.Org, include even slight reference to the need for legal action and the funding of legal action as a means for keeping the College open without interuption past July 2008. No money at all gathered for the "Antioch Revival Fund" is earmarked or mandated for legal action or expenses. Meanwhile, the Antioch University Board Of Trustees Chairman and also the AU Vice-Chancellor have issued separate, recent public statements asserting firmly that the decision to close down Antioch College in July 2008 will NOT be reversed. The need for legal action is clear. A good four part legal strategy has been proposed (Injunction, Receivership, Resignations, Restructuring), but it has to be paid for. What are GROUNDS for injunctions? What is the legal history of this potential weapon which might keep Antioch College open without interuption? What are precedents and successs stories of those who have tried it, and got approval for injunctions? Where have injuctions been used to stop higher education Boards of Trustees (as was the recent case with Adelphi University in New York)? Preparation and action....legal action....will cost money. The so-called "mainstream voice of opposition to the Antioch U. BOT closedown of Antioch College" is currently the Antioch College Alumni Association. The highest profile, most publicized Antioch College interest/watchdog website is WWW.Antiochians.Org which supporters of the effort to keep Antioch College open without interuption are exhorted to visit often. Yet............NOT A SINGLE WORD about legal action appears in boilerplate or policiy statements from the Antioch College Alumni Association when people seek to know "what they can do" to keep Antioch College open without interuption. NO LEGAL FUND has been set up separate from the self-interested and narrowly defined Antioch College faculty interest legal fund, primarily concerned with continuing employment for a small number of teachers at Antioch College (the faulty losing jobs at Antioch College may reach a separate, limited agreement with the Antioch U. BOT and cease and/or limit legal efforts to stop the closedown...a SEPARATE Legal Fund is needed from that set up by the faculty to benefit themselves...Antioch alumni should sympathize with and support Antioch College faculty, but should NOT depend on faculty legal efforts to keep the college open, because these efforts may be narrowly focussed to benefit the faculty only). Legal action will not and cannot take place unless it is funded, and unless already raised money to save Antioch College is diverted in large amounts to meet legal expense needs. The "powers that be" running the Antioch U. BOT care nothing about the current fund raising efforts, which they obviously plan to dismiss and refuse, just as the Antioch Independence Fund money was dismissed and refused years ago. The Fund Raising Effort back than came to nothing. That will happen again UNLESS funds are diverted and raised for legal action, and a separate legal fund is set up. This must be done. There is an unmet need for discussion about how to do it, and also for emphatic, repeated statements of the need for legal funding sponsored by the Antioch Alumni Association and other "key stateholders" who claim to be the majority voice of those who seek Antioch College remain open without interuption. Anyone who truly cares for Antioch College willl support and advance the need for legal funding and action to oppose a decision Antioch U. BOT leaders stated they will not reverse....unless the AU BOT is forced to....legally. Bookmark/Search this post with: * Delicious * Reddit * Magnoliacom * Newsvine * Furl * Google * Yahoo * Technorati * Icerocket * Out Side the Bubble * Alumni * Alumni Assn. leaders * Antioch Alumni Assn. * Antiochians.Org * keep Antioch open * Legal fund * Add new comment * Flag as offensive * flag this Comments Comment viewing options Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes. Sun, 2007-07-29 18:36 ? David Allen New Should Effort To Engage In Legal Action/ Raise Legal Funds Wait? July 29, 07 Ellen Borgeren '72 emailed me the following messages regarding the subject of legal funding and legal action to oppose the Antioch University Board Of Trustees' closedown decision, set to shut down Antioch College next July 2008. I replied to both, and wish to share the exchanged messages with others visiting the WWW.AntiRecord.Org website: ----------- July 29, 2007 >From Ellen Borgersen '72 To Yazz Allen '66 Dear Yazz, The College Revival Fund does not need an earmarked fund to pay for legal services when the time comes for that. The Legal Team is considering all legal options open to the Alumni/ae Association and to individual alums. We are making inquiries and may retain outside counsel. The consensus on the Exec C'tee is that we should hold off on filing suit at least until after the August 25-26 UBoT meeting in Cincinnati. In the meantime, we are getting as much info out of Art Zucker and College files as we can during this period of "constructive cooperation." Yours in struggle, Ellen Borgersen, '72 ------------------------- July 29, 07 Hi Ellen '72! Thank you for your communication. I'm grateful for your message and the clarification it contained. As I've written in some detail on the WWW.AntiRecord.Org Antioch College interest / watchdog website (est. 1998..the oldest one), both Mr. Zucker '55, Chairman of the AU BOT and also Mrs. LaPierre, Vice Chancellor of Antioch U. (HQed in Seattle WA USA) have stated recently in writing that reversal of the July 2008 closedown decision will not occur, is not an option the BOT and top AU leadership will consider. Only legal action will force a change in these firmly and repeatedly stated decisions. The Aug. 25 meeting is being framed by Mr. Zucker '55 (in his recent "Letter To The Community" communication) as a further opportunity for the BOT to explain (and by implication sell) its closedown decision, and justify it. Negotiation or compromise is not planned or offered. It is well to remember that the July 2008 closedown date is the end of a process ALREADY BEGUN, already in motion. Great damage has already been done. The Antioch U. BOT used "Pearl Harbor" tactics in unleashing its exceedingly damaging decision to close down Antioch College completely by July 2008. No advance notice or warning. This was as intentional as it was (and is) reprehensible. The BOT has a clear closedown agenda, and rightly realizes that the more time passes, the less likely the decision will be challenged effectively or changed. They are playing for time. They realize the initial surge of opposition to the closedown decision will lose momentum and power the more time drags one. They are glad of this. Respectfully, I would assert it's time to get our ducks lined up NOW, and that means legal research and other legal work to consider scenarios which can be used (and shouldn't be used) in the near future. Waiting another month until Aug. 25 plays into the hands of factions committed to closing Antioch College down in July 2008 completely. The time to commit to legal action and start legal planning (and pay for it) is now. Mr. Zucker's June 22, 07 speech in Ohio was emphatically legalistic and this was not accidental. He had done his legal homework, probably with paid counsel, and was showing that fact off. He expected and expects to be challenged legally, and for good reason. He and the Antioch U. BOT are legally vulnerable. Mr. Zucker and his minions moving to close Antioch College down have not been accommodating or flexible. They are not "nice guys," and should not be treated as if they were. Their behavior and tactics leading into the June 2007 crisis have been rough, and they should be treated the way they have treated those of us who are stakeholders part of the worldwide community of Antiochians. Time is critical. No progress at all in obtaining the smallest evidence a reversal of the July 2008 closedown decision has been made. None. Money raising not connected with or dedicated to legal action means nothing to the Antioch U. BOT and will be treated with the same contempt and dismissal the Antioch Independence Fund was treated not so long ago by the Antioch U. BOT. Immediate commitment to legal action fund raising, public exhortations for legal funding contributions, and also immediate expenditure of funds to inquire into legal action strategy and tactics must commence......now. Not a month from now. Resspectfully, and in solidarity, Yazz Allen '66 ------------------------------- July 29, 07 >From Ellen Borgersen '72 to Yazz Allen '66 Yazz, We know they're playing us for time, have no intention of negotiating with us, and think we are stupid and will tire and go away. I personally cannot wait to see the looks on their faces when they realize they are facing a juggernaut. Which they are. Regards, Ellen --------------------------------------- July 29, 07 Hi Ellen! Thanks for your speedy reply to my earlier email message to you. I dunno. The bad guys don't seem scared, from what I can see. If they are, I'd like to see or learn of evidence that's true. They are a bunch of cool customers and strategists, and they have friends and supporters who will claim to be "key stakeholders" part of the Antioch Alumni Community. John Feinberg '70, outgoing Antioch Alumni Assn. chairman and moderator of the June 22, 07 Antioch Reunion Closedown Speech meeting is clearly in their pocket, and I think it's likely others on the Alumni Assn. board also are. I would guess Mr. Zucker '55 and his close allies take heart in what they see on the Antioch College alumni chatline and the WWW.Antiochians.Org site......not a single thing which threatens them or their wrong decision to close down Antioch College in July 2008, as announced. I hope I'm wrong, but at present, I'm not optimistic about where things are going presently. The bad guys seem to me to be winning. Best, and always in solidarity, Yazz '66 From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 00:30:35 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 00:43:40 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <19e442c970b8ed7f1ffdf109c7b79840@antiochians.org> Message-ID: <2499c406805bc783662ba4e696e91290@antiochians.org> >NO LEGAL FUND has been set up separate from the self-interested and narrowly defined Antioch College faculty interest legal fund, primarily concerned with continuing employment for a small number of teachers at Antioch College (the faulty losing jobs at Antioch College may reach a separate, limited agreement with the Antioch U. BOT and cease and/or limit legal efforts to stop the closedown... Well, that part right there is baseless, biased and bullshit. Wonder if Yazz can support that statement even a little bit? Alan Benard From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 00:40:40 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Matthew Baya (matt@baya.net)) Date: Wed Aug 1 00:53:44 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <2499c406805bc783662ba4e696e91290@antiochians.org> Message-ID: For the Record - "Yazz Allen"is different than '"Yazz Atlas". This gets doubly confusing since the website, http://antirecord.org, that is referenced in this post is one run by Yazz Atlas but consists of many posts from "Yazz Allen". Just thought I'd point this out so you can point your questions to the appropriate Yazz. From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 00:46:00 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 00:59:05 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1d4adcc454359011049175dd873be129@antiochians.org> >Just thought I'd point this out so you can point your questions to the appropriate Yazz. Edited for the board's sake and questions put directly to Mr. Allen at antirecord. -A- From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 00:49:22 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (bdevine (bdevine@antioch-college.edu)) Date: Wed Aug 1 01:02:26 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <19e442c970b8ed7f1ffdf109c7b79840@antiochians.org> Message-ID: <2ed5ac5a711486299edd31cf070b7f61@www.antiochians.org> NO LEGAL FUND has been set up separate from the self-interested and narrowly defined Antioch College faculty interest legal fund, primarily concerned with continuing employment for a small number of teachers at Antioch College (the faulty losing jobs at Antioch College may reach a separate, limited agreement with the Antioch U. BOT and cease and/or limit legal efforts to stop the closedown...a SEPARATE Legal Fund is needed from that set up by the faculty to benefit themselves...Antioch alumni should sympathize with and support Antioch College faculty, but should NOT depend on faculty legal efforts to keep the college open, because these efforts may be narrowly focussed to benefit the faculty only). Yazz, Such a narrow focus is not at all what the faculty is up to. The faculty is seeking legal avenues to stop the closing of the College. Bob From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 00:56:42 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Matthew Baya (matt@baya.net)) Date: Wed Aug 1 01:09:46 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <2499c406805bc783662ba4e696e91290@antiochians.org> Message-ID: The thing that bugs me about this post is that 'Yazz' Allen is posting the contents of private e-mails between him and Ellen B. to a public forum (in his case he was posting them on antirecord.org but someone copied his entire post over here). It's common netiquette to not do this without permission or at least informing the author that you intend to do this. If I were Ellen I wouldn't respond to 'Yazz' via e-mail at all, or at least just assume that he's going to put publishing what you write so just include the bare minimum, he doesn't deserve the time and respect of a personal reply since he clearly doesn't respect the author's rights. My 2 cents -Matt '92 From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 01:06:44 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 01:19:49 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >The thing that bugs me about this post is that 'Yazz' Allen is posting the contents of private e-mails between him and Ellen B. to a public forum (in his case he was posting them on antirecord.org but someone copied his entire post over here). It's common netiquette to not do this without permission or at least informing the author that you intend to do this. If I were Ellen I wouldn't respond to 'Yazz' via e-mail at all, or at least just assume that he's going to put publishing what you write so just include the bare minimum, he doesn't deserve the time and respect of a personal reply since he clearly doesn't respect the author's rights. > >My 2 cents > > >-Matt '92 As I have pointed out, reproducing someone's private correspondence to you without the author's permission is a felony in California, where celebrities seem to have to worry about the intellectual property rights they have to thank-you notes and letters to grandma. But it is impolite at the least, as I have pointed out before. Alan From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 04:45:47 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (PJ (planetjunque@sbcglobal.net)) Date: Wed Aug 1 04:59:00 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] All Your Campus Are Belong To Us In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <72f86f71ca8f8812dce84774ae109928@antiochians.org> Katherine Anne Stansbury, in her post about corporate raids, also had these: Katherine Anne Stansbury in her post about corporate raid: At the Q & A at the Antioch Reunion, two weeks after the announcement, Toni Murdock stated that she has ?been in conversation with companies that ?allow? colleges to ?leverage the assets and the resources that they have; most of that is in the area of land,? and that she?d been contacted by 5 developers since the announcement.
