[Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 2, Issue 7
Patricia Arlin
trixfrig at ix.netcom.com
Sat Apr 28 15:13:19 EDT 2007
Oh my lord, don't you people have something more interesting to talk
about than whether someone has a typo or grammatical error in an email?
do you really think that typos are the foundationn of Antioch's
troubles and that proper syntax will save the college? sheesh.
If you don't like the way something is written then you could, gee I
dunno, NOT READ IT.
Trisha Arlin, '75
On Apr 28, 2007, at 3:02 PM, Madeline Lance wrote:
> Duffy and others:
>
> Personally, I find sloppy grammar and spelling a real turn-off. Isn't
> writing well an Antioch hallmark -- the very foundation of an Antioch
> education. It would give me pause as a parent to see such 'sloppy'
> messages on this post. Just thought I would share my thoughts.....
>
> Madeline Lance (now in Arizona)
> 15-year Antioch employee
> and non-traditional graduate of the college ('03)
>
>
>
> alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu on Saturday, April 28, 2007 at 2:19 AM
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>> 1. Re: A plea from an alum (Yazz D. Atlas)
>> 2. Re: A plea from an alum (Matthew Arnold)
>> 3. Re: A plea from an alum (Steven Duffy)
>> 4. Re: A plea from an alum (Stephanie Scott)
>> 5. RE: A plea from an alum (J. Lawrence Smith)
>> 6. RE: A plea from an alum (J. Lawrence Smith)
>> 7. Fwd: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King (Steven Duffy)
>> 8. How much grammar? Those who care are NOT Nazis! (Michael Brower)
>> 9. Fwd: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King (Michael Brower)
>> 10. Re: How much grammar? Those who care are NOT Nazis!
>> (Sistersara at aol.com)
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>> From: "Yazz D. Atlas" <yazz at 230volts.net>
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>> To: Alumni Chat List <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
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>> In-Reply-To: <LAECIDLJIAOPGGEKGEJKEEGGCCAA.smith_jl at bellsouth.net>
>> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:01:52 -0700
>> Reply-To: Alumni Chat List <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
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>> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>> Message: 1
>>
>> Well if you really want me to send you my e-mail to you for spelling
>> =20
>> and grammar corrections, great! Being dyslexic and e-mail don't mix
>> =20
>> well. Its the main reason why I normally lurk in the background =20
>> instead of submitting any e-mails to the [Alumni-chat]. I'm not =20
>> trying to make light of the fact that poor spelling and grammar look
>> =20
>> bad. Its just not that easy for some of us to correct on our own. =20
>> While I was a student and required to write papers I relied on others
>> =20=
>>
>> to check for me. Even today I do that with co-workers. I still have
>> =20
>> a hard time, leaving whole parts of sentences out even. In my head I
>> =20
>> complete the sentence but it never makes it to the paper. When I
>> re-=20
>> read what I have typed it looks good to me. While in fact its missing
>> =20=
>>
>> words and might be full of mistakes. Spellcheckers help and so does
>> =20
>> Text to Speech tools. They kinda sounds like Steven Hawkins, now if
>> =20
>> only I could write as well as he does...
>>
>> Oh a side note, for some fun reading this: http://www.mrc-=20
>> cbu.cam.ac.uk/~mattd/Cmabrigde/
>>
>> -Yazz D. Atlas 1997
>>
>> (PS: Here is some perl code to generate your own scrambled text: =20
>> http://www.jwz.org/hacks/scrmable.pl )
>>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2007, at 3:34 PM, J. Lawrence Smith wrote:
>>
>>> People,
>>>
>>> Please, please, please check your posts before you hit the send =20
>>> button.
>>> Spellchecker is a wonderful tool, but even it doesn=92t prevent =20
>>> improper grammar
>>> usage and strange (unconventional) sentence structure from being =20
>>> sent out into
>>> the ether.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>> From: Matthew Arnold <marnoldtk at yahoo.com>
>> Precedence: list
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>> To: Alumni Chat List <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:04:13 -0700 (PDT)
>> Reply-To: Alumni Chat List <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>> Message-ID: <152040.41142.qm at web53406.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>> Message: 2
>>
>> I do a fair amount of editing of other people's writing in my line
>> of=0Awor=
>> k -- captains of industry, heads of ginormous communications
>> firms,=0Aaccom=
>> plished medical and scientific professionals and other=0Acuriosities.
