From mbrower32 at comcast.net Sun Apr 1 10:40:15 2007 From: mbrower32 at comcast.net (Michael Brower) Date: Sun Apr 1 10:44:59 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Can't read next to last message Message-ID: Every day or two I check this growing alumni chat list. This morning there are two new messages. But one, by David Roger Allen has somehow been scrubbed or cleaned or something and I cannot read it. David, would you please re-post it, in a different format, or something, so I can read your comments? Thank you. Mike Brower '55 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070401/d705b923/attachment.html From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 10:41:57 2007 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (David Roger Allen) Date: Sun Apr 1 10:52:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Republicans! In-Reply-To: <009701c77406$c8624e20$5926ea60$@net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070401/4384842a/attachment.html From ririjam at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 21:02:44 2007 From: ririjam at yahoo.com (Alicia Fleming) Date: Sun Apr 1 21:13:31 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Republicans! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <939902.20372.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ok...my fellow antiochians...the book finally got published and is doing pretty good. however, anybody know of an agent? i need one!!! David Roger Allen wrote: Dave Coldren, '66 (Assistant Community Manager to CM Phil Shaeffer during 1964) reminded me of Antioch's important Republican Party connections. Antioch's President Simeon Fess (who ran Antioch before Arthur Morgan arrived during and before WWI years) was a VERY major player among Republican leaders who ran the USA during the 1920's from Ohio's Harding through Coolidge and into the Hoover Administration (Fess was a big shot fund raiser and campaign mgr. for Hoover before his [Fess's] Ohio US Senator days in the late 20's and early 30's). Fess had a son who got an Antioch degree in 1915 (his name was "Lowell Fess") while his Dad was Antioch President, and remained in YSO where the son became a very high profile opponent of left wing activity at Antioch in the 1950's. Lowell Fess, '15 in the 50's started up a YSO based newspaper headlining claims earlier asserted by HUAC that Antioch was a location of subversive thought and activity. The newspaper was called THE YELLOW SPRINGS AMERICAN and it's last edition, dated April 15, 1954, bore the headline "ANTIOCH COLLEGE -- THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY!" Antioch's move from Republican leadership (Simeon Fess, Antioch President was a Republican big shot locally and nationally) to flirtation and more with the left wing and Socialist ideas had much to do with Arthur Morgan's marriage to a Quaker lady, Lucy Griscom. It also had to do with Morgan's connection with the New Deal Roosevelt Administration's TVA which hired Morgan as a water control expert (controlling the raging Tennessee River with about a dozen different very large dams required a flood expert of Morgan's experience, expertise, and reputation). Morgan wasn't particularly disposed to left wing or New Deal ideology, but becoming part of the early New Deal moved him left, politically and socially, as did his marriage to Lucy Griscom who paid for Rockford Chapel as Antioch's "non-demoninational" chapel which had the result of giving Antioch a Quaker cast and personality ever after. (I joined the Quakers at Antioch during my undergrad times in the 60's and became a "CO/CM" ["Conscientious Objector/Combat Medic"] in the USA Army during the War In VietNam...one of the very few males from Antioch during the 1960's NOT to become a draft dodger in the various ways that was possible.) Morgan was no-nonsense businessman from Minnesota who got rich young as an entrepreneurial businessman with his MORGAN COMPANY first based in Memphis TN, then moved to Dayton OH before WWI years....Morgan continued to head his flood control consulting company in Dayton DURING his years in the 1920's as Antioch President while Harvard Bus. Grad School alumnus Algo Henderson ran Antioch day to day during the 20's and through the early 30's. He started the co-op program so people could get hands-on experience learning a trade.....based on the U. of Cincinnati co-op Engineering program initiated a decade or more before Antioch started the co-op program in the early 20's. Morgan was a practical guy from the Mid-West.....no left winger or Socialist in his youth or middle age. Neither were the various genious who gathered around Dayton OH in the early decades of the century, including Antioch College BOT members Orville Wright and Charles Kettering (who put an end to cars started up with hand cranks with his wonderful electrical starter!). Or Charles Lindbergh, who was a frequent visitor to Dayton OH during the 1930's when he promoted airplanes for passenger travel and freight hauling. All these guys were Republicans who had no sympathy with Socialism or Roosevelt's quasi-Socialist New Deal. Morgan got recommended to head the TVA by Ohio politicians who knew him well and probably thought he was one of them....and were probably right when Morgan was a big shot in Dayton OH before heading Antioch! His philosophical and social sympathies reflected in writings he did before Antioch were conservative. He was no left-winger. Anti-Morgan propaganda leveled by New Dealers who had to explain the TVA blowup and firing of Morgan (and his replacement by crooked David Lillianthal, a political appointee whose family was a big contributor to Roosevelt and his party) cast Arthur Morgan as an "unrealistic utopean" to justify the "practical need" for electrical appliances Lillianthal and his family and business contacts sold to Tennesseans using TVA Federal Govt. money....pork barrel stuff for sure, but styled by Roosevelt anti-Morgan propagandists as justified because no-shoes Tennesseans needed "the more abundant life" Roosevelt promised voters. The "ROOSEVELT'S UTOPEAN" book was one of several inaccurate defamatory biographies of Arthur E. Morgan which was intended to defend the illegal appropriation by David Lillianthal (later rewarded with the post as first head of the Atomic Energy Commission!) of govt. money used to sell refrigerators, fans, etc. his family business supplied and profited from. Morgan's case against Roosevelt and Lillianthal was hushed up and ignored. Most people don't know the facts...anti-Morgan propaganda flooded the public in tidal waves. Roosevelt partisans played rough with enemies, and they considered Morgan an enemy when he objected to the Lillianthal pork barrel appliance sales program while he (Morgan) was head of the TVA and Lillianthal was a junior member of the three man TVA commission. But through it all, Arthur Morgan was traditionally and historically a middle American, Mid-West American not at all a Socialist or a utopean. His reputation for that was the result of politics and inaccurate media descriptions. Respectfully, David Roger Allen, Antioch '66 David Roger Allen, 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA 17361 (717)235-1982 DavidRogerAllen@Hotmail.Com DavidAllenUSA@Yahoo.Com --------------------------------- From: "J. David Coldren" Reply-To: Alumni Chat List To: "'Alumni Chat List'" Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Revisionist History Too Often Told About1920 and A. Morgan! Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:38:07 -0500 p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman','serif';} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman','serif';} span.EmailStyle19 {font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:#1F497D;} .MsoChpDefault {;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in;margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} David, Your historical perspectives are very helpful and may help alumni place the current situation in context. Thanks. J. David Coldren 33 Tryon Farm Lane The Pond Settlement Michigan City, IN 46360-2491 (219) 871-0777 >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat --------------------------------- Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Peace and Hair Grease! Alicia Fleming, the real Jamaican Queen author of "My Soul Inside Out" now available online at www.ririjam.com --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070401/ab183709/attachment-0001.html From marklp2 at comcast.net Wed Apr 4 16:46:33 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Wed Apr 4 16:57:39 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Republicans! In-Reply-To: References: <009701c77406$c8624e20$5926ea60$@net> Message-ID: <009801c776fa$55318a00$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Does this sound like a Republican! Mark AC'71 ARTHUR E. MORGAN: HUMAN ENGINEER AND COLLEGE PRESIDENT 1878-1975 By Donald Szantho Harrington, Minister Emeritus of the Community Church of New York I first met Arthur Morgan when I was sixteen years old. He was speaking in Boston about Antioch College and his dream of a new and better kind of education. We being Unitarians, my mother took me in to hear him. I remember a tall, spare figure, raw-boned like Lincoln, with deep set, kindly eyes and intense seriousness. His voice was pleasant, his logic lucid and overwhelmingly persuasive, his points illuminated by homely illustrations from his own experience, which made his theories come alive. As we left the meeting, I felt as if I had seen a vision and was suffused with its light. I said to my mother, "I must go to Antioch!" I applied the next day, and in due course there came an application form and a test to be taken. It was quite an unorthodox test. The College, it seemed, wanted to know not just what my I.Q. might be and how much I already knew, but it sought to plumb my attitudes, motivations, sense of purpose and social feeling. I must have passed, for the Fall of 1931 found me in the entering Freshman class at Yellow Springs. I found Arthur Morgan very much at the heart of things at Antioch. His home was the center of innovative ideas and the source of a running dialogue of constructive self-criticism. Though busy with fund raising and a thousand administrative responsibilities, Morgan had time for any student who had come alive with one of his ideas and wanted to worry it a bit. He spoke often at College assembly, and his brief, terse published communications called "Antioch Notes" were thought provoking and life provoking. When he was on campus he frequently went walking early on Sunday mornings in beautiful, thousand acre Glen Helen at the campus' edge. He let it be known that students would be welcome to walk with him. He carried the makings of breakfast in a knapsack on his back, and somewhere along the way would stop, build a fire and cook breakfast to undergird the discussion. It meant getting up early, around five thirty a.m., but I walked often with him. Sometimes there were just the two of us. On these walks he noticed the growing things and their interaction with each other. He could tell you about the geological past of the area and point to where you would find abundant fossils of creatures that had lived there when the area was still under water. His ability to see the parallels was beautifully expressed in something he wrote later on about there being a place for small and big business within the total picture of America's economic life. Here is how he put it: "My picture of American business is not of a choice between big business and little business, but of normal distribution, just as there is normal distribution between large and small in a primeval hardwood forest. Let that which is most effective if big remain big, that which is most effective if middle-sized remain middle-sized, and that which is most effective if small remain small; each respecting the functions of the other." Arthur Morgan was born near Cincinnati, Ohio , but his family soon moved to St. Cloud, Minnesota, where he grew up. His father was an engineer, and his own interests leaned in that direction. Very early in his life he seems to have had a concern for social improvement for when he was just ten years old he was publishing great quotations for human uplift on a regular basis in one of the St. Cloud newspapers. In 1895, at the age of seventeen, he experienced a vivid vision of an ideal community while walking home through the woods. The Utopian dream of an ideal society was thereafter to direct his steps for the rest of his life. After graduating from high school he left home, at the age of nineteen and spent the next three years doing many kinds of outdoor work, mostly in Colorado, finding that there was a real dearth of understanding of hydraulic engineering.Then he returned home, reading and studying problems relating to hydraulics, and began to practice engineering with his father, learning his profession in the old-fashioned way, from the ground up, by apprenticeship. Perhaps this is how he became committed to the alternating work-study method of education which he later introduced at Antioch. He married and had three children, Ernest, Griscom and Frances, each of whom would later have a distinguished career centered on some aspect of human service. At the age of thirty two, he founded his own engineering company, and three years later, after a disastrous flood had practically wiped out the city of Dayton, Ohio, he was called to take full charge of the Miami River Flood Control Project, involving the building of several huge dams. This work he did so well as to be set on the road to worldwide engineering fame. In 1919 Arthur Morgan was appointed to the Board of Antioch College, a dying institution in Yellow Springs, Ohio, a moribund village some eighteen miles from Dayton. He saw Antioch and Yellow Springs as a kind of double opportunitv to test out his higher educational ideas and his concepts for community development. He was made President, and there began a thrilling experiment in innovative higher education. When I arrived at Antioch in 1931, I found the strong emphasis was upon becoming a well rounded, whole man or woman dedicated to the welfare of humanity. To accomplish this there was a broad range of required courses, though attendance at them was not compulsory in accord with his emphasis upon self-discipline, but an art major, for example, was required to know something about the sciences; the science major to take courses in the humanities and to try his or her hand at the arts. Everyone was required to take courses in personal finance and budgeting, personal health and physical education. Spectator sports in the form of varsity athletics had been abolished by vote of the student body in favor of intramural sports in which everyone took part, and every dormitory hall developed its own personality and sports teams in place of fraternities or sororities. The college slogan inherited from Horace Mann, the first