 'The Gateway Report, commissioned by the University Leadership Council to justify the closure of the College, states on page two:

?As a result of this analysis, Central Administration is considering having the College declare financial exigency this summer, and suspending operations at the end of the next school year. They would then investigate opportunities for the College to evolve into a financially viable operation. This investigation would include the possibility of developing an urban village concept at the current site of the Antioch College campus which would in turn form the basis for a new educational enterprise.?

and on page six:

?During the period of suspension management would have the opportunity to develop new entrepreneurial approaches to providing an Antioch College experience. For example, a developer might emerge with the concept of developing a new urban village on the Antioch College site. A new higher education institution, a ?reinvented Antioch? could be the center point of such a new town development.?
 'A Summary Of The Recommendations By University Leadership For The Suspension and Re-opening Of Antioch College states on page one:

?This is a vision to create a lifelong learning center where graduates and professionals can come to enhance their careers and lives. This will require non-profit private partnerships and might include the following: increased density of the current campus and opening up remaining areas to build affordable faculty and retiree housing...?
 
 From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Aug 1 10:01:47 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Aug 1 10:14:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Seattle Chapter? In-Reply-To: <618747.539.qm@web59110.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <618747.539.qm@web59110.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There is a great group of folks in seattle. Two alumni board members as well who are true treasures. Try contacting Bradley Wilburn '84 wilburn22701@earthlink.net or Tim Klass '71 tdklass@hotmail.com Duffy Seattle is beautiful...Antioch Seattle is in Belltown near the space needle is okay From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Aug 1 10:03:10 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Aug 1 10:15:58 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Lawry leaving in January In-Reply-To: <2546b63480f555dcf586566d3fa76b69@antiochians.org> References: <2546b63480f555dcf586566d3fa76b69@antiochians.org> Message-ID: Ah John Hevelin...here is some Antioch memorabilia connected to your Night of the Living Dead. The hero in the movie..Duane Jones...was an Antioch Theater professor here in the mid seventies. Duffy From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Aug 1 10:14:17 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Aug 1 10:27:06 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <2499c406805bc783662ba4e696e91290@antiochians.org> References: <2499c406805bc783662ba4e696e91290@antiochians.org> Message-ID: Yazz CUdd...how can you write all that you do and how you do when you are really fairly far removed? This is third hand back seat driving and Tuesday quarterbacking ... To use in the word self-interest seems inflammatory and not helpful. The most common thread among many of our groups is that the College is like a critical patient....and is on the table......may need some transplants or some amputation...everything folks are trying is to keep the patient from being lowered into the ground... especially while it is still breathing...and it s irregular heart is still beating. If you can't be a little less negatively opionated we are all gonna just tune you out. I would suggest a rewrite...you CAN do better than that. Cmon now....that is insensitive and over opinionated...you destroy your own credibility Duffy From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 10:20:47 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Jane Slater (imabused@aol.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 10:33:58 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yazz Allen has been allowing me to repost his articles from the Antirecord here, so I didn't realize there was a problem, I apologize. I'll remove the post if you all would like. Please let me know and I will do so. That's great the faculty legal fund has a broad focus, Bob, I'm glad of it. In fact, I donated to it and plan to do so again. Here's the thing. No one has responded to the focus of Yazz's article. Do people here feel the Alumni Board has a strong plan? Do you feel they understand the needs for a strong and timely action? Do you feel they are being inclusive? What about transparent? Again I repeat my call for a coordinator. And I continue to see that the loudest and most aggressive voices are choosing our course. With the amazing group of alumni that we have, and with our background in process and collaborative approaches, this is a disappointment to me. A paid coordinator to elicit ideas, collaboration, have a model of transparency in our joint effort, and a voiced respect and appreciation for even those whose ideas are poor or ignorant... this is critical to our success. Jane Slater Ashland, OR Class of '80 From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Aug 1 10:43:34 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Aug 1 10:56:23 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello there Jane Slater... have you talked with Nancy Crow or Ina Frank the prez and vice prez of alumni board? here are their emails ncrow@penberg.com and inafrank@adelphia.net if you don't hear from them right away they are probably crazy busy. Duffy From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 11:23:13 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (ChristianF (christian.feuerstein@gmail.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 11:36:24 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A couple of things. Jane, you should probably take down the private correspondence until you've gotten Ellen's OK to leave it up. This is just my opinion, but that's what I'd do. Secondly, folks: the committees are posting their notes, we are updating on the page if not the forum, we have the new forum of "Ask an Alumni Board Member," and everyone on the Alumni Board is swamped with at least 500+ emails a day. I can only imagine what the Exec. Committee gets--prob. 1000+ a day. As for legal, the FAQ that went up says: Q: What's going on with possible legal action taken by the Alumni Board? A: The College Revival Fund does not need an earmarked fund to pay for legal services when the time comes for that. The Legal Team is considering all legal options open to the Alumni/ae Association and to individual alums. We are making inquiries and may retain outside counsel. Also Athena posted in the forum "July Updates from the Alumni Board." Of note: I know that lots of alums, not just AB members, are working within the committees to try and channel their expertise. There's a lot of work to do. Perhaps, in order to free up more AB time to answer questions, queries and fend off outright trolls, people could volunteer their expertise to these committees. There are contacts and lists on the sidebar at www.antiochians.org. --Christian '94 Alumni Board Member From matt at baya.net Wed Aug 1 11:41:04 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Wed Aug 1 11:48:25 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:20 AM, Jane Slater (imabused@aol.com) wrote: > Yazz Allen has been allowing me to repost his articles from the > Antirecord here, so I didn't realize there was a problem, I > apologize. I'll remove the post if you all would like. Please let > me know and I will do so. Reposting his article isn't a problem per se though if he's not here reading the comments then it's rather annoying that he gets to remotely drop these bombs and then not hear our responses. I would suggest that, with Yazz's permission, you remove the parts of his post where he posted Ellen's e-mail (or he should at least get her permission to post them). I also think that if he wants to post here he should come do it himself, and be ready to read the responses to his assumptions. I know I'm going to regret saying that since in the past he'd driven me nuts with his posts. To be honest, I put Yazz (again Yazz Allen, not Atlas) on my spam filter back in the previous incarnation of Alumni chat because he would post assumptions and provocative statements and then repeat those same things even after being presented with data to show his logic & facts were flawed. > That's great the faculty legal fund has a broad focus, Bob, I'm > glad of it. In fact, I donated to it and plan to do so again. > > Here's the thing. No one has responded to the focus of Yazz's article. This has been discussed in other forums in a much more productive manner than Yazz's sledgehammer approach above and if he had been reading (as in reading the words and actually thinking about their contents instead of selectively picking out pieces that reflected his assumptions) the forums he would have known these answers. The alumni board is doing the best they can to adjust to the circumstances, this is a crazy time and everyone is busy with real life not to mention a dozen Antioch related projects. > Do people here feel the Alumni Board has a strong plan? I happen to know they do have a very nice plan, but I don't know when it's going to be released to the public for feedback. I think they are trying to get the rough edges smoothed out before they seek input. If you want to know more, trying talking with them directly, they are good folks. You might want to mention that you AREN'T going to post their e-mails to a public forum since frankly, after Yazz's disrespectful actions in his post, I'd be surprised if they say more than 'suggestion noted and logged' to anyone outside people they know and trust. > Do you feel they understand the needs for a strong and timely action? Yes, I think they are quite clear about the timeline involved. Any conversation with them makes this very apparent. > Do you feel they are being inclusive? I personally think they could do better but I know they are trying very hard. Also my opinion on how to communicate and deal with a crisis like this isn't based on any direct experience or theory so it's quite possibly off in left field (most of my opinions are :) ) If you look around in various forums and the website you'll see they've been posting notes, responses to questions, and have been emailing folks all over the place. I realize some of the need for privacy here since we are 'negotiating' with a very powerful entity that has their own agenda & plans, as well as deep pockets for marketing campaigns and lawyers. > What about transparent? Again I agree I wish things were more transparent too. I also realize that those involved are really doing their best and we're all on the same side here. > Again I repeat my call for a coordinator. And I continue to see > that the loudest and most aggressive voices are choosing our > course. With the amazing group of alumni that we have, and with our > background in process and collaborative approaches, this is a > disappointment to me. > > A paid coordinator to elicit ideas, collaboration, have a model of > transparency in our joint effort, and a voiced respect and > appreciation for even those whose ideas are poor or ignorant... > this is critical to our success. \ I agree on this point too. I think having someone just to keep the information flowing to the right people and coordinating efforts is important. Not someone in charge, just a 'Traffic Manager' per se. I know I'm getting burnt out on things and I suspect I'm not alone. I think part of the problem here is there are so many of us on so many fronts that it's hard to know what others are doing or where our efforts would be best placed. -Matt From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 11:52:35 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (erik (36invisible@gmail.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 12:05:46 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Lawry leaving in January In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <457820ccf5050b0c6f8410bc0a4863b2@antiochians.org> >oh... and that car had tried to run me down... I somesaulted to there. Now I have the Six Million Dollar Man sound stuck in my head. Thanks for that. e ps. It's really too bad we can't see the look on that driver's face. Tell your camera man to do better next time! ;) From sjr5 at nyu.edu Wed Aug 1 11:52:16 2007 From: sjr5 at nyu.edu (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) Date: Wed Aug 1 12:06:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] San Diego alums? In-Reply-To: References: <618747.539.qm@web59110.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm going to be in San Diego for a week starting Friday, August 3. Are there any alums there I could be in touch with while I'm out there? -- Sonia Jaffe Robbins Antioch College, '60-'62, '64 sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting ******************* "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Aug 1 12:13:31 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Aug 1 12:26:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] San Diego alums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Two SoCal Alum Board members live near LA..is that close enough? Ina Frank and Kristen Pett. Duffy From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 12:44:12 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Jane Slater (imabused@aol.