>> And
>> I=
>> 'm here to tell you, there's lots of
>> highly-degreed,=0Ahighly-compensated, =
>> silly powerful people out there who couldn't spell,=0Apunctuate,
>> capitalize=
>> or just plain write their way through a Dick and=0AJane Adventure,
>> especia=
>> lly in email. So far I really haven't seen=0Aanything on this list to
>> call =
>> out the grammar police for. Standards of=0Agrammatical acceptability
>> are
>> sl=
>> ipping in this age of instant textual=0Acommunication, and frankly,
>> that's =
>> a trend I'd like to see continue.=0APuts food on the table.
>> =0A=0A=0A=0AMat=
>> t '99=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: J. Lawrence Smith
>> <smith_jl@=
>> bellsouth.net>=0ATo: alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu=0ASent: Thursday,
>> April
>> 26,=
>> 2007 6:34:54 PM=0ASubject: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an
>> alum=0A=0APeople,=
>> =0A=0APlease, please, please check your posts before you hit the send
>> butto=
>> n.=0ASpellchecker is a wonderful tool, but even it doesn=92t prevent
>> improp=
>> er grammar=0Ausage and strange (unconventional) sentence structure
>> from
>> bei=
>> ng sent out into=0Athe ether.=0A=0AI have been dismayed (appalled is
>> perhap=
>> s too strong) at some of the things I=92ve=0Aread coming from some of
>> my
>> fe=
>> llow Antiochians in the past weeks. It is not the=0Acontent of what
>> has
>> bee=
>> n said, but the sloppy way in which it has been=0Apresented.=0A=0A
>> Just
>> as =
>> there have been many requests to tone down the negative
>> attitudes,=0Aexpres=
>> sions and opinions in order not to turn off prospective parents
>> and=0Astude=
>> nts from choosing Antioch, so do I now ask that we take the time to
>> put=0Af=
>> orth a better image of what an Antioch education might produce by
>> paying
>> cl=
>> oser=0Aattention to what we write in this and any other
>> medium.=0A=0ABoth
>> o=
>> f my sons opted for schools, which, in their own ways, could be
>> considered=
>> =0Athe antithesis of Antioch, so YSO was never in the running when we
>> were =
>> looking=0Afor schools. However, if we were still in that process I
>> would
>> be=
>> very hesitant=0Ato put forth some of the writings on this board as an
>> exam=
>> ple to them of what=0Athey might expect from an Antioch
>> education.=0A=0AI=
>> =92m not talking about the popular shorthand like =93UR=94 for =93you
>> are=
>> =94. I=92m=0Areferring to blatant misspelling and misuse of the
>> English
>> la=
>> nguage as well as=0Acareless typing. I am from a generation where
>> things
>> li=
>> ke proper spelling and=0Agrammar are the least of the things expected
>> of
>> co=
>> llege graduates. Perhaps that=0Ais not as important today, but I
>> don=92t
>> th=
>> ink I=92m too far off the mark when I say=0Athat there is at least one
>> pros=
>> pective parent who has been unimpressed enough=0Awith some of the
>> careless =
>> writing on this board to want to dissuade his/her=0Achild from
>> considering =
>> Antioch.=0A=0ASo please just take a little time to look over what
>> you=92ve =
>> written before you=0Asend it. Whether what you share here is
>> positive or
>> n=
>> egative, at least make it=0Areadable.=0A=0AJL Smith=0AYSO
>> =9172=0A=0A(And
>> I=
>> said a little prayer that I haven=92t overlooked some dunderheaded
>> error=
>> =0Awhile lambasting others to be careful)
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>> From: "Steven Duffy" <duffy at antioch-college.edu>
>> Precedence: list
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Cc: "Alumni Chat List" <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>> To: "Alumni Chat List" <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>> References: <6CA2E60F-167F-4AB5-A86E-32285148F846 at 230volts.net>
>> In-Reply-To: <6CA2E60F-167F-4AB5-A86E-32285148F846 at 230volts.net>
>> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:23:28 -0400
>> Reply-To: Alumni Chat List <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
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>> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>> Message: 3
>>
>> Attention pompous grammar nazis......chat is chat and that is that.
>>
>> This is an informal discussion and does not "hafta" be grammatically
>> perfect. You take yourself way too seriously.
>>
>> Sanctimonious grammar nazis..please give yourself and the rest of us a
>> break. Some of us are multitasking and have
>>
>> older eyes..... and don't have time to compose a perfect and stodgy
>> post. Lighten up.
