[Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 2, Issue 7
Madeline Lance
mlance at antioch-college.edu
Sat Apr 28 15:02:04 EDT 2007
Duffy and others:
Personally, I find sloppy grammar and spelling a real turn-off. Isn't
writing well an Antioch hallmark -- the very foundation of an Antioch
education. It would give me pause as a parent to see such 'sloppy'
messages on this post. Just thought I would share my thoughts.....
Madeline Lance (now in Arizona)
15-year Antioch employee
and non-traditional graduate of the college ('03)
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> 1. Re: A plea from an alum (Yazz D. Atlas)
> 2. Re: A plea from an alum (Matthew Arnold)
> 3. Re: A plea from an alum (Steven Duffy)
> 4. Re: A plea from an alum (Stephanie Scott)
> 5. RE: A plea from an alum (J. Lawrence Smith)
> 6. RE: A plea from an alum (J. Lawrence Smith)
> 7. Fwd: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King (Steven Duffy)
> 8. How much grammar? Those who care are NOT Nazis! (Michael Brower)
> 9. Fwd: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King (Michael Brower)
> 10. Re: How much grammar? Those who care are NOT Nazis!
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>From: "Yazz D. Atlas" <yazz at 230volts.net>
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>In-Reply-To: <LAECIDLJIAOPGGEKGEJKEEGGCCAA.smith_jl at bellsouth.net>
>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:01:52 -0700
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>Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>Message: 1
>
>Well if you really want me to send you my e-mail to you for spelling =20
>and grammar corrections, great! Being dyslexic and e-mail don't mix =20
>well. Its the main reason why I normally lurk in the background =20
>instead of submitting any e-mails to the [Alumni-chat]. I'm not =20
>trying to make light of the fact that poor spelling and grammar look =20
>bad. Its just not that easy for some of us to correct on our own. =20
>While I was a student and required to write papers I relied on others =20=
>
>to check for me. Even today I do that with co-workers. I still have =20
>a hard time, leaving whole parts of sentences out even. In my head I =20
>complete the sentence but it never makes it to the paper. When I re-=20
>read what I have typed it looks good to me. While in fact its missing =20=
>
>words and might be full of mistakes. Spellcheckers help and so does =20
>Text to Speech tools. They kinda sounds like Steven Hawkins, now if =20
>only I could write as well as he does...
>
>Oh a side note, for some fun reading this: http://www.mrc-=20
>cbu.cam.ac.uk/~mattd/Cmabrigde/
>
>-Yazz D. Atlas 1997
>
>(PS: Here is some perl code to generate your own scrambled text: =20
>http://www.jwz.org/hacks/scrmable.pl )
>
>
>On Apr 26, 2007, at 3:34 PM, J. Lawrence Smith wrote:
>
>> People,
>>
>> Please, please, please check your posts before you hit the send =20
>> button.
>> Spellchecker is a wonderful tool, but even it doesn=92t prevent =20
>> improper grammar
>> usage and strange (unconventional) sentence structure from being =20
>> sent out into
>> the ether.
>>
>>
>
>
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>From: Matthew Arnold <marnoldtk at yahoo.com>
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>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:04:13 -0700 (PDT)
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>Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>Message: 2
>
>I do a fair amount of editing of other people's writing in my line
>of=0Awor=
>k -- captains of industry, heads of ginormous communications
>firms,=0Aaccom=
>plished medical and scientific professionals and other=0Acuriosities. And
>I=
>'m here to tell you, there's lots of
>highly-degreed,=0Ahighly-compensated, =
>silly powerful people out there who couldn't spell,=0Apunctuate,
>capitalize=
> or just plain write their way through a Dick and=0AJane Adventure,
>especia=
>lly in email. So far I really haven't seen=0Aanything on this list to
>call =
>out the grammar police for. Standards of=0Agrammatical acceptability are
>sl=
>ipping in this age of instant textual=0Acommunication, and frankly,
>that's =
>a trend I'd like to see continue.=0APuts food on the table.