President, was, Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity!" In fifteen years Arthur Morgan built up Antioch College to where it was ranked among the top three colleges of the nation in a study by the Carnegie Corporation. Perhaps the most notable of his innovations was the work-study method in which students would study for ten weeks, and then go off campus to work on a job out in the real world. He believed that such an alternation would keep curriculum alive and help the student to apply and assimilate what he was learning in the classroom. It was during this same period of intense preoccupation with the TVA and its victories and disappointments that he finished a lifelong work on a biography of the great Utopian of the nineteenth century, Edward Bellamy, and discovered connections between Utopian writings and actual ideal societies. This led to his landmark volume entitled, Nowhere Was Somewhere. Upon his return to Yellow Springs in 1939, Arthur Morgan turned his thought and energy to the problem of revitalizing America's small communities, the "Seedbed of Society" and the garden in which human character is grown. It was a return to an old love, for he had already built model villages in Ohio and Tennessee and sparked a successful "intentional" community in North Carolina. He had been the moving force transforming the village of Yellow Springs from a moribund littIe hamlet to an exciting and vibrant ideal community in which people wanted to live. He succeeded beyond his own modest hopes, and Yellow Springs today is a monument to his vision and idealism. Abridged from an address delivered at the Community Church of New York (Unitarian Universalist) in 1975. _____ WANTED - COMMUNITY PIONEERS As the small community is, so will America be. Yet we have neglected our small communities, exploited them and robbed them. When they have deteriorated to a certain point, they become so unattractive to intelligent, ambitious persons that the exodus of quality is accelerated. If our enemies had devised a program for bringing the greatness of America to an end, could they have been more effective? Yet there is no inherent need for this deterioration of the small community. If men and women of character and purpose come to see the significance of the present situation, they can make our small communities such live, interesting, adequate places to live in that young people of quality will prefer to stay there. Arthur E. Morgan, Member of the Unitarian Church of Dayton, Ohio >From The Christian Register, May, 1945. _____ From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of David Roger Allen Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:42 AM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Republicans! Dave Coldren, '66 (Assistant Community Manager to CM Phil Shaeffer during 1964) reminded me of Antioch's important Republican Party connections. Antioch's President Simeon Fess (who ran Antioch before Arthur Morgan arrived during and before WWI years) was a VERY major player among Republican leaders who ran the USA during the 1920's from Ohio's Harding through Coolidge and into the Hoover Administration (Fess was a big shot fund raiser and campaign mgr. for Hoover before his [Fess's] Ohio US Senator days in the late 20's and early 30's). Fess had a son who got an Antioch degree in 1915 (his name was "Lowell Fess") while his Dad was Antioch President, and remained in YSO where the son became a very high profile opponent of left wing activity at Antioch in the 1950's. Lowell Fess, '15 in the 50's started up a YSO based newspaper headlining claims earlier asserted by HUAC that Antioch was a location of subversive thought and activity. The newspaper was called THE YELLOW SPRINGS AMERICAN and it's last edition, dated April 15, 1954, bore the headline "ANTIOCH COLLEGE -- THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY!" Antioch's move from Republican leadership (Simeon Fess, Antioch President was a Republican big shot locally and nationally) to flirtation and more with the left wing and Socialist ideas had much to do with Arthur Morgan's marriage to a Quaker lady, Lucy Griscom. It also had to do with Morgan's connection with the New Deal Roosevelt Administration's TVA which hired Morgan as a water control expert (controlling the raging Tennessee River with about a dozen different very large dams required a flood expert of Morgan's experience, expertise, and reputation). Morgan wasn't particularly disposed to left wing or New Deal ideology, but becoming part of the early New Deal moved him left, politically and socially, as did his marriage to Lucy Griscom who paid for Rockford Chapel as Antioch's "non-demoninational" chapel which had the result of giving Antioch a Quaker cast and personality ever after. (I joined the Quakers at Antioch during my undergrad times in the 60's and became a "CO/CM" ["Conscientious Objector/Combat Medic"] in the USA Army during the War In VietNam...one of the very few males from Antioch during the 1960's NOT to become a draft dodger in the various ways that was possible.) Morgan was no-nonsense businessman from Minnesota who got rich young as an entrepreneurial businessman with his MORGAN COMPANY first based in Memphis TN, then moved to Dayton OH before WWI years....Morgan continued to head his flood control consulting company in Dayton DURING his years in the 1920's as Antioch President while Harvard Bus. Grad School alumnus Algo Henderson ran Antioch day to day during the 20's and through the early 30's. He started the co-op program so people could get hands-on experience learning a trade.....based on the U. of Cincinnati co-op Engineering program initiated a decade or more before Antioch started the co-op program in the early 20's. Morgan was a practical guy from the Mid-West.....no left winger or Socialist in his youth or middle age. Neither were the various genious who gathered around Dayton OH in the early decades of the century, including Antioch College BOT members Orville Wright and Charles Kettering (who put an end to cars started up with hand cranks with his wonderful electrical starter!). Or Charles Lindbergh, who was a frequent visitor to Dayton OH during the 1930's when he promoted airplanes for passenger travel and freight hauling. All these guys were Republicans who had no sympathy with Socialism or Roosevelt's quasi-Socialist New Deal. Morgan got recommended to head the TVA by Ohio politicians who knew him well and probably thought he was one of them....and were probably right when Morgan was a big shot in Dayton OH before heading Antioch! His philosophical and social sympathies reflected in writings he did before Antioch were conservative. He was no left-winger. Anti-Morgan propaganda leveled by New Dealers who had to explain the TVA blowup and firing of Morgan (and his replacement by crooked David Lillianthal, a political appointee whose family was a big contributor to Roosevelt and his party) cast Arthur Morgan as an "unrealistic utopean" to justify the "practical need" for electrical appliances Lillianthal and his family and business contacts sold to Tennesseans using TVA Federal Govt. money....pork barrel stuff for sure, but styled by Roosevelt anti-Morgan propagandists as justified because no-shoes Tennesseans needed "the more abundant life" Roosevelt promised voters. The "ROOSEVELT'S UTOPEAN" book was one of several inaccurate defamatory biographies of Arthur E. Morgan which was intended to defend the illegal appropriation by David Lillianthal (later rewarded with the post as first head of the Atomic Energy Commission!) of govt. money used to sell refrigerators, fans, etc. his family business supplied and profited from. Morgan's case against Roosevelt and Lillianthal was hushed up and ignored. Most people don't know the facts...anti-Morgan propaganda flooded the public in tidal waves. Roosevelt partisans played rough with enemies, and they considered Morgan an enemy when he objected to the Lillianthal pork barrel appliance sales program while he (Morgan) was head of the TVA and Lillianthal was a junior member of the three man TVA commission. But through it all, Arthur Morgan was traditionally and historically a middle American, Mid-West American not at all a Socialist or a utopean. His reputation for that was the result of politics and inaccurate media descriptions. Respectfully, David Roger Allen, Antioch '66 David Roger Allen, 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA 17361 (717)235-1982 DavidRogerAllen@Hotmail.Com DavidAllenUSA@Yahoo.Com _____ From: "J. David Coldren" Reply-To: Alumni Chat List To: "'Alumni Chat List'" Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Revisionist History Too Often Told About1920 and A. Morgan! Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:38:07 -0500 David, Your historical perspectives are very helpful and may help alumni place the current situation in context. Thanks. J. David Coldren 33 Tryon Farm Lane The Pond Settlement Michigan City, IN 46360-2491 (219) 871-0777 >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _____ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070404/43adae10/attachment-0001.html From davidrogerallen at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 12:08:29 2007 From: davidrogerallen at hotmail.com (David Roger Allen) Date: Thu Apr 5 12:19:42 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Lucy Griscom changed Arthur Morgan's life...... In-Reply-To: <009801c776fa$55318a00$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/attachments/20070405/6dfdde8c/attachment.html From mbrower32 at comcast.net Fri Apr 6 16:43:21 2007 From: mbrower32 at comcast.net (Michael Brower) Date: Fri Apr 6 16:48:23 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Three requests about using this chat list Message-ID: Hello, fellow Alums, I have a concern -- even a complaint -- and 3 suggestions on how to make it easier to use and read this chat room. Several people in the past week or so have simply hit the "Reply" button and then typed their own new message on top of all prior messages carried forward. Sometimes this is to some extent appropriate, when they are indeed commenting or building on the last previous message. But sometimes they are typing in a completely different message, such as announcing the publication of a new book, which is perfectly appropriate and welcome here in my own view, but which has nothing to do with the previous message(s). So in such a case, hitting "Reply" and including the prior messages makes no sense. I would not mention this here if it were rare and unlikely to happen again. But in fact, it has already happened here several times and it is very common on other email lists and chat rooms so it is highly likely to happen here again, too. Here are my three suggestions which I would request us all to follow. 1. When posting on a new subject, do NOT hit "Reply." Instead, simply send a brand new email to: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu. 2. When commenting on the last previous posting, it is OK to hit "Reply." But if you do, PLEASE trim out all of the prior messages which may have been attached and even most of the specific message you are replying to, especially if it is long. Perhaps you can leave only a sentence or two that you are specifically replying to. Or, you can open your message with your own simple summary of that part of the prior message(s) you want to comment on. Or, you can do this in a new email sent to: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu. 3. In each and every case, please check your "Subject" line and make sure it is up-to-date and appropriate. Thanks for reading. And, if you agree, for following ground rules such as these. Mike Brower '55 From robinsimons at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 13:15:48 2007 From: robinsimons at yahoo.com (Robin Simons) Date: Mon Apr 9 13:27:19 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Networking for chemistry and or education jobs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <510016.93447.qm@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All- class of 91, Robin Simons here.... I thought I'd do a bit of networking on behalf of my husband, who is a chemistry teacher licensed in IL. When he lived in IA- he was also ablke to teach bio and physics also. He been out of education for a while for different reasons....currently working in QA. We live in Evanston right now. He's really most interested in open schools- child centered democratic learning... if anyone knows of a school like that that needs a science teacher, please let us know. And it can be almost anywhere, although midwest or east coast is preferred. Robin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From marklp2 at comcast.net Wed Apr 11 01:26:56 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Wed Apr 11 01:38:37 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat]Here's what Antioch conrinues to be known for nowadays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c77bfa$0706e000$0301a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> "The Tudors," Showtime But then, why bother with the great unwashed when you've got Jonathan Rhys Meyers in the role of Henry? The lean, muscled, pale-blue-eyed "it" boy of the moment languishes shirtless throughout most scenes lustily eating juicy pomegranates, getting shaved by his dressers, bedding everyone but his wife, and even wrestling with the king of France. No doubt his many lovelorn fans will appreciate every shirtless, simmering shot. Nevertheless, the sex is decidedly laughable at times. At one point, before mauling a chambermaid, the king asks, "Do you consent?" as though it's 1994 at Antioch College. From gcalhoun at antioch-college.edu Wed Apr 11 09:51:20 2007 From: gcalhoun at antioch-college.edu (Gare Calhoun) Date: Wed Apr 11 10:02:53 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat]Here's what Antioch conrinues to be known fornowadays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: "David Roger Allen" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat]Here's what Antioch conrinues to be known fornowadays Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:33:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2007 12:33:14.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[932A43C0:01C77C35] April 11, 07 I dunno! I've decided I really agree with the Antioch 1994 "verbal consent in advance before sex" policy and rule.?? Guys as well as girls are protected by it, though this isn't publicized. The best sex of all for heterosexual guys comes from girls who really are in agreement about it all...girls who will and do say "yes" in a flash when asked to "consent!."