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 12:57:24 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks all for your feedback. I took down Yazz's post which began this thread. I apologize for putting it up in the first place. Jane Slater Class of '80 Ashland, OR From jdavid at coldren.net Wed Aug 1 13:03:16 2007 From: jdavid at coldren.net (J. David Coldren) Date: Wed Aug 1 13:17:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: References: <2499c406805bc783662ba4e696e91290@antiochians.org> Message-ID: <024401c7d45d$db9c9e70$92d5db50$@net> Duffy, This is beginning to sound more and more like the Terry Schaivo melodrama. The patient is a death's door and may be brain dead, the person with legal authority says "pull the plug", and there is a chorus of others saying "Save Terry." Raising money. Trying to get judicial relief. And Bob playing the part of Tom DeLay. We all know what happened in the end. J. David Coldren '65 This e-mail and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Further, they may be subject to Executive Privilege or the attorney work product doctrine. If you are not the named addressee, this e-mail and any attachments have been received by you in error and you are legally prohibited from reading, copying, retaining in any format or disseminating this e-mail or any of its attachments. Your erroneous receipt of this e-mail and any attachments shall not constitute a waiver of any privilege or confidentiality, Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail and any attachments in error and delete them from your system. -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Steven Duffy Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:14 AM To: Alumni Chat List Cc: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 Yazz CUdd...how can you write all that you do and how you do when you are really fairly far removed? This is third hand back seat driving and Tuesday quarterbacking ... To use in the word self-interest seems inflammatory and not helpful. The most common thread among many of our groups is that the College is like a critical patient....and is on the table......may need some transplants or some amputation...everything folks are trying is to keep the patient from being lowered into the ground... From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 13:15:14 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 13:28:25 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <024401c7d45d$db9c9e70$92d5db50$@net> Message-ID: >Duffy, > >This is beginning to sound more and more like the Terry Schaivo melodrama. >The patient is a death's door and may be brain dead, the person with legal >authority says "pull the plug", and there is a chorus of others saying "Save >Terry." Raising money. Trying to get judicial relief. And Bob playing the >part of Tom DeLay. > >We all know what happened in the end. > > >J. David Coldren '65 Love the analogy. Except that Terry Schaivo had a heart attack in her home, and Antioch College was murdered by starvation and a botched curriculum transplant. Alan Benard, '92 From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 13:16:16 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (catbirdgirl (catbirdgirl@yahoo.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 13:29:25 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <024401c7d45d$db9c9e70$92d5db50$@net> Message-ID: This is beginning to sound more and more like the Terry Schaivo melodrama. The patient is a death's door and may be brain dead, the person with legal authority says "pull the plug", and there is a chorus of others saying "Save Terry." Raising money. Trying to get judicial relief. And Bob playing the part of Tom DeLay. We all know what happened in the end. J. David Coldren '65 That comparison is heartless and rather revolting. First of all LIVE and BRIGHT students have still been graduating from Antioch. Not Schiavo-like there. Second of all, the analogy is nasty and rude, as the metaphor doesn't carry at all, and is insulting besides. Robin '91 From marnoldtk at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 13:18:41 2007 From: marnoldtk at yahoo.com (Matthew Arnold) Date: Wed Aug 1 13:31:54 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 Message-ID: <245772.12447.qm@web53409.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Um, did I miss the part where we learned that Terry Schaivo's doctors all had long histories of gross medical malpractice? And the part where Terry Schaivo sat bolt upright in bed, in front of a bank of rolling cameras, and pleaded: "I'm not sick at all! I just came in for a nose job. Please don't let them kill me!" >This is beginning to sound more and more like the Terry Schaivo melodrama. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Aug 1 13:19:09 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Aug 1 13:31:57 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <024401c7d45d$db9c9e70$92d5db50$@net> References: <2499c406805bc783662ba4e696e91290@antiochians.org> <, > <,> <024401c7d45d$db9c9e70$92d5db50$@net> Message-ID: J. David Coldren, if I close my eyes I can remember you fairly well. Hopefully in the end there will be a victory for.....everyone..... Rebuilding the College is part of it and definitely rebuilding everyone's trust. That big old university has been like a bad lover..shall we all sing "your cheatin' heart?" A complicated mess...hopefully everyone will work on a part of that mess. Duffy From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Aug 1 13:21:30 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Aug 1 13:34:19 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: References: <2499c406805bc783662ba4e696e91290@antiochians.org> <, > < > <,> < > <024401c7d45d$db9c9e70$92d5db50$@net> <,> Message-ID: about that bad lover meataphor..I used to tease Dan Kaplan, former BOT chair.. I wouold say...hey "I'm jealous! I've found out that you've been seeing other campuses!" Duffy From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 13:22:23 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (ChristianF (christian.feuerstein@gmail.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 13:35:34 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <024401c7d45d$db9c9e70$92d5db50$@net> Message-ID: jdc, you're entitled to your opinion, but please bear in mind that it's just that--your opinion. Also the resolution of the alumni association at Reunion 2007, passed UNANIMOUSLY, states, in part: 1. The Antioch College Alumni are committed to the uninterrupted continuation of Antioch College as an institution of higher education with a tenured faculty. Sorry you disagree, but that train is still moving ahead. You've made your wishes abundantly clear. Thank you for your time. Good afternoon. Christian '94 Alumni Board member >Duffy, > >This is beginning to sound more and more like the Terry Schaivo melodrama. >The patient is a death's door and may be brain dead, the person with legal >authority says "pull the plug", and there is a chorus of others saying "Save >Terry." Raising money. Trying to get judicial relief. And Bob playing the >part of Tom DeLay. > >We all know what happened in the end. > > >J. David Coldren '65 From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 13:24:59 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 13:38:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3c41e2c92bd3f9d1a9443e6eab8e83c0@antiochians.org> >J. David Coldren, if I close my eyes I can remember you fairly well. > >Hopefully in the end there will be a victory for.....everyone..... > >Rebuilding the College is part of it and definitely rebuilding everyone's >trust. > >That big old university has been like a bad lover..shall we all sing "your >cheatin' heart?" > >A complicated mess...hopefully everyone will work on a part of that mess. > >Duffy Duffy, you certainly have all the class and charm I lack. I tip my hat. Alan Benard From marklp2 at comcast.net Wed Aug 1 13:27:04 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Wed Aug 1 13:40:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Community Solutions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00f801c7d461$2e85b7e0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> FYI, But no official relationship to the college. Mark P. '71 ________________________________________ From: Megan Quinn [mailto:megan@communitysolution.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:54 AM To: megan@communitysolution.org Subject: Register Now for the Fourth U.S. Conference on Peak Oil and Community Solutions ________________________________________ Sent by: Community Service, Inc. 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Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/918 - Release Date: 7/25/2007 2:55 PM From aadole at adelphia.net Wed Aug 1 16:30:28 2007 From: aadole at adelphia.net (Art Dole) Date: Wed Aug 1 13:48:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <19e442c970b8ed7f1ffdf109c7b79840@antiochians.org> Message-ID: On 7/31/07 9:21 PM, "Jane Slater (imabused@aol.com)" wrote: > The only legal fund set up to oppose the Antioch University Board Of Trustees > closedown decision mandating Antioch College, Ohio, be closed down in July > 2008, is the fund set up by the faculty group opposing the closedown. > > Jane, Yazz, and other eagles--Has the Alum Board consulted the American Association of University Professors? AAUP President Carey Nelson is an alum, incidentally. Art Dole '46 From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Aug 1 13:56:33 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Aug 1 14:09:21 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] correction from katy cobb jako Message-ID: This note of correction comes from Katy Jako... she had send me this to post awhile back..but life is crazy busy..trying to work and also keep up with emails from several groups including this one. To all of you.... Katy along with Al Denman (as early as the early 70's) first had the thoughts that an Antioch College that had true autonomy (independence) would be more likely to flourish that one governed by a well meaning bunch with multiple problems in multiple places. Multitasking does not always have the best outcome. Katy was large and in charge of the AIF (Antioch Independence Fund) which had 500 donors, including ex-trustees and faculty...... So the College Revival Fund comes along 10 years later. Ah, there is nothing new under the sun, eh? only finally folks are awake since the cow is outta the barn....or buried under it. Katy would like to correct Alan Benard. He thought that 160,000 of the AIF money had gone to AU. katy says WRONG. Katy said (on 7/8/03 if anyone wants to know) that total to AU was $15,360.00 and actually went to the AU environmental institute ... Other secondary designations were the AC annual fund $8005.00 (which,btw including MY very own as well) Glen Helen $4555.00 and the Antioch Review $2800.00. Katy says "there are lots of AIF alumni on alumni-chat and i would HATE for any of them to think that $160.000 of THEIR fund enriched the parasitic University that for 30 years has sucked the life out of its "host", Antioch College." Al Denman's donations actually went to AUs Environmental institute...not AU in general. Katy is not even lurking....her brother Jack Cobb '50 may send her vignettes but my feeling is that after a long struggle with everything she is now content to watch the Oakland A s. Duffy Some days late...some dollars short Make your favorite web visit to Antiochians.org and give your time, sweat equity or moolah to help in what you perceive to be the best arenas and if you just wanna vent and be a hot mess...well...go ahead From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 14:07:18 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 14:20:29 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] correction from katy cobb jako In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <227c6eda73c5fda6271d1ff1e1867ee9@antiochians.org> >Katy would like to correct Alan Benard. He thought that 160,000 of the >AIF money had gone to AU. > >katy says WRONG. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'll try to figure out where I might of said such a thing and where I might have gotten that impression. If I can, I'll personally correct it. But I don't remember writing that, honestly. But if I did say that and it is wrong, I regret the error. I don't claim to know much about AIF but I do know what it intended to do, and appreciated that there was a "plan B." Alan Benard From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 14:20:53 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 14:34:06 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] correction from katy cobb jako In-Reply-To: <227c6eda73c5fda6271d1ff1e1867ee9@antiochians.org> Message-ID: <4ef33d84df6477c887c60fd7f2a183d9@antiochians.org> >>Katy would like to correct Alan Benard. He thought that 160,000 of the >>AIF money had gone to AU. >> >>katy says WRONG. >If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'll try to figure out where I might of said such a thing and where I might have gotten that impression. If I can, I'll personally correct it. But I don't remember writing that, honestly. But if I did say that and it is wrong, I regret the error. > >I don't claim to know much about AIF but I do know what it intended to do, and appreciated that there was a "plan B." > >Alan Benard Well, if someone can put this statement I allegedly made under my nose, I'll take a look at it. I used the forum Search to look for posts with "160,000" or "AIF" in them where my username exists. None of the four posts this brought up contained such a statement. Maybe we think we saw my name attached to this statement? Or maybe we want to make me look like I say things that aren't true? Or, possibly, this was written by me before this forum was created, on the old email lists? Well, have at it, dear friends, show me the goods if you have them. Alan Benard, '92 From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 14:48:42 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (ccary60 (ccary60@gmail.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 15:01:53 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Lawry leaving in January In-Reply-To: <65417.24.97.182.34.1185937224.squirrel@webmail.cornell.edu> Message-ID: I've heard that being president of Antioch is like being pecked to death by ducks but it could just as easily be from chickens....hence the need for poultry contributions... >>Yes please no more photos of rubber chickens. >I think that was Gerry's poultry contribution. From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 14:57:04 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (ccary60 (ccary60@gmail.