>>
>> Duffy '77
>>
>>
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>> From: "Stephanie Scott" <stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk>
>> Precedence: list
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> To: "Alumni Chat List" <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>> References: <6CA2E60F-167F-4AB5-A86E-32285148F846 at 230volts.net>
>> <fc.005b8ffc0294b04f3b9aca004ed116d8.294b0c2 at mcgregor.edu>
>> In-Reply-To:
>> <fc.005b8ffc0294b04f3b9aca004ed116d8.294b0c2 at mcgregor.edu>
>> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:36:44 +0100
>> Reply-To: Alumni Chat List <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>> Message-ID: <2BA1540C27924EC4BA9B3C67E19849A6 at Stephanie>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>> Message: 4
>>
>> All sympathy to the dyslexics among us, and it is true that a lot of
>> dyslexics are quite talented and successful, but I agree with the
>> grammar
>> grad - he isn't a nazi. I know email is less formal than other forms
>> of
>> communication but a little more care and attention to spelling,
>> grammar
>> and
>> punctuation would not go amiss. He is right; it is what we should
>> expect
>> of
>> a college grad. And I know I make mistakes, before anyone calls me
>> pompous
>> too!
>>
>> Leave grammar guy alone - he is well intentioned and he makes a good
>> point.
>>
>> Steph
>> '89
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steven Duffy" <duffy at antioch-college.edu>
>> To: "Alumni Chat List" <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>> Cc: "Alumni Chat List" <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>>
>>
>> Attention pompous grammar nazis......chat is chat and that is that.
>>
>> This is an informal discussion and does not "hafta" be grammatically
>> perfect. You take yourself way too seriously.
>>
>> Sanctimonious grammar nazis..please give yourself and the rest of us a
>> break. Some of us are multitasking and have
>>
>> older eyes..... and don't have time to compose a perfect and stodgy
>> post. Lighten up.
>>
>> Duffy '77
>>
>>
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>> From: "J. Lawrence Smith" <smith_jl at bellsouth.net>
>> Precedence: list
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> To: "Alumni Chat List" <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>> In-Reply-To:
>> <fc.005b8ffc0294b04f3b9aca004ed116d8.294b0c2 at mcgregor.edu>
>> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:41:07 -0400
>> Reply-To: Alumni Chat List <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>> Message-ID: <LAECIDLJIAOPGGEKGEJKMEGICCAA.smith_jl at bellsouth.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset="iso-8859-1"
>> Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>> Message: 5
>>
>> Whatever....
>>
>> You obviously missed my point.
>>
>> The End.
>>
>> JL '72 (which probably makes my eyes older than yours)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: alumni-chat-bounces at w3.antioch.edu
>> [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces at w3.antioch.edu]On Behalf Of Steven Duffy
>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:23 AM
>> To: Alumni Chat List
>> Cc: Alumni Chat List
>> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>>
>> Attention pompous grammar nazis......chat is chat and that is that.
>>
>> This is an informal discussion and does not "hafta" be grammatically
>> perfect. You take yourself way too seriously.
>>
>> Sanctimonious grammar nazis..please give yourself and the rest of us a
>> break. Some of us are multitasking and have
>>
>> older eyes..... and don't have time to compose a perfect and stodgy
>> post. Lighten up.
>>
>> Duffy '77
>>
>>
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>> From: "J. Lawrence Smith" <smith_jl at bellsouth.net>
>> Precedence: list
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> To: "Alumni Chat List" <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>> In-Reply-To: <2BA1540C27924EC4BA9B3C67E19849A6 at Stephanie>
>> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:43:22 -0400
>> Reply-To: Alumni Chat List <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>> Message-ID: <LAECIDLJIAOPGGEKGEJKEEGJCCAA.smith_jl at bellsouth.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset="iso-8859-1"
>> Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>> Message: 6
>>
>> And you obviously DID get my point.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: alumni-chat-bounces at w3.antioch.edu
>> [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces at w3.antioch.edu]On Behalf Of Stephanie
>> Scott
>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:37 AM
>> To: Alumni Chat List
>> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>>
>> All sympathy to the dyslexics among us, and it is true that a lot of
>> dyslexics are quite talented and successful, but I agree with the
>> grammar
>> grad - he isn't a nazi. I know email is less formal than other forms
>> of
>> communication but a little more care and attention to spelling,
>> grammar
>> and
>> punctuation would not go amiss. He is right; it is what we should
>> expect
>> of
>> a college grad. And I know I make mistakes, before anyone calls me
>> pompous
>> too!
>>
>> Leave grammar guy alone - he is well intentioned and he makes a good
>> point.
>>
>> Steph
>> '89
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steven Duffy" <duffy at antioch-college.edu>
>> To: "Alumni Chat List" <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>> Cc: "Alumni Chat List" <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>>
>>
>> Attention pompous grammar nazis......chat is chat and that is that.