>=0A=0A=0A=0AMat=
>t '99=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: J. Lawrence Smith
><smith_jl@=
>bellsouth.net>=0ATo: alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu=0ASent: Thursday, April
>26,=
> 2007 6:34:54 PM=0ASubject: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an
>alum=0A=0APeople,=
>=0A=0APlease, please, please check your posts before you hit the send
>butto=
>n.=0ASpellchecker is a wonderful tool, but even it doesn=92t prevent
>improp=
>er grammar=0Ausage and strange (unconventional) sentence structure from
>bei=
>ng sent out into=0Athe ether.=0A=0AI have been dismayed (appalled is
>perhap=
>s too strong) at some of the things I=92ve=0Aread coming from some of my
>fe=
>llow Antiochians in the past weeks. It is not the=0Acontent of what has
>bee=
>n said, but the sloppy way in which it has been=0Apresented.=0A=0A Just
>as =
>there have been many requests to tone down the negative
>attitudes,=0Aexpres=
>sions and opinions in order not to turn off prospective parents
>and=0Astude=
>nts from choosing Antioch, so do I now ask that we take the time to
>put=0Af=
>orth a better image of what an Antioch education might produce by paying
>cl=
>oser=0Aattention to what we write in this and any other medium.=0A=0ABoth
>o=
>f my sons opted for schools, which, in their own ways, could be
>considered=
>=0Athe antithesis of Antioch, so YSO was never in the running when we
>were =
>looking=0Afor schools. However, if we were still in that process I would
>be=
> very hesitant=0Ato put forth some of the writings on this board as an
>exam=
>ple to them of what=0Athey might expect from an Antioch education.=0A=0AI=
>=92m not talking about the popular shorthand like =93UR=94 for =93you are=
>=94. I=92m=0Areferring to blatant misspelling and misuse of the English
>la=
>nguage as well as=0Acareless typing. I am from a generation where things
>li=
>ke proper spelling and=0Agrammar are the least of the things expected of
>co=
>llege graduates. Perhaps that=0Ais not as important today, but I don=92t
>th=
>ink I=92m too far off the mark when I say=0Athat there is at least one
>pros=
>pective parent who has been unimpressed enough=0Awith some of the
>careless =
>writing on this board to want to dissuade his/her=0Achild from
>considering =
>Antioch.=0A=0ASo please just take a little time to look over what
>you=92ve =
>written before you=0Asend it. Whether what you share here is positive or
>n=
>egative, at least make it=0Areadable.=0A=0AJL Smith=0AYSO =9172=0A=0A(And
>I=
> said a little prayer that I haven=92t overlooked some dunderheaded error=
>=0Awhile lambasting others to be careful)
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>From: "Steven Duffy" <duffy at antioch-college.edu>
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>References: <6CA2E60F-167F-4AB5-A86E-32285148F846 at 230volts.net>
>In-Reply-To: <6CA2E60F-167F-4AB5-A86E-32285148F846 at 230volts.net>
>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:23:28 -0400
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>Message-ID: <fc.005b8ffc0294b04f3b9aca004ed116d8.294b0c2 at mcgregor.edu>
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>Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>Message: 3
>
>Attention pompous grammar nazis......chat is chat and that is that.
>
>This is an informal discussion and does not "hafta" be grammatically
>perfect. You take yourself way too seriously.
>
>Sanctimonious grammar nazis..please give yourself and the rest of us a
>break. Some of us are multitasking and have
>
>older eyes..... and don't have time to compose a perfect and stodgy
>post. Lighten up.
>
>Duffy '77
>
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>From: "Stephanie Scott" <stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk>
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> <fc.005b8ffc0294b04f3b9aca004ed116d8.294b0c2 at mcgregor.edu>
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>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:36:44 +0100
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>Message-ID: <2BA1540C27924EC4BA9B3C67E19849A6 at Stephanie>
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>Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>Message: 4
>
>All sympathy to the dyslexics among us, and it is true that a lot of
>dyslexics are quite talented and successful, but I agree with the grammar
>grad - he isn't a nazi. I know email is less formal than other forms of
>communication but a little more care and attention to spelling, grammar
>and
>punctuation would not go amiss. He is right; it is what we should expect
>of
>a college grad. And I know I make mistakes, before anyone calls me
>pompous
>too!