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 15:10:15 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3ddff152686f82555207f859f627cf17@antiochians.org> Cary is Trustee Paula Triechler's husband and met with faculty during reunion. It's difficult to say what power AAUP really has. My sense is that even institutions that have been sanctioned by AAUP have not suffered much. I believe they are still investigating Antioch Seattle. When Chancellor Murdock was President, the faculty had a vote of no confidence due to her management style. Then Chancellor Jim Hall sent out Presidents Danley and Craiglow to "investigate." The conclusion was reached that nothing should be done..and nothing was... Callie >On 7/31/07 9:21 PM, "Jane Slater (imabused@aol.com)" > wrote: > >>The only legal fund set up to oppose the Antioch University Board Of Trustees >>closedown decision mandating Antioch College, Ohio, be closed down in July >>2008, is the fund set up by the faculty group opposing the closedown. >Jane, Yazz, and other eagles--Has the Alum Board consulted the American >Association of University Professors? AAUP President Carey Nelson is an >alum, incidentally. > >Art Dole '46 > >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 15:37:34 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (bdevine (bdevine@antioch-college.edu)) Date: Wed Aug 1 15:50:45 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <024401c7d45d$db9c9e70$92d5db50$@net> Message-ID: <72397e61e5a2c5c33fb5aec6fd25f0bf@www.antiochians.org> This is beginning to sound more and more like the Terry Schaivo melodrama. The patient is a death's door and may be brain dead, the person with legal authority says "pull the plug", and there is a chorus of others saying "Save Terry." Raising money. Trying to get judicial relief. And Bob playing the part of Tom DeLay. We all know what happened in the end. David, This analogy gets a D-. The College is not brain dead, and is fully capable of sustaining all vital functions, as demonstrated by the engagement of some of the brightest and most capable students that Antioch has had, the faculty's delivery of a complex and labor-intensive curriculum in spite of not having the resources promised to do so, the desire of a couple hundred students to return to and to attend Antioch this fall, in spite of its announced closing, three Fulbrights last year, etc. Those with the legal authority to say "pull the plug" have done so as the outcome of a protracted set of strategies to remove fiscal and programmatic control from the campus, to create a permanent deficit and concomitant dependency, to undermine and restrain leadership, and to "cleanse the ghosts". Those working to save the College are seeking (to build on the analogy) to reverse the iatrogenic diseases born of its institutional context (read that "governance"). As for playing the part of Tom DeLay, I'm not sure that it's entirely clear that the faculty as a whole is the driving force in seeking judicial relief. I have very little to do with it. So it's a two-fer -- you disrespect me, AND you disrespect the faculty and its leadership. The price paid for cleverness, I suppose. Meanwhile, those who sincerely want to believe the worst about Antioch College, who have for decades wanted to believe the worst, are happily engaged in gloating about the difficulties and inventing clever analogies of decline and demise. Wouldn't a crossword puzzle be more satisfying, David? Bob From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 15:51:37 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (ChristianF (christian.feuerstein@gmail.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 16:04:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <72397e61e5a2c5c33fb5aec6fd25f0bf@www.antiochians.org> Message-ID: <8b732fde340833f92842e25d3d95c04e@antiochians.org> OK I'll 'fess up: "iatrogenic" Couldn't find it in my dictionary. Definition? Thankee, Christian '94 Alumni Board Member Coveting the OED... From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 15:55:06 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (skooter (skooter3@gmail.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 16:08:17 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <8b732fde340833f92842e25d3d95c04e@antiochians.org> Message-ID: <159163bc38b137307c50bd0aee0ca19e@antiochians.org> An illness caused by a doctor. "When the junior mint fell into the operating cavity, an iatrogenic infection was caused." Skooter >OK I'll 'fess up: > >"iatrogenic" > >Couldn't find it in my dictionary. Definition? > >Thankee, > >Christian '94 >Alumni Board Member >Coveting the OED... > > >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 16:29:03 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (bdevine (bdevine@antioch-college.edu)) Date: Wed Aug 1 16:42:12 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Lawry leaving in January In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5e89847af719c9bf0cb0095014671a90@www.antiochians.org> Ah John Hevelin...here is some Antioch memorabilia connected to your Night of the Living Dead. The hero in the movie..Duane Jones...was an Antioch Theater professor here in the mid seventies. Duffy Actually Duane taught literature. His finest screen performance was not in the George Romero film, but in Bill Gunn's "Ganja and Hess". It's a real treasure. Check it out if you get the chance. Bob From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 16:32:06 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (casselli87 (dodioflo@mindspring.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 16:45:16 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <8b732fde340833f92842e25d3d95c04e@antiochians.org> Message-ID: Iatros means physician in Greek, and -genic, meaning induced by, is derived from the International Scientific Vocabulary. Combined, of course, they become iatrogenic, meaning physician-induced. Iatrogenic disease is obviously, then, disease which is caused by a physician. From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 16:41:52 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Jack (jack1@mac.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 16:55:01 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Lawry leaving in January In-Reply-To: <5e89847af719c9bf0cb0095014671a90@www.antiochians.org> Message-ID: <8c47c5b02f7c769ac39fb9d1731eda3a@antiochians.org> Anyone: I have "Ganja and Hess" on DVD, if any interested party wants to check it out, so long as you promise to share with others. j- Bob wrote: ...Duane taught literature. His finest screen performance was not in the George Romero film, but in Bill Gunn's "Ganja and Hess". It's a real treasure. Check it out if you get the chance. From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 16:50:53 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 17:04:04 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Lawry leaving in January In-Reply-To: <8c47c5b02f7c769ac39fb9d1731eda3a@antiochians.org> Message-ID: <870864ac230dc03d94903596c57c6b00@antiochians.org> >Anyone: I have "Ganja and Hess" on DVD, if any interested party wants to check it out, so long as you promise to share with others. > >j- I'm down with that. [img]http://static.flickr.com/98/271785051_51119b5524_o.jpg[/img] From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 17:02:32 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (john_hevelin (bwotte@rexx.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 17:15:42 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Lawry leaving in January In-Reply-To: <5e89847af719c9bf0cb0095014671a90@www.antiochians.org> Message-ID: <219f95cefe085eac00e4a2e3271d6e39@antiochians.org> >Ah John Hevelin...here is some Antioch memorabilia connected to your Night >of the Living Dead. > >The hero in the movie..Duane Jones...was an Antioch Theater professor here >in the mid seventies. > >Duffy > > >Actually Duane taught literature. His finest screen performance was not in the George Romero film, but in Bill Gunn's "Ganja and Hess". It's a real treasure. Check it out if you get the chance. > >Bob Fascinating. Jones's appearance in /Night of the Living Dead/ (1970) was an extension of a positive trend begun in the Sixties of blacks playing non-stereotypical black roles, exemplified most notably by Nichelle Nicols as Lt. Uhura in /Star Trek/, but also including Gail Fisher as Peggy in /Mannix/, Greg Morris as Barney in /Mission Impossible/, and Bill Cosby in /I Spy/. John Sayles continued this tradition by casting Joe Morton as the alien in /Brother from Another Planet/ (1984), although this was an exception to the theme we've seen over the past decades that I call "blacks in an unsympathetic role," i.e., obstructionist civil servant, unsympathetic police captains, strident welfare mothers, uncooperative nurses, etc. Obligatory "Save Antioch" comment: What area of literature did Jones teach? John Hevelin '68 From afrye at bitwisesystems.com Wed Aug 1 17:30:12 2007 From: afrye at bitwisesystems.com (Ann Frye) Date: Wed Aug 1 17:43:31 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <8b732fde340833f92842e25d3d95c04e@antiochians.org> References: <8b732fde340833f92842e25d3d95c04e@antiochians.org> Message-ID: <46B0FB64.3070809@bitwisesystems.com> >"iatrogenic" > >Couldn't find it in my dictionary. Definition? > > From my 1978 American Heritage Dictionary: Induced in a patient by a physician's words or actions. Said especially of imagined illnesses. Ann Frye From jdavid at coldren.net Wed Aug 1 17:31:25 2007 From: jdavid at coldren.net (J. David Coldren) Date: Wed Aug 1 17:45:29 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <72397e61e5a2c5c33fb5aec6fd25f0bf@www.antiochians.org> References: <024401c7d45d$db9c9e70$92d5db50$@net> <72397e61e5a2c5c33fb5aec6fd25f0bf@www.antiochians.org> Message-ID: <029e01c7d483$50e556c0$f2b00440$@net> Bob, Bob, Bob, First, nobody I know "wants to believe the worst about Antioch College" and nobody I know is gloating about its difficulties. To the contrary, all of the people in my circles of friends are heartsick about the College. Some have been sounding serious alarms about the College's directions and finances since shortly before you assumed the interim presidency. Then, as we got dribs and drabs of information from the College and the Alumni Association (not to mention the calls from students asking what we wanted to know about the College and suggesting a donation), some of us--not all, by any means--could sense the future that is now upon us and wondered how long it would take for the Board to make radical changes or place the College in greater protective custody. That time, regrettably, has come. As alumni we felt we had little input into the long-term decisions being made by a revolving door presidency and the Board of Trustees while our perceptions of the College's reputation for academic excellence steadily declined. Our concerns were reinforced by communications with friends on the faculty and residents of Yellow Springs and by our occasional visits to the campus where we saw deferred maintenance and outright vandalism. I will never forget my deep sorrow when I visited the amphitheatre in which I had spent so many happy hours and found it totally trashed; seats missing; and the cyclorama marred by graffiti. For that the Administration and, ultimately, the Board got an F in my book. Inexcusable. And it couldn't easily be blamed on Dr. Dixon and his burgeoning network thirty years earlier. Although many have tried and seem to believe that the University (nee the network) was the Original Sin. Finally, you take yourself much too seriously and waste valuable time trying to protect your legacy as the students' favorite president and professor instead of doing what a leader should: promulgate a tough, clear plan for fixing whatever problems have you have identified (as well of those others have pointed out) and set forth an actionable strategy for implementing that plan. If that plan exists, I certainly haven't seen it or heard of it and I would certainly be happy to read it and explore its intended consequences. Any reasonable plan should deal with the endowment, finances, physical plant, curriculum, demographics, and the admissions process along with dozens of other things that would be necessary for major donors to take it seriously. Is there a URL where we can get that plan? J. David Coldren '65 This e-mail and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Further, they may be subject to Executive Privilege or the attorney work product doctrine. If you are not the named addressee, this e-mail and any attachments have been received by you in error and you are legally prohibited from reading, copying, retaining in any format or disseminating this e-mail or any of its attachments. Your erroneous receipt of this e-mail and any attachments shall not constitute a waiver of any privilege or confidentiality, Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail and any attachments in error and delete them from your system. -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of bdevine (bdevine@antioch-college.edu) Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 2:38 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 This is beginning to sound more and more like the Terry Schaivo melodrama. The patient is a death's door and may be brain dead, the person with legal authority says "pull the plug", and there is a chorus of others saying "Save Terry." Raising money. Trying to get judicial relief. And Bob playing the part of Tom DeLay. We all know what happened in the end. David, This analogy gets a D-. The College is not brain dead, and is fully capable of sustaining all vital functions, as demonstrated by the engagement of some of the brightest and most capable students that Antioch has had, the faculty's delivery of a complex and labor-intensive curriculum in spite of not having the resources promised to do so, the desire of a couple hundred students to return to and to attend Antioch this fall, in spite of its announced closing, three Fulbrights last year, etc. Those with the legal authority to say "pull the plug" have done so as the outcome of a protracted set of strategies to remove fiscal and programmatic control from the campus, to create a permanent deficit and concomitant dependency, to undermine and restrain leadership, and to "cleanse the ghosts". Those working to save the College are seeking (to build on the analogy) to reverse the iatrogenic diseases born of its institutional context (read that "governance"). As for playing the part of Tom DeLay, I'm not sure that it's entirely clear that the faculty as a whole is the driving force in