>>
>> This is an informal discussion and does not "hafta" be grammatically
>> perfect. You take yourself way too seriously.
>>
>> Sanctimonious grammar nazis..please give yourself and the rest of us a
>> break. Some of us are multitasking and have
>>
>> older eyes..... and don't have time to compose a perfect and stodgy
>> post. Lighten up.
>>
>> Duffy '77
>>
>>
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>> From: "Steven Duffy" <duffy at antioch-college.edu>
>> Precedence: list
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>> Cc:
>> To: everette.freeman at asurams.edu, wilburn22701 at earthlink.net,
>> fredera at juniata.edu, teubanks at austinvoices.org, tganges at umflint.edu,
>> inafrank at adelphia.net, ncrow at penberg.com, ncrow1 at msn.com,
>> alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu
>> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:47:58 -0400
>> Reply-To: Alumni Chat List <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>> Message-ID: <fc.005b8ffc0294c30b005b8ffc0294bdf5.294c397 at mcgregor.edu>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King
>> Message: 7
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> Friday, April 27, 2007 10:14:11 AM
>> Urgent Pulse
>> From: Dana Patterson
>> Subject: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King
>> To: Pulse
>> Announcements
>>
>> Today would have been the 80th birthday of the late Coretta Scott
>> King.
>> She left those of us at Antioch College a wonderful gift in her name
>> and
>> her legacy through the CSKC for Cultural and Intellectual Freedom.
>> As we
>> contemplate our many freedoms today, be mindful of those who dedicated
>> (and continue to do so) their lives to our collective freedom. Today
>> be
>> especially mindful of Coretta Scott King and the example she provided
>> in a
>> life of courage, dignity and respect for others across difference. I
>> am
>> including a brief bio (just in case).
>>
>> Peace,
>> Dana
>>
>>
>> Mrs. Coretta Scott King
>> Human Rights Activist and Leader
>> ~
>> Biographical Information
>> ~
>> Coretta Scott King was one of the most influential women leaders of
>> our
>> time. Prepared by her family, education, and personality for a life
>> committed to social justice and peace, she entered the world stage in
>> 1955
>> as wife of the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and as a leading
>> participant in the American Civil Rights Movement. Her remarkable
>> partnership with Dr. King resulted not only in four talented
>> children, but
>> in a life devoted to the highest values of human dignity in service to
>> social change. Mrs. King traveled throughout our nation and world
>> speaking
>> out on behalf of racial and economic justice, women's and children's
>> rights, gay and lesbian dignity, religious freedom, the needs of the
>> poor
>> and homeless, full-employment, health care, educational opportunities,
>> nuclear disarmament and ecological sanity.
>> Born and raised in Marion, Alabama, Coretta Scott graduated
>> valedictorian
>> from Lincoln High School. She received a B.A. in music and education
>> from
>> Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio, and then went on to study
>> concert
>> singing at Boston's New England Conservatory of Music, where she
>> earned a
>> degree in voice and violin. While in Boston she met Martin Luther
>> King,
>> Jr. who was then studying for his doctorate in systematic theology at
>> Boston University. They were married on June 18, 1953.
>> During Dr. King's career, Mrs. King devoted most of her time to
>> raising
>> their four children: Yolanda Denise (1955), Martin Luther, III (1957),
>> Dexter Scott (1961), and Bernice Albertine (1963). From the earliest
>> days,
>> however, she balanced mothering and movement work, speaking before
>> church,
>> civic, college, fraternal and peace groups.~
>> After her husband's assassination in 1968, Mrs. King devoted much of
>> her
>> energy and attention to developing programs and building the
>> Atlanta-based
>> Martin Luther King, Jr. Center for Nonviolent Social Change as a
>> living
>> memorial to her husband's life and dream. Mrs. King spearheaded the
>> massive educational and lobbying campaign to establish Dr. King's
>> birthday
>> as a national holiday. In 1983, an act of Congress instituted the
>> Martin
>> Luther King, Jr. Federal Holiday Commission, which she chaired for its
>> duration. And in January 1986, Mrs. King oversaw the first legal
>> holiday
>> in honor of her husband--a holiday which has come to be celebrated by
>> millions of people world-wide and, in some form, in over 100
>> countries.
>> Coretta Scott King departed this life on January 30, 2006.
>> ~
>>
>> Dana Murray Patterson, PhD
>> Director, Coretta Scott King Center for
>> Cultural and Intellectual Freedom and
>> Special Assistant to the President for Institutional Diversity
>> Antioch College, Yellow Springs, Ohio
>> (937) 769-1785 office
>> dpatterson at antioch-college.edu
>>
>>
>>
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>> Cc: Michael Brower <mbrower32 at comcast.net>
>> To: alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu
>> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:30:36 -0400
>> Reply-To: Alumni Chat List <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
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>> Subject: [Alumni-chat] How much grammar? Those who care are NOT
>> Nazis!