>
>Leave grammar guy alone - he is well intentioned and he makes a good
>point.
>
>Steph
>'89
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steven Duffy" <duffy at antioch-college.edu>
>To: "Alumni Chat List" <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>Cc: "Alumni Chat List" <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>
>
>Attention pompous grammar nazis......chat is chat and that is that.
>
>This is an informal discussion and does not "hafta" be grammatically
>perfect. You take yourself way too seriously.
>
>Sanctimonious grammar nazis..please give yourself and the rest of us a
>break. Some of us are multitasking and have
>
>older eyes..... and don't have time to compose a perfect and stodgy
>post. Lighten up.
>
>Duffy '77
>
>
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>From: "J. Lawrence Smith" <smith_jl at bellsouth.net>
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>In-Reply-To: <fc.005b8ffc0294b04f3b9aca004ed116d8.294b0c2 at mcgregor.edu>
>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:41:07 -0400
>Reply-To: Alumni Chat List <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>Message-ID: <LAECIDLJIAOPGGEKGEJKMEGICCAA.smith_jl at bellsouth.net>
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>Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>Message: 5
>
>Whatever....
>
>You obviously missed my point.
>
>The End.
>
>JL '72 (which probably makes my eyes older than yours)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: alumni-chat-bounces at w3.antioch.edu
>[mailto:alumni-chat-bounces at w3.antioch.edu]On Behalf Of Steven Duffy
>Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:23 AM
>To: Alumni Chat List
>Cc: Alumni Chat List
>Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>
>Attention pompous grammar nazis......chat is chat and that is that.
>
>This is an informal discussion and does not "hafta" be grammatically
>perfect. You take yourself way too seriously.
>
>Sanctimonious grammar nazis..please give yourself and the rest of us a
>break. Some of us are multitasking and have
>
>older eyes..... and don't have time to compose a perfect and stodgy
>post. Lighten up.
>
>Duffy '77
>
>
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>In-Reply-To: <2BA1540C27924EC4BA9B3C67E19849A6 at Stephanie>
>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:43:22 -0400
>Reply-To: Alumni Chat List <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>Message-ID: <LAECIDLJIAOPGGEKGEJKEEGJCCAA.smith_jl at bellsouth.net>
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>Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>Message: 6
>
>And you obviously DID get my point.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: alumni-chat-bounces at w3.antioch.edu
>[mailto:alumni-chat-bounces at w3.antioch.edu]On Behalf Of Stephanie Scott
>Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:37 AM
>To: Alumni Chat List
>Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>
>All sympathy to the dyslexics among us, and it is true that a lot of
>dyslexics are quite talented and successful, but I agree with the grammar
>grad - he isn't a nazi. I know email is less formal than other forms of
>communication but a little more care and attention to spelling, grammar
>and
>punctuation would not go amiss. He is right; it is what we should expect
>of
>a college grad. And I know I make mistakes, before anyone calls me
>pompous
>too!
>
>Leave grammar guy alone - he is well intentioned and he makes a good
>point.
>
>Steph
>'89
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steven Duffy" <duffy at antioch-college.edu>
>To: "Alumni Chat List" <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>Cc: "Alumni Chat List" <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum
>
>
>Attention pompous grammar nazis......chat is chat and that is that.
>
>This is an informal discussion and does not "hafta" be grammatically
>perfect. You take yourself way too seriously.
>
>Sanctimonious grammar nazis..please give yourself and the rest of us a
>break. Some of us are multitasking and have
>
>older eyes..... and don't have time to compose a perfect and stodgy
>post. Lighten up.