seeking judicial relief. I have very little to do with it. So it's a two-fer -- you disrespect me, AND you disrespect the faculty and its leadership. The price paid for cleverness, I suppose. Meanwhile, those who sincerely want to believe the worst about Antioch College, who have for decades wanted to believe the worst, are happily engaged in gloating about the difficulties and inventing clever analogies of decline and demise. Wouldn't a crossword puzzle be more satisfying, David? Bob _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 17:52:27 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 18:05:38 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] correction from katy cobb jako In-Reply-To: <4ef33d84df6477c887c60fd7f2a183d9@antiochians.org> Message-ID: Nobody got that post yet? Really? Keep tyring! -A- From moloney at pobox.com Wed Aug 1 17:56:34 2007 From: moloney at pobox.com (Elizabeth Moloney) Date: Wed Aug 1 18:09:50 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] bob devine and the ampitheatre In-Reply-To: <029e01c7d483$50e556c0$f2b00440$@net> References: <024401c7d45d$db9c9e70$92d5db50$@net> <72397e61e5a2c5c33fb5aec6fd25f0bf@www.antiochians.org> <029e01c7d483$50e556c0$f2b00440$@net> Message-ID: <9165C608-498D-4748-A16E-A7BA0237CFAE@pobox.com> Just have to chime in re: the ampitheatre.... it was repainted and renovated a number of years ago. In addition to the surface graffiti you described, there were also structural problems which meant that while I was a student, it was declared off limits for use by the theatre dept.... I don't know if it was officially condemned by the town but we certainly weren't supposed to be using it! This was prior to the goodman dedication (early 90s). I went back twice after I graduated to be a guest artist and stage manage for Louise Smith in the theatre department and the whole thing was in much better condition (1998 and 2001). I'm just curious when you were last there. Aside from the facts that the disintegrating ampitheatre was host to many a great Photo class care of Dennie Eagleson, I agree that it was a shame that it got that bad. But it was that bad before Bob was president so you can't pin that on him either. Bob also doesn't have to spend anytime on protecting his legacy as the favorite president. I for one will do that for him and shout from the roof tops that he was and is my favorite. When I started, Guskin was president, when I graduated Bob was president and while I was a CM, Crowfoot was president. Need I say more? I see the absence of a "tough, clear plan" is the failure of the BoT as a whole and the admin that has come along since Bob went back to teaching and civilian/non admin life. From my point of view, the rushed instituting of the 5 year plan and "New Curriculum" and the pulling out of the rug from the faculty that was quick to follow is more to blame. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that post-Bob's presidency? Having jut said "correct me if I'm wrong", if you want to reply only to convert me from Devine-fan-dom, please refrain and let's just agree to disagree. - beth '95 On Aug 1, 2007, at 5:31 PM, J. David Coldren wrote: > ....I will never forget my deep sorrow when I visited the > amphitheatre in which > I had spent so many happy hours and found it totally trashed; seats > missing; > and the cyclorama marred by graffiti..... > > Finally, you take yourself much too seriously and waste valuable > time trying > to protect your legacy as the students' favorite president and > professor > instead of doing what a leader should: promulgate a tough, clear > plan for > fixing whatever problems have you have identified (as well of those > others > have pointed out) and set forth an actionable strategy for > implementing that > plan.... > > > J. David Coldren '65 From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 18:11:18 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Beth Richards (insanedeity@gmail.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 18:24:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <029e01c7d483$50e556c0$f2b00440$@net> Message-ID: <86516cda75d705861253fce7a784846c@www.antiochians.org> Hi David, I do not know when your last visit to the Amphitheater was, but as a recent theatre graduate I can tell you it has been refurbished. I believe in 1996. Yes, the before pictures are extraordinarily sad. But I believe it was this state that you refer to, not the present condition. During my time at Antioch the department looked forward with tremendous excitement to the Summer block shows. My memories of Romeo & Juliet in '99 are some of my best from college. We we all greatly saddened when this tradition was allowed to die with the cutting of the Summer Institute Program budgets after Summer 2001. However, this has not stopped the theatre department and the community of Yellow Springs from utilizing the Amphitheater as a valuable resource. The YS Kids Playhouse group uses it as their resident space. Musical performances such as Blues Fest continue to take place. And classes and performances of the Antioch College Theatre Department are regular events. I am dreaming of the day when "Shakespeare Under The Stars" returns to a place as a regional event, bringing faculty, students, community, and audience together. And I am working to make that dream happen. I hope to see you at the next show! I'm nominating "All's Well That Ends Well". -Beth R. '04 From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 19:03:46 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Travis Sanford (travissanford@msn.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 19:16:57 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <029e01c7d483$50e556c0$f2b00440$@net> Message-ID: <43e0c0ac6491c51f17d7247f92e2d65a@antiochians.org> David, To steal a phrase, I am agnostic on Bob Devine's presidency for lack of attention during his tenure. However I believe his interests are a little bit bigger than the handful of dust he would be left with if his goal were to preserve his status and watch the college close. He has been very willing to answer questions and I think we are all mature enough and critical enough to know that we all have personal agenda. Perhaps agenda should be saved from its use as term of scorn and understood to mean the internal guide we use to prioritize our actions and our commitments. David, you seem to take very little human interest in the effect this decision is having on the people on the ground in YSO. Bob is not taking himself too seriously he and Duffy and all the others on the faculty and staff are fighting for their jobs, their homes, and their hometown. You seem fine with their casual dismissal and do not much value their input which might have stopped the slide (e.g. their resistence to the Renewal curriculum). The University has provided no forum for the faculty to provide feedback on various decisions made over the last few years and around the suspension of the college operations in particular. Staff, well, staff have always been dismissed and abused and the first to take a hit when there is a budget cut. I do not know what you and circle of friends have done or not done in the past for the college. I do not know which presidents and which chancellors ignored you or which of your fellow well established older alums on the Board didn't listen or did not take action. But we can look at ups and downs in enrollment, we can look at ups and downs in endowment, we can look at ups and downs in faculty morale, etc and those comparisons show that there have been significant efforts to revitalize the college and that these efforts have been subsuqently undermined at every turn by the University. So why don't you give a rousing round of criticism to Al Guskin who led the BoT to the seperation of the president and chancellor positions which ended the primacy of the college in the system and made it the poor relative to a collection of colleges with a completely different operational model, student base and cost structure. Get on Al for leaving with an obviously inapprorpiate person in the president's office (I did not sit on the selection committee for Crowfoot but half and hour in his presence was enough for me to determine that a) he lacked the vision of leader b) he lacked an understanding of the challenges that faced the college c) he obviously did not understand the emerging reporting structure of the university. In the seesion I attended he was asked questions on all of these points and his responses as I recall were feeble at best). I appreciate that others on this forum will tell you about the rennovation of the amphitheater. That there have been steps forward and many important ones were made when Al was president and many more when Bob came along. I hope that Alan will post his picture of Bob the Wizard with his magic wand and basalisk eyes because its funny and it points out that no one person is responsible and no one person can save the day. With a new found sense of civility, Travis From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 19:15:56 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Travis Sanford (travissanford@msn.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 19:29:06 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <3ddff152686f82555207f859f627cf17@antiochians.org> Message-ID: Um... The President of the AAUP is married to one of the current members of the AUBoT? Wow, that marriage must have some very clear boundaries for her not to be told over the dinner table "Oh by the way dear, your financial exigency is a joke and violates some bery basic accounting rules in determining such matters in a university structure, and you guys really screwed your faculty by not telling them in advance or bringing them into the decision practice and really aren't you just trying to get rid of them? Pass the butter please." As for Toni's non-tenured faculty revolt in Seattle, not at all suprising, but given the no confidence vote this is the person the AUBoT chose to lead AU? Amazing. From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 19:40:22 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (praggy (jeffreyterrell@hotmail.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 19:53:32 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <8b732fde340833f92842e25d3d95c04e@antiochians.org> Message-ID: Stemming from the physician's care, I think. From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 19:50:50 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Gerry Bello (gerrybello@hotmail.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 20:04:00 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Lawry leaving in January In-Reply-To: <457820ccf5050b0c6f8410bc0a4863b2@antiochians.org> Message-ID: >>oh... and that car had tried to run me down... I somesaulted to there. >Now I have the Six Million Dollar Man sound stuck in my head. Thanks for that. > >e > >ps. It's really too bad we can't see the look on that driver's face. Tell your camera man to do better next time! ;) Sadly... the camera person was trying not to document very much that day. Thus... good documentary evidence of the events of the lives of both myself and the driver (and some other people) do not exist for the next 6 to 10 seconds. The car.... left the scene.... not under its own power. I actually used [url=http://www.genbukan.org/s3/site/movies/10thKyuZenpoKaiten.wmv]zenpo kaiten [/img] to get there. Which I learned in the Antioch gym. Yes I still study ninpo. Please dont beat me up. From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 20:07:14 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 20:20:23 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <43e0c0ac6491c51f17d7247f92e2d65a@antiochians.org> Message-ID: <944e8e4d14c299df2542681afbb50f95@antiochians.org> >I hope that Alan will post his picture of Bob the Wizard with his magic wand and basalisk eyes because its funny and it points out that no one person is responsible and no one person can save the day. I dunno...I'm already in the doghouse for all those invisible posts in which I lied about AIF .... Well, okay! [big][red]"That's right, my pretties...DESTROY THE COLLEGE! BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN! MOO HOO HAA HAA HAA! DO MY EVIL BIDDING!![/big][/red] [img]http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z106/meomy1/lord_bobdemort.jpg[/img] From gerrybello at hotmail.com Wed Aug 1 20:11:47 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Wed Aug 1 20:25:07 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <86516cda75d705861253fce7a784846c@www.antiochians.org> Message-ID: >From: "Beth Richards (insanedeity@gmail.com)" > >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:11:18 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc9-f5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 1 >Aug 2007 15:11:17 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id C747660D0920;Wed, 1 Aug 2007 18:24:28 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from thunder.svaha.org (thunder.svaha.org [70.85.195.2])by >w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B05F60D0914for >; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 18:24:26 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from [70.85.195.2] (helo=www.antiochians.org)by thunder.svaha.org >with esmtpa (Exim 4.66)(envelope-from >)id 1IGMPW-0007wq-J3for >alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:11:18 -0500 >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW421q3T6032znRWMrH+L0vABAorZJPGz6zRWBVHIdz1eXWDRvvWCrEWp >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailer: PHPMailer [version 1.73] >Thread-Index: AcfURlV2F8lgIOYKRSmVPo6eSh3AUAAFsFuwAAe6f4A= >X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse,please include it with >any abuse report >X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - thunder.svaha.org >X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - w3.antioch.edu >X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] >X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - antiochians.org >X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: >alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2007 22:11:17.0873 (UTC) >FILETIME=[E22F2610:01C7D488] > >Hi David, > >I do not know when your last visit to the Amphitheater was, but as a recent >theatre