>> Message: 8
>>
>> Hey, Duffy, old friend, and you other youngsters not around during
>> the Nazi era! Please, please, please do not weaken and cheapen the
>> meaning and legacy of Nazis by applying their uniquely horrible
>> behavior to those who write to request better grammar in our writing.
>>
>> THe Nazis under Hitler created concentration camps and gas ovens and
>> killed at least 6 million Jews and hundreds of thousands of Russians,
>> French, british and US troops. The term Nazi should be reserved to
>> represent the horrors of genocide and of letting a country slide into
>> Fascism. (Which, by-the-way the US is on the path towards. I am
>> currently writing my speech on Impeaching the Pres and VP for
>> tomorrow's citizen's rally in Boston - but that;s another topic.)
>>
>> Duffy and others: How about a tough but less historically meaning-
>> loaded term, like: "grammar police?"
>>
>> On how much attention to grammar and spelling on this chat board? I
>> am in the middle - torn between both sides. I have a dyslexic
>> daughter who knows she must get proof reading help, and sometimes
>> does. I myself don't always take enough time to proof read what I
>> write. However, lets all remember that prospies and their parents
>> are also reading here, and some are wondering about the quality of
>> Antioch education. Like it or not, we are its reps.
>>
>> Regards to all,
>>
>> Mike Brower '55
>>
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>> Cc: Michael Brower <mbrower32 at comcast.net>
>> To: alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu
>> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:44:12 -0400
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>> Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King
>> Message: 9
>>
>> Hi, Dana,
>>
>> Thanks for posting the reminder to us of our fellow Alumna Coretta
>> Scott King, of her Birthday 80 years ago today, and of the great
>> legacy she left for us and all the people of the world. I had the
>> honor of being in the Kelly Hall audience at Reunioin almost 3 years
>> ago and hear her address at Antioch. What a beautiful, intelligent,
>> courageous and gracious woman! She is one of the various reasons I
>> am so proud to be an Antiochian. And in that speech she gave Antioch
>> great credit for helping her move from the small town south to the
>> modern urban but only partly integrated world. As you well know,
>> many biographers and others have given her a big chunk of credit for
>> helping Martin Luther King, Jr. move beyond his initial focus on
>> discrimination in the south to embracing the anti-war movement (in
>> Vietnam War times) and against discrimination and violence world
>> wide. How we need the minds and hearts and courage of both of them
>> now, in these times so filled with prejudice and imperialism and war
>> and violence today. We would all do well to read their words, study
>> their history, and pledge to try to make our own lives a model of
>> their courage and leadership.
>>
>> -- Mike Brower '55
>>
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>> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] How much grammar? Those who care are NOT
>> Nazis!
>> Message: 10
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 4/27/2007 12:24:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> mbrower32 at comcast.net writes:
>>
>> The term Nazi should be reserved to
>> represent the horrors of genocide and of letting a country slide into
>> Fascism. (Which, by-the-way the US is on the path towards. I am
>> currently writing my speech on Impeaching the Pres and VP for
>> tomorrow's citizen's rally in Boston - but that;s another topic.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, NAZI is a forshortening of NSDAP, which translates as the
>> National
>>
>> Socialist German Workers' Party.
>>
>> It didn't slide into Fascism -- it was the German form of Fascism from
>> the
>> get go.
>>
>> And it does not necessarily stand for genocide. Racism (Culture and
>> Religion miscomprehended as race) was central to it, but it was not
>> the
>> only
>> possible outcome of the ideology.
>>
>> Personally, these days while it is not all that well understood for
>> lack
>> of
>> historical memory, I prefer the use of the term NASSI as a short lived
>> stupid
>> notion for what to call authoritarian totalitarianism. When the
>> Berlin
>> Wall
>> came crashing down, but before the "Volk" got around to crashing into
>> the
>>
>> Stasi headquarters, the E. German Government briefly changed the name
>> of
>> the
>> "security police" to NASSI -- and then everyone had a great laugh as
>> to
>> how the
>> former Stasi could be so stupid with their name change.
>>
>> The Gestapo lived for 12 years -- the Stasi for over 40. We as
>> Americans
>> ought to be able to say what we mean without badly muddling German
>> History,
>> references and the names of things. Why not just talk about the
>> Klan?
>>
>>
>>
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