>
>Duffy '77
>
>
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>From: "Steven Duffy" <duffy at antioch-college.edu>
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>Cc:
>To: everette.freeman at asurams.edu, wilburn22701 at earthlink.net,
> fredera at juniata.edu, teubanks at austinvoices.org, tganges at umflint.edu,
> inafrank at adelphia.net, ncrow at penberg.com, ncrow1 at msn.com,
> alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu
>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:47:58 -0400
>Reply-To: Alumni Chat List <alumni-chat at w3.antioch.edu>
>Message-ID: <fc.005b8ffc0294c30b005b8ffc0294bdf5.294c397 at mcgregor.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King
>Message: 7
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
> Friday, April 27, 2007 10:14:11 AM
>Urgent Pulse
>From: Dana Patterson
>Subject: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King
>To: Pulse
>Announcements
>
>Today would have been the 80th birthday of the late Coretta Scott King.
>She left those of us at Antioch College a wonderful gift in her name and
>her legacy through the CSKC for Cultural and Intellectual Freedom. As we
>contemplate our many freedoms today, be mindful of those who dedicated
>(and continue to do so) their lives to our collective freedom. Today be
>especially mindful of Coretta Scott King and the example she provided in a
>life of courage, dignity and respect for others across difference. I am
>including a brief bio (just in case).
>
>Peace,
>Dana
>
>
>Mrs. Coretta Scott King
>Human Rights Activist and Leader
>~
>Biographical Information
>~
>Coretta Scott King was one of the most influential women leaders of our
>time. Prepared by her family, education, and personality for a life
>committed to social justice and peace, she entered the world stage in 1955
>as wife of the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and as a leading
>participant in the American Civil Rights Movement. Her remarkable
>partnership with Dr. King resulted not only in four talented children, but
>in a life devoted to the highest values of human dignity in service to
>social change. Mrs. King traveled throughout our nation and world speaking
>out on behalf of racial and economic justice, women's and children's
>rights, gay and lesbian dignity, religious freedom, the needs of the poor
>and homeless, full-employment, health care, educational opportunities,
>nuclear disarmament and ecological sanity.
>Born and raised in Marion, Alabama, Coretta Scott graduated valedictorian
>from Lincoln High School. She received a B.A. in music and education from
>Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio, and then went on to study concert
>singing at Boston's New England Conservatory of Music, where she earned a
>degree in voice and violin. While in Boston she met Martin Luther King,
>Jr. who was then studying for his doctorate in systematic theology at
>Boston University. They were married on June 18, 1953.
>During Dr. King's career, Mrs. King devoted most of her time to raising
>their four children: Yolanda Denise (1955), Martin Luther, III (1957),
>Dexter Scott (1961), and Bernice Albertine (1963). From the earliest days,
>however, she balanced mothering and movement work, speaking before church,
>civic, college, fraternal and peace groups.~
>After her husband's assassination in 1968, Mrs. King devoted much of her
>energy and attention to developing programs and building the Atlanta-based
>Martin Luther King, Jr. Center for Nonviolent Social Change as a living
>memorial to her husband's life and dream. Mrs. King spearheaded the
>massive educational and lobbying campaign to establish Dr. King's birthday
>as a national holiday. In 1983, an act of Congress instituted the Martin
>Luther King, Jr. Federal Holiday Commission, which she chaired for its
>duration. And in January 1986, Mrs. King oversaw the first legal holiday
>in honor of her husband--a holiday which has come to be celebrated by
>millions of people world-wide and, in some form, in over 100 countries.
>Coretta Scott King departed this life on January 30, 2006.
>~
>
>Dana Murray Patterson, PhD
>Director, Coretta Scott King Center for
>Cultural and Intellectual Freedom and
>Special Assistant to the President for Institutional Diversity
>Antioch College, Yellow Springs, Ohio
>(937) 769-1785 office
>dpatterson at antioch-college.edu
>
>
>
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>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:30:36 -0400
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>Subject: [Alumni-chat] How much grammar? Those who care are NOT Nazis!