graduate I can tell you it has been refurbished. I believe in >1996. Yes, the before pictures are extraordinarily sad. But I believe it >was this state that you refer to, not the present condition. During my >time at Antioch the department looked forward with tremendous excitement to >the Summer block shows. My memories of Romeo & Juliet in '99 are some of >my best from college. We we all greatly saddened when this tradition was >allowed to die with the cutting of the Summer Institute Program budgets >after Summer 2001. However, this has not stopped the theatre department >and the community of Yellow Springs from utilizing the Amphitheater as a >valuable resource. The YS Kids Playhouse group uses it as their resident >space. Musical performances such as Blues Fest continue to take place. >And classes and performances of the Antioch College Theatre Department are >regular events. > >I am dreaming of the day when "Shakespeare Under The Stars" returns to a >place as a regional event, bringing faculty, students, community, and >audience together. And I am working to make that dream happen. I hope to >see you at the next show! I'm nominating "All's Well That Ends Well". > >-Beth R. '04 > > or we could do an Antioch adaptation of Henry the Vth. with Jessica and Ted as Scroop and Grey. Toni as the Dauphin and Danly as the marshall of france. "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Wed Aug 1 20:16:38 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Wed Aug 1 20:29:57 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Um... >The President of the AAUP is married to one of the current members of the >AUBoT? >Wow, that marriage must have some very clear boundaries for her not to be >told over the dinner table "Oh by the way dear, your financial exigency is >a joke and violates some bery basic accounting rules in determining such >matters in a university structure, and you guys really screwed your faculty >by not telling them in advance or bringing them into the decision practice >and really aren't you just trying to get rid of them? Pass the butter >please." > Except that Paula is on OUR side. I have no way of knowing which way who voted in the meeting... But I'm close to 99% sure that Paula was in the minority against closure. I'd also refrain from speculating what goes on inside other people houses.... although I believe Barbara Danely likes killing kittens. And Toni thought seal clubbing was a recreational activity not an industry. ---G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 20:18:38 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Rowan (rowankaiser@gmail.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 20:31:48 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >or we could do an Antioch adaptation of Henry the Vth. with Jessica and Ted >as Scroop and Grey. Toni as the Dauphin and Danly as the marshall of >france. I'm thinking Toni as Macbeth, myself. From marklp2 at comcast.net Wed Aug 1 20:20:37 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Wed Aug 1 20:33:54 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: References: <86516cda75d705861253fce7a784846c@www.antiochians.org> Message-ID: <014b01c7d49a$f3a075e0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Are you Henry? >I am dreaming of the day when "Shakespeare Under The Stars" returns to a >place as a regional event, bringing faculty, students, community, and >audience together. And I am working to make that dream happen. I hope to >see you at the next show! I'm nominating "All's Well That Ends Well". > >-Beth R. '04 > > or we could do an Antioch adaptation of Henry the Vth. with Jessica and Ted as Scroop and Grey. Toni as the Dauphin and Danly as the marshall of france. "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/918 - Release Date: 7/25/2007 2:55 PM From gerrybello at hotmail.com Wed Aug 1 20:26:12 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Wed Aug 1 20:39:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <014b01c7d49a$f3a075e0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: >Are you Henry? I'm to old. Exeter... Fits me better. A current CM should play Henry. _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 21:48:53 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 22:02:04 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] correction from katy cobb jako In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <04c9b344fe8e3842a45a6cfcd70bc073@antiochians.org> Matt Baya wins! And if anyone would win, it's Matt. Thanks! Duffy, you and Katy owe me a tiny apology but it's all good. In fact, drumroll please, the offending data was provided by...Sistersara! To wit (and please notice that Sistersara is *responding*to my kvetching: >> From: Sistersara@aol.com > > Date: July 8, 2007 5:06:38 PM EDT > > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alanbernard on ACAA > > Reply-To: Alumni Chat List > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/8/2007 3:02:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > alanbenard@comcast.net writes: > > > > I believe it is absolutely necessary in the interest of > > transparency for the > > ACAA leadership to explain: > > > > * Steps to organize as a private, non-profit association in the > > State of Ohio > > * Steps to create legal barriers to challenges to the Revival Fund's > > independence from AU > > * An explanation of what kind of organization is in formation, if > > any -- a > > 501(c)3 or a foundation > > * An explanation of how Revival funds entrusted to a third party > > would be > > legally protected, how much overhead would be charged for the > > administration of > > the fund, how donations would be tax-deductible, and the mechanism > > by which > > those funds would be returned to the control of the ACAA for > > disposition to a > > separated AC and what their disposition would be if AC is never re- > > opened > > and/or not separated. > > > > I expect no clear answers. > > > > Alan Benard > > > > > > > > Totally second this position. If indeed ACAA is incorporated as a > > non-profit in the state of Ohio, the Sec of State or the ACAA board > > ought to be able > > to post the official charter, including the dates when the charter > > was filed > > and all. I would point out that if something was done in 1969 as > > someone > > suggested, that was 1) before the University was created, and 2) > > an entirely > > different group of board members. I doubt if a 1969 mission > > statement would in > > any way be adequate at this point. My own memory has it that in > > 1969 the > > question was whether there would be one big Alumni Association for > > everyone, or > > whether College alumns wanted to retain their older and informal > > organization. > > That is hardly the issue today. > > > > What is needed now, for fully understandable legal reasons, is a > > formal > > voted resolution to incorporate for purposes of the new mission, > > with a formal > > vote by the ACAA Board as it currently stands as an alumni elected > > entities. > > This would be followed by the officers filing paperwork with > > Ohio's Secretary > > of State. The Sec of State will give you a fancy piece of paper > > called a > > "CHARTER" once you file, and that is preliminary to doing the rest > > of what's > > necessary to file your 501 or other category of tax exempt class > > available to > > the now properly chartered ACAA. > > > > I would respectfully point out to the Alumni Board that we do have > > empirical > > evidence available as to how Alumni feel about some sort of switch > > being > > pulled, and suddenly finding that funds intended for the College > > have suddenly > > been changed into University funds. During AIF about 1.2 million was > > contributed to the fund, and in the end only 160 thousand had > > Antioch University as > > secondary designee. You may not clearly understand all the legal > > matters > > involved here yet, but I can assure the current ACAA board you > > have a moral > > obligation to assure any donor that they have a choice to prevent > > any money they > > donate being used for a purpose they do not intend. The only way > > you can do > > this is to clean up the incorporation matter, and post clearly all > > decisions > > of the board. > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > > www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From gerrybello at hotmail.com Wed Aug 1 21:54:41 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Wed Aug 1 22:07:58 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <029e01c7d483$50e556c0$f2b00440$@net> Message-ID: [quote=jdc] tl;dr I will never forget my deep sorrow when I visited the amphitheatre in which I had spent so many happy hours and found it totally trashed; seats missing; and the cyclorama marred by graffiti. For that the Administration and, ultimately, the Board got an F in my book. Inexcusable. And it couldn't easily be blamed on Dr. Dixon and his burgeoning network thirty years earlier. Although many have tried and seem to believe that the University (nee the network) was the Original Sin. J. David Coldren '65[/quote] Of course David doesnt want to blame Dixon... Since he worked in Developement for Dixon after graduation in '65 promoting and building the University System. So he is the one with a Legacy to protect. Then, in 1970: "In 1970, he was named special assistant to Illinois Governor Richard B. Ogilvie, who led the effort reorganize and reform Illinois's antiquated and corrupt criminal justice system. He subsequently served as a senior policy advisor on criminal justice to three other Illinois governors. As the founding Executive Director of the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority under Governor James R. Thompson, Mr. Coldren focused on improving the administration of justice through research, long-range planning, and information technologies." --- quoted from David's Resume (David is right now SCREAMING "But I took that down off the internet in 2005! Where did he get it?".) David... you can hide from google, but you cant hide from me. Of course in his "reforms" of the criminal justice system he failed to even to abolish its death row... or even the use of [url=http://www.truthinjustice.org/jon-burge.htm]torture[/url] to get people there. In 1992 he lost that job....er... resigned.. Because he kept flying 1st class rather than coach on the taxpayer's nickle. [url=http://www.lib.niu.edu/ipo/1992/ii920428.html]He complained that his FAT PIG ASS would not fit in a coach seat.[/url] Very Chicago of him. David lives in this nice big house where he trolls us from. He also owns the house next door. [img]http://coldren.net/images/TFL33and34.gif[/img] I suspect he is hoping to get on the board of Antioch University... replacing anybody who votes against Toni... Along with Jessica and Ted. Dont Piss Off the Hackers David... We know things. Like how you gave money to George Bush... But then again he likes torture... and you care more about lecturing on information technology and law enforcement than human rights. Or you once called the "current orthodoxy" in the media "Defeatist Liberalism" Or that although you lecture on information technology but you have trouble with windows XP. Have a Happy Antioch Day. _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 22:15:16 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 22:28:25 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <58751e9ddb62c09b2076dafa68ed839e@antiochians.org> >"In 1970, he was named special assistant to Illinois Governor Richard B. >Ogilvie, who led the effort reorganize and reform Illinois's antiquated and >corrupt criminal justice system. He subsequently served as a senior policy >advisor on criminal justice to three other Illinois governors. > >As the founding Executive Director of the Illinois Criminal Justice >Information Authority under Governor James R. Thompson, Mr. Coldren focused >on improving the administration of justice through research, long-range >planning, and information technologies." --- quoted from David's Resume >(David is right now SCREAMING "But I took that down off the internet in >2005! Where did he get it?".) David... you can hide from google, but you >cant hide from me. > > >Of course in his "reforms" of the criminal justice system he failed to even >to abolish its death row... or even the use of >http://www.truthinjustice.org/jon-burge.htm]torture to get people >there. > >In 1992 he lost that job....er... resigned.. Because he kept flying 1st >class rather than coach on the taxpayer's nickle. >[url=http://www.lib.niu.edu/ipo/1992/ii920428.html]He complained that his >FAT PIG ASS would not fit in a coach seat.[/url] Very Chicago of him. I can't stop laughing. /Especially/ because I'm from Chicago. And at his Tyron Farm development, you can "build a new house in the country", where "homes range from $218,000 to $488,000." http://www.tryonfarm.com/main.html via http://coldren.net/MichiganCity/index.html I guess he'll be on Toni's board to provide advice on how to redevelop sleepy rural areas into McMansion sprawl. Also humorously, he's capping off a life of public service to Illinois by encouraging people to live in Indiana. Rural Indiana, far from Illinois' and north-west Indiana's crime problems. Gerry for the win! [img]http://www.creative-weblogging.com/50226711/images/winner.jpg[/img] From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 22:17:40 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (praggy (jeffreyterrell@hotmail.