? The worst sex comes from girls who don't want it...?? Guys who avoid the latter (thanks to Antioch's policy) avoid bad sex. Thank you, Antioch, for improving the sex lives of Antioch heterosexual guys,? undergrads and grads alike! Respectfully, David ? ? David Roger Allen, 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA 17361 (717)235-1982 [ mailto:DavidRogerAllen@Hotmail.Com ]DavidRogerAllen@Hotmail.Com [ mailto:DavidAllenUSA@Yahoo.Com ]DavidAllenUSA@Yahoo.Com ? > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From: "Mark Pomerantz" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: "'Alumni Chat List'" >Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat]Here's what Antioch conrinues to be known >fornowadays >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:26:56 -0700 >>"The Tudors," Showtime >> >>But then, why bother with the great unwashed when you've got Jonathan >Rhys >>Meyers in the role of Henry? The lean, muscled, pale-blue-eyed "it" boy >of >>the moment languishes shirtless throughout most scenes lustily eating >juicy >>pomegranates, getting shaved by his dressers, bedding everyone but his >wife, >>and even wrestling with the king of France. No doubt his many lovelorn >fans >>will appreciate every shirtless, simmering shot. Nevertheless, the sex is >>decidedly laughable at times. At one point, before mauling a chambermaid, >>the king asks, "Do you consent?" as though it's 1994 at Antioch College. >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Alumni-chat mailing list >>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------[ >http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2749??PS=47575 ]Mortgage rates near historic >lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low as $771/month* From mbrower32 at comcast.net Wed Apr 11 13:09:55 2007 From: mbrower32 at comcast.net (Michael Brower) Date: Wed Apr 11 13:15:13 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The Antioch 1994 "verbal consent in advance" Policy Message-ID: <12F49469-A58D-4A5D-B6B4-86B16DB610F8@comcast.net> In my 7-8 trips back to Antioch during and since the 2004 Reunion, I have often seen the public postings of, and various articles and comments about the famous Antioch student-generated "consent in advance" policy about sex. And like many of us older Alums I occasionally pondered whether, and to what extent, I agreed with this policy, whether I would have appreciated it, or not, during my younger years, and how I would have handled it myself. Was it too blatant? Too in-your-face? Too intellectual, too much interference with normal courtship. Etc., etc? On balance I came down in favor of the policy, but with perhaps some residual reservations. Then a year or two ago, I was sharing a ride with two female Alums from the 1950;s. We started talking about, and sharing our impressions of, this 1994 Verbal Consent in Advance policy. All of my residual doubts and questions were suddenly resolved when one of my friends told us about her own experience of having suffered "Date Rape." Yes, she was in the guy's apartment. Yes, she liked him and was necking with him. But, NO, she was NOT ready for sex with him. But that was what happened, without her permission, without his asking, without her wanting it or agreeing to it. Wow! Did I ever get my eyes and ears and mind opened fast! Count me as a strong supporter now. Mike Brower '55 From yazz at 230volts.net Sat Apr 14 16:40:23 2007 From: yazz at 230volts.net (Yazz D. Atlas) Date: Sat Apr 14 16:52:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Update on Anticipated Merger with McGregor Message-ID: Update Please Read: http://antirecord.org/node/493#comment-179 It appears that there is some meat to the rumors. However my take on the issue it its too early to tell what will happen. Will the College merge or not, this type of talk has happened in the past behind closed doors I believe. Since most of us on this list are outside looking in there is little to go on. I personally don't think anybody except a very small group of board members and higher-ups actually know which direction the decision is leaning. Heck right now it could be a flip of a coin away from being decided, we just won't know. By the time the student body and alumni know the dye will be cast and there will be little room for discussion. Thats just how business is done, and Antioch College is a business thats failing to meet its quotas and retention levels. So the time right now might be best used to try come up with some worthy question to ask. Even if we can't ask the question since all we know nothing has been actually decided. * If the College does merge with McGregor what does that actually mean. * How does a merge effect the accreditation of either school. * Will Professors and Staff be reviewed and possibly changed or even eliminated? * Where would GC, ADCIL, and other bodies fit in? * McGregor doesn't have a Co-op program does it? The merger of the College into McGregor School might seem like a last ditch effort but it might be the safest option. If a merger happens I would expect there would be a lot of change. - Yazz D. Atlas 1997 From Sistersara at aol.com Mon Apr 16 02:57:26 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Mon Apr 16 03:09:39 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Republicans! Message-ID: glad to see Alumni Chat back after all these years. In the meantime I have seriously studied the fine points of politically progressive blogging, and consider it a fine occupation for the overly educated, perhaps too well read, and while the joints don't work quite as well -- the short and long term memory does seem in good shape. There are, by the way, Antiochians other than me who blog on big and little sites. I do Kos, Josh Marshall, Firedoglake and guest blog at The Next Hurrah. I am Sara. (Sally Todd, Class of 1962.) -- and yea, I am on other progressive sites too once in a while. Got to disagree with David Allen on some of this stuff... Anti-Morgan propaganda leveled by New Dealers who had to explain the TVA blowup and firing of Morgan (and his replacement by crooked David Lillianthal, a political appointee whose family was a big contributor to Roosevelt and his party) cast Arthur Morgan as an "unrealistic utopean" to justify the "practical need" for electrical appliances Lillianthal and his family and business contacts sold to Tennesseans using TVA Federal Govt. money....pork barrel stuff for sure, but styled by Roosevelt anti-Morgan propagandists as justified because no-shoes Tennesseans needed "the more abundant life" Roosevelt promised voters. David -- do you know anything about the Tennessee Valley during the 20's and 1930's -- I mean for instance do you know that much of it was not a cash economy, but a barter one. Much of the valley was about digging out tree stumps for the turpentine mills for less than a dollar a day, and then along came Mr. Roosevelt's projects that paid 22 dollars a week for 35 hours work. God yes the objective was to make the folk in the valley consumers of things like electric washing machines and electric lights, radio, and a few other mod-con's. FDR was about kicking into life both a consumer economy and a cash wage system -- because if both these were healthy, more Jobs would follow. The immediate cause of the FDR-Morgan alienation was the matter of packing the court as FDR proposed in 1937. Morgan wrote a Wall Street Journal op/ed in opposition to the FDR notion, and you know, if you are a presidential appointee, that is not so smart. And damn yes, as TVA Produced power, FDR wanted it consumed in ways that would produce the greatest economic activity that produced product and cash jobs. He was not only trying to jump start the whole economy, he was trying to get the Tennessee Valley out of the barter system and into the cash system. And one must never forget that the true Father of TVA was Republican Senator George Norris from Nebraska, one of the Progressive Republicans brought into Government by Teddy Roosevelt, (and who stayed till 1944). The "ROOSEVELT'S UTOPEAN" book was one of several inaccurate defamatory biographies of Arthur E. Morgan which was intended to defend the illegal appropriation by David Lillianthal (later rewarded with the post as first head of the Atomic Energy Commission!) of govt. money used to sell refrigerators, fans, etc. his family business supplied and profited from. Yes, today it would be a conflict of interest. But fans and fridges in se mi-tropical climate such as the Tennessee Valley, are hardly out of line. Since some of my family came from SW Virginia, I do have lots of stories about people eating food that went bad and dying, and "not getting it to the spring house in time" was cause of death... all I can say is consider what you are talking about. Morgan's case against Roosevelt and Lillianthal was hushed up and ignored. Most people don't know the facts...anti-Morgan propaganda flooded the public in tidal waves. Roosevelt partisans played rough with enemies, and they considered Morgan an enemy when he objected to the Lillianthal pork barrel appliance sales program while he (Morgan) was head of the TVA and Lillianthal was a junior member of the three man TVA commission. My own belief is that if the people who could have best dealt with Morgan -- specifically Louis Howe, had still been alive and active in early 1937, the dispute with FDR would have been totally mitigated. Morgan had 19th Century Socialist ideas -- perhaps somewhat enlightened by Minnesota Farmer Laborites and the like, but it was more ideology laid on top of his hydrology reputation -- and it really was not drawn from the then contemporary political process. Morgan could never account for Labor Rights or the whole matter of Civil Rights and the obligations of affirmative action based on the failure to economically play fair with both minorities and working-for-wages folk. But through it all, Arthur Morgan was traditionally and historically a middle American, Mid-West American not at all a Socialist or a utopean. His reputation for that was the result of politics and inaccurate media descriptions. Look, we Mid-Western types have produced more interesting politics than most other regions of the country. (Unless you think Machine or Klan Politics of interest.) Morgan was a 19th Century Socialist. He thought Edward Bellamy an advanced thinker -- and he really never advanced beyond that position. He had excellent instincts as a community organizer, but I did a tutorial with him in 57, and his progressive instincts were pretty limited. What he did in the 20's is what matters. Sally Todd, Class of 62, Former member of Alumni board for 6 years. aka Sistersara@aol.com . ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From amaruyama at antioch-college.edu Mon Apr 16 08:23:03 2007 From: amaruyama at antioch-college.edu (Aimee Maruyama) Date: Mon Apr 16 08:34:58 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4 Message-ID: Thank your for your email. I will be out of the office until Monday April 23 and will respond to your email then. If you need immediate assistance contact the Alumni Office at 800-411-6780 Cheers! Aimee From gcalhoun at antioch-college.edu Mon Apr 16 16:05:03 2007 From: gcalhoun at antioch-college.edu (Gare Calhoun) Date: Mon Apr 16 16:16:58 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] RE: [DC] Paste this Antioch produced 30 sec. video into your URL Message-ID: From: "Irv Sheffey" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: RE: [DC] Paste this Antioch produced 30 sec. video into your URL box/browser! Hit GO! Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:56:02 -0400 As a graduate (?74) of the Baltimore-Washington campus, which had a fair contingent of black folks, I?m left wondering how diverse Antioch is today. It seemed that the only one image, that of ?Mr. T?, represented people of color in this YouTube video. As an African-American of the lighter persuasion (a bit of Native American and a definite helping of European in my heritage) I apologize to the students appearing in the video if I didn?t recognize if they were also a person of color. If you saw an image of me flash by, you might not recognize me as being African American either. Am I being too sensitive? Perhaps, but I think it begs the question why Mr. T was the sole (or is it soul ;-) image of a black person to be featured. No ?big thing?, just an observation. Irv From SRobbins at reedbusiness.com Mon Apr 16 16:39:45 2007 From: SRobbins at reedbusiness.com (Robbins, Sonia Jaffe (RBI-US)) Date: Mon Apr 16 16:53:22 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] RE: [DC] Paste this Antioch produced 30 sec. video into your URL box/browser! Hit GO! Message-ID: <941BF55815A1FB45BC23575D90E6217F03177F9E@BINHRAEXCP01VA.b2b.regn.net> They do flash by very very fast, but after watching the video several times, I think there was one young man of possibly South Asian background (#6 from the beginning) and a young woman of possibly African-American background (#7 after the picture of Mr. T -- and what was he doing there?). No, you're not being too sensitive. (Result of using two different e-mail programs with sometimes conflicting keyboard commands.) That's a pathetically small proportion. Could it be related to the cost of Antioch and its (lack of) reputation at the present moment? Sonia Jaffe Robbins robbinssj@reedbusiness.com sjr5@nyu.edu http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." --Douglas Adams _____ From: Irv Sheffey [mailto:irv.sheffey@sierraclub.org] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:56 PM To: info@dc.antiochians.org; alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu; bobabramspe@webtv.net; fredspam@pobox.com; PAntze@YorkU.Ca; matt@baya.net; LawBloc@AOL.Com; mbrower32@ComCast.Net; ccary@antioch-college.edu; jdcoldren@comcast.net; jdavid@coldren.net; listmaster@antioch-college.edu; alumni-chat@lists.antioch-college.edu; leader@dcantiochians.org; DC@lists.antiochians.org; m.engert@comcast.net; bni@aol.com; gabe@ideadesign-dc.com; Gabe@Charm.Net; hicken@Prodigy.Net; Robbins, Sonia Jaffe (RBI-US); ralph@ralphkeyes.com; danielleknight@earthlink.net; Jwmckarnf@aol.com; Kmulhauser@consultingwomen.com; Richard.Osborne@IRSCOUNSEL.TREAS.GOV; FCook@AlphaGraphics.Com; FPCook@AOL.Com; AntiochFran@Yahoo.Com; AntiochFran@Hotmail.Com; sjr5@nyu.edu; MBishop@sctboces.org; MBISHOP@svecsd.org; slightlymadman@slightlymad.net; joanstraumanis@earthlink.net; joan.straumanis@ed.gov; bruce.wallenta@osd.mil; wallenta@hotmail.com; BrookZuss@AOL.Com Subject: RE: [DC] Paste this Antioch produced 30 sec. video into your URL box/browser! Hit GO! As a graduate ('74) of the Baltimore-Washington campus, which had a fair contingent of black folks, I'm left wondering how diverse Antioch is today. It seemed that the only one image, that of "Mr. T", represented people of color in this YouTube video. As an African-American of the lighter persuasion (a bit of Native American and a definite helping of European in my heritage) I apologize to the students appearing in the video if I didn't recognize if they were also a person of color. If you saw an image of me flash by, you might not recognize me as being African American either. Am I being too sensitive? Perhaps, but I think it begs the question why Mr. T was the sole (or is it soul ;-) image of a black person to be featured. No "big thing", just an observation. Irv _____ From: dc-bounces@lists.antiochians.org [mailto:dc-bounces@lists.antiochians.org] On Behalf Of David Roger Allen Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:44 AM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu; bobabramspe@webtv.net; fredspam@pobox.com; PAntze@YorkU.Ca; matt@baya.net; LawBloc@AOL.Com; mbrower32@ComCast.Net; ccary@antioch-college.edu; jdcoldren@comcast.net; jdavid@coldren.net; listmaster@antioch-college.edu; alumni-chat@lists.antioch-college.edu; leader@dcantiochians.org; DC@lists.antiochians.org; m.engert@comcast.net; bni@aol.com; gabe@ideadesign-dc.com; Gabe@Charm.Net; hicken@Prodigy.Net; srobbins@reedbusiness.com; ralph@ralphkeyes.com; danielleknight@earthlink.net; info@dc.antiochians.org; Jwmckarnf@aol.com; Kmulhauser@consultingwomen.com; Richard.Osborne@IRSCOUNSEL.TREAS.GOV; FCook@AlphaGraphics.Com; FPCook@AOL.Com; AntiochFran@Yahoo.Com; AntiochFran@Hotmail.Com; sjr5@nyu.edu; MBishop@sctboces.org; MBISHOP@svecsd.org; slightlymadman@slightlymad.net; joanstraumanis@earthlink.net; joan.straumanis@ed.gov; bruce.wallenta@osd.mil; wallenta@hotmail.com; BrookZuss@AOL.Com Subject: [DC] Paste this Antioch produced 30 sec. video into your URL box/browser! Hit GO! Antiochians! Paste this short (30 second) video into your browser/URL box! April 15, 07 Antiochians! Happy Income Tax Deadline Day to you all! Paste the web address below into your browser and hit the "GO" icon to see this promo of current day Antioch College and many of it's handsome students now paying $40K plus/yearly for an Antioch education! There are MORE of these about Antioch (videos) available from the "AntiRecord" website (get it from Google), including the recent burning of Norment House dorm to the tune of Johnny Cash's "RING OF FIRE" song, and a great joke video about pot shot at Antioch and acted by Antiochians to the tune of Afro Man's CAUSE I GOT HIGH quasi-rap song! Check it all out! Get back to me for MORE! Regards, David Roger "Yazz" Allen, Antioch '66 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUNet5IkrAU David Roger Allen, 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA 17361 (717)235-1982 DavidRogerAllen@Hotmail.Com DavidAllenUSA@Yahoo.Com _____ --------------------- DAVID ROGER ALLEN, 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA 17361 DavidAllenUSA@Yahoo.Com DavidRogerAllen@Hotmail.Com (717) 235-1982 David Roger Allen, 644 Shrewsbury Commons Ave., #239, Shrewsbury PA 17361 (717)235-1982 DavidRogerAllen@Hotmail.Com DavidAllenUSA@Yahoo.Com _____ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. From yazz at 230volts.net Mon Apr 16 16:48:10 2007 From: yazz at 230volts.net (Yazz D. Atlas) Date: Mon Apr 16 17:00:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] RE: [DC] Paste this Antioch produced 30 sec. video into your URL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <954106F1-375E-4EDE-B77A-A38F783FC7EA@230volts.net> I believe the video in question is this one. http://antirecord.org/node/337 If not could you provide the correct URL. -Yazz On Apr 16, 2007, at 1:05 PM, Gare Calhoun wrote: > > Subject: RE: [DC] Paste this Antioch produced 30 sec. video into > your URL > box/browser! Hit GO! > Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:56:02 -0400 > > As a graduate (?74) of the Baltimore-Washington campus, which had a > fair > contingent of black folks, I?m left wondering how diverse Antioch is > today. It seemed that the only one image, that of ?Mr. T?, > represented > people of color in this YouTube video. As an African-American of the > lighter persuasion (a bit of Native American and a definite helping of > European in my heritage) I apologize to the students appearing in the > video if I didn?t recognize if they were also a person of color. > If you > saw an image of me flash by, you might not recognize me as being > African > American either. > > Am I being too sensitive? Perhaps, but I think it begs the question > why > Mr. T was the sole (or is it soul ;-) image of a black person to be > featured. > > No ?big thing?, just an observation. > > Irv From Sistersara at aol.com Tue Apr 17 02:18:14 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 17 02:30:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Republicans! Message-ID: Hi David -- and thanks for responding to my TVA piece. Read through your response several times, and one thing struck me -- the following passage. You know we may be related!!! My family (the Allen family) arrived in Virginia in 1645, lived there roughly 135 years until after the USA Revolutionary War, then went to Texas by way of Tennessee. I know the history and lives of southern USA people from the long history of my own family which I know well. I was the first member of the Allen family (my part of it) to be born north of the Mason-Dixon line since the Allens arrived from England in 1645 (I was born in Manhattan NYC NY USA) Anyhow, are you related to the Allens of Carroll County VA -- the area around Hillsville? One of my cousins introduced me to this wing of the family back in the 1960's when he was into "educating" me on the family background (since I was a Yankee and all that). Two of the Allen relatives shot up the court room in Hillsville back about 1924 while they were being tried for making white lightening up in the hills, and they killed the Judge, a couple of the lawyers, and some on the jury -- and ended up in VA's Electric Chair. There is even a book about it all -- all about how the Judge and Prosecutor were competitors in the White Lightening Business of that day -- and all about the super secret drinking and barn dancing venues they operated (and that it seems my cousins really enjoyed even though they were formally pretty up tight saved in the blood of the lamb Methodists.) Anyhow, I am out of the Jackson Family along the line between Grayson and Carroll County. If you know the Shot Tower near Austinville (on the National Historic Register) -- that's my family. The Allens are related by marriage back in the pre-civil war period -- but I have never really sorted it out. The same cousin who gave me the book on the Hillsville Court House Murders was also someone who benefited from TVA -- and it it ironic that I was thinking about Robert when I posted yesterday, because one of the things he got from TVA was a BA in Agriculture from VA Tech back in the 1930's, because he had been selected as a model farmer by TVA -- selected to demonstrate things like contour strips on slopes, and various kinds of mixed grain farming blended with modern dairy farming, which was all part of upgrading the agriculture of the region. Had my Cousin Robert not been drafted in WWII, and had to sit for 35 days under German Guns on the beachhead at Salerno in a hole in the ground -- an experience that led to his being mustered out with what we today call PTSD -- in those days Shell Shock -- he might have become something like Ag Commissioner in VA. Anyhow, when I spent time with him in the 60's he was on the Wythe County board dealing with the Food Stamp Program -- and he took me out visiting to some of the folk who lived back in the Hollars in trailers and shacks, and who absolutely needed every food stamp they could lay their hands on. You know, kids with extended bellies full of worms -- the kind of thing that Robert Kennedy and eventually Paul Wellstone went out to visit so maybe Americans could see it. Tell me all about that lovely local culture. Some of it is fine -- but a good deal of it is about total poverty and absolutely no choices. And when the local economy is barter -- you don't even have the choice to save up and leave. My Grandmother got out by answering a lonely hearts ad in a Sunday School Magazine -- and she ended up on a sheep ranch in Wyoming 20 miles from the nearest neighbor, but with 20 thousand sheep. Another cousin from that generation got out via an accounting degree from VA Tech (after a stint in the CCC) and he after OSS adventures, became the bag man for E. Howard Hunt during Bay of Pigs. (and other adventures). In otherwords everyone understood that the Tennessee and Cumberland Valleys were not a place to make either a living or a reasonable career -- and they wanted out, much as they loved their land and hills. They wanted choices -- and any argument that fails to comprehend this doesn't really understand these people. Even my Great Grand Mother Faddis who marched across the hills to read her bible to Clarence Darrow during the Scopes evolution trials in Dayton Tennessee really liked the electric lights, her electric washing machine, and a couple of electric hot plates in her kitchen. (She still got saved every Sunday at Cold Springs Methodist Church). Morgan concluded in Fall of 1935 Lillianthal must be replaced, and his appointment renewal set for May 1936 be denied. Morgan met with Roosevelt at Warm Springs, Georgia, presented his case to Roosevelt, and got his agreement. Roosevelt promptly reversed himself, and Lillianthal as re-appointed, at which point Morgan realized the true nature of Roosevelt's motives regarding the TVA, and further knew his (Morgan's) own days as a "player" in the New Deal were numbered. Any Historian of FDR and the New Deal knows that FDR intended for everyone who met with him to leave with the belief that FDR totally believed in or agreed with their point of view. But that was not how he operated -- and historians are less about really defending FDR than they are in understanding how he worked the politics. FDR was not really an idealist -- he was perhaps the most accomplished politician America ever elected to the Presidency. And that meant as he put it so frequently not knowing what the left hand was doing while working with the right hand. Morgan was not a Politician in this sense -- he was very much an idealist, and FDR never trusted that sort. Morgan probably could have gotten more than half of what he wanted had he not pressed FDR with the notion that he was a man of principle -- had he dealt with him as a politician, he might have been successful. But that was not Morgan's character. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From Sistersara at aol.com Tue Apr 17 03:07:45 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 17 03:20:01 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Republicans! Message-ID: About Blogging -- and why I encourage Antiochians to engage. David said... "I was interested to learn of your blog writing. I know very little about that, how it works, where it is, etc. I'm not up to date about so much technological, but I marvel and admire people like you who ARE up to date. I'm very interested in transmission of visual material over the internet, TV and video communications sent directly and freely. In the "post literate" world we increasingly live in, visual communication techniques will be increasingly important...are now." I have found lots of Antiochians among the bloggers -- and I really recommend that more Antiochians get involved. There is nothing particularly technical about it -- it is about getting involved in discussions, and we are (given our DNA) pretty good at that. Everyone has their particular take on the process -- on how you establish an identity and how you develop a discourse around core ideas. And yes, Bloggers have pretty grand ideas about where we are going. Among other things, Reform the Press and Media, change the rules for politics and all -- of course not much of it will work out, but some will, and this is where progressive stuff will be invented in the next few years. If you haven't read Firedoglake, particularly how we raised the money to put a live blogger into the Courtroom for the Libby Trial (along with the usual MSM), How we came to know more about that case than even the Lawyers, and why the Federal Judge read our stuff and said we deserved seats in the Journalist section more than the Times or the Post. -- Part of the process of either reform or revolution is doing stuff like this. And yes, really soon it will be video blogging along with text blogging. But the key is that Bloggers worth anything at all, add content. We hav e knowledge and ways of understanding beyond the kin of the Journalists of today -- that is the key. And lots of people want that extra added stuff. For the Libby Trial our assets were a Film Producer, a PHD in comparative literature, with a speciality in pre-1989 E. European resistance literature, a psychologist and a former W. Virginia State Prosecutor who knows a thing or two about Constitutional Law. No Media outfit had that kind of combination. So please start reading, and join us. One way or another it will be the next new thing. Firedoglake has a blogroll, and so does the place I more or less blog, The Next Hurrah. Just start reading and get a name you can use across several blogs -- and establish an identity. It isn't technical, it is about wanting to participate in whatever the outcome will be. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From pinkney at meadandmikell.com Tue Apr 24 11:35:06 2007 From: pinkney at meadandmikell.com (Pinkney Mikell) Date: Tue Apr 24 11:51:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Prospective students Message-ID: Mr. Brower, I am the father of a fall 2007 prospective Antioch student and read your piece dated March 27th. I am writing you because the conflict and bad vibes flying around the various web sites give me real reason to hesitate encouraging him to attend. Indeed, it is difficult to find anything positive about the place on-line other than the official web site and the "Colleges that change lives" book. I worked in Cincinnati, Chillicothe and Xenia, Ohio when I was an actor and visited Yellow Springs a couple of times. I have always been fond of Ohio, especially southern Ohio. I went to both small and large colleges/universities and feel that a small school is the right place for my student - at least as an undergraduate, but it seems from the various websites that Antioch is on the verge of vanishing, going broke and that much of the staff/faculty has been canned; the place is mold infested, the campus a mess and the food un eatable .. It goes on and on. {I am prepared for a certain amount of grousing from current students, but these guys seem to be on a mission] We are deciding between Antioch and Hartwick in Oneonta, NY, but need to hear something positive about Antioch before sending him off to a school that might just suddenly close the doors. The admissions staff has been absolutely great and I have enjoyed talking to them and appreciated their efforts. My student has visited the college with his mother and they both feel that the conversational, cross discipline method of teaching would be very good for him, but I am reading that this is in danger of being phased out just as it starts. Help us out here, could you? Change is a good thing, but there needs to be some sort of continuity. It's hard to learn in a negative environment with the vague idea that your school is on the edge of folding. Best regards, Pinkney Mikell Ardsley NY From yazz at 230volts.net Tue Apr 24 15:12:53 2007 From: yazz at 230volts.net (Yazz D. Atlas) Date: Tue Apr 24 15:24:29 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Prospective students In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1CF3C461-C5FE-4DF6-A190-B6CB023249E6@230volts.net> Hi Pinkney Mikell, I'm Yazz Atlas a graduated of Antioch College, 1997. If you been searching the web you might have stumbled onto my website http:// antirecord.org (It was called AntiochSucks.com no so long ago). Now reading my website your going to find out interesting things going on at the College. However not everything on my site is as bad as it might seem. I'm not out to bad talk the College but to create a dialog with as much information as I can for Alumni and Students off campus. Only a very small handful of Alumni and Students submit stories and comment, and just like the real world evening TV news people submit bad news over good news. Its almost the nature of Antioch Alumni and Students to question the College and University. Its this questioning that Antioch actually encourages its student body to do. The College and the Student body fight back and forth at least once a year or more it seems. Like the real world with its politics, campus is a very dynamic environment with ups and downs. With that said I loved my time at Antioch College, the students, classes, and co-op. For me co-op was the main driving item. I was able to explore multiple jobs before deciding which direction I really wanted to focus in on. The small classes and the Professors willing to take that extra time to make sure I got it. I started in the communications department and continued into the science building doing computer science. At the time it was the students wiring up parts of the campus Internet with the OK from the College. I don't think I could have done that at a larger school. If you can I would recommend having just your kid visit the campus. Twice, both officially as a Prospective Student but if possible just to hangout near the "Caf Stoop" on a weekend to mingle with other students. Visit some of the dorm common rooms and actually chat with students. The trick is to find some students that have been there 2 or 3 years. They will have a little more rounded view of what is going on. Since there is always a new cause to fight for on campus first year students sometimes focus in on that one issue to tightly. Talk to students in the Community Government, CG, and if your able to be there during the week get permission to sit in on a class or two. If your child is willing to standup for there views but is still willing to flex, listen and learn from others the education at Antioch will suit them well. If they like small classes and one-on- one teaching Antioch is great for that too. Antioch lets a student get away with a lot and lets students fall on there face too. However if the student does the work and shows up for class they are going to learn more maybe than being number 132 out of 250 plus State school class taught by a over loaded Professor that actually hands most of the teaching to the TA. Antioch is not for everyone, I feel like saying, "The Few, The Proud, The Antiochians. Changing the world one student at a time". *laughs* There are other small Colleges out there, like Hartwick. However I don't know enough about them to actually comment about them. The differences are ones that your going to have to find out for yourself. Let me know what you think after you visit Antioch and can compare it to your visit to Hartwick. I'd be interested in knowing. As for the economic state of the College I don't know where it is. I am however happy to tell you that recently they have some people in the Main building that are working hard to put a good face on Antioch. Working to improve student life and keep the quality of education high. So explore Antioch with an open mind, because Alumni and Students are vocal doesn't mean the College is not good choice. It means we just care maybe a little more than others about Antioch College. Good luck with your search for the right school. -Yazz Atlas 1997 http://antirecord.org (PS: Forgive my typo's and grammar errors. I have a high level of dyslexia and this e-mail was not reviewed by others before I sent it.) From emiller at antioch-college.edu Wed Apr 25 10:01:26 2007 From: emiller at antioch-college.edu (Eric Miller) Date: Wed Apr 25 10:12:39 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 2, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <20070424192430.D1E585F91EBB@w3.antioch.edu> References: <20070424192430.D1E585F91EBB@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu writes: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUNet5IkrAU In this short there is at least one student whom I know identifies as African American. I think there are at least 7 students of color (broadly defined) Latino/a, Middle Eastern, South Asian. We need more African American students. Send us some if you can. Eric Miller '81 Assistant Professor of Cooperative Education From mbrower32 at comcast.net Wed Apr 25 18:59:10 2007 From: mbrower32 at comcast.net (Michael Brower) Date: Wed Apr 25 19:03:49 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Still a Fine College - Not About to Close Message-ID: <7897E309-33E3-44E1-8FC0-2FDD28509833@comcast.net> Yesterday Pinkney Mikell posted here a message directly to me looking for more information, and indeed anything positive at all about Antioch. His son is on the verge of choosing between Antioch and Hartwick College. He is very concerned about sending his son to Antioch because of, to quote from his post of yesterday ?the conflict and bad vibes flying around the various web sites? Last night I called Mr. Mikell. We had a fine conversation for about half an hour. Here are some of my specific answers to some of the concerns he raised here yesterday. Unfortunately, from the other blogs filled with student and alumni complaints he had gained the mistaken impression that everything is going wrong with Antioch, nothing is right about it, and that it is, or may be, on the verge of closing. Of course none of this is true. I wish that the chronic critics who love to post their complaints would consider their impacts on the outside world and particularly on prospective students, parents, donors and employers. I told Mr. Mikell that since June 2004 I have been on campus over half a dozen times and that each time I have spent a lot of time in the Caf and C-shop eating with and chatting with current students. And that the overwhelming majority of first year students are pleased with their first year cross-disciplinary Learning Communities, although a few only after making a switch. Upperclass students do have some complaints. Among their concerns are: A) the Board of Trustees decided in 2004 to implement Learning Communities and Coop Communities with no or almost no consultation with present students. B) These new 1st year Communities separated 1st yr students from upperclass students, C) The small size of the faculty and the time they had to spend in designing and offering the new courses left little time for advising upperclassmen, and D) some felt that the faculty was not deep enough in a field they were interested in. Here are some quotes from Mr. Mikell?s post, with some of my answers: 1) ?it seems from the various websites that Antioch is on the verge of vanishing, going broke. . .? No, said I, I don?t agree. The Renewal Commission plan has been implemented and the number of new students enrolled has grown dramatically since it first started. Yes, the staff has been cut, but the Trustees and Instiututional Advancement staff and Alumni are working hard to raise the funds to cover the difficlut transition years and to allow for expansion again. 2) Mr. Mikell again: ?and that much of the staff/faculty has been canned. . .? Not so, said I. President Lawry did have to cut back on staff, including a very popular Dean of Students. But Lawry protected every single faculty position, including those positions currently empty. 3) ?the place is mold infested, the campus a mess and the food un- eatable .. It goes on and on. {I am prepared for a certain amount of grousing from current students, but these guys seem to be on a mission]? I told him that the worst allegedly moldy building had just been torn down (actually burned), that other older buildings are being re- furbished, although not always as fast as students would like to see, and that the Cafeteria food is excellent, in fact much better than that of most cafeterias I have been in for years. 4) Mr. Mikell said they were concerned about his son choosing Antioch, ?a school that might just suddenly close the doors.? And later he wrote: ?It's hard to learn in a negative environment with the vague idea that your school is on the edge of folding.? I told him that I suppose this is still possible, but I consider it highly unlikely. Instead, I think that President Lawry, the Chancellor, the Board of Trustees, and the Alumni, are all highly committed to renovating and rejuvenating and improving and expanding Antioch. I also told him about our Alumni hard work to build active, alive, and vital Alumni chapters in a dozen or more cities, and that these will help the Admissions, Development and Coop Departments far more than in recent decades. 5) Mr. Mikell closed with some positive impressions but also another related concern. He wrote: ?The admissions staff has been absolutely great and I have enjoyed talking to them and appreciated their efforts. My student has visited the college with his mother and they both feel that the conversational, cross discipline method of teaching would be very good for him, but I am reading that this is in danger of being phased out just as it starts.? In response I told him that in March I had heard a panel of faculty discuss the Learning Community model and that they were considering reducing it to only one, the fall, semester but were NOT considering phasing it out. 6) I added that Antioch has for many decades had small classes, a very talented and caring faculty encouraging class discussions, plus the pioneering Co-op and Community Government opportunities, both of which I had learned a huge amount from. Mr. Mikell appreciated my call and sounded greatly relived to hear that Antioch is not about to close its doors and that there are still many good things to say about it. All you complainers, please think about the wider impact of your words! From bobabramspe at webtv.net Wed Apr 25 20:12:35 2007 From: bobabramspe at webtv.net (Robert Abrams) Date: Wed Apr 25 20:24:17 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] (no subject) Message-ID: AVE ATQUE VALE (Hail and farewell-the gladiator's salutation) From conniecrockett at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 25 21:21:31 2007 From: conniecrockett at sbcglobal.net (Connie Crockett) Date: Wed Apr 25 21:32:53 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Prospective students In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7738B424-F394-11DB-B7D5-003065A4295C@sbcglobal.net> Hello, Pinkney! I'd like to weigh in on your son's decision as a graduate of Antioch (Class of 1976), a former faculty wife and as a neighbor for nearly 30 years. Antioch is a contentious place. Every decision can be deemed of utmost importance, worthy of debate. It's the nature of the people who attend, and the fact that it's always allowed students to be a part of the governance. This overwrought atmosphere teaches students that everyday life is political, and expects them to be more than spectators. I think Antioch is doing something really interesting with the new form of learning communities and that they may be as innovative a contribution to higher education as the coop program was at inception. Many fine people are teaching here, and the students I encounter are as driven towards their particular goals as Antiochians have always been. I hope your son will give it a chance. I have often thought that it might have been nice to attend a college more stable and nurturing, but it was certainly never dull! I met many bright and committed people who inspire me to this day. The school needs more resources, no question. I just made my biggest contribution ever because I see Steven Lawry as a leader worth backing. Your thoughtful letter leads me to believe that your son will be an asset to the community. I appreciate your concerns and wish your family the best as you weigh this important decision. Connie Crockett From duffy at antioch-college.edu Thu Apr 26 08:53:56 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Thu Apr 26 09:05:12 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Prospective students In-Reply-To: <7738B424-F394-11DB-B7D5-003065A4295C@sbcglobal.net> References: <7738B424-F394-11DB-B7D5-003065A4295C@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Thank you...Connie Crockett....a sane and local voice who actually sees the big picture. Since I work here at the Library I can tell folks that the students are brighter than in decades...but there is way too few of them to balance the budget.. and we have some cultural tweakings to do and lotsa physical plant deferred maintenance to do..plus the college keeps get taken by cheating and cuting corners sub-contractors. working here takes so much adrenalin because of money worries...and other foolishnesses. I do wish that folks would give some money along with their opinions. ,,,and visit and refer us to friends. Duffy From eayres at comcast.net Thu Apr 26 11:26:06 2007 From: eayres at comcast.net (E. Daniel Ayres) Date: Thu Apr 26 11:37:40 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Learning team advisors? Message-ID: <000001c78817$37ee54e0$6400a8c0@SVC1> I'm wondering if there is a process defined yet for involving Antioch Alumnae on an ongoing basis in the creation and maintenance of learning teams. Those of us who are retired, especially with special skills, could provide a sustainability factor for a learning cluster which might outlive both student and faculty terms of commitment. In my own case, I am about to embark on the formation of a 501c3 enterprise. The enterprise will be on the net under the banner "afforestation.org." Its goal is the creation of new forest for a sustainable future, and the creation of the enterprise which will be required to develop, protect, and eventually benefit. The market for standing timber currently appreciates at 7% a year or more, certainly an attractive investment opportunity. Antioch, and Antioch New England have long standing traditions of environmental concern and entrepreneurial spirit. I can use all the help I can get. Within a year or two, we could be producing a continuous stream of co-op work, have a laboratory for tree propagation science under development, and contracts with various land trusts which have been aggressively locking up farmland and threatened open spaces under conservation easements, etc. to provide forestry and forest development services. Legal