>Message: 8
>
>Hey, Duffy, old friend, and you other youngsters not around during
>the Nazi era! Please, please, please do not weaken and cheapen the
>meaning and legacy of Nazis by applying their uniquely horrible
>behavior to those who write to request better grammar in our writing.
>
>THe Nazis under Hitler created concentration camps and gas ovens and
>killed at least 6 million Jews and hundreds of thousands of Russians,
>French, british and US troops. The term Nazi should be reserved to
>represent the horrors of genocide and of letting a country slide into
>Fascism. (Which, by-the-way the US is on the path towards. I am
>currently writing my speech on Impeaching the Pres and VP for
>tomorrow's citizen's rally in Boston - but that;s another topic.)
>
>Duffy and others: How about a tough but less historically meaning-
>loaded term, like: "grammar police?"
>
>On how much attention to grammar and spelling on this chat board? I
>am in the middle - torn between both sides. I have a dyslexic
>daughter who knows she must get proof reading help, and sometimes
>does. I myself don't always take enough time to proof read what I
>write. However, lets all remember that prospies and their parents
>are also reading here, and some are wondering about the quality of
>Antioch education. Like it or not, we are its reps.
>
>Regards to all,
>
>Mike Brower '55
>
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>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:44:12 -0400
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>Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King
>Message: 9
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>Hi, Dana,
>
>Thanks for posting the reminder to us of our fellow Alumna Coretta
>Scott King, of her Birthday 80 years ago today, and of the great
>legacy she left for us and all the people of the world. I had the
>honor of being in the Kelly Hall audience at Reunioin almost 3 years
>ago and hear her address at Antioch. What a beautiful, intelligent,
>courageous and gracious woman! She is one of the various reasons I
>am so proud to be an Antiochian. And in that speech she gave Antioch
>great credit for helping her move from the small town south to the
>modern urban but only partly integrated world. As you well know,
>many biographers and others have given her a big chunk of credit for
>helping Martin Luther King, Jr. move beyond his initial focus on
>discrimination in the south to embracing the anti-war movement (in
>Vietnam War times) and against discrimination and violence world
>wide. How we need the minds and hearts and courage of both of them
>now, in these times so filled with prejudice and imperialism and war
>and violence today. We would all do well to read their words, study
>their history, and pledge to try to make our own lives a model of
>their courage and leadership.
>
>-- Mike Brower '55
>
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>Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 02:07:14 EDT
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>Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] How much grammar? Those who care are NOT
>Nazis!
>Message: 10
>
>
>In a message dated 4/27/2007 12:24:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>mbrower32 at comcast.net writes:
>
>The term Nazi should be reserved to
>represent the horrors of genocide and of letting a country slide into
>Fascism. (Which, by-the-way the US is on the path towards. I am
>currently writing my speech on Impeaching the Pres and VP for
>tomorrow's citizen's rally in Boston - but that;s another topic.)
>
>
>
>Sorry, NAZI is a forshortening of NSDAP, which translates as the National
>
>Socialist German Workers' Party.
>
>It didn't slide into Fascism -- it was the German form of Fascism from
>the
>get go.
>
>And it does not necessarily stand for genocide. Racism (Culture and
>Religion miscomprehended as race) was central to it, but it was not the
>only
>possible outcome of the ideology.
>
>Personally, these days while it is not all that well understood for lack
>of
>historical memory, I prefer the use of the term NASSI as a short lived
>stupid
>notion for what to call authoritarian totalitarianism. When the Berlin
>Wall
>came crashing down, but before the "Volk" got around to crashing into the
>
>Stasi headquarters, the E. German Government briefly changed the name of
>the
>"security police" to NASSI -- and then everyone had a great laugh as to
>how the
>former Stasi could be so stupid with their name change.
>
>The Gestapo lived for 12 years -- the Stasi for over 40. We as
>Americans
>ought to be able to say what we mean without badly muddling German
>History,
>references and the names of things. Why not just talk about the Klan?
>
>
>
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