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 22:30:50 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4446a5d0f61384667b40afd914596495@antiochians.org> Ooh... a modern contemporary. lol From marklp2 at comcast.net Wed Aug 1 22:19:47 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Wed Aug 1 22:33:05 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <58751e9ddb62c09b2076dafa68ed839e@antiochians.org> References: <58751e9ddb62c09b2076dafa68ed839e@antiochians.org> Message-ID: <019a01c7d4ab$99d57db0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Let us now proceed to purge the non-ideologically pure from our midst. Mark P. '71 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com) Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:15 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 >"In 1970, he was named special assistant to Illinois Governor Richard B. >Ogilvie, who led the effort reorganize and reform Illinois's antiquated and >corrupt criminal justice system. He subsequently served as a senior policy >advisor on criminal justice to three other Illinois governors. > >As the founding Executive Director of the Illinois Criminal Justice >Information Authority under Governor James R. Thompson, Mr. Coldren focused >on improving the administration of justice through research, long-range >planning, and information technologies." --- quoted from David's Resume >(David is right now SCREAMING "But I took that down off the internet in >2005! Where did he get it?".) David... you can hide from google, but you >cant hide from me. > > >Of course in his "reforms" of the criminal justice system he failed to even >to abolish its death row... or even the use of >http://www.truthinjustice.org/jon-burge.htm]torture to get people >there. > >In 1992 he lost that job....er... resigned.. Because he kept flying 1st >class rather than coach on the taxpayer's nickle. >[url=http://www.lib.niu.edu/ipo/1992/ii920428.html]He complained that his >FAT PIG ASS would not fit in a coach seat.[/url] Very Chicago of him. I can't stop laughing. /Especially/ because I'm from Chicago. And at his Tyron Farm development, you can "build a new house in the country", where "homes range from $218,000 to $488,000." http://www.tryonfarm.com/main.html via http://coldren.net/MichiganCity/index.html I guess he'll be on Toni's board to provide advice on how to redevelop sleepy rural areas into McMansion sprawl. Also humorously, he's capping off a life of public service to Illinois by encouraging people to live in Indiana. Rural Indiana, far from Illinois' and north-west Indiana's crime problems. Gerry for the win! [img]http://www.creative-weblogging.com/50226711/images/winner.jpg[/img] _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Visit http://www.Antioch-College.edu today! Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/918 - Release Date: 7/25/2007 2:55 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/918 - Release Date: 7/25/2007 2:55 PM From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 22:36:15 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 22:49:24 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <58751e9ddb62c09b2076dafa68ed839e@antiochians.org> Message-ID: <397ebb0fee57d286dc0c87850036edc3@antiochians.org> As well as being a man of stature, J. David is a dreamer. Here's J. David's redevelopment scheme for the college, complete with fresh ideas about union busting and outsourcing: >Outsource as much of the food services, maintenance, security, landscaping, etc. to the new retail restaurants and other businesses as possible. One hand washes the other. Students will love giving a cut of their room and board fees to multi-national corporations: >The income streams for leasing space to the ALC management company (Marriott, Hyatt, and others are experts in this business now) and the rent from student residential housing in the ALC (which Marriott, at least can do) will both be part of a sustainable income stream to the College. Here's the old-folks home and strip-mall part, because J. David will: >Provide adequate, attractive retail spaces on long-term leases >We also find a nationally recognized developer of assisted living communities. ... They are asked to imagine a clean slate of structures around the core described above and to build clusters of residential homes and retail stores anchored by a state-of-the-art residential assisted living center (services from adult day care, independent living, and assisted living, to Alzheimer?s care, nursing home and hospice) and, if necessary, a clinic. The assisted living center (ALC) structure would also house first-year students with all the dining facilities required for both populations: table service for the seasoned citizens and cafeteria service for the students and the seniors? family and guests. That'll make the little shits behave -- make 'em eat with grandma! Anyone's grandma. J. David, no, this is not passing "the snicker factor," nor the smell test. http://antirecord.org/node/590 >Words of J. David Coldren, Antioch '66, proposing a plan for re-opening Antioch in 2012 and providing particulars about his plan: > >" I think it?s great that we have an endowed chair in peace studies and that students can major in gender-specific studies, but I refuse to believe that the value of a liberal arts education--as defined in the catalogs of the 1960?s with an emphasis on writing skills, broad knowledge in the physical sciences, social sciences, arts, humanities, and languages?is out of date. It seems to me that specialization in a field of study comes way too early in a student?s ?education? these days and that those students are being short-changed. They soon find out how limited are their intellectual underpinnings. > >"So I hope what Antioch will do is, yes, put together a social entrepreneurship program that requires at least two years of rigorous liberal arts classes before the students can get all charged up about turning a co-op job into a full-time activist job thereby aborting their education. > >"So I?m 'down for the struggle' with some minor issues that need clarification. > >"Over the past couple of weeks, I?ve been challenged to come up with some theoretical idea of how Antioch Yellow Springs could quickly reinvent itself and come away in a few years quite alive and with a sustainable revenue stream. In the foregoing, I assume that the faculty?s search for an injunction to save their jobs (and tenure) will fail; the Alumni trying to raise $10 to $40 million will come up far short; and that the College will cease operations next July maintaining only skeletal security, library, and mechanical services. > >"I?ve gone thru quite a few iterations of this. And I want to make clear my idea is not based on one iota of data so I obviously haven?t ?run the numbers? and am relying solely on my 65+ years as a participant/observer plus my passion for the founding spirit of Antioch College. > >" > > 1. We honor the landmark status of North, South, and the Main Building and make whatever repairs and remodeling is required to house the AC administration, CG, the auditorium, faculty offices, and some classrooms. I don?t know if the library needs to be totally rebuilt; same for the science building. Whatever we do it must be handicap (wheelchair) accessible. > > " > 2. We find a developer who has a proven track record in building environmentally-friendly and human-friendly communities. We also find a nationally recognized developer of assisted living communities. The process of finding them may involve brief competitions for concepts, etc. They are asked to imagine a clean slate of structures around the core described above and to build clusters of residential homes and retail stores anchored by a state-of-the-art residential assisted living center (services from adult day care, independent living, and assisted living, to Alzheimer?s care, nursing home and hospice) and, if necessary, a clinic. The assisted living center (ALC) structure would also house first-year students with all the dining facilities required for both populations: table service for the seasoned citizens and cafeteria service for the students and the seniors? family and guests. The students are encouraged to eat with and get to know their elders and vice versa. In my imagination, that would be good for modifying the behaviors of both groups (for the better) and be a real-world, up front look at old age, death and dying and an acquaintance with ALC residents who may well be former faculty, former students, former YSO townies, etc. who love YSO and the Glen and have lots of stories and wisdom to share. There should be some mandatory seminar for all first year students to help them process this experience and maximize the benefits to them. > > " > 3. The income streams for leasing space to the ALC management company (Marriott, Hyatt, and others are experts in this business now) and the rent from student residential housing in the ALC (which Marriott, at least can do) will both be part of a sustainable income stream to the College. > > " > 4. The remaining land is to be configured in ways to: > 1. Minimize land footprints (go up, not out); > 2. Maximize green space and water amenities; > 3. Maintain an architectural coherence; NOT cookie cutter buildings; but also NOT a plate-glass 7-Eleven next to a Tudor structure; > 4. Employ solar energy for common area utilities; > 5. Use constructed wastewater wetlands for sewers and drainage as allowed by Ohio law; > 6. Provide residential units for AC 2nd, 3rd, and 4th-year students and faculty for short-term rent and long-term lease, the student rentals coinciding with Antioch?s academic calendar; > 7. Provide adequate, attractive retail spaces on long-term leases > 8. Provide a performing arts center for AC drama, music, and dance departments as well as for ?town-gown? theatrical productions, concerts, and visiting artist programs; funds for the non-academic portions of the arts center to be raised from private donors; > 9. Minimize maintenance costs to the College; and > 10. Maximize recurring income to sustain the College?s undergraduate education programs. > > " > 5. Outsource as much of the food services, maintenance, security, landscaping, etc. to the new retail restaurants and other businesses as possible. One hand washes the other. > >"My sense is that a greatly improved endowment plus tuition plus the sustained income from leasing the land could pay for the administration, faculty, student scholarships, and maintenance and improvements to the three core buildings plus the performing arts center. > >"To your point of social entrepreneurship, I believe that by linking an assisted living community with an academic institution you greatly enhance in students a natural empathy for America?s demographic imperatives. How do we as a society treat people who lead active lives long past retirement? How do we treat people enmeshed in the epidemic of Alzheimer?s disease? (Who knows? Maybe some entrepreneur will set up an accreditation program for assisted living personnel using Antioch College and the co-op program as a base. That could improve treatment of our elders in due time.) In the meantime, the academic and cultural activities that should take place at a true liberal arts college will greatly enhance the lives of all ALC residents. So we?re already doing good by doing well. > >"To bring my idea to fruition, it needs to pass the ?snicker factor? among the Antioch constituency and then needs to run the gauntlet of endless meetings with the greater Yellow Springs community, alumni, business interests, government funding sources, the Board of Trustees and some major, major donors. (I think some of these recent software gazillionaires might like to start a new college with a social twist.) > >"As for the proposed student body, I would instruct the admissions people to trumpet the revival and to admit only the really smart, the reasonably mature (self-aware at present if still curious about the future), and those seeking a rigorous non-bullshit liberal arts education. We need to recruit a faculty that can deliver that and who can suppress any tendencies to revert to the 60?s or70?s as a cultural template. We may have to pay more for faculty and we may have to discount tuition for the first two years or so to prove the new Antioch Yellow Springs isn?t just smoke and mirrors.. > >Thanks for getting touch, > >J. David Coldren ?65 From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 22:38:21 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 22:51:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <019a01c7d4ab$99d57db0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: >Let us now proceed to purge the non-ideologically pure from our midst. > >Mark P. '71 He started it! I guess I'll just stand here and get purged instead, eh, Mark? Alan From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 22:41:52 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (skooter (skooter3@gmail.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 22:55:01 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <019a01c7d4ab$99d57db0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: <5c94af2898f847e9f9c1ef655a710dd3@antiochians.org> >Let us now proceed to purge the non-ideologically pure from our midst. > >Mark P. '71 Agreed. I know I sound like a broken record, but let's try and respond to arguments and not resort to humiliating or bullying individuals. Skooter From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 22:43:43 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (bdevine (bdevine@antioch-college.edu)) Date: Wed Aug 1 22:56:53 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <86516cda75d705861253fce7a784846c@www.antiochians.org> Message-ID: <10d777ec92115088525ec1cc0d24d280@www.antiochians.org> Beth, It was in 1997 that it was renovated with some funds from the estate of Miles Budd Goodman (for whom it is now named), some money from the MacArthur Foundation, and the sweat equity of dozens of alums participating in the work project who painted the renovated amphitheater and worked on removable benches for the venue. It was the site of the summer theater institute from 97 to 2000, and has once again become a well-known venue for music and theater in the Miami valley. I think there are many in Yellow Springs and among alums who dream of the return of Shakespeare Under the Stars as a regional event. Bob I do not know when your last visit to the Amphitheater was, but as a recent theatre graduate I can tell you it has been refurbished. I believe in 1996. Yes, the before pictures are extraordinarily sad. But I believe it was this state that you refer to, not the present condition. During my time at Antioch the department looked forward with tremendous excitement to the Summer block shows. My memories of Romeo & Juliet in '99 are some of my best from college. We we all greatly saddened when this tradition was allowed to die with the cutting of the Summer Institute Program budgets after Summer 2001. However, this has not stopped the theatre department and the community of Yellow Springs from utilizing the Amphitheater as a valuable resource. The YS Kids Playhouse group uses it as their resident space. Musical performances