contracts with the landowner partner in a planting project would assure afforestation.org control over the development and harvest planning for project sites. Eventually the growth of maturing projects would provide the funding to bootstrap a massive and continuous planting effort which will be required to restore the planet to some kind of ecological balance. I have said, partly in jest, the contract has to be a strong one. If necessary, it may read, "If you cut the forest without permission, we can shoot you." The legal basis for such agreements can probably be found in the tradition of share cropping. The forest genetics research opportunities created by the necessity of producing adaptive plantings capable of withstanding or taking advantage of global warming are monumental. Who knows, maybe we could create a vegetative Jurassic Park in the next century or two. Any takers? Other ideas? E. Daniel Ayres, AKA ZundapMan 734-395-9141 (cell) 734-434-9694 (home) http://home.comcast.net/~eayres From mlhoganjr at hotmail.com Thu Apr 26 12:14:17 2007 From: mlhoganjr at hotmail.com (Michael Hogan) Date: Thu Apr 26 12:25:59 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Prospective students Message-ID: Maybe a very recent graduate's voice would help here. Having just graduated (the last generation before the new co-op format), the people who were with me really made an Antioch education what they wanted it to be. Resources may have been lacking in the hard sciences and computer science (the latter was non-existent by the time I graduated), but Antioch's true strength was the quality of their social science classes. I feel that the bulk of the people who complained the most were people who did not take part in the student governance that Connie wrote about. Then again, this is usually the case wherever you go. On the other hand, in a worldwide workplace that increasingly sees a bachelor's degree about as weighty as a driver's license, Antioch and the Social and Global Sciences Department (Poli. Sci. and Economics) prepared me for a post-graduate degree better than many of my friends that went to other liberal arts schools. I have friends who graduated with or near me at Antioch that are already pursuing master's, Ph.D , medical and law degrees. No offense to my fellow alumnas from older generations, but there sure is a lot of doom and gloom spread around sometimes for how many advanced degrees recent grads end up achieving. Good luck with your decision. --Mike Hogan (Antioch Class of 2004), William Mitchell College of Law (Class of 2009, God willing) _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the i’m Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 From brian at tangent.org Thu Apr 26 12:39:57 2007 From: brian at tangent.org (Brian Aker) Date: Thu Apr 26 12:51:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Prospective students In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi! On Apr 26, 2007, at 9:14 AM, Michael Hogan wrote: > I have friends who graduated with or near me at Antioch that are > already pursuing master's, Ph.D , medical and law degrees. No > offense to my fellow alumnas from older generations, but there sure > is a lot of doom and gloom spread around sometimes for how many > advanced degrees recent grads end up achieving. Can you explain this? When I was a student in the early 90's, 8 out of 9 with BS degrees went on to graduate degrees. Cheers, -Brian From mlhoganjr at hotmail.com Thu Apr 26 15:25:15 2007 From: mlhoganjr at hotmail.com (Michael Hogan) Date: Thu Apr 26 15:36:57 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Prospective students In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It could be just the way I see things, but there's this tendency to think things are always going in a downward spiral at the college. Granted, there are money problems, but every university and college is having these problems. A lot of this comes from long-time graduates (again, just my perception); no one in my graduating class is saying these things. We're not blind to the fact that the college has serious financial problems, but I don't know anyone in my class that feels they put in the hard work and didn't walk away with a good education. >From: Brian Aker >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Prospective students >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:39:57 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc5-f8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 26 >Apr 2007 09:40:15 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F15B5F95E76;Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:51:51 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mail.tangent.org (shiitake.tangent.org [216.39.139.193])by >w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C285F95E57for >; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:51:47 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from [172.24.48.232] >(sccc-66-78-236-255.smartcity.com[66.78.236.255]) (authenticated bits=0)by >mail.tangent.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id >l3QGdv6X012667(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO)for >; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:40:06 -0700 >X-Message-Info: >LsUYwwHHNt0EuaIDMiRAbEugO54fnYucn+Qa0oRx34fPQ4BJKQaPpENqCpujc9Uz >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >References: >X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) >X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed >bymilter-greylist-2.0.2 (mail.tangent.org [216.39.139.193]);Thu, 26 Apr >2007 09:40:07 -0700 (PDT) >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2007 16:40:16.0078 (UTC) >FILETIME=[918FFEE0:01C78821] > >Hi! > >On Apr 26, 2007, at 9:14 AM, Michael Hogan wrote: > >>I have friends who graduated with or near me at Antioch that are already >>pursuing master's, Ph.D , medical and law degrees. No offense to my >>fellow alumnas from older generations, but there sure is a lot of doom >>and gloom spread around sometimes for how many advanced degrees recent >>grads end up achieving. > >Can you explain this? When I was a student in the early 90's, 8 out of 9 >with BS degrees went on to graduate degrees. > >Cheers, > -Brian > > > >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From smith_jl at bellsouth.net Thu Apr 26 18:34:54 2007 From: smith_jl at bellsouth.net (J. Lawrence Smith) Date: Thu Apr 26 18:49:00 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum Message-ID: People, Please, please, please check your posts before you hit the send button. Spellchecker is a wonderful tool, but even it doesn?t prevent improper grammar usage and strange (unconventional) sentence structure from being sent out into the ether. I have been dismayed (appalled is perhaps too strong) at some of the things I?ve read coming from some of my fellow Antiochians in the past weeks. It is not the content of what has been said, but the sloppy way in which it has been presented. Just as there have been many requests to tone down the negative attitudes, expressions and opinions in order not to turn off prospective parents and students from choosing Antioch, so do I now ask that we take the time to put forth a better image of what an Antioch education might produce by paying closer attention to what we write in this and any other medium. Both of my sons opted for schools, which, in their own ways, could be considered the antithesis of Antioch, so YSO was never in the running when we were looking for schools. However, if we were still in that process I would be very hesitant to put forth some of the writings on this board as an example to them of what they might expect from an Antioch education. I?m not talking about the popular shorthand like ?UR? for ?you are?. I?m referring to blatant misspelling and misuse of the English language as well as careless typing. I am from a generation where things like proper spelling and grammar are the least of the things expected of college graduates. Perhaps that is not as important today, but I don?t think I?m too far off the mark when I say that there is at least one prospective parent who has been unimpressed enough with some of the careless writing on this board to want to dissuade his/her child from considering Antioch. So please just take a little time to look over what you?ve written before you send it. Whether what you share here is positive or negative, at least make it readable. JL Smith YSO ?72 (And I said a little prayer that I haven?t overlooked some dunderheaded error while lambasting others to be careful) :-) From yazz at 230volts.net Thu Apr 26 21:01:52 2007 From: yazz at 230volts.net (Yazz D. Atlas) Date: Thu Apr 26 21:15:06 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6CA2E60F-167F-4AB5-A86E-32285148F846@230volts.net> Well if you really want me to send you my e-mail to you for spelling and grammar corrections, great! Being dyslexic and e-mail don't mix well. Its the main reason why I normally lurk in the background instead of submitting any e-mails to the [Alumni-chat]. I'm not trying to make light of the fact that poor spelling and grammar look bad. Its just not that easy for some of us to correct on our own. While I was a student and required to write papers I relied on others to check for me. Even today I do that with co-workers. I still have a hard time, leaving whole parts of sentences out even. In my head I complete the sentence but it never makes it to the paper. When I re- read what I have typed it looks good to me. While in fact its missing words and might be full of mistakes. Spellcheckers help and so does Text to Speech tools. They kinda sounds like Steven Hawkins, now if only I could write as well as he does... Oh a side note, for some fun reading this: http://www.mrc- cbu.cam.ac.uk/~mattd/Cmabrigde/ -Yazz D. Atlas 1997 (PS: Here is some perl code to generate your own scrambled text: http://www.jwz.org/hacks/scrmable.pl ) On Apr 26, 2007, at 3:34 PM, J. Lawrence Smith wrote: > People, > > Please, please, please check your posts before you hit the send > button. > Spellchecker is a wonderful tool, but even it doesn?t prevent > improper grammar > usage and strange (unconventional) sentence structure from being > sent out into > the ether. > > From marnoldtk at yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 22:04:13 2007 From: marnoldtk at yahoo.com (Matthew Arnold) Date: Thu Apr 26 22:15:55 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum Message-ID: <152040.41142.qm@web53406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I do a fair amount of editing of other people's writing in my line of work -- captains of industry, heads of ginormous communications firms, accomplished medical and scientific professionals and other curiosities. And I'm here to tell you, there's lots of highly-degreed, highly-compensated, silly powerful people out there who couldn't spell, punctuate, capitalize or just plain write their way through a Dick and Jane Adventure, especially in email. So far I really haven't seen anything on this list to call out the grammar police for. Standards of grammatical acceptability are slipping in this age of instant textual communication, and frankly, that's a trend I'd like to see continue. Puts food on the table. Matt '99 ----- Original Message ---- From: J. Lawrence Smith To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:34:54 PM Subject: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum People, Please, please, please check your posts before you hit the send button. Spellchecker is a wonderful tool, but even it doesn?t prevent improper grammar usage and strange (unconventional) sentence structure from being sent out into the ether. I have been dismayed (appalled is perhaps too strong) at some of the things I?ve read coming from some of my fellow Antiochians in the past weeks. It is not the content of what has been said, but the sloppy way in which it has been presented. Just as there have been many requests to tone down the negative attitudes, expressions and opinions in order not to turn off prospective parents and students from choosing Antioch, so do I now ask that we take the time to put forth a better image of what an Antioch education might produce by paying closer attention to what we write in this and any other medium. Both of my sons opted for schools, which, in their own ways, could be considered the antithesis of Antioch, so YSO was never in the running when we were looking for schools. However, if we were still in that process I would be very hesitant to put forth some of the writings on this board as an example to them of what they might expect from an Antioch education. I?m not talking about the popular shorthand like ?UR? for ?you are?. I?m referring to blatant misspelling and misuse of the English language as well as careless typing. I am from a generation where things like proper spelling and grammar are the least of the things expected of college graduates. Perhaps that is not as important today, but I don?t think I?m too far off the mark when I say that there is at least one prospective parent who has been unimpressed enough with some of the careless writing on this board to want to dissuade his/her child from considering Antioch. So please just take a little time to look over what you?ve written before you send it. Whether what you share here is positive or negative, at least make it readable. JL Smith YSO ?72 (And I said a little prayer that I haven?t overlooked some dunderheaded error while lambasting others to be careful) :-) _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From duffy at antioch-college.edu Fri Apr 27 08:23:28 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Fri Apr 27 08:34:50 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum In-Reply-To: <6CA2E60F-167F-4AB5-A86E-32285148F846@230volts.net> References: <6CA2E60F-167F-4AB5-A86E-32285148F846@230volts.net> Message-ID: Attention pompous grammar nazis......chat is chat and that is that. This is an informal discussion and does not "hafta" be grammatically perfect. You take yourself way too seriously. Sanctimonious grammar nazis..please give yourself and the rest of us a break. Some of us are multitasking and have older eyes..... and don't have time to compose a perfect and stodgy post. Lighten up. Duffy '77 From stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk Fri Apr 27 08:36:44 2007 From: stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk (Stephanie Scott) Date: Fri Apr 27 08:46:43 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum In-Reply-To: References: <6CA2E60F-167F-4AB5-A86E-32285148F846@230volts.net> Message-ID: <2BA1540C27924EC4BA9B3C67E19849A6@Stephanie> All sympathy to the dyslexics among us, and it is true that a lot of dyslexics are quite talented and successful, but I agree with the grammar grad - he isn't a nazi. I know email is less formal than other forms of communication but a little more care and attention to spelling, grammar and punctuation would not go amiss. He is right; it is what we should expect of a college grad. And I know I make mistakes, before anyone calls me pompous too! Leave grammar guy alone - he is well intentioned and he makes a good point. Steph '89 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Duffy" To: "Alumni Chat List" Cc: "Alumni Chat List" Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum Attention pompous grammar nazis......chat is chat and that is that. This is an informal discussion and does not "hafta" be grammatically perfect. You take yourself way too seriously. Sanctimonious grammar nazis..please give yourself and the rest of us a break. Some of us are multitasking and have older eyes..... and don't have time to compose a perfect and stodgy post. Lighten up. Duffy '77 _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From smith_jl at bellsouth.net Fri Apr 27 08:41:07 2007 From: smith_jl at bellsouth.net (J. Lawrence Smith) Date: Fri Apr 27 08:52:55 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Whatever.... You obviously missed my point. The End. JL '72 (which probably makes my eyes older than yours) -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu]On Behalf Of Steven Duffy Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:23 AM To: Alumni Chat List Cc: Alumni Chat List Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum Attention pompous grammar nazis......chat is chat and that is that. This is an informal discussion and does not "hafta" be grammatically perfect. You take yourself way too seriously. Sanctimonious grammar nazis..please give yourself and the rest of us a break. Some of us are multitasking and have older eyes..... and don't have time to compose a perfect and stodgy post. Lighten up. Duffy '77 _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From smith_jl at bellsouth.net Fri Apr 27 08:43:22 2007 From: smith_jl at bellsouth.net (J. Lawrence Smith) Date: Fri Apr 27 08:55:09 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum In-Reply-To: <2BA1540C27924EC4BA9B3C67E19849A6@Stephanie> Message-ID: And you obviously DID get my point. -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu]On Behalf Of Stephanie Scott Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:37 AM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum All sympathy to the dyslexics among us, and it is true that a lot of dyslexics are quite talented and successful, but I agree with the grammar grad - he isn't a nazi. I know email is less formal than other forms of communication but a little more care and attention to spelling, grammar and punctuation would not go amiss. He is right; it is what we should expect of a college grad. And I know I make mistakes, before anyone calls me pompous too! Leave grammar guy alone - he is well intentioned and he makes a good point. Steph '89 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Duffy" To: "Alumni Chat List" Cc: "Alumni Chat List" Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum Attention pompous grammar nazis......chat is chat and that is that. This is an informal discussion and does not "hafta" be grammatically perfect. You take yourself way too seriously. Sanctimonious grammar nazis..please give yourself and the rest of us a break. Some of us are multitasking and have older eyes..... and don't have time to compose a perfect and stodgy post. Lighten up. Duffy '77 _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From duffy at antioch-college.edu Fri Apr 27 10:47:58 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Fri Apr 27 10:59:48 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- Friday, April 27, 2007 10:14:11 AM Urgent Pulse From: Dana Patterson Subject: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King To: Pulse Announcements Today would have been the 80th birthday of the late Coretta Scott King. She left those of us at Antioch College a wonderful gift in her name and her legacy through the CSKC for Cultural and Intellectual Freedom. As we contemplate our many freedoms today, be mindful of those who dedicated (and continue to do so) their lives to our collective freedom. Today be especially mindful of Coretta Scott King and the example she provided in a life of courage, dignity and respect for others across difference. I am including a brief bio (just in case). Peace, Dana Mrs. Coretta Scott King Human Rights Activist and Leader ~ Biographical Information ~ Coretta Scott King was one of the most influential women leaders of our time. Prepared by her family, education, and personality for a life committed to social justice and peace, she entered the world stage in 1955 as wife of the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and as a leading participant in the American Civil Rights Movement. Her remarkable partnership with Dr. King resulted not only in four talented children, but in a life devoted to the highest values of human dignity in service to social change. Mrs. King traveled throughout our nation and world speaking out on behalf of racial and economic justice, women's and children's rights, gay and lesbian dignity, religious freedom, the needs of the poor and homeless, full-employment, health care, educational opportunities, nuclear disarmament and ecological sanity. Born and raised in Marion, Alabama, Coretta Scott graduated valedictorian from Lincoln High School. She received a B.A. in music and education from Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio, and then went on to study concert singing at Boston's New England Conservatory of Music, where she earned a degree in voice and violin. While in Boston she met Martin Luther King, Jr. who was then studying for his doctorate in systematic theology at Boston University. They were married on June 18, 1953. During Dr. King's career, Mrs. King devoted most of her time to raising their four children: Yolanda Denise (1955), Martin Luther, III (1957), Dexter Scott (1961), and Bernice Albertine (1963). From the earliest days, however, she balanced mothering and movement work, speaking before church, civic, college, fraternal and peace groups.~ After her husband's assassination in 1968, Mrs. King devoted much of her energy and attention to developing programs and building the Atlanta-based Martin Luther King, Jr. Center for Nonviolent Social Change as a living memorial to her husband's life and dream. Mrs. King spearheaded the massive educational and lobbying campaign to establish Dr. King's birthday as a national holiday. In 1983, an act of Congress instituted the Martin Luther King, Jr. Federal Holiday Commission, which she chaired for its duration. And in January 1986, Mrs. King oversaw the first legal holiday in honor of her husband--a holiday which has come to be celebrated by millions of people world-wide and, in some form, in over 100 countries. Coretta Scott King departed this life on January 30, 2006. ~ Dana Murray Patterson, PhD Director, Coretta Scott King Center for Cultural and Intellectual Freedom and Special Assistant to the President for Institutional Diversity Antioch College, Yellow Springs, Ohio (937) 769-1785 office dpatterson@antioch-college.edu From mbrower32 at comcast.net Fri Apr 27 13:30:36 2007 From: mbrower32 at comcast.net (Michael Brower) Date: Fri Apr 27 13:35:21 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] How much grammar? Those who care are NOT Nazis! Message-ID: <7CDB8661-BF3E-4F7C-A18B-CA1C32FC1371@comcast.net> Hey, Duffy, old friend, and you other youngsters not around during the Nazi era! Please, please, please do not weaken and cheapen the meaning and legacy of Nazis by applying their uniquely horrible behavior to those who write to request better grammar in our writing. THe Nazis under Hitler created concentration camps and gas ovens and killed at least 6 million Jews and hundreds of thousands of Russians, French, british and US troops. The term Nazi should be reserved to represent the horrors of genocide and of letting a country slide into Fascism. (Which, by-the-way the US is on the path towards. I am currently writing my speech on Impeaching the Pres and VP for tomorrow's citizen's rally in Boston - but that;s another topic.) Duffy and others: How about a tough but less historically meaning- loaded term, like: "grammar police?" On how much attention to grammar and spelling on this chat board? I am in the middle - torn between both sides. I have a dyslexic daughter who knows she must get proof reading help, and sometimes does. I myself don't always take enough time to proof read what I write. However, lets all remember that prospies and their parents are also reading here, and some are wondering about the quality of Antioch education. Like it or not, we are its reps. Regards to all, Mike Brower '55 From mbrower32 at comcast.net Fri Apr 27 13:44:12 2007 From: mbrower32 at comcast.net (Michael Brower) Date: Fri Apr 27 13:48:56 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King Message-ID: <96F8C943-9840-4171-A989-71A677FD3074@comcast.net> Hi, Dana, Thanks for posting the reminder to us of our fellow Alumna Coretta Scott King, of her Birthday 80 years ago today, and of the great legacy she left for us and all the people of the world. I had the honor of being in the Kelly Hall audience at Reunioin almost 3 years ago and hear her address at Antioch. What a beautiful, intelligent, courageous and gracious woman! She is one of the various reasons I am so proud to be an Antiochian. And in that speech she gave Antioch great credit for helping her move from the small town south to the modern urban but only partly integrated world. As you well know, many biographers and others have given her a big chunk of credit for helping Martin Luther King, Jr. move beyond his initial focus on discrimination in the south to embracing the anti-war movement (in Vietnam War times) and against discrimination and violence world wide. How we need the minds and hearts and courage of both of them now, in these times so filled with prejudice and imperialism and war and violence today. We would all do well to read their words, study their history, and pledge to try to make our own lives a model of their courage and leadership. -- Mike Brower '55 From Sistersara at aol.com Sat Apr 28 02:07:14 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 28 02:19:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] How much grammar? Those who care are NOT Nazis! Message-ID: In a message dated 4/27/2007 12:24:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mbrower32@comcast.net writes: The term Nazi should be reserved to represent the horrors of genocide and of letting a country slide into Fascism. (Which, by-the-way the US is on the path towards. I am currently writing my speech on Impeaching the Pres and VP for tomorrow's citizen's rally in Boston - but that;s another topic.) Sorry, NAZI is a forshortening of NSDAP, which translates as the National Socialist German Workers' Party. It didn't slide into Fascism -- it was the German form of Fascism from the get go. And it does not necessarily stand for genocide. Racism (Culture and Religion miscomprehended as race) was central to it, but it was not the only possible outcome of the ideology. Personally, these days while it is not all that well understood for lack of historical memory, I prefer the use of the term NASSI as a short lived stupid notion for what to call authoritarian totalitarianism. When the Berlin Wall came crashing down, but before the "Volk" got around to crashing into the Stasi headquarters, the E. German Government briefly changed the name of the "security police" to NASSI -- and then everyone had a great laugh as to how the former Stasi could be so stupid with their name change. The Gestapo lived for 12 years -- the Stasi for over 40. We as Americans ought to be able to say what we mean without badly muddling German History, references and the names of things. Why not just talk about the Klan? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From Sistersara at aol.com Sat Apr 28 02:54:47 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 28 03:07:14 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King Message-ID: In a message dated 4/27/2007 9:48:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time, duffy@antioch-college.edu writes: She received a B.A. in music and education from Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio, and then went on to study concert singing at Boston's New England Conservatory of Music, where she earned a degree in voice and violin. Dana, could you publish please something a little more in depth. Coretta Scott as an Antioch Student, selected Manmatha Nath Chatterjee as her mentor -- Chatterjee was the professor of Sociology at Antioch from the late 1920's till the mid 1950's. He was not trained as a Sociologist, rather as an engineer, with graduate work in Germany and then he received his doctorate from Edinburgh in the late 1920's. He was sent to the US by Gandhi as his personal representative. Arthur Morgan hired him, and simply re-baptized him as a Sociologist in the late 1920's -- but from then on he was essentially the ambassador for Gandhi and Gandhi's methods of conflict resolution in the US. One of the attractions for Coretta coming to Antioch in the 1940's was to study with Gandhi's close friend and personal rep -- and you know she took every class he offered while she was on campus. (Before it is too late, could you please get participants in these courses to write about them, and perhaps about Coretta's participation?) I happen to think that while Taylor Branch's near 2300 page bio of Martin Luther King is fantastic -- and anyone interested in social change should closely read the three volumes, he did a great disservice to Coretta by not going into detail regarding her studies of non-violent direct action with Chatterjee. She was far more the classically trained learned intellectual on the whole of the subject than was Martin -- and in fact, Martin had to learn from her. While many of the people who knew about such things are now dead -- try to find out about things like the influence of Chatterjee in sending Baynard Ruskin to Montgomery in early 1956 to help with the Bus Boycott because of Coretta's requests. Try to answer the question as to why Non-Violence was her life long philosophy and how she constructed it. Other Antioch-Coretta topics -- Coretta's long term relationship with her Academic Advisor, Walter Anderson and who was he and what was he about? Coretta's relationship with the Treichlers -- Jesse and Paul. Jesse was also an advisor (and she hosted the King Children summers in Yellow Springs for many years so as to give them an out of the spotlight Normal life of running in the Glen and riding bikes around town and all) and Paul directed "Shakespeare Under the Stars" productions -- in which Coretta was an understudy and frequent spear carrier. Want to know where her idea of stage presence came from??? Anyhow, an Antioch Bio of Coretta ought to include real Antioch stuff. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From mlance at antioch-college.edu Sat Apr 28 15:02:04 2007 From: mlance at antioch-college.edu (Madeline Lance) Date: Sat Apr 28 15:13:31 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 2, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <20070428061940.5E7EE5F991C5@w3.antioch.edu> References: <20070428061940.5E7EE5F991C5@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: Duffy and others: Personally, I find sloppy grammar and spelling a real turn-off. Isn't writing well an Antioch hallmark -- the very foundation of an Antioch education. It would give me pause as a parent to see such 'sloppy' messages on this post. Just thought I would share my thoughts..... Madeline Lance (now in Arizona) 15-year Antioch employee and non-traditional graduate of the college ('03) alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu on Saturday, April 28, 2007 at 2:19 AM wrote: >Send Alumni-chat mailing list submissions to > alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu > >You can reach the person managing the list at > alumni-chat-owner@w3.antioch.edu > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Alumni-chat digest..." >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: A plea from an alum (Yazz D. Atlas) > 2. Re: A plea from an alum (Matthew Arnold) > 3. Re: A plea from an alum (Steven Duffy) > 4. Re: A plea from an alum (Stephanie Scott) > 5. RE: A plea from an alum (J. Lawrence Smith) > 6. RE: A plea from an alum (J. Lawrence Smith) > 7. Fwd: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King (Steven Duffy) > 8. How much grammar? Those who care are NOT Nazis! (Michael Brower) > 9. Fwd: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King (Michael Brower) > 10. Re: How much grammar? Those who care are NOT Nazis! > (Sistersara@aol.com) >--===============0314441604== >Content-Type: message/rfc822 >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From: "Yazz D. Atlas" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) >To: Alumni Chat List >References: >In-Reply-To: >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:01:52 -0700 >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >Message-ID: <6CA2E60F-167F-4AB5-A86E-32285148F846@230volts.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum >Message: 1 > >Well if you really want me to send you my e-mail to you for spelling =20 >and grammar corrections, great! Being dyslexic and e-mail don't mix =20 >well. Its the main reason why I normally lurk in the background =20 >instead of submitting any e-mails to the [Alumni-chat]. I'm not =20 >trying to make light of the fact that poor spelling and grammar look =20 >bad. Its just not that easy for some of us to correct on our own. =20 >While I was a student and required to write papers I relied on others =20= > >to check for me. Even today I do that with co-workers. I still have =20 >a hard time, leaving whole parts of sentences out even. In my head I =20 >complete the sentence but it never makes it to the paper. When I re-=20 >read what I have typed it looks good to me. While in fact its missing =20= > >words and might be full of mistakes. Spellcheckers help and so does =20 >Text to Speech tools. They kinda sounds like Steven Hawkins, now if =20 >only I could write as well as he does... > >Oh a side note, for some fun reading this: http://www.mrc-=20 >cbu.cam.ac.uk/~mattd/Cmabrigde/ > >-Yazz D. Atlas 1997 > >(PS: Here is some perl code to generate your own scrambled text: =20 >http://www.jwz.org/hacks/scrmable.pl ) > > >On Apr 26, 2007, at 3:34 PM, J. Lawrence Smith wrote: > >> People, >> >> Please, please, please check your posts before you hit the send =20 >> button. >> Spellchecker is a wonderful tool, but even it doesn=92t prevent =20 >> improper grammar >> usage and strange (unconventional) sentence structure from being =20 >> sent out into >> the ether. >> >> > > > >--===============0314441604== >Content-Type: message/rfc822 >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From: Matthew Arnold >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: Alumni Chat List >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:04:13 -0700 (PDT) >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >Message-ID: <152040.41142.qm@web53406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum >Message: 2 > >I do a fair amount of editing of other people's writing in my line >of=0Awor= >k -- captains of industry, heads of ginormous communications >firms,=0Aaccom= >plished medical and scientific professionals and other=0Acuriosities. And >I= >'m here to tell you, there's lots of >highly-degreed,=0Ahighly-compensated, = >silly powerful people out there who couldn't spell,=0Apunctuate, >capitalize= > or just plain write their way through a Dick and=0AJane Adventure, >especia= >lly in email. So far I really haven't seen=0Aanything on this list to >call = >out the grammar police for. Standards of=0Agrammatical acceptability are >sl= >ipping in this age of instant textual=0Acommunication, and frankly, >that's = >a trend I'd like to see continue.=0APuts food on the table. >=0A=0A=0A=0AMat= >t '99=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: J. Lawrence Smith >bellsouth.net>=0ATo: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu=0ASent: Thursday, April >26,= > 2007 6:34:54 PM=0ASubject: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an >alum=0A=0APeople,= >=0A=0APlease, please, please check your posts before you hit the send >butto= >n.=0ASpellchecker is a wonderful tool, but even it doesn=92t prevent >improp= >er grammar=0Ausage and strange (unconventional) sentence structure from >bei= >ng sent out into=0Athe ether.=0A=0AI have been dismayed (appalled is >perhap= >s too strong) at some of the things I=92ve=0Aread coming from some of my >fe= >llow Antiochians in the past weeks. It is not the=0Acontent of what has >bee= >n said, but the sloppy way in which it has been=0Apresented.=0A=0A Just >as = >there have been many requests to tone down the negative >attitudes,=0Aexpres= >sions and opinions in order not to turn off prospective parents >and=0Astude= >nts from choosing Antioch, so do I now ask that we take the time to >put=0Af= >orth a better image of what an Antioch education might produce by paying >cl= >oser=0Aattention to what we write in this and any other medium.=0A=0ABoth >o= >f my sons opted for schools, which, in their own ways, could be >considered= >=0Athe antithesis of Antioch, so YSO was never in the running when we >were = >looking=0Afor schools. However, if we were still in that process I would >be= > very hesitant=0Ato put forth some of the writings on this board as an >exam= >ple to them of what=0Athey might expect from an Antioch education.=0A=0AI= >=92m not talking about the popular shorthand like =93UR=94 for =93you are= >=94. I=92m=0Areferring to blatant misspelling and misuse of the English >la= >nguage as well as=0Acareless typing. I am from a generation where things >li= >ke proper spelling and=0Agrammar are the least of the things expected of >co= >llege graduates. Perhaps that=0Ais not as important today, but I don=92t >th= >ink I=92m too far off the mark when I say=0Athat there is at least one >pros= >pective parent who has been unimpressed enough=0Awith some of the >careless = >writing on this board to want to dissuade his/her=0Achild from >considering = >Antioch.=0A=0ASo please just take a little time to look over what >you=92ve = >written before you=0Asend it. Whether what you share here is positive or >n= >egative, at least make it=0Areadable.=0A=0AJL Smith=0AYSO =9172=0A=0A(And >I= > said a little prayer that I haven=92t overlooked some dunderheaded error= >=0Awhile lambasting others to be careful) >:-)=0A__________________________= >_____________________=0AAlumni-chat mailing >list=0AAlumni-chat@w3.antioch.e= >du=0Ahttp://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= >=0A__________________________________________________=0ADo You >Yahoo!?=0ATi= >red of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >=0Ahttp://mai= >l.yahoo.com > >--===============0314441604== >Content-Type: message/rfc822 >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >From: "Steven Duffy" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: "Alumni Chat List" >To: "Alumni Chat List" >References: <6CA2E60F-167F-4AB5-A86E-32285148F846@230volts.net> >In-Reply-To: <6CA2E60F-167F-4AB5-A86E-32285148F846@230volts.net> >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:23:28 -0400 >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum >Message: 3 > >Attention pompous grammar nazis......chat is chat and that is that. > >This is an informal discussion and does not "hafta" be grammatically >perfect. You take yourself way too seriously. > >Sanctimonious grammar nazis..please give yourself and the rest of us a >break. Some of us are multitasking and have > >older eyes..... and don't have time to compose a perfect and stodgy >post. Lighten up. > >Duffy '77 > > > > >--===============0314441604== >Content-Type: message/rfc822 >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: "Stephanie Scott" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: "Alumni Chat List" >References: <6CA2E60F-167F-4AB5-A86E-32285148F846@230volts.net> > >In-Reply-To: >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:36:44 +0100 >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >Message-ID: <2BA1540C27924EC4BA9B3C67E19849A6@Stephanie> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum >Message: 4 > >All sympathy to the dyslexics among us, and it is true that a lot of >dyslexics are quite talented and successful, but I agree with the grammar >grad - he isn't a nazi. I know email is less formal than other forms of >communication but a little more care and attention to spelling, grammar >and >punctuation would not go amiss. He is right; it is what we should expect >of >a college grad. And I know I make mistakes, before anyone calls me >pompous >too! > >Leave grammar guy alone - he is well intentioned and he makes a good >point. > >Steph >'89 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steven Duffy" >To: "Alumni Chat List" >Cc: "Alumni Chat List" >Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:23 PM >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum > > >Attention pompous grammar nazis......chat is chat and that is that. > >This is an informal discussion and does not "hafta" be grammatically >perfect. You take yourself way too seriously. > >Sanctimonious grammar nazis..please give yourself and the rest of us a >break. Some of us are multitasking and have > >older eyes..... and don't have time to compose a perfect and stodgy >post. Lighten up. > >Duffy '77 > > >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > >--===============0314441604== >Content-Type: message/rfc822 >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: "J. Lawrence Smith" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: "Alumni Chat List" >In-Reply-To: >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:41:07 -0400 >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum >Message: 5 > >Whatever.... > >You obviously missed my point. > >The End. > >JL '72 (which probably makes my eyes older than yours) > >-----Original Message----- >From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >[mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu]On Behalf Of Steven Duffy >Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:23 AM >To: Alumni Chat List >Cc: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum > >Attention pompous grammar nazis......chat is chat and that is that. > >This is an informal discussion and does not "hafta" be grammatically >perfect. You take yourself way too seriously. > >Sanctimonious grammar nazis..please give yourself and the rest of us a >break. Some of us are multitasking and have > >older eyes..... and don't have time to compose a perfect and stodgy >post. Lighten up. > >Duffy '77 > > >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > >--===============0314441604== >Content-Type: message/rfc822 >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: "J. Lawrence Smith" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: "Alumni Chat List" >In-Reply-To: <2BA1540C27924EC4BA9B3C67E19849A6@Stephanie> >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:43:22 -0400 >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum >Message: 6 > >And you obviously DID get my point. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >[mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu]On Behalf Of Stephanie Scott >Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:37 AM >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum > >All sympathy to the dyslexics among us, and it is true that a lot of >dyslexics are quite talented and successful, but I agree with the grammar >grad - he isn't a nazi. I know email is less formal than other forms of >communication but a little more care and attention to spelling, grammar >and >punctuation would not go amiss. He is right; it is what we should expect >of >a college grad. And I know I make mistakes, before anyone calls me >pompous >too! > >Leave grammar guy alone - he is well intentioned and he makes a good >point. > >Steph >'89 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steven Duffy" >To: "Alumni Chat List" >Cc: "Alumni Chat List" >Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:23 PM >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] A plea from an alum > > >Attention pompous grammar nazis......chat is chat and that is that. > >This is an informal discussion and does not "hafta" be grammatically >perfect. You take yourself way too seriously. > >Sanctimonious grammar nazis..please give yourself and the rest of us a >break. Some of us are multitasking and have > >older eyes..... and don't have time to compose a perfect and stodgy >post. Lighten up. > >Duffy '77 > > >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > >_______________________________________________ >Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > >--===============0314441604== >Content-Type: message/rfc822 >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >From: "Steven Duffy" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: >To: everette.freeman@asurams.edu, wilburn22701@earthlink.net, > fredera@juniata.edu, teubanks@austinvoices.org, tganges@umflint.edu, > inafrank@adelphia.net, ncrow@penberg.com, ncrow1@msn.com, > alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:47:58 -0400 >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King >Message: 7 > > >----- Original Message ----- > > Friday, April 27, 2007 10:14:11 AM >Urgent Pulse >From: Dana Patterson >Subject: Happy Birthday Coretta Scott King >To: Pulse >Announcements > >Today would have been the 80th birthday of the late Coretta Scott King. >She left those of us at Antioch College a wonderful gift in her name and >her legacy through the CSKC for Cultural and Intellectual Freedom. As we >contemplate our many freedoms today, be mindful of those who dedicated >(and continue to do so) their lives to our collecti