such as Blues Fest continue to take place. And classes and performances of the Antioch College Theatre Department are regular events. I am dreaming of the day when "Shakespeare Under The Stars" returns to a place as a regional event, bringing faculty, students, community, and audience together. And I am working to make that dream happen. I hope to see you at the next show! I'm nominating "All's Well That Ends Well". -Beth R. '04 From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 22:48:17 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 23:01:26 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <019a01c7d4ab$99d57db0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: <6152d888dcd5471afcc2141c7f025d02@antiochians.org> >Let us now proceed to purge the non-ideologically pure from our midst. > >Mark P. '71 Oh, wait, I forgot: >Also humorously, he's capping off a life of public service to Illinois by >encouraging people to live in Indiana. Rural Indiana, far from Illinois' and >north-west Indiana's crime problems. > >And non-whites. From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 23:14:21 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Gerry Bello (gerrybello@hotmail.com)) Date: Wed Aug 1 23:27:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: <019a01c7d4ab$99d57db0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: >Let us now proceed to purge the non-ideologically pure from our midst. > >Mark P. '71 Do you actually believe this stuff? [img]http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r166/tangentninja/bobsredguardcopy.jpg[/img] From Sistersara at aol.com Wed Aug 1 23:29:34 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 1 23:43:02 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 Message-ID: In a message dated 8/1/2007 9:44:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, alumni-chat_forum@antiochians.org writes: I am dreaming of the day when "Shakespeare Under The Stars" returns to a place as a regional event, bringing faculty, students, community, and audience together. And I am working to make that dream happen. I hope to see you at the next show! I'm nominating "All's Well That Ends Well". -Beth R. '04 Beth, Shakespeare Under the Stars -- and I think one way or another I saw all the plays (beginning with King John), either by being in the audience, or sitting on the lawn and watching rehearsals. At the time Antioch had perhaps four tenured members of the Theatre Department, but the majority of the roles were played by professional actors from New York and other places, and they were paid Union Scale. Students understudied, did production, dealt with ticketing and all -- and of course made costumes and all -- but essentially it was a full blown professional production effort. You didn't get theatre bus tours coming in from New York, having read the Times Reviews, because something amateur was being done. The Amphitheater was hardly an adequate replacement for the stage of those days -- It was a seven level thrust structure constructed of beams and platforms against the face of Main Building, that made use of windows in the towers for entrances and exits. (this was before Main Building was gutted and restored.) And while Main Building was never exactly Tudor, once it got a little dark and the lighting people did their thing with our Towers, it was totally theatrical. I always thought the amphitheater a rather piss poor replacement for that stage. For some things it is great -- but it was never for Shakespeare. I have always wondered if anyone filmed any of the plays? (no Video in those days). ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 23:47:02 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (bdevine (bdevine@antioch-college.edu)) Date: Thu Aug 2 00:00:12 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Let us now proceed to purge the non-ideologically pure from our midst. Mark P. '71 He started it! I guess I'll just stand here and get purged instead, eh, Mark? Folks, I can laugh at the image of me as a wizard, I can rankle at being compared to Tom Delay, and I still roll on the floor when I see the bunny with the pancake on its head. But I'm more than a little uncomfortable with the ad hominems directed toward David. I've known David since we were both undergraduates, and though most often I find myself 180 degrees at odds with his perspectives, I've always respected David, have valued my conversations and interactions with him, and most of the time have learned something from him. Like most good Antiochians, David challenges assumptions, reframes the discourse, tweaks the posers and pretenders and applies critical reason to the conventional wisdoms. Sometimes he makes me mad as hell, and pushes me beyond civility, but his contributions to this discourse ought to be as thoroughly and critically examined and evaluated as any and all others. When I see David's house posted along with the very personal stuff, I feel compelled to respond. The only time I saw an image of my home in an e-mail message, it was from a cop, angry that Mumia Abu Jamal was going to be permitted to speak at Antioch's commencement. The words accompanying the image said, "I know where you live, I've seen you in your bedroom window, you're dead meat." The image was such an unimaginable invasion and threat that it still haunts me. I would not like for anyone else to experience that sense of violation of personal space, and I would not like to see the dialogue devolve to personal attack. If my expressed anger precipitated these ad hominem attacks, I sincerely apologize. I would hope that we could deal with differences with good humor and civility. There is so much to be done, and it will require all of us to meet the challenges ahead. Bob From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Wed Aug 1 23:57:22 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (klpett (klpett@sbcglobal.net)) Date: Thu Aug 2 00:10:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Int'l Support Antioch Wknd Aug 17-19 Update! Message-ID: <68a2df8233ba2ef9dd42744e759074f3@antiochians.org> We are excited to hear about the many upcoming events during the International Support Antioch College Weekend August 17-19. What you are doing is very valuable in our efforts to save Antioch College. To help you prepare for your event, we have put up a Basic Guide, or Talking Points, about the College Revival Fund, a pledge card, both of which may be copied for distribution, and a press release template on the Antiochians.org website under "Chapters." Many of us are recording our events through video and still photography as well. This weekend is a celebration of all things Antioch College. It is important, not only to raise money for the College Revival fund, but to also garner media attention for our struggle, to show the Board of Trustees that there is a very active, involved Alumni Association worldwide - and, to have fun! So many of us have been giving countless hours in volunteer work and organizing. In our effort to gain national attention, it is important that you please forward news about what your chapter is organizing to both the Chapters and Marketing sub-committees. Contact information is at the end of this communication. As you are no doubt aware, the College Revival Fund was put in place at the historic 2007 Antioch College Reunion, to support the unanimous resolution of the Alumni Association to fight to keep the College open past its proposed closing of June 2008 (to see the full resolution, please visit Antiochians.org). We currently have over $625,000 in the College Revival fund and over $2,000,000 in expressions of intent. Let?s see how much more we can raise before the Board of Trustees meeting on August 25! Thank you everyone for your time, effort, and passion for Antioch College. Let?s make this happen in a really big way and be ashamed to let it die! In solidarity, Kristen Pett ?90 Alumni Board Member Aimee Maruyama, Co-Chair Chapters Sub-Committee amaruyama@antioch-college.edu Karen Mulhauser, Co-Chair Chapters Sub-Committee kmulhauser@consultingwoman.com Christian Feuerstein, Marketing Sub-Committee christian.feuerstein@gmail.com Kristen Pett, Marketing Sub-Committee klpett@sbcglobal.net From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Thu Aug 2 00:34:15 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Gerry Bello (gerrybello@hotmail.com)) Date: Thu Aug 2 00:47:26 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2c1ce6e0f2a4ef58256ce7f758884774@www.antiochians.org> >Let us now proceed to purge the non-ideologically pure from our midst. > >Mark P. '71 >He started it! > >I guess I'll just stand here and get purged instead, eh, Mark? > >Folks, > >I can laugh at the image of me as a wizard, I can rankle at being compared to Tom Delay, and I still roll on the floor when I see the bunny with the pancake on its head. But I'm more than a little uncomfortable with the ad hominems directed toward David. I've known David since we were both undergraduates, and though most often I find myself 180 degrees at odds with his perspectives, I've always respected David, have valued my conversations and interactions with him, and most of the time have learned something from him. Like most good Antiochians, David challenges assumptions, reframes the discourse, tweaks the posers and pretenders and applies critical reason to the conventional wisdoms. Sometimes he makes me mad as hell, and pushes me beyond civility, but his contributions to this discourse ought to be as thoroughly and critically examined and evaluated as any and all others. > >When I see David's house posted along with the very personal stuff, I feel compelled to respond. The only time I saw an image of my home in an e-mail message, it was from a cop, angry that Mumia Abu Jamal was going to be permitted to speak at Antioch's commencement. The words accompanying the image said, "I know where you live, I've seen you in your bedroom window, you're dead meat." The image was such an unimaginable invasion and threat that it still haunts me. I would not like for anyone else to experience that sense of violation of personal space, and I would not like to see the dialogue devolve to personal attack. > >If my expressed anger precipitated these ad hominem attacks, I sincerely apologize. I would hope that we could deal with differences with good humor and civility. There is so much to be done, and it will require all of us to meet the challenges ahead. > >Bob Bob, I'd just like to point out that the picture of his house is from his own website... coldren.net its on the front page. He put it online. I just linked it. There is some implied consent there. The cop got your home picture from the county tax assessors office. From Sistersara at aol.com Thu Aug 2 00:49:41 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 2 01:03:01 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] correction from katy cobb jako Message-ID: In a message dated 8/1/2007 8:49:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, alumni-chat_forum@antiochians.org writes: In fact, drumroll please, the offending data was provided by...Sistersara! To wit (and please notice that Sistersara is *responding*to my kvetching: and yes -- a check for 160 something was delivered by the AA Board at that event, and some of the money was advertised in a PR release as coming from AIF. And that was the emphases of the Press releases of the period, resulting in articles that credited AIF with the big check. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Thu Aug 2 01:21:36 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (Matthew Baya (matt@baya.net)) Date: Thu Aug 2 01:34:45 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] correction from katy cobb jako In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <33b5e8f6b2799f5f63db404c31adc05b@www.antiochians.org> FYI - Isle Moon posted the final AIF report about a month ago. You can read it here: http://www.antiochians.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=18747 From alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org Thu Aug 2 01:49:06 2007 From: alumni-chat_forum at antiochians.org (alanbenard (alanbenard@pobox.com)) Date: Thu Aug 2 02:02:18 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Fund Needs - by Yazz Allen '66 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5e7d78302d6916a6ec33a76bbde4f436@antiochians.org> >Let us now proceed to purge the non-ideologically pure from our midst. > >Mark P. '71 >He started it! > >I guess I'll just stand here and get purged instead, eh, Mark? > >Folks, > >I can laugh at the image of me as a wizard, I can rankle at being compared to Tom Delay, and I still roll on the floor when I see the bunny with the pancake on its head. But I'm more than a little uncomfortable with the ad hominems directed toward David. My burning anger comes from the fact that there are loud and powerful alumni who would be very happy if people like me just dried up and blew away. I take this ceaseless complaining about -- oh, let's call it post-'73 alumni -- very personally. Speaking only for myself, that's where the urge to shine some light on one of the our harshest critics comes from. If it has gone too far, well then it should stop. However. I defend my highlighting of J. David's odious plans to commercialize the campus, which he posted up himself. People need to see where these ideas are coming from -- the ideas and the presumed financial support for these ideas that give Chancellor Murdock the courage to jackhandle the trustees into destroying the college. Especially when -- after proposing a completely fanciful legal process by which the closure might be stopped and the university re-organized -- David's ideological friends levy the charge of murder against me. Me, some schmuck with a keyboard and a few ideas, has managed to tap into a huge, festering boil of hatred toward me, my friends, years and years of Antiochians dehumanized and ridiculed in the New York Times as toxic. Damn right he started it first. Political purges are ugly and that is what is underway. Art, Toni, call off your dogs, be they in the president's office or in some northern-central state. If you're serious about having a college to complain about in four years, stop stonewalling, stop attacking, stop hating. You are not going